The only thing besides attention that Van is seeking will be getting musicians to play with him at his home as there will be no venue , no tour , no insurance , nada . I think he is just trying to get attention/publicity to stroke his ego . I don't blame for wanting to perform as that's how artists ply there trade , but he is slightly touched in the brain as he is not grasping reality .

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Love Van’s music but this campaign seems a bit reckless and self serving - especially given the average age of his fans.

Well he can't force anyone to go. But still, shouldn't people have their own choice? Those that don't want to be at risk can still stay home.

Society typically doesn't work like that because we are all in on this thing together .

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How refreshing to see a famous person echo what many around the world feel. Good for him. I hope more come out and agree. Covid is way overblown by the panic porn media.

I'm on his side... and yours!

I hope God is on your side too. Science and reality is not.

- Doxa

I was a covid19 positive case, I guess he is on my side, seems like science & reality were too. As longglongwinter states, "overblown"!

No offense, but advice from someone who got the virus, likely by being unsafe in one form or another in the first place, is advice I'll respectfully decline.

This isn't unknown or overblown (ask the 180k+ people who have died in the US alone, or don't.. cause ya know, they're dead) at this point.
Large gatherings become super spreader events and people die. Period.

People always die, how many by the flu each year? We haven't shut down the world before. So we're to care about the ones now, but not the previous deaths?

I was a Covid-19 case. Unfortunately you seem to have escaped with only dementia. You didn't get a good enough case.

Insults instead of addressing the point. Typical...

Hi LeonidP, no insult but may I ask how old/young you are? We've had quite a few cases of strong, perfectly healthy people in their early 30s (two even younger), who .... died of Covid-19. So I wonder how many there were globally.
As far as I am concerned you are a very lucky SOAB, and you should express your thanks to the great Manitou. And .... be careful, because Covid-19 can strike twice and maybe Manitou doesn't have mercy then.
I look forward to reading more of your (positively tuned) mails.

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How refreshing to see a famous person echo what many around the world feel. Good for him. I hope more come out and agree. Covid is way overblown by the panic porn media.

I'm on his side... and yours!

I hope God is on your side too. Science and reality is not.

- Doxa

I was a covid19 positive case, I guess he is on my side, seems like science & reality were too. As longglongwinter states, "overblown"!

No offense, but advice from someone who got the virus, likely by being unsafe in one form or another in the first place, is advice I'll respectfully decline.

This isn't unknown or overblown (ask the 180k+ people who have died in the US alone, or don't.. cause ya know, they're dead) at this point.
Large gatherings become super spreader events and people die. Period.

People always die, how many by the flu each year? We haven't shut down the world before. So we're to care about the ones now, but not the previous deaths?

I was a Covid-19 case. Unfortunately you seem to have escaped with only dementia. You didn't get a good enough case.

Insults instead of addressing the point. Typical...

So, what's your point? Covid-19 is like the flu and 180,000 lives are not important? Or is it people should have the right to infect others because some people are selfish?

I don't actually believe you had Covid-19 and you are just trying to sh!t up.

Obviously not the point, try reading. More than that died from the "flu" over the past 4 years. Why didn't we lock everyone down before covid? ... that's the point. How many die from car crashes? We don't shut down driving. Lockdown affects much more than 180,000 lives, more like billions, of which we have no clue what this will do to the global economy and the future.

Some have a different opinion of yours when it comes to handling of this, no need to get angry over it. Furthermore it doesn't mean we are happy or ignorant that there have been a lot of deaths.



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I think it's admirable that he wants to play, while so many have given up. The reality is that if we give up the things we love, we will lose them.
People die from Covid, most often those who are old and sick, we can see that. But what some of us can already see is the future costs of lockdowns, fear campaigns, despair, surrender. It's already happening.
Van is a mystical man, I'm sure he recognizes that the future of live music is in doubt, along with community and solidarity and things like that.

I think the point of concern about COVID-19 is how contagious it is . Do you think it's fair if your beliefs are different than the global medical community ? and you just want to carry on as if it's like the typical flu ? For which there is a yearly vaccine . For which COVID-19 there is no known antibody yet . Seems like a big difference to me .

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How refreshing to see a famous person echo what many around the world feel. Good for him. I hope more come out and agree. Covid is way overblown by the panic porn media.

I'm on his side... and yours!

I hope God is on your side too. Science and reality is not.

- Doxa

I was a covid19 positive case, I guess he is on my side, seems like science & reality were too. As longglongwinter states, "overblown"!

No offense, but advice from someone who got the virus, likely by being unsafe in one form or another in the first place, is advice I'll respectfully decline.

This isn't unknown or overblown (ask the 180k+ people who have died in the US alone, or don't.. cause ya know, they're dead) at this point.
Large gatherings become super spreader events and people die. Period.

People always die, how many by the flu each year? We haven't shut down the world before. So we're to care about the ones now, but not the previous deaths?

I was a Covid-19 case. Unfortunately you seem to have escaped with only dementia. You didn't get a good enough case.

Insults instead of addressing the point. Typical...

So, what's your point? Covid-19 is like the flu and 180,000 lives are not important? Or is it people should have the right to infect others because some people are selfish?

I don't actually believe you had Covid-19 and you are just trying to sh!t up.

Obviously not the point, try reading. More than that died from the "flu" over the past 4 years. Why didn't we lock everyone down before covid? ... that's the point. How many die from car crashes? We don't shut down driving. Lockdown affects much more than 180,000 lives, more like billions, of which we have no clue what this will do to the global economy and the future.

Some have a different opinion of yours when it comes to handling of this, no need to get angry over it. Furthermore it doesn't mean we are happy or ignorant that there have been a lot of deaths.

Hi LeonidP, comparing results from a period of 6 months with a period of 4 years is not the way to convince anybody. One of the most severe flus ever after the one from 1918 (2017-2018) killed 60-65 thousand Americans over a period of a year. Now we're taking 180000+ in only 6 months (30000 per month) and the "show" will go on for a while, possibly 300000 over a period of one year, which is 5 times the number of the most severe flu of this Century. I don't think you would be happy if your landlord raises your rent from 500 to 3000 dollars a month in an instant (and that's only money).
Covid-19 is mutating (and they can't even rename it to Covid-20 to cover up) and there are people who have been cured from the "first" mutation and are meanwhile infected by a second mutation ... and this is just the beginning.
No opinion, simple facts
Get a beer, put on a Rolling Stones record (not one of Van Morrison ), relax and think it all over.

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I think the point of concern about COVID-19 is how contagious it is . Do you think it's fair if your beliefs are different than the global medical community ? and you just want to carry on as if it's like the typical flu ? For which there is a yearly vaccine . For which COVID-19 there is no known antibody yet . Seems like a big difference to me .

All good points. Still, despite the numbers, look at the total cases and it is easy to see that the vast majority have mild symptoms. Any new flu strain will not have a vaccine to cover it until it is discovered, and most take just as much time to figure out.

It is not a typical flu, no doubt, but I still agree w/ LongLongWhile, to us it is far overblown in the media and most are reacting to that sensationalism that has not been given to previous flu viruses.

The problem is, when will it end? Will there be a covid 20? 21? Are you prepared to live in isolation if we have another, for the next 5 years? Or now that they see the hype they got for this, its highly possible they will start to exaggerate any new flu strain and call for isolation because some have died.

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I think the point of concern about COVID-19 is how contagious it is . Do you think it's fair if your beliefs are different than the global medical community ? and you just want to carry on as if it's like the typical flu ? For which there is a yearly vaccine . For which COVID-19 there is no known antibody yet . Seems like a big difference to me .

All good points. Still, despite the numbers, look at the total cases and it is easy to see that the vast majority have mild symptoms. Any new flu strain will not have a vaccine to cover it until it is discovered, and most take just as much time to figure out.

It is not a typical flu, no doubt, but I still agree w/ LongLongWhile, to us it is far overblown in the media and most are reacting to that sensationalism that has not been given to previous flu viruses.

The problem is, when will it end? Will there be a covid 20? 21? Are you prepared to live in isolation if we have another, for the next 5 years? Or now that they see the hype they got for this, its highly possible they will start to exaggerate any new flu strain and call for isolation because some have died.

Are you prepared to die from it? Personally I am not and do not want friends, family and people I care about to die from it. People who dispute that whom I don't care about, well my concern is just not the same.

It is now the 3rd leading cause of death in the US behind cancer and heart disease. Let that sink in.

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I think the point of concern about COVID-19 is how contagious it is . Do you think it's fair if your beliefs are different than the global medical community ? and you just want to carry on as if it's like the typical flu ? For which there is a yearly vaccine . For which COVID-19 there is no known antibody yet . Seems like a big difference to me .

All good points. Still, despite the numbers, look at the total cases and it is easy to see that the vast majority have mild symptoms. Any new flu strain will not have a vaccine to cover it until it is discovered, and most take just as much time to figure out.

It is not a typical flu, no doubt, but I still agree w/ LongLongWhile, to us it is far overblown in the media and most are reacting to that sensationalism that has not been given to previous flu viruses.

The problem is, when will it end? Will there be a covid 20? 21? Are you prepared to live in isolation if we have another, for the next 5 years? Or now that they see the hype they got for this, its highly possible they will start to exaggerate any new flu strain and call for isolation because some have died.

You have a good point here, LeonidP, where it comes to sensationalism. Covid-19 is clearly a very serious problem, but the media (money, money, money) blow things out of proportion and are responsible for a lot of confusion and frustration, making many people sceptic. The latter is sad, though.
I remember an article of around 4 decades ago (yip, I am not that young), where, with very clear and reasonable explanation the greatest danger, apart from a large meteorite, for us humans would be that little creature called VIRUS.
So, will this be a problem for the next 5 years. I think you are too optimistic. This small creature will be a nightmare for us humans for a long time to come.
We have to find a way to live with this, no by disagreeing or fighting with eachother, but to use common sense keeping in mind that we're all on the same ship or else the ship will end up being a ghost ship (another song?).

Am I prepared to die from it is kind of a loaded question. But seeing that I go into hospitals, treatment centers and homeless shelters as part of my job, I guess that means yes I am.
I do it because it's my job and I believe the alternative -- to withhold services -- would cause more harm to people, not to mention the damage it would cause to my principals.
If what were doing is important, then we mask up and do it. Every man should be prepared to die anyway.
If Van believes that making music is that important, I respect him.
Sure, there are people who want to lock down, but to do that you are expecting others to take risks for you.

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Am I prepared to die from it is kind of a loaded question. But seeing that I go into hospitals, treatment centers and homeless shelters as part of my job, I guess that means yes I am.
I do it because it's my job and I believe the alternative -- to withhold services -- would cause more harm to people, not to mention the damage it would cause to my principals.
If what were doing is important, then we mask up and do it. Every man should be prepared to die anyway.
If Van believes that making music is that important, I respect him.
Sure, there are people who want to lock down, but to do that you are expecting others to take risks for you.

Honestly, I can respect your approach and know others who are front line workers doing jobs critical for society at large. I have zero respect or empathy for those who dismiss the epidemic as a "flu" and equate the two. You mask up, take precautions because your life depends on it. More often than not those who have the other viewpoint disregard precautions and have no concerns about spreading the virus to others since they do not believe it is real.

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Am I prepared to die from it is kind of a loaded question. But seeing that I go into hospitals, treatment centers and homeless shelters as part of my job, I guess that means yes I am.
I do it because it's my job and I believe the alternative -- to withhold services -- would cause more harm to people, not to mention the damage it would cause to my principals.
If what were doing is important, then we mask up and do it. Every man should be prepared to die anyway.
If Van believes that making music is that important, I respect him.
Sure, there are people who want to lock down, but to do that you are expecting others to take risks for you.

Honestly, I can respect your approach and know others who are front line workers doing jobs critical for society at large. I have zero respect or empathy for those who dismiss the epidemic as a "flu" and equate the two. You mask up, take precautions because your life depends on it. More often than not those who have the other viewpoint disregard precautions and have no concerns about spreading the virus to others since they do not believe it is real.

You're so far away from understanding what Van and others are saying, it may not be worth the effort but anyway ... because we believe this is far overblown does NOT mean we're dismissing it or saying don't be safe. But you can't shut down businesses, decisions such as letting Walmart stay open, and closing all mom/pop shops is so insane and nonsensical ... why can't people be as safe in other stores as in walmart. And to top it off, now that you basically put so many stores, restaurants etc. on the verge of bankruptcy, now you start giving out insane government payouts to make up for it! No one has a clue how this is going to affect things long term.

Again, you pick out the covid due to the sensationalism, but still, there are people dying of flu, car crashes, murder, and so on -- why did it take this to start living like Howard Hughes did? Why not stay inside the rest of your life?

Can those who seem to understand what Van says explain me what does he mean by "pseudoscience"? I do know the use of the term in certain contexts - such as some disciplines, the likes of, say, astrology, alchemy, ufology, traditional metaphysics, etc. not meeting the requirements of scientific research - but I can not relate that to Van's context. Does he mean that, say, medicine or epidemiology is 'pseudo-science'?!

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Sir Ivan is a very religious man. He believes in faith foremost. Which means he dismisses reason to a point. Listen to his, especially latter day, lyrics and you would understand.
In Sir Ivan's case I tend to overlook this agenda because he is such a great artist and poet. And great artists are sometimes flawed. Like the rest of us...



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Am I prepared to die from it is kind of a loaded question. But seeing that I go into hospitals, treatment centers and homeless shelters as part of my job, I guess that means yes I am.
I do it because it's my job and I believe the alternative -- to withhold services -- would cause more harm to people, not to mention the damage it would cause to my principals.
If what were doing is important, then we mask up and do it. Every man should be prepared to die anyway.
If Van believes that making music is that important, I respect him.
Sure, there are people who want to lock down, but to do that you are expecting others to take risks for you.

Honestly, I can respect your approach and know others who are front line workers doing jobs critical for society at large. I have zero respect or empathy for those who dismiss the epidemic as a "flu" and equate the two. You mask up, take precautions because your life depends on it. More often than not those who have the other viewpoint disregard precautions and have no concerns about spreading the virus to others since they do not believe it is real.

You're so far away from understanding what Van and others are saying, it may not be worth the effort but anyway ... because we believe this is far overblown does NOT mean we're dismissing it or saying don't be safe. But you can't shut down businesses, decisions such as letting Walmart stay open, and closing all mom/pop shops is so insane and nonsensical ... why can't people be as safe in other stores as in walmart. And to top it off, now that you basically put so many stores, restaurants etc. on the verge of bankruptcy, now you start giving out insane government payouts to make up for it! No one has a clue how this is going to affect things long term.

Again, you pick out the covid due to the sensationalism, but still, there are people dying of flu, car crashes, murder, and so on -- why did it take this to start living like Howard Hughes did? Why not stay inside the rest of your life?

I do not. Do you support drunk driving (which leads to car crashes), 17 year old vigilantes right to open carry and use assault weapons (which leads to murder) etc which represent a personal moral hazard that kills others. Your desire to do something stupid doesn't mean you can infect or kill me. Some people are just selfish.

The difference is allowing opening of things that are critical to society running and that present a lower risk and opening things that accelerate the spread and serve no essential purpose. Limited capacity at a big box store where masking is required is more important and less risky than packing people into a bar or concert hall with no precautions for concerts and sports. Don't get me wrong, I seriously miss the latter but public health is more important for the general public.



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Sir Ivan is a very religious man. He believes in faith foremost. Which means he dismisses reason to a point. Listen to his, especially latter day, lyrics and you would understand.
In Sir Ivan's case I tend to overlook this agenda because he is such a great artist and poet. And great artists are sometimes flawed. Like the rest of us...

Many doctors are people of faith--it doesn't mean dismissing reason and science. They can coexist quite happily.

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Sir Ivan is a very religious man. He believes in faith foremost. Which means he dismisses reason to a point. Listen to his, especially latter day, lyrics and you would understand.
In Sir Ivan's case I tend to overlook this agenda because he is such a great artist and poet. And great artists are sometimes flawed. Like the rest of us...

Many doctors are people of faith--it doesn't mean dismissing reason and science. They can coexist quite happily.

Sure, Aquamarine. In most cases, certainly. I'm not so sure about that in Sir Ivan's case though. But I have no problem with that. I understand where he's coming from.
He is a poet and a bard and should be given artistic freedom to express his thoughts and feelings. That doesn't stop me from enjoying his music and poetry.

Van Morrison has been knighted? (Isn't that what "Sir" means in this context?)

Man the bar has really dropped on that honor.

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Now dont knock old Van..can anybody else create something like this? Sublime.

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Is that a knighting or a beheading? And what is Bill Clinton looking at?

The executioner looks pretty distracted there.

Imagine Keef down on his knees like that. No wonder that didn't happen.

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Bill Clinton !!! .... i thought it was Chevy Chase .....



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Is that a knighting or a beheading? And what is Bill Clinton looking at?

The executioner looks pretty distracted there.

Imagine Keef down on his knees like that. No wonder that didn't happen.

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Is that a knighting or a beheading? And what is Bill Clinton looking at?

The executioner looks pretty distracted there.

Imagine Keef down on his knees like that. No wonder that didn't happen.

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Is that a knighting or a beheading? And what is Bill Clinton looking at?

The executioner looks pretty distracted there.

Imagine Keef down on his knees like that. No wonder that didn't happen.

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That's Prince Charles showing a damn big blade. Keef would be amazed...

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Sir Ivan is a very religious man. He believes in faith foremost. Which means he dismisses reason to a point. Listen to his, especially latter day, lyrics and you would understand.
In Sir Ivan's case I tend to overlook this agenda because he is such a great artist and poet. And great artists are sometimes flawed. Like the rest of us...

I think you mean 'Sir George Ivan'?