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banditpanda
Due Pierre de Beauport never answered and I'm still waiting like a decade later here is the question again,
I am strongly leaning towards changing my bridge plate and Saddles on my 5 string open G Tele to those as Keith has on Micawber. It will costs me a couple of bills to do so. In your opinion does the brass bridge plate on Micawber set it quite apparently apart tone wise from Keith's other Tele's which do not carry the brass.?
Thanks to all who care to chime in for like the 100th time/.
BP
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TheGreek
Oh Pierre is guarding state secrets and lest he get in dire straights with his employer . It would be nice if after all is said and done that Pierre writes a book or something and divulges all of the tone secrets/ingredients of an exhaustive and thorough examination of Keith's rig and instruments and set ups , from string gauge to gauge of picks to how Pierre sets up Keith's instruments and exactly what pickups are in each instrument . Including a thorough run down on the amps Keith has used during Pierre turn at the helm and how the amps are dialed in . What if any pedal(s) Keith has used . I mean everything on what and how Keith does it and why not right ? It's not like we would be able to play or sound like the Human Riffmaster would as only Keith can sound like Keith . I have to really compliment Keith on inventing his own unique style of playing that no one can copy . That's pretty cool
I have the Andy Bubiak book and it is good but , Pierre could fill in a lot of the blanks . The book is a reference guide like you would find in a library or an almanac . What I want to know are the personal specs and set ups and how the amps are dialed in and what if any coloring Keith uses regarding effects and such . More specific info . I do like the Stones gear book .Quote
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TheGreek
Oh Pierre is guarding state secrets and lest he get in dire straights with his employer . It would be nice if after all is said and done that Pierre writes a book or something and divulges all of the tone secrets/ingredients of an exhaustive and thorough examination of Keith's rig and instruments and set ups , from string gauge to gauge of picks to how Pierre sets up Keith's instruments and exactly what pickups are in each instrument . Including a thorough run down on the amps Keith has used during Pierre turn at the helm and how the amps are dialed in . What if any pedal(s) Keith has used . I mean everything on what and how Keith does it and why not right ? It's not like we would be able to play or sound like the Human Riffmaster would as only Keith can sound like Keith . I have to really compliment Keith on inventing his own unique style of playing that no one can copy . That's pretty cool
Almost all these thing have been published in various guitar magazines and books through the years Everything from amp setting through string gauges. The Stones Gear Book has great information. Nothings a secret anymore. As far as Pierre goes the guy is probably bombarded with requests and questions. He knows more about guitars and amps that Keith could ever wish for.
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banditpanda
Thanks to all for taking the time to comment again on this perhaps long forgotten and perhaps solved question.
I am going to get the modern Tele brass saddles (a la Micawber) and not spend the extra bucks on the brass plate.
I feel that the general consensus is that a brass bridge plate has at best a very subtle to negligible effect on the final tonal result.
Greetings , I never considered the fact about the wiring in "Micawber" ? The book is great with all of the color photos , which is nice and the author gives broad strokes on details and I want to say that it probably is more info than on the internet , but it's not the details all of us gear nerds want and need to fill in our blanks . For the non gear head the book is very informative and great . Get Pierre to dish and spill and divulge and then we have the real nitty gritty ! I would recommend that you get the book as it is a good reference guide with great photographs and I believe that is the best selling point of the book . I can't remember what it cost , and I know it was more bucks than a regular book , but it's well worth it .Quote
open-g
Well said, @TheGreek both posts.
I'd love to read what Pierre de Beauport has to say ...in his words, with some hardly kown secrets sprinkled in.
is it the Broadcaster wiring in “Micawber”?
I still don't have Andy Bubiak's Stones Gear Book but I'm under the impression that it's a blotting paper, that sucked up everything offered on the web. including IORR.
no personal opinion offerd and all written things must be taken as fact.
Did I board the wrong boat?
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banditpanda
Reply to: Posted by: RockingLonestar ()
Date: September 1, 2020 10:41
Respectfully, disagree. Don't want to start a sub text dialogue here though.
Obviously player technique is of utmost importance i.e. you have to know how to play in open G tuning, the chords have to be properly formed and strumming technique and timing are crucial.
It goes without saying that you need to know how to play guitar in the style of which we speak.
A majority of players will tell you that amp circuit and speaker type / configuration provides the end result voicing.
A large number of players will tell you that the pick ups, being the first responder, so to speak, will define the sound being amplified.
Less again will support maple fret boards over rosewood fret boards and Ash (Swamp) body woods over other types.
Player ability aside, the above ingredients put together a recipe for specific tonal qualities.
So, imo, to reproduce this voice : [youtu.be]
one has to assemble as many of the ingredients as one can.
If you can say that you can get that tone using Chinese guitar with Chinese pups running thru a Laney than more power to you.(I'm not saying your guits are Chinese)
I'm just having fun putting together a Keef/Micawber & bros. type recipe.
BP
p.s. I currently run a CIJ '52 RI Tele loaded with Bill Lawrence Micro-coils into a Marshall DSL 40H into 2x1x12" cabs holding WGS ET65 and WGS Retro 30 boosted with the Catalinbread SFT(original version) and a Scorpion compressor.
Sounds pretty darn good however I have en route brass bridge components and a 50's spec bridge pup just to see if I can get closer to the sound I hear. A Fender Champ or Pro Junior is also on the menu.
BP
We had an idiot on one of the other forums arguing with us that it's not the guitar , it's some replacement pickups and stomp pedals that can get you there . The individual was basically saying we were idiots for paying over a certain amount for a 6 string and that any overseas knock off can get you the desired results . I happen to agree with you that it is the sum or whole of the ingredients along with decent playing that gets you in the ball park . It's the guitar, the amp , any pedal that is called for on a specific song , and the playing . not that it is hard to play note for note , it's darn near impossible to get Keith's style /feel = his sound . It took me forever and a lifetime to get the sound , forget about me copying Keith's style , as I would easily be identified as a fraud as I am not Keith Richards -the human riffmaster . It sure is fun playing the songs and music and hearing it sound decently though , and at the end of the day the object is to please one's ear . That in a nutshell is my challenge !Quote
banditpanda
Reply to: Posted by: RockingLonestar ()
Date: September 1, 2020 10:41
Respectfully, disagree. Don't want to start a sub text dialogue here though.
Obviously player technique is of utmost importance i.e. you have to know how to play in open G tuning, the chords have to be properly formed and strumming technique and timing are crucial.
It goes without saying that you need to know how to play guitar in the style of which we speak.
A majority of players will tell you that amp circuit and speaker type / configuration provides the end result voicing.
A large number of players will tell you that the pick ups, being the first responder, so to speak, will define the sound being amplified.
Less again will support maple fret boards over rosewood fret boards and Ash (Swamp) body woods over other types.
Player ability aside, the above ingredients put together a recipe for specific tonal qualities.
So, imo, to reproduce this voice : [youtu.be]
one has to assemble as many of the ingredients as one can.
If you can say that you can get that tone using Chinese guitar with Chinese pups running thru a Laney than more power to you.(I'm not saying your guits are Chinese)
I'm just having fun putting together a Keef/Micawber & bros. type recipe.
BP
p.s. I currently run a CIJ '52 RI Tele loaded with Bill Lawrence Micro-coils into a Marshall DSL 40H into 2x1x12" cabs holding WGS ET65 and WGS Retro 30 boosted with the Catalinbread SFT(original version) and a Scorpion compressor.
Sounds pretty darn good however I have en route brass bridge components and a 50's spec bridge pup just to see if I can get closer to the sound I hear. A Fender Champ or Pro Junior is also on the menu.
BP
Can you give me a couple of examples of these Chinese made pickups , so I can check them out ?Quote
RockingLonestarQuote
banditpanda
Reply to: Posted by: RockingLonestar ()
Date: September 1, 2020 10:41
Respectfully, disagree. Don't want to start a sub text dialogue here though.
Obviously player technique is of utmost importance i.e. you have to know how to play in open G tuning, the chords have to be properly formed and strumming technique and timing are crucial.
It goes without saying that you need to know how to play guitar in the style of which we speak.
A majority of players will tell you that amp circuit and speaker type / configuration provides the end result voicing.
A large number of players will tell you that the pick ups, being the first responder, so to speak, will define the sound being amplified.
Less again will support maple fret boards over rosewood fret boards and Ash (Swamp) body woods over other types.
Player ability aside, the above ingredients put together a recipe for specific tonal qualities.
So, imo, to reproduce this voice : [youtu.be]
one has to assemble as many of the ingredients as one can.
If you can say that you can get that tone using Chinese guitar with Chinese pups running thru a Laney than more power to you.(I'm not saying your guits are Chinese)
I'm just having fun putting together a Keef/Micawber & bros. type recipe.
BP
p.s. I currently run a CIJ '52 RI Tele loaded with Bill Lawrence Micro-coils into a Marshall DSL 40H into 2x1x12" cabs holding WGS ET65 and WGS Retro 30 boosted with the Catalinbread SFT(original version) and a Scorpion compressor.
Sounds pretty darn good however I have en route brass bridge components and a 50's spec bridge pup just to see if I can get closer to the sound I hear. A Fender Champ or Pro Junior is also on the menu.
BP
There are many guitar players I know, who buy those chinese guitars just because of the chinese pickups. And then they put those chinese pickups in their american Fender and Gibson guitars.
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TheGreek
We had an idiot on one of the other forums arguing with us that it's not the guitar , it's some replacement pickups and stomp pedals that can get you there . The individual was basically saying we were idiots for paying over a certain amount for a 6 string and that any overseas knock off can get you the desired results . I happen to agree with you that it is the sum or whole of the ingredients along with decent playing that gets you in the ball park . It's the guitar, the amp , any pedal that is called for on a specific song , and the playing . not that it is hard to play note for note , it's darn near impossible to get Keith's style /feel = his sound . It took me forever and a lifetime to get the sound , forget about me copying Keith's style , as I would easily be identified as a fraud as I am not Keith Richards -the human riffmaster . It sure is fun playing the songs and music and hearing it sound decently though , and at the end of the day the object is to please one's ear . That in a nutshell is my challenge !
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TheGreek
We had an idiot on one of the other forums arguing with us that it's not the guitar , it's some replacement pickups and stomp pedals that can get you there . The individual was basically saying we were idiots for paying over a certain amount for a 6 string and that any overseas knock off can get you the desired results . I happen to agree with you that it is the sum or whole of the ingredients along with decent playing that gets you in the ball park . It's the guitar, the amp , any pedal that is called for on a specific song , and the playing . not that it is hard to play note for note , it's darn near impossible to get Keith's style /feel = his sound . It took me forever and a lifetime to get the sound , forget about me copying Keith's style , as I would easily be identified as a fraud as I am not Keith Richards -the human riffmaster . It sure is fun playing the songs and music and hearing it sound decently though , and at the end of the day the object is to please one's ear . That in a nutshell is my challenge !
Yes!
Do you have a thread or post on this Forum which describes how you are creating your sound?
BP
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banditpanda
Reply to: Posted by: RockingLonestar ()
Date: September 1, 2020 10:41
Respectfully, disagree. Don't want to start a sub text dialogue here though.
Obviously player technique is of utmost importance i.e. you have to know how to play in open G tuning, the chords have to be properly formed and strumming technique and timing are crucial.
It goes without saying that you need to know how to play guitar in the style of which we speak.
A majority of players will tell you that amp circuit and speaker type / configuration provides the end result voicing.
A large number of players will tell you that the pick ups, being the first responder, so to speak, will define the sound being amplified.
Less again will support maple fret boards over rosewood fret boards and Ash (Swamp) body woods over other types.
Player ability aside, the above ingredients put together a recipe for specific tonal qualities.
So, imo, to reproduce this voice : [youtu.be]
one has to assemble as many of the ingredients as one can.
If you can say that you can get that tone using Chinese guitar with Chinese pups running thru a Laney than more power to you.(I'm not saying your guits are Chinese)
I'm just having fun putting together a Keef/Micawber & bros. type recipe.
BP
p.s. I currently run a CIJ '52 RI Tele loaded with Bill Lawrence Micro-coils into a Marshall DSL 40H into 2x1x12" cabs holding WGS ET65 and WGS Retro 30 boosted with the Catalinbread SFT(original version) and a Scorpion compressor.
Sounds pretty darn good however I have en route brass bridge components and a 50's spec bridge pup just to see if I can get closer to the sound I hear. A Fender Champ or Pro Junior is also on the menu.
BP
There are many guitar players I know, who buy those chinese guitars just because of the chinese pickups. And then they put those chinese pickups in their american Fender and Gibson guitars.
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CooltopladyQuote
TheGreekCan you give me a couple of examples of these Chinese made pickups , so I can check them out ?Quote
RockingLonestarQuote
banditpanda
Reply to: Posted by: RockingLonestar ()
Date: September 1, 2020 10:41
Respectfully, disagree. Don't want to start a sub text dialogue here though.
Obviously player technique is of utmost importance i.e. you have to know how to play in open G tuning, the chords have to be properly formed and strumming technique and timing are crucial.
It goes without saying that you need to know how to play guitar in the style of which we speak.
A majority of players will tell you that amp circuit and speaker type / configuration provides the end result voicing.
A large number of players will tell you that the pick ups, being the first responder, so to speak, will define the sound being amplified.
Less again will support maple fret boards over rosewood fret boards and Ash (Swamp) body woods over other types.
Player ability aside, the above ingredients put together a recipe for specific tonal qualities.
So, imo, to reproduce this voice : [youtu.be]
one has to assemble as many of the ingredients as one can.
If you can say that you can get that tone using Chinese guitar with Chinese pups running thru a Laney than more power to you.(I'm not saying your guits are Chinese)
I'm just having fun putting together a Keef/Micawber & bros. type recipe.
BP
p.s. I currently run a CIJ '52 RI Tele loaded with Bill Lawrence Micro-coils into a Marshall DSL 40H into 2x1x12" cabs holding WGS ET65 and WGS Retro 30 boosted with the Catalinbread SFT(original version) and a Scorpion compressor.
Sounds pretty darn good however I have en route brass bridge components and a 50's spec bridge pup just to see if I can get closer to the sound I hear. A Fender Champ or Pro Junior is also on the menu.
BP
There are many guitar players I know, who buy those chinese guitars just because of the chinese pickups. And then they put those chinese pickups in their american Fender and Gibson guitars.
Aren't Chinese pickups junk? I haven't come across any that aren't monophonic.
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TheGreek
No I don't .
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TheGreekWe had an idiot on one of the other forums arguing with us that it's not the guitar , it's some replacement pickups and stomp pedals that can get you there . The individual was basically saying we were idiots for paying over a certain amount for a 6 string and that any overseas knock off can get you the desired results . I happen to agree with you that it is the sum or whole of the ingredients along with decent playing that gets you in the ball park . It's the guitar, the amp , any pedal that is called for on a specific song , and the playing . not that it is hard to play note for note , it's darn near impossible to get Keith's style /feel = his sound . It took me forever and a lifetime to get the sound , forget about me copying Keith's style , as I would easily be identified as a fraud as I am not Keith Richards -the human riffmaster . It sure is fun playing the songs and music and hearing it sound decently though , and at the end of the day the object is to please one's ear . That in a nutshell is my challenge !Quote
banditpanda
Reply to: Posted by: RockingLonestar ()
Date: September 1, 2020 10:41
Respectfully, disagree. Don't want to start a sub text dialogue here though.
Obviously player technique is of utmost importance i.e. you have to know how to play in open G tuning, the chords have to be properly formed and strumming technique and timing are crucial.
It goes without saying that you need to know how to play guitar in the style of which we speak.
A majority of players will tell you that amp circuit and speaker type / configuration provides the end result voicing.
A large number of players will tell you that the pick ups, being the first responder, so to speak, will define the sound being amplified.
Less again will support maple fret boards over rosewood fret boards and Ash (Swamp) body woods over other types.
Player ability aside, the above ingredients put together a recipe for specific tonal qualities.
So, imo, to reproduce this voice : [youtu.be]
one has to assemble as many of the ingredients as one can.
If you can say that you can get that tone using Chinese guitar with Chinese pups running thru a Laney than more power to you.(I'm not saying your guits are Chinese)
I'm just having fun putting together a Keef/Micawber & bros. type recipe.
BP
p.s. I currently run a CIJ '52 RI Tele loaded with Bill Lawrence Micro-coils into a Marshall DSL 40H into 2x1x12" cabs holding WGS ET65 and WGS Retro 30 boosted with the Catalinbread SFT(original version) and a Scorpion compressor.
Sounds pretty darn good however I have en route brass bridge components and a 50's spec bridge pup just to see if I can get closer to the sound I hear. A Fender Champ or Pro Junior is also on the menu.
BP
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banditpanda
Due Pierre de Beauport never answered and I'm still waiting like a decade later here is the question again,
I am strongly leaning towards changing my bridge plate and Saddles on my 5 string open G Tele to those as Keith has on Micawber. It will costs me a couple of bills to do so. In your opinion does the brass bridge plate on Micawber set it quite apparently apart tone wise from Keith's other Tele's which do not carry the brass.?
Thanks to all who care to chime in for like the 100th time/.
BP
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RockingLonestar
Best pickups for all of my teles is a set of Kluson Texas Blues.
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TheGreekCan you give me a couple of examples of these Chinese made pickups , so I can check them out ?Quote
RockingLonestarQuote
banditpanda
Reply to: Posted by: RockingLonestar ()
Date: September 1, 2020 10:41
Respectfully, disagree. Don't want to start a sub text dialogue here though.
Obviously player technique is of utmost importance i.e. you have to know how to play in open G tuning, the chords have to be properly formed and strumming technique and timing are crucial.
It goes without saying that you need to know how to play guitar in the style of which we speak.
A majority of players will tell you that amp circuit and speaker type / configuration provides the end result voicing.
A large number of players will tell you that the pick ups, being the first responder, so to speak, will define the sound being amplified.
Less again will support maple fret boards over rosewood fret boards and Ash (Swamp) body woods over other types.
Player ability aside, the above ingredients put together a recipe for specific tonal qualities.
So, imo, to reproduce this voice : [youtu.be]
one has to assemble as many of the ingredients as one can.
If you can say that you can get that tone using Chinese guitar with Chinese pups running thru a Laney than more power to you.(I'm not saying your guits are Chinese)
I'm just having fun putting together a Keef/Micawber & bros. type recipe.
BP
p.s. I currently run a CIJ '52 RI Tele loaded with Bill Lawrence Micro-coils into a Marshall DSL 40H into 2x1x12" cabs holding WGS ET65 and WGS Retro 30 boosted with the Catalinbread SFT(original version) and a Scorpion compressor.
Sounds pretty darn good however I have en route brass bridge components and a 50's spec bridge pup just to see if I can get closer to the sound I hear. A Fender Champ or Pro Junior is also on the menu.
BP
There are many guitar players I know, who buy those chinese guitars just because of the chinese pickups. And then they put those chinese pickups in their american Fender and Gibson guitars.
Aren't Chinese pickups junk? I haven't come across any that aren't monophonic.
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banditpanda
Yes!
Do you have a thread or post on this Forum which describes how you are creating your sound?BP
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TheGreek
No I don't .