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Led Zeppelin - Stairway To Heaven from How The West Was Won
From the old days of The Song Remains The Same soundtrack album, it has been no secret their live albums are products of Frankensteining. On this take of their rock uber-anthem, producer Jimmy Page went one step further. When the song starts, you hear the sweet sound of the Mellotron played by John Paul Jones, which he started to use on stage since the October tour of Japan 1972. ...Wait a minute, this album was recorded in California in June prior to Japan. From the song’s live debut in Spring 1971 till the end of the U.S. Summer tour 1972, it was played by Hammond and Fender Rhordes. What’s going on here..? Jimmy swapped the Hammond track with the Mellotron one from the recordings of Southampton Uni, January 22, 1973. I really love the sombre, melancholic timbre of the Hammond of the tune’s early live performances. I miss it. To begin with, when you already have the 1973 MSG version, what’s the point of releasing yet another Mellotron version?
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Cheap Trick At Budokan not only elevated the group to stardom but also made the Budokan world famous and one of the most celebrated, iconic rock venues of all. However, the bulk of this album is actually from the Koseinenkin Kaikan (a 2,400 seater), Osaka, April 27, 1978, the previous date to the Budokan shows (April 28 and 30). The story goes that the producer found the tapes recorded at the Budokan unusable for the most part for some technical reason therefore opted for the Osaka recording, supposedly prepared for the backup. It has been no secret from the day it was released, but my general impression is that both record company and journalists have deliberately avoided mentioning this fact as much as possible to this day, presumably to keep the prestige that is attached to the album and the venue. I have never come across a track-by-track recording credit (the date and the venue on each track) anywhere, even in an “in-depth” feature of the album in a music magazine. Ever.
Above is the comment I recently posted on the “Any Cheap Trick Fans Here?” thread, which has spurred me to create a new thread.
I’m sure many of you IORR’ians are aware of an existence of a certain live album of which credits — venue, location, recording date(s) etc — are partially or entirely altered for some reason or other, deliberately or by mistake. I’m no expert of The Rolling Stones’ recording details, but know of some of the Paris-credited portions of Love You Live being actually from Toronto, L.A. and London, for example. There is even a case that an album is promoted by adopting the well-known fake information like Bob Dylan’s Live 1966: The “Royal Albert Hall” Concert, exploiting the audio source’s long established status thanks to the famous bootleg with its false title when it was actually recorded at the Free Trade Hall, Manchester. Now, does anybody know another similar example of these sorts?
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I think in the case of the Dylan show, I read many years ago that someone who went to the Albert Hall simply and quite innocently wrote to Columbia about how much he had enjoyed the concert and asked if it would be possible to get a recording - and someone at the record company duly obliged! (this was in 1966 - three years before rock bootlegs were even thought of). However the recording that he received was Manchester so, assuming it was London 26/5/66 the show ended up being bootlegged as from that date in good faith until sometime around the 80s noted that the 'Judas' incident contained in the recording was actually from Manchester.
When Columbia released the show officially in 1998 as Bootleg Series Vol 4 they didnt actually pretend that it was from the RAH show, the subtitle 'The 'Royal Albert Hall' Concert' (note inverted commas around the name of the venue) merely acknowledged the original title, whilst the back cover of the album confirmed the correct source.
The reason LYL was all credited as Paris '76/Toronto '77 was for publishing / contractual reasons as the Stones were on a different distribution deal in 1975.
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Going at a slight tangent; one of the best ever 'off the cuff' live albums you'll ever hear is Slade Alive. Recorded over 2 nights with a raucous audience, great setlist of mainly covers and almost zero overdubs. One of my favourites.
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Rainbow - On Stage [Deluxe Edition]
The bonus disk of this 2CD edition, released in 2012, is credited in the leaflet as “Koseinenkin Kaikan, Osaka, Japan 9th December 1976”. It is actually the recording from the Budokan, Tokyo, December 16 (evening show) — the final performance of the group’s first Japan tour. It is highly regarded as the best show of the tour by many. Every one of the audience who was there agrees that it was a great, memorable show, one of Richie Blackmore’s finest moments in Japan ever. If so, why is such a superb concert given the other date in the credit? The original On Stage album contains a few tracks from the same Budokan show hence there are some duplications. Cover it up, guys...
[*To be fair, the presentations of the duplicated tracks, i.e. the mix, the edits etc, are quite different between the two disks — some fans couldn’t care less.]
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That Rainbow On Stage album is @#$%& incredible, no matter where it was recorded.
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That Rainbow On Stage album is @#$%& incredible, no matter where it was recorded.
I saw them on this tour, at the Kyoto Kaikan, December 10, 1976 — the one and only time I have caught Richie Blackmore in person to this day. I vividly remember Ronnie James Dio announced from the stage that Tommy Bolin had died, which utterly shocked the audience, the whole floor went speechless.
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That Rainbow On Stage album is @#$%& incredible, no matter where it was recorded.
I saw them on this tour, at the Kyoto Kaikan, December 10, 1976 — the one and only time I have caught Richie Blackmore in person to this day. I vividly remember Ronnie James Dio announced from the stage that Tommy Bolin had died, which utterly shocked the audience, the whole floor went speechless.
Thats amazing. Jesus. Yeah, they were all upset about Tommy Bolin, so tragic. Thats insane 1. that you got to see them, 2. that that happened, 3. again that you got to see that magnificent band.
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That Rainbow On Stage album is @#$%& incredible, no matter where it was recorded.
I saw them on this tour, at the Kyoto Kaikan, December 10, 1976 — the one and only time I have caught Richie Blackmore in person to this day. I vividly remember Ronnie James Dio announced from the stage that Tommy Bolin had died, which utterly shocked the audience, the whole floor went speechless.
Thats amazing. Jesus. Yeah, they were all upset about Tommy Bolin, so tragic. Thats insane 1. that you got to see them, 2. that that happened, 3. again that you got to see that magnificent band.
I’ve never been so keen on Deep Purple/Rainbow (can’t say I’m a fan of Blackmore), but, yeah, it is fair to say I was quite impressed by the show. Another thing I remember strongly is Cozy Powell’s drum solo, played over Tchaikovsky’s 1812 Overture. That was one hell of an earthshaker — “@#$%&’ monster,” I thought.
Forty-four years ago...where have all these times gone?
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Tommy Aldridge has been great since the Black Oak Arkansas days.
Arguably, the best musician in the band (Ricky Reynolds is great also).
Hell, Jim Dandy influenced both David Lee Roth and Axl Rose. I'd like to see those three in a fight! LOL
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well they could have said on the cover that it was Paris and London (76) and Toronto (77).
The only issues were (maybe someone can clarify the finer details) that their previous record company (Atlantic I think) owned the rights to their performances up to 1975, so the performances on the album from the 1975 Los Angeles (Sympathy) and Toronto shows (Fingerprint File & IORR) were deliberately miscredited.
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Gazza
well they could have said on the cover that it was Paris and London (76) and Toronto (77).
The only issues were (maybe someone can clarify the finer details) that their previous record company (Atlantic I think) owned the rights to their performances up to 1975, so the performances on the album from the 1975 Los Angeles (Sympathy) and Toronto shows (Fingerprint File & IORR) were deliberately miscredited.
Yes this is a result of their infamous divorce from ABKO.
There was a clause preventing them to publish live rerecording made until 1975 of material originally recorded for Decca. But radio and TV broadcasting of live event was not covered by this clause.
By 2011 this clause was obviously revised (newly negotiated or expired?) as Brussels Affair was published, and in 2015 the 1971 Marquee TV show.
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Gazza
well they could have said on the cover that it was Paris and London (76) and Toronto (77).
The only issues were (maybe someone can clarify the finer details) that their previous record company (Atlantic I think) owned the rights to their performances up to 1975, so the performances on the album from the 1975 Los Angeles (Sympathy) and Toronto shows (Fingerprint File & IORR) were deliberately miscredited.
Yes this is a result of their infamous divorce from ABKO.
There was a clause preventing them to publish live rerecording made until 1975 of material originally recorded for Decca. But radio and TV broadcasting of live event was not covered by this clause.
By 2011 this clause was obviously revised (newly negotiated or expired?) as Brussels Affair was published, and in 2015 the 1971 Marquee TV show.