>> Does anyone know if Ronnie ever uses 5-string guitars? <<

there is a 5-string diskfront Zemaitis - there are shots of it in the Zemaitis thread: [www.iorr.org]
but i reckon that one in the background you're talking about is probably Keith's, no?
since it's next to his other ones ... [peering hard:] there's another Zemaitis behind Keith, isn't there -
a six-string one, ergo one of Ronnie's.

>> Is there a pic of the # 3 [Tele] around too? <<

this article here says "Tele #3" is the 67 sunburst: [www.oldkr.co.uk]
as for the "Micawber-alikes": there are three in a row in the shot of part of Keith's Licks guitar rack on an earlier page in this thread:


- 2002 or 2003, courtesy of Mathijs (don't know who took it, sorry!)

so which one is the "real Micawber" and which are the "stand-ins"?
and: is the one right next to the Strat an example of this "whiter blond" effect that appeared starting in mid-54?

"Blond body finish has a more whitish look than the earlier "butterscotch" finish.
In reality, the body finish was probably applied no differently, but the type of clear lacquer used to clearcoat
does not yellow as much. This gives mid-1954 and later Teles a more whitish blond look, instead of butterscotch.
Because of the more whitish look, a distinct "halo" can be seen around the edge of the body
that is less translucent (this halo was present on the earlier butterscotch finishes,
but it was far less noticable). The halo was used to hide the side grain of multi-piece bodies,
because Fender could easily match the face grain, but it was difficult to match the side grain."

that quote's from that good old vintage guitar site: [www.provide.net]



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and since this fine thread has wandered into the realm of Keith's Main Telecasters,
do any of you kind patient learned & goodlookin Guitar Connoisseurs feel like deconfusing me?
i keep finding conflicting information about which of them are alder and which are ash,
and about which of those woods is heavier and which has the prettier grain.
and while we're at it: what year was Keith's Tele #2 (aka Malcolm) made? i know (or think i know!)
that it's a 50s model, but what year? please and thank you and have some popcorn ...

with sssoul,

Thanks for your update of Ratbag Boogie thread.

Did you have photo with this 52? red tele?
Did he use this for Hail Hail Rock N Roll show?

Toru-A, Keith used the black Custom Tele at the Hail Hail Rock & Roll gig.
i don't recall ever seeing any shots of Keith with the one you've posted here -
can i ask where you found out that it's his? have some popcorn.



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In the current Guitar Legends magazine, Keith says Micawber is a 53 and Malcolm is a 54.

>> Keith says Micawber is a 53 and Malcolm is a 54. <<

thanks Elmo - now isn't that interesting, since most sources say Micawber's a 52.
i haven't seen that magazine yet, but i understand Keith also says in it that one of them is quite lightweight
and the other is quite heavy, and i can't decide which i think he means (if it's indeed those two he means).
on another thread Mathijs said that Fender was using only ash until late 56, but i gather that some varieties of ash
are considerably heavier than others, so maybe that's the difference? have some popcorn.

Re: Micawber - Keith says, "I think that's the heavy one".

Please remember our boy sometimes gets confused/drunk/stoned though.

smile: thanks Elmo, i am cognizant of that! :E
but Micawber somehow looks heavier to me, so that would suit me fine.

with sssoul Wrote:
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> Toru-A, Keith used the black Custom Tele at the
> Hail Hail Rock & Roll gig.
> i don't recall ever seeing any shots of Keith with
> the one you've posted here -
> can i ask where you found out that it's his? have
> some popcorn.

Caption of this photo is saying that red tele was a standby guitar for HHR&R gig.



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>> Caption of this photo is saying that red tele was a standby guitar for HHR&R gig. <<

interesting - i don't have the new re-release of Hail Hail, but i'm 99.99% sure that red one
doesn't show up in the original version of the film, at least not in Keith's hands.
can i ask what source you found the photo & caption in?



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with sssoul Wrote:
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> interesting - i don't have the new re-release of
> Hail Hail, but i'm 99% sure that red one
> doesn't show up in the original version of the
> film, at least not in Keith's hands.
> can i ask what source you found the photo &
> caption in?

from this. sorry, it's Japanese only.
[www.amazon.co.jp]

interesting

>> do you know anything about the yellow and/or cream-Tele w/white pickguard and rosewood fretboard <<

this article that Rockman kindly posted sometime somewhere talks about it -
it seems it's a 59 model. the article's from a 1986 Guitar World:

I am going to add photos that was also taken by Koh Hasebe in this thread in association with
Dynamic Sound session. Let me know if it is inappropriate to upload this.
Mr. Hasebe was belonged to a music magazine at which Keith was looking.
That was a December 1972 issue. Cover was Marc Bolan.
Charlie was holding a Japanese hand drum Tsuzumi.



This is a complete picture of Koh Hasebe that I uploaded before.
Is this Cry Baby in the lower left-hand corner in front of the bag?

wow - thank you Toru-A!

x



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Cool flares keith!

ps: yes that's a crybaby.



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>> so which one is the "real Micawber" and which are the "stand-ins"? <<

all right, i think i've figured it out - thanks for the excellent trail of clues, Open-G!
and for the brilliant close-up as well - that is one hard-workin guitar


- 2005 by Kevin Mazur, courtesy of Open-G



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From this close-up, with sssoul, I'd say Keith's 5-string Tele nut is modified.

gwen Wrote:
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> From this close-up, with sssoul, I'd say Keith's
> 5-string Tele nut is modified.

Yes that's what they say in all the descriptions of K's 5-stringers, but does that mean that you also have to put the Pickups a bit higher accordingly ???

And what's the use of this modification? To prevent the high strings from going over the edge of the neck when bending?

JustinCaseBandDK Wrote:

> with sssoul> Is that pic from the JJ Flash-video
> with Aretha Franklin,I remember seeing Keith
> playing that Tele capoed in 2th fret in this clip?





Big T

I´ve noticed that in the Olympia 2003-dvd,Keith uses an Tele with a single-coil pick-up in the neck-positionfor Hand Of Fate,and he use the same Telecaster for HTW on BtB-dvd from St.Louis 1997 - is that a lesser-known Tele from the Riffmaster´s collection?

Big T



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The nut on keith's five string Tele's is slotted differently...but only to take advantage of the extra room on the fretboard to space the strings more comfortably.
The nut slots aren't moved enough to make much difference toaligment at the other end of the fretboard...so no moving around of anything else is required. [Fender necks can be easily be aligned to a useful degree simply by loosening the screws and giving the neck a nudge or a thump in the desired direction before retightening ;^) ]

Sorry people, I have stated this many times, and now again: I do not see that the nut on Keith's five string Tele's are spaced any different than on any normal six string Tele. On the large picture you see a standard nut, a standard bridge and the strings running over the respective slugs of the pickup. From the nut to the tuning peg the lines are straight, and the strings run over the position markers as you would expect (note the missing 17th fret marker). A difference between vintage and modern guitars are the position markers on the 12th fret: modern guitars have the two dots spaced closer together (spaced withing the A en B strings) while vintage guitars have the markers UNDERNEATH the A and B strings (thus at a wider distance). This is the case here as well, and the strings run over the markers as you would normally expect. Thus, throughout the entire length of the strings, all strings are spaced like any normal, standard six string guitar.

Also, it would be very awkward to play an Tele with a different spacing tyhan normal: you would need time to adjust everytime you play it, and that would be very strange if you play this guitar just two or three songs per concert.

Mathijs

JustinCaseBandDK Wrote:
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> I´ve noticed that in the Olympia 2003-dvd,Keith
> uses an Tele with a single-coil pick-up in the
> neck-positionfor Hand Of Fate,and he use the same
> Telecaster for HTW on BtB-dvd from St.Louis 1997 -
> is that a lesser-known Tele from the Riffmaster´s
> collection?

I noticed that guitar when I was in the Olympia as well, and at that time I thought it really looked like Jagger's tele, the one he uses for Don't Stop for example. It looked like a modern Tele, not a vintage one.

Mathijs

I agree on that, Mathijs - the big picture shows a standard nut quite clearly, imo.

But also, I do remember an interview where a technichian talks about ajusted nuts on Keith's Telecasters.
Maybe they gave it a try, but backed off later on.
The Ted Newman-Jones guitars did have ajusted nuts, didn't they, and the Teles followed around the "Exile" time.
so maybe thats where the confusion is coming from?

Hello all,
Just wanted to add a few bits. I do believe that Alan Rogan said that Keith's Rosewood Telecaster was a Fender neck but it was a Schecter body, And as far as the regular Blonde Telecaster, he was using that on Voodoo Lounge wasn't he? For Brown Sugar and Start Me Up I believe. Anymore info?

The only 'modification' that I see on the nut, is that the groove for the low E string seems to be missing.

The nut slots are only spaced a "gnats" differently.
I don't think you'd even notice without a careful close up inspection from the right angle. String spacing at the nut can feel a little tight with many typical Fender necks...the extra room just lets you space them a fraction more generously.
I'd occasionally wondered about it until it was mentioned in an interview with Pierre in Guitar Player a number of years ago.

2000 Light Years from Home promo shoot 1967


Mick at home 1967

Appears it's the same guitar, and that Keith got it in 1966. Saw use during the Satanic Majesties period, I believe Keith used it on We Love You.



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