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[www.rollingstone.com]

Plus...Slash in Tattoo You t-shirt....go Slash!

A year is a long time, and things will hopefully get better by then (w/vaccine, etc.) but still seems a bit soon to commit to a massive stadium tour w/multiple shows....
Maybe it will turn in to a Drive In Tour?

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I would definitely NOT book anything until a therapy is available and it'll be ages until we get vax..

I'm personally writing off the next 18 months and i'll reassess during 2021, but i'm seriously planning for a 5 year disruption.

I think one off PPV's in Countries that are COVID Free, could be a source of revenue.

Scenario: All the band brings is, the members, sound engineer, instruments and Amps, Personal Mgmt & thats it.

Venue provides everything else, staging, lights, rig & Local Film crew.

Band and Co, arrive on private flight and are bubbled from touchdown to liftoff.

The crowd are COVID Free the only potential containment is the Band... So therefore the bubble, but they'd be tested prior to departure, on arrival (by PPE wearing Med Staff).

People are mad keen for something Live with an audience



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Sounds like a science fiction/horror movie, but that's the reality we're living in until this virus is neutralized some how....

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This shall not happen.

Part of rescheduling to 2021 has to do with securing the venues.

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Part of rescheduling to 2021 has to do with securing the venues.

right – doing US shows next summer is highly unlikely

Think the belly will be bigger!!??

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Part of rescheduling to 2021 has to do with securing the venues.

right – doing US shows next summer is highly unlikely

Correct. But still we might see a similar rescheduling by the Stones, too - if for nothing else but to keep the venues under contract. It doesn't mean any actual shows will happen, given the situation with the psndemic in the US.

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Part of rescheduling to 2021 has to do with securing the venues.

right – doing US shows next summer is highly unlikely

Correct. But still we might see a similar rescheduling by the Stones, too - if for nothing else but to keep the venues under contract. It doesn't mean any actual shows will happen, given the situation with the psndemic in the US.

another reason might be that they might hope that fans who already bought tickets keep them instead of demanding a refund

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Sounds like a science fiction/horror movie, but that's the reality we're living in until this virus is neutralized some how....

It's a big fuss about nothing, today we hear that in Britain 1 in 14 have had covid 19, get the calculator out, 70 million Britons divided by 14 = 5 million. Divide the 46 thousand deaths by 5 million who have had the virus, gives you a death rate of 0.0092

Perhaps this will nudge the Stones to put some 2021 dates out there. It may or may not happen but at least we can discuss it for the next several months.

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Sounds like a science fiction/horror movie, but that's the reality we're living in until this virus is neutralized some how....

It's a big fuss about nothing, today we hear that in Britain 1 in 14 have had covid 19, get the calculator out, 70 million Britons divided by 14 = 5 million. Divide the 46 thousand deaths by 5 million who have had the virus, gives you a death rate of 0.0092

Absolutely. We have to learn to live with the virus. We cannot wait for a vaccine.

As face-masks are to be worn when safely socially-distancing isn’t possible, couldn’t concerts start-up again? Couldn’t there just be a strict face-covering policy?

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As face-masks are to be worn when safely socially-distancing isn’t possible, couldn’t concerts start-up again? Couldn’t there just be a strict face-covering policy?

Presicely, if we are told face masks stop the spread of the virus then surely to do as you suggest makes perfect sence, but as we know the way Covid 19 has been dealt with has nothing to do with facts.

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As face-masks are to be worn when safely socially-distancing isn’t possible, couldn’t concerts start-up again? Couldn’t there just be a strict face-covering policy?

Presicely, if we are told face masks stop the spread of the virus then surely to do as you suggest makes perfect sence, but as we know the way Covid 19 has been dealt with has nothing to do with facts.

The insurance companies won't touch stadium tours by the likes of G&R, the Stones etc unfortunately and you can't blame them. It's just too big a risk. And the Stones already had relatively expensive insurance anyway because of Ronnie & Mick's recent scares.

The best we can hope for is small venue more informal gigs returning at some stage, with limited capacity, social distancing and masks required by the audience. The big key is the universal availability of a reliable vaccine, which hopefully will come.

I think Axl is in the high risk range with his obesity, plus Slash and Duff's past history with heavy duty substance abuse might put them in the high risk category also.
Aside from that, seriously doubt any insurance company will be willing to take the risk considering all of the variables and uncertainties.

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I think Axl is in the high risk range with his obesity, plus Slash and Duff's past history with heavy duty substance abuse might put them in the high risk category also.
Aside from that, seriously doubt any insurance company will be willing to take the risk considering all of the variables and uncertainties.

Let's all just roll over and give in because the government tell us too.

Just do a few gigs at a time, I'm sure the Stones are rich enough to refund a few concerts if needs be, how many shows have they sold out in a lifetime, I'm sure that they can take a chance on doing some modest venues next year before it's too late for them, if they want to of course.



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I think Axl is in the high risk range with his obesity, plus Slash and Duff's past history with heavy duty substance abuse might put them in the high risk category also.
Aside from that, seriously doubt any insurance company will be willing to take the risk considering all of the variables and uncertainties.

Let's all just roll over and give in because the government tell us too.

Just do a few gigs at a time, I'm sure the Stones are rich enough to refund a few concerts if needs be, how many shows have they sold out in a lifetime, I'm sure that can take a chance on doing some modest venues next year before it's too late for them, if they want to of course.

They are in their late 70s and very much in the vulnerable group. There's not a snowball's chance in hell they'll do any kind of tour without insurance and risk a big loss. They've performed well over 1,000 shows in their lives and though they clearly enjoy it, they won't do any more until they feel safe. They owe us nothing. Everything since 2012 has been an unexpected big bonus. I've seen 23 shows since 2012 and I only saw 15 up to 2007.

One concert promoter recently said that professional sports will set the standard as to how to go forward, and once they have numerous fans in attendance in massive settings successfully, only then will large concert gatherings be considered.

That said, Major League Baseball has recently resumed (without fans in attendance), yet at least one team has been bombarded with coronavirus even with all of the precuations set in place.

19 Marlins have tested positive for COVID-19 as MLB investigates team’s past behavior

If professional sports are to set the standard, doesn't look like it's off to a good start...at least as far as professional baseball goes. The *NBA started last night in a "bubble" ( NBA Bubble 2020 ) which might work,
but then there's the upcoming NFL season which by most accounts might be a recipe for disaster for a variety of reasons - it's a close contact sport, teams playing in their own stadiums, the traveling involved, etc., etc., etc..

*While the "bubble" concept might work for the NBA, obviously this doesn't apply to any sort of rock and roll "tour".

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One concert promoter recently said that professional sports will set the standard as to how to go forward, and once they have numerous fans in attendance in massive settings successfully, only then will large concert gatherings be considered.

That said, Major League Baseball has recently resumed (without fans in attendance), yet at least one team has been bombarded with coronavirus even with all of the precuations set in place.

19 Marlins have tested positive for COVID-19 as MLB investigates team’s past behavior

If professional sports are to set the standard, doesn't look like it's off to a good start...at least as far as professional baseball goes. The *NBA started last night in a "bubble" ( NBA Bubble 2020 ) which might work,
but then there's the upcoming NFL season which by most accounts might be a recipe for disaster for a variety of reasons - it's a close contact sport, teams playing in their own stadiums, the traveling involved, etc., etc., etc..

*While the "bubble" concept might work for the NBA, obviously this doesn't apply to any sort of rock and roll "tour".

They're doing the same over here with our Football ('Soccer'). Also a contact sport and without an audience present. The players and coaching staff are all regularly tested.

You're referring to the NBA "bubble" I assume...hopefully not what the Marlins/MLB are doing, or what the NFL plans to do....

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The insurance companies won't touch stadium tours by the likes of G&R, the Stones etc unfortunately and you can't blame them. It's just too big a risk...

GNR just rescheduled 2020 to 2021 (that's the subject of this very thread) so somebody probably did insure them.

(The Stones may well be another matter.)



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The insurance companies won't touch stadium tours by the likes of G&R, the Stones etc unfortunately and you can't blame them. It's just too big a risk...

GNR just rescheduled 2020 to 2021 (that's the subject of this very thread) so somebody probably did insure them.

(The Stones may well be another matter.)

Exactly and good luck to them, we should be praising Guns & Roses, they probably woke up to the realisation that cases of covid doesn't correlate with deaths.

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As face-masks are to be worn when safely socially-distancing isn’t possible, couldn’t concerts start-up again? Couldn’t there just be a strict face-covering policy?

Presicely, if we are told face masks stop the spread of the virus then surely to do as you suggest makes perfect sence, but as we know the way Covid 19 has been dealt with has nothing to do with facts.

The insurance companies won't touch stadium tours by the likes of G&R, the Stones etc unfortunately and you can't blame them. It's just too big a risk. And the Stones already had relatively expensive insurance anyway because of Ronnie & Mick's recent scares.

The best we can hope for is small venue more informal gigs returning at some stage, with limited capacity, social distancing and masks required by the audience. The big key is the universal availability of a reliable vaccine, which hopefully will come.

I don't think the current situation had any major impact on insurance companies. Eventhough the cancelled tours are surely insurance events, the custommers are actually usually doomed to pay all the costs... there are new laws in many countries to secure that - the promoters don't return any money. Don't worry about the insurance companies, they are fine and will have their usual earnings... Well, I guess you might be right about the "future tours" of course.

Anyway - just today a new Pearl Jam show was going on sale here (about to happen in July 2021). Normally I would try to get a ticket and normally the tickets would be sold out in about 1/2 an hour. I am not even thinking about buying a ticket and my guess is that about 15% of tickets were sold today. Still a lot I think, but very different from what would nomally happen. But after my experiences with cancelled concerts I am not giving any money to any concert promoter... at least for quite some time



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ZZ Top just cancelled the rest of their upcoming 2020 tour dates - was just a matter of time....

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Sounds like a science fiction/horror movie, but that's the reality we're living in until this virus is neutralized some how....

It's a big fuss about nothing, today we hear that in Britain 1 in 14 have had covid 19, get the calculator out, 70 million Britons divided by 14 = 5 million. Divide the 46 thousand deaths by 5 million who have had the virus, gives you a death rate of 0.0092

This is the new math. 46,000 deaths = nothing. Certainly nothing worth the inconvenience of a mask, right?

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Sounds like a science fiction/horror movie, but that's the reality we're living in until this virus is neutralized some how....

It's a big fuss about nothing, today we hear that in Britain 1 in 14 have had covid 19, get the calculator out, 70 million Britons divided by 14 = 5 million. Divide the 46 thousand deaths by 5 million who have had the virus, gives you a death rate of 0.0092

This is the new math. 46,000 deaths = nothing. Certainly nothing worth the inconvenience of a mask, right?

Nothing was mentioned about not wearing a face-covering. If we can get back to normal, though be it, wearing a covering, then that’d be a comfortable temporary scenario for me.

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Sounds like a science fiction/horror movie, but that's the reality we're living in until this virus is neutralized some how....

It's a big fuss about nothing, today we hear that in Britain 1 in 14 have had covid 19, get the calculator out, 70 million Britons divided by 14 = 5 million. Divide the 46 thousand deaths by 5 million who have had the virus, gives you a death rate of 0.0092

This is the new math. 46,000 deaths = nothing. Certainly nothing worth the inconvenience of a mask, right?

Absolutely it's not nothing, and as you know full well, that 46000 figure is officially 29000,( no record of normal flu deaths ) but 29000 is still high, but with lockdown lifted and the summer season packed with holiday makers the death toll in many busy towns for instance is zero right now.
The point i make is that the virus is very weak at this stage and if you are unfortunate enough to test positive you have a 0.0092 chance of dying from it.
I would suggest that a young healthy individual will be ok to attend a concert next year with a good face mask.
I would also say that it would be a risky move for an elderly person or a sick person to attend a show as statistics are obviously blanket based and the elderly are in a much more vulnerable situation.



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