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The entire live music business is on its arse for years I'm afraid.

yup...which is why artists/venues etc. etc. BETTER start getting creative.

Drive In Shows are one way to do that....

The Stones don't need the money, so it doesn't matter to them at all...

I know, but these drive in shows and 30 people in a theatre, it looks so sad to me. Besides, musicians can hardly make a living this way.

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>>WHAT if everyone rushes the stage in their cars .....<<

Horrible scenario, but can easily be avoided by hiring some traffic policemen with them noisy whistles and old-fashioned british black policehats

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They have not performed their last live show yet. The next show is the best show, we just have to wait a bit to see them, and we probably have to travel a bit.

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>>WHAT if everyone rushes the stage in their cars .....<<

Horrible scenario, but can easily be avoided by hiring some traffic policemen with them noisy whistles and old-fashioned british black policehats


Hey better idea ... Stones and audience are all in Dodgem cars .....

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>>WHAT if everyone rushes the stage in their cars .....<<

Horrible scenario, but can easily be avoided by hiring some traffic policemen with them noisy whistles and old-fashioned british black policehats

I know where they can do such a show. Altamont Speedway

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BEcause of their age I would rather think NO !

I tend to agree with you, they will however continue as long as Mick is able to perform, in light of his heart condition it would be best for Mick to slow down now and take it easy, for the guitarists it's completely different, they can play for as long as they live, as long as they can stand up, another 10 years is possible, but it's a completely different workout for the singer and drummer and I'm sure Mick and Charlie are about to call time on live tours.

Mick's heart condition was fixed. He's fine. Charlie... he's gotta be getting exhausted now. It would seem at some point very soon someone will have osteoporosis and won't be able to continue. If Charlie gets it it's over. Keith... he's already so damaged, what's a little more? It's very very unlikely they'll really do a 60 And Counting kind of thing. More like 60 And Done.

IF they get to play live again - at this point it seems very likely that there will be music in 2021 in Europe. I really don't see the Stones coming back to the US. But one never knows - with the NFL etc getting going things may be figured out. Who knows.

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>>WHAT if everyone rushes the stage in their cars .....<<

Horrible scenario, but can easily be avoided by hiring some traffic policemen with them noisy whistles and old-fashioned british black policehats

I know where they can do such a show. Altamont Speedway

We also have a suitable field in Europe, space enough for plenty of vehicles, Kursk

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Until real Tours are possible again, they could (if circumstances permitting) do a Club-Show like Fonda 2015, play some Rarities, film it and release it on DVD/BR/Digital ....

Well, doing indoors shows is not very wise. It's more safe or rather less unsafe to do outdoor shows in venues like Waldbühne in Berlin where social distancing is possible and the rest gets blown away by the wind

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>>WHAT if everyone rushes the stage in their cars .....<<

Horrible scenario, but can easily be avoided by hiring some traffic policemen with them noisy whistles and old-fashioned british black policehats

I know where they can do such a show. Altamont Speedway

We also have a suitable field in Europe, space enough for plenty of vehicles, Kursk

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Not sure if this article from last week has been posted anywhere yet (if so apologies), but this touring exec doesn't sound too optimistic about any shows for quite some time.
And while the article seems US focused, seems there's some relevance for everywhere.

Don’t Expect to See Concerts Before 2022, Top Touring Exec Marc Geiger Says

2022

Marc Geiger, until recently the head of music at WME, and one of the founders of Lollapalooza, sounds like he’s not expecting to be attending any festivals in 2021.

Asked on “The Bob Lefsetz Podcast” when he expects concerts to return, Geiger said, “My guess is late ‘21, more likely ‘22.” And he told Lefsetz that the problem of insurance going forward is “a biggie” when it comes to reasons for that long a delay, although “there are probably 20.”

The music exec elaborated: “Look, the whole thing is a sh*t show… Whether it’s testing or it’s the government, it’s too infinite of a well to go down. But in my humble opinion, it’s going to be ‘22. It’s going to take that long before what I call the ‘germaphobia economy’ to be slowly killed off and be replaced by what I call the ‘claustrophobia economy,’ which is where everybody wants to go out and go back to dinner and have their life and go to festivals and go to shows. And my instinct is that’s just going to take a while because as you can see, these super-spreader events — sports, shows, festivals, anything, the classroom — ain’t going to do too well while the virus is this present.

“So my instinct is the world has a very long, forced timeout,” Geiger continued. “A lot of people see the positives in it, whether it’s climate, whether it’s pollution, whether it’s traffic, whether it’s nature, whether it’s animals, whether it’s our own beings and taking a pause. And I know it’s frustrating, maddening and economically destructive. But aahhh — this is bigger than us, and if you study history things like this have happened in history and been super-disruptive to normal society. So here’s a biggie for our lifetime.”

When Lefsetz, the industry blogger and podcaster, brought up the question of insurance, Geiger indicated having policies available for the future is a long way off for most promoters.

“There is no insurance against Covid currently offered… and even normal insurance policies are pretty scarce and hard to come by,” said Geiger. “The insurers are sitting on the sideline because there’s infinite liability. … ‘Hey I got Covid,’ this and that – how do you prove it, etc.? I think the biggest companies can maybe self-insure, and they can start. Everybody else has to wait till the insurance industry feels good. So that’s one of many, many roadblocks in the way of restarting this vibrant economy that got shut down. So there’s probably 20 (reasons)… Insurance is a biggie. And I don’t know when that comes back, either.”

When Lefsetz asked if drive-in concerts were a model for the future or gimmick, Geiger answered the latter. Asked to elaborate, he sighed and said, “Do I have to? Why is it a gimmick? Capacity is very small by the time you actually put the cars in. Pricing, with a disconnected experience, is high. The audio I don’t think can be very good yet in the car, but hey. These are temporary stopgap solutions… Garth did a very interesting thing basically as a pay-per-view right to other drive-ins… I think there’s a feeling that during what I call the germinology economy that almost anything (is appealing) if it’s the first time to get out of the house. So for me, it’s not really a great experience, to be honest. And the economics are broken, so let’s get real. People are doing things to do them, not to make a living, right?”

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Not sure if this article from last week has been posted anywhere yet (if so apologies), but this touring exec doesn't sound too optimistic about any shows for quite some time.
And while the article seems US focused, seems there's some relevance for everywhere.

Don’t Expect to See Concerts Before 2022, Top Touring Exec Marc Geiger Says

2022
I get exactly what you are saying , but the profit margin would be small and for the Stones probably not worth it as they have such a massive machine/apparatus and production . Due to the insurance I tend to think it will be 2022 before anything could happen and then age will be a factor as well . Not trying to be a bummer/naysayer as I have been proven wrong before and will probably be again . This is all speculative at this point until a vaccine happens .
Marc Geiger, until recently the head of music at WME, and one of the founders of Lollapalooza, sounds like he’s not expecting to be attending any festivals in 2021.

Asked on “The Bob Lefsetz Podcast” when he expects concerts to return, Geiger said, “My guess is late ‘21, more likely ‘22.” And he told Lefsetz that the problem of insurance going forward is “a biggie” when it comes to reasons for that long a delay, although “there are probably 20.”

The music exec elaborated: “Look, the whole thing is a sh*t show… Whether it’s testing or it’s the government, it’s too infinite of a well to go down. But in my humble opinion, it’s going to be ‘22. It’s going to take that long before what I call the ‘germaphobia economy’ to be slowly killed off and be replaced by what I call the ‘claustrophobia economy,’ which is where everybody wants to go out and go back to dinner and have their life and go to festivals and go to shows. And my instinct is that’s just going to take a while because as you can see, these super-spreader events — sports, shows, festivals, anything, the classroom — ain’t going to do too well while the virus is this present.

“So my instinct is the world has a very long, forced timeout,” Geiger continued. “A lot of people see the positives in it, whether it’s climate, whether it’s pollution, whether it’s traffic, whether it’s nature, whether it’s animals, whether it’s our own beings and taking a pause. And I know it’s frustrating, maddening and economically destructive. But aahhh — this is bigger than us, and if you study history things like this have happened in history and been super-disruptive to normal society. So here’s a biggie for our lifetime.”

When Lefsetz, the industry blogger and podcaster, brought up the question of insurance, Geiger indicated having policies available for the future is a long way off for most promoters.

“There is no insurance against Covid currently offered… and even normal insurance policies are pretty scarce and hard to come by,” said Geiger. “The insurers are sitting on the sideline because there’s infinite liability. … ‘Hey I got Covid,’ this and that – how do you prove it, etc.? I think the biggest companies can maybe self-insure, and they can start. Everybody else has to wait till the insurance industry feels good. So that’s one of many, many roadblocks in the way of restarting this vibrant economy that got shut down. So there’s probably 20 (reasons)… Insurance is a biggie. And I don’t know when that comes back, either.”

When Lefsetz asked if drive-in concerts were a model for the future or gimmick, Geiger answered the latter. Asked to elaborate, he sighed and said, “Do I have to? Why is it a gimmick? Capacity is very small by the time you actually put the cars in. Pricing, with a disconnected experience, is high. The audio I don’t think can be very good yet in the car, but hey. These are temporary stopgap solutions… Garth did a very interesting thing basically as a pay-per-view right to other drive-ins… I think there’s a feeling that during what I call the germinology economy that almost anything (is appealing) if it’s the first time to get out of the house. So for me, it’s not really a great experience, to be honest. And the economics are broken, so let’s get real. People are doing things to do them, not to make a living, right?”

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Hi Hairball, I saw the article at the time. I find it hard to disagree with anything he says. He sounds like a reasonable bloke with his head bolted on properly. Large scale stadium tours by the likes of the Stones, U2, Macca and Bon Jovi are probably off for a couple of years for insurance reasons alone. The insurance companies won't touch a tour of that nature unfortunately and you can't blame them. It's just too big a risk. And the Stones already had relatively expensive insurance anyway because of Ronnie & Mick's recent scares.

I can see small venue more informal gigs returning, with limited capacity and masks required by the audience. The big key is a reliable vaccine.

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I can see small venue more informal gigs returning, with limited capacity and masks required by the audience.