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Toru A
They produce more color hues than can ever been heard.
It may be stereotypical but I love Made In The Shade on SHM CD.
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DandelionPowderman
What is "FP"?
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ironbelly
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SHM - is material. Something special and different from polycarbonate that is used for regular CDs. It is advertised that SHM material allows lower number of errors and stands aging better. I.e. better quality media.Quote
timbernardis
What is the connection between SHM and SACD?
For the Abkco catalog, is there anything better sounding than the 2002 SACD releases?
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timbernardis
For the Abkco catalog, is there anything better sounding than the 2002 SACD releases?
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ironbelly
SHM-SACD is a marketing trick for audiophiles.
UIGY-9000 series from 2011-2012 are original editions/transfers in SACD format (flat transfers). However, the discs (unlike ABKCO 2002 SACD-hybrid editions) were single layer. I.e. these discs have HD layer only, not compatible with regular CD players.Quote
lamemodem2
What about the UIGY-9000 series of SHM releases in 2011 and 2012? Are those flat transfers as well? The liner notes on the ones I have say "DSD transferred from analogue master tapes by Mick McKenna and Richard Whittaker at the FX Copyroom, 2011." They don't say "flat transferred from UK original analogue master tapes" like the platinum liner notes.
I also have a mini-LP release of Emotional Rescue from Japan that is TOCP-66457. Any ideas on that that's about? I think it's from 2005.
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ironbelly
UIGY-9000 series from 2011-2012 are original editions/transfers in SACD format (flat transfers). However, the discs (unlike ABKCO 2002 SACD-hybrid editions) were single layer. I.e. these discs have HD layer only, not compatible with regular CD players.
Later, SACD/DSD transfer was downsampled to regular reddbook format and re-issued that way. I gave the list above. I believe "UK original analogue master tapes" was a marketing trick. The initial DSD transfer was the same.
TOCP-66457 is re-issue of VJCP-25117 (1994). It came with so called Virgin mastering made by Bob Ludwig. Actually, all Rolling Stones Records era albums re-issued between 1994 and 2005 contain the very same A/D transfer and were mastered by Bob Ludwig.
Would you kindly clarify what particular edition of 'Through the Past Darkly' on Japanese SHM CD you are talking about? Is it UICY-79023 (2019) with UK track list? If yes, you are talking about different mastering, not the one that was used in 2002. Most probably, initial A/D DSD transfer was the same (2002) but remastering was done in 2019 (according to cdjapan advertising page). Unless they made new transfer and remaster in Japan for this edition.Quote
24FPS
I tried to compare SACD/DSD Stones cuts against the SHM-CDs, but it doesn't work. You can't download the SHM songs and get the same experience when you transfer it to a burned DVD. That polycarbonate results doesn't transfer. I'll have to simply put one CD in, listen to it, take it out, put in the other CD.
I can't imagine 'Sittin' On a Fence' sounding any better than it does on SHM. I remember an audible hiss on the 2002 SACD remaster version. And 'Honky Tonk Women' is clean, compared to the version I remember from Hot Rocks.
I would not call Japanese SHM-SACD and two SHM-CD editions obscure. They were well known and documented. Those were Japanese-only releases. A usual business for our boys to make extra cash.Quote
jbwelda
But to reissue it in "correct" form on an obscure issue seems pretty weird.
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Yes. But not all of them. Only those that originated from 2011 DSD flat transfer from original master tapes by Mike McKenna and Richard Whittaker at the FX Copyroom.Quote
floodonthepage
The SHM-CD "It's Only Rock n Roll" also has a longer "Time Waits for No One" (no fade out) I believe?
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ironbellyYes. But not all of them. Only those that originated from 2011 DSD flat transfer from original master tapes by Mike McKenna and Richard Whittaker at the FX Copyroom.Quote
floodonthepage
The SHM-CD "It's Only Rock n Roll" also has a longer "Time Waits for No One" (no fade out) I believe?
There are SHM-CD editions of "It's Only Rock n Roll" with regular brickwalled 2009 UM remaster.
BTW, discogs is less than helpful in the matter of identification because the guys who fill the form on the discogs just copy-paste from one release to another. One should be extremely careful purchasing those countless UICY editions. Some of them are not good.
UM 2009 remaster has regular speed-up version of FF and TWFNO with fade. Brickwalled to DR6. I have no pleasurable explanation why they re-issued this remaster on SHM-CD.Quote
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ironbellyYes. But not all of them. Only those that originated from 2011 DSD flat transfer from original master tapes by Mike McKenna and Richard Whittaker at the FX Copyroom.Quote
floodonthepage
The SHM-CD "It's Only Rock n Roll" also has a longer "Time Waits for No One" (no fade out) I believe?
There are SHM-CD editions of "It's Only Rock n Roll" with regular brickwalled 2009 UM remaster.
BTW, discogs is less than helpful in the matter of identification because the guys who fill the form on the discogs just copy-paste from one release to another. One should be extremely careful purchasing those countless UICY editions. Some of them are not good.
Yikes! Mine indeed has the no fade TWFNO, as well as the slower Fingerprint File of course...and very elaborate packaging. I bought it straight from Japan. I feel like I want to wear gloves when opening it/playing it as it's so nice! Anyway, it seems it is truly the 2011 flat transfer, it sounds like. Do you know if the '09 SHM-CD/UM remasters still have the slowed Fingerprint File?
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jbwelda
Obscure. Like when it takes two paragraphs to explain and pinpoint "good" versions versus "bad" versions of the same release. Thats pretty obscure to me, and incredibly tangled.
But thanks for the info, it is very interesting. I may try to untangle it enough to get my hands on the good version of IORR for these two rarities. At 35$ or more a disk, though, I want to be pretty certain what it is I am buying.
These do play on a regular CD machine, right? Or do you need a dedicated player?
Finally, is Rolling Stones Now available as a significant upgrade to the original Decca LP or the 70s Japanese LPs? If so, how does it sound? That is one of their early albums I always thought sounded exceptional.
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