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It was generally accepted at the time that this album was a disappointment.

That hadn't really been the case before.

SG adopted a fresh punk style to most of those rockers. A revitalised band. But they weren't pretending at ages 35-42 to be punks (RW a bit younger).

But in those two you mention Jagger is adopting the persona of a cockney lad who hangs around with the boys in bars etc and it's not convincing. And they riffs or whatever aren't that great.

Sham 69 were a real band of poorish boys who sang pretty rough and ready and had a great piano Strength too - c.f. Ian Stewart.

'We're Going Down the Pub' is a good one. You can hear where Jagger got his ideas from.

So the Stones even ripped off on of their cover designs?!

Yeah, the reviewers were over the moon with GHS and Black And Blue

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I've made various playlists, called them Shattered or Snarl or Shadooby, it's a bit era focused, and generally consists of these songs and it's a fun context.

Shattered
Hang Fire
Summer Romance
Lies
Neighbours
She's So Cold
Everything Is Turning To Gold
Tie Me Up
Dance
Miss You
Emotional Rescue
Too Much Blood
Send It To Me
If I Was A Dancer
Pretty Beat Up
Some Girls
Crazy Mama
Where The Boys Go
All The Way Down
Hey Negrita
Little T&A
She Was Hot
I Think I'm Going Mad
Beast Of Burden
Feel On Baby
All About You

some great tunes there. a mid-career renaissance.

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It was generally accepted at the time that this album was a disappointment.

That hadn't really been the case before.

SG adopted a fresh punk style to most of those rockers. A revitalised band. But they weren't pretending at ages 35-42 to be punks (RW a bit younger).

But in those two you mention Jagger is adopting the persona of a cockney lad who hangs around with the boys in bars etc and it's not convincing. And they riffs or whatever aren't that great.

Sham 69 were a real band of poorish boys who sang pretty rough and ready and had a great piano Strength too - c.f. Ian Stewart.

'We're Going Down the Pub' is a good one. You can hear where Jagger got his ideas from.

So the Stones even ripped off on of their cover designs?!

Yeah, the reviewers were over the moon with GHS and Black And Blue

Black and Blue got very mixed reviews (UK) - some very positive others not so. It totally split opinions.

Goats. Head Soup was very well received and got album of the year in New Musical Express.

I can't speak for Norway or other European cou tries. I didn't t read their papers

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It was generally accepted at the time that this album was a disappointment.

That hadn't really been the case before.

SG adopted a fresh punk style to most of those rockers. A revitalised band. But they weren't pretending at ages 35-42 to be punks (RW a bit younger).

But in those two you mention Jagger is adopting the persona of a cockney lad who hangs around with the boys in bars etc and it's not convincing. And they riffs or whatever aren't that great.

Sham 69 were a real band of poorish boys who sang pretty rough and ready and had a great piano Strength too - c.f. Ian Stewart.

'We're Going Down the Pub' is a good one. You can hear where Jagger got his ideas from.

So the Stones even ripped off on of their cover designs?!

Yeah, the reviewers were over the moon with GHS and Black And Blue

Black and Blue got very mixed reviews (UK) - some very positive others not so. It totally split opinions.

Goats. Head Soup was very well received and got album of the year in New Musical Express.

I can't speak for Norway or other European cou tries. I didn't t read their papers

It's easy to find American and British reviews of GHS and BAB from back then that were both lackluster and downright poor. ER got both great and poor reviews when it came out.

It's no secret that the reviwers were disappointed when GHS came out?

Let's quote Lester Bangs:

"There is a sadness about the Stones now, because they amount to such an enormous ‘So what?’ The sadness comes when you measure not just one album, but the whole sense they’re putting across now against what they once meant…” Exile to this isn’t quite the equivalent of jumping off of a cliff, but there is a marked drop-off in quality"

Well I disagree with Bangs.

GHS oozes quality. As we are also about to realize from it's deluxe version, and as we already know from all it's quality outtakes which would go on to form such an integral part of Tattoo You.

If they are sad and meaningless on GHS then that's the case on all their post-exile work.

Bangs, like Charles Shaar Murray already had a personal agenda, I think.

Will have more time next week to discuss.

Boa noite.

Bangs didnt even think much of Exile
until most likely some guy tapped him on the
shoulder and said ... Hey man your lost ... You dont know what your missing .....



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Perhaps instead of a deluxe GOATS HEAD SOUP release they could've gotten done one for this album, there's only a TON of tracks leftover (of course, no way to know the accuracy of any of this):

1978

26th August - 6th September: Los Angeles, RCA Studios. Producers: The Glimmer
Twins & Chris Kimsey. Sound engineers: Chris Kimsey, Alex Vertikoff. Additional
musicians: Ian McLagan (p, org)/Jim Keltner (perc; August 26)/Bobby Keys (sax;


Elvis Cover, found on SoundCloud: - One Night (Dave Bartholomew/Pearl King) -August 26

One Night - The Rolling Stones '78 "demo instrumental", RCA LA,CA. ELVIS COVER.

Great Jam!



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You know, I have to admit: I HATED this album when I first heard it, but ER has really grown on me. "Dance" and "All About You" have always been favorites, but "Let Me Go" is right up there with "I'm Moving On," "Dancing With Mr. D," "Almost Hear You Sigh," and "Jump On Top Of Me" as the all-time great obscure Stones gems. It took me a while to get "She's So Cold," but now I love it: a true classic exciting Stones groove song. "Send it To Me" is another great one. And last but not least--and if you told me this before 2012, I'd have thought you were crazy--but since they started playing "ER" live, it's become a song I love listening too. One of those Stones songs that has to be done live in order to realize what a good song it is.

I still think there are some cringe-worthy moments ("Indian Girl," "Where The Boys Go," and "Summer Romance" should have been replaced with "Claudine," "Do You Think I Care," and "Tallahassee Lasse,") but other than those examples, it's an album I've come to love and appreciate.

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You know, I have to admit: I HATED this album when I first heard it, but ER has really grown on me. "Dance" and "All About You" have always been favorites, but "Let Me Go" is right up there with "I'm Moving On," "Dancing With Mr. D," "Almost Hear You Sigh," and "Jump On Top Of Me" as the all-time great obscure Stones gems. It took me a while to get "She's So Cold," but now I love it: a true classic exciting Stones groove song. "Send it To Me" is another great one. And last but not least--and if you told me this before 2012, I'd have thought you were crazy--but since they started playing "ER" live, it's become a song I love listening too. One of those Stones songs that has to be done live in order to realize what a good song it is.

Have you listened to the unedited take of ER? It's good. It makes sense why they edited it where they did for the LP version.






There's also an unedited Send It To Me. I used to think that song was pretty stupid but I've grown to like it. Musically it's awesome. Lyrically it's stupid but then once I got over that now I find it very amusing.






Dande put this edit mix on...






Here's an unedited pre-overdub of She's So Cold. Listen to the LP version on headphones and pay attention to the guitars - some just appear, others disappear. It reveals the genius of paying attention to detail in the mix.

The Stones takes on reggae are always kind of lame, but i think Send It To Me works pretty well.

Whats the running time for it on the LP? What i really mean is how much was edited out and where? Its been forever since i listened to this song or this LP for that matter.

jb

For years I didn't have Black and Blue in my collection. 4 of the 8 songs I considered great, the other 4 throwaways. Over time I've learned to enjoy it, especially with some of the dross that came afterward. It is classic Stones. Emotional Rescue is one of those albums I don't possess, or care to listen to. There are a few songs on it that are great, but they're available on the 2002 Greatest Hits package. Maybe it's time to go back and give it a spin.

I think you should. Down In the Hole and All About You have never made it on to any Greatest Hits, but for me, are two of the best songs they've ever recorded....

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The Stones takes on reggae are always kind of lame, but i think Send It To Me works pretty well.

Whats the running time for it on the LP? What i really mean is how much was edited out and where? Its been forever since i listened to this song or this LP for that matter.

jb

Uh... I'm not sure at the moment as to what was edited where. The LP version is 3:43.

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For years I didn't have Black and Blue in my collection. 4 of the 8 songs I considered great, the other 4 throwaways. Over time I've learned to enjoy it, especially with some of the dross that came afterward. It is classic Stones. Emotional Rescue is one of those albums I don't possess, or care to listen to. There are a few songs on it that are great, but they're available on the 2002 Greatest Hits package. Maybe it's time to go back and give it a spin.

They're all worth having, really, even, as awful as it is, DIRTY WORK. I do listen to it occasionally just to kind of "check in" and see if anything's changed in my mind.

With ER I enjoy the whole album - even Indian Girl.

Just as with STICKY FINGERS, and to a lesser extent BLACK AND BLUE and SOME GIRLS, ER is an album that can have a playlist that includes officially released songs like Neighbours and Heaven that were recorded for ER as a 'just because' super deluxe kind of track list. I listen to that once in a while. I generally stick to the LP as is, although I've made a playlist that includes If I Was A Dancer and I Think I'm Going Mad as the only extra tracks.

Q: Is there any new/old material on this release or it is just remastered and repackaged for the purpose of promoting the 40 year old anniversary?

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Q: Is there any new/old material on this release or it is just remastered and repackaged for the purpose of promoting the 40 year old anniversary?

What release.

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Q: Is there any new/old material on this release or it is just remastered and repackaged for the purpose of promoting the 40 year old anniversary?

Are you talking about EMOTIONAL RESCUE?

There's nothing new about it. The remaster is the same rurnt one Stefffffan Marcussen did in 2009 or whenever it was a destroyed everything.


GOATS HEAD SOUP is supposedly getting a revamp...

Thanks Rockman, I knew I had or had heard that long version before, one of the best tracks from Accidents May Happen. They really did trim it down for actual release; something like that screams to me for a 12" single with a dub mix on the B side.

My problem remains I could never get past the title track or Indian Girl. But I should really get out my LP and give it a spin. Thats what I like about this forum.


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Q: Is there any new/old material on this release or it is just remastered and repackaged for the purpose of promoting the 40 year old anniversary?

What release.

ER. I was just wondering if there was anything "new" about it, otherwise there is no reason for me to buy it. Sometimes they add 1 or 2 new tracks just so we buy it again.

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Q: Is there any new/old material on this release or it is just remastered and repackaged for the purpose of promoting the 40 year old anniversary?

What release.

ER. I was just wondering if there was anything "new" about it, otherwise there is no reason for me to buy it. Sometimes they add 1 or 2 new tracks just so we buy it again.

Only remastered.

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You know, I have to admit: I HATED this album when I first heard it, but ER has really grown on me. "Dance" and "All About You" have always been favorites, but "Let Me Go" is right up there with "I'm Moving On," "Dancing With Mr. D," "Almost Hear You Sigh," and "Jump On Top Of Me" as the all-time great obscure Stones gems. It took me a while to get "She's So Cold," but now I love it: a true classic exciting Stones groove song. "Send it To Me" is another great one. And last but not least--and if you told me this before 2012, I'd have thought you were crazy--but since they started playing "ER" live, it's become a song I love listening too. One of those Stones songs that has to be done live in order to realize what a good song it is.

Have you listened to the unedited take of ER? It's good. It makes sense why they edited it where they did for the LP version.






There's also an unedited Send It To Me. I used to think that song was pretty stupid but I've grown to like it. Musically it's awesome. Lyrically it's stupid but then once I got over that now I find it very amusing.






Dande put this edit mix on...






Here's an unedited pre-overdub of She's So Cold. Listen to the LP version on headphones and pay attention to the guitars - some just appear, others disappear. It reveals the genius of paying attention to detail in the mix.

Thanks GasLightStreet! No, I hadn't heard these versions of the title track before. Although the mix in the official release is smoother, I love the stronger guitar presence in these two mixes.

And yes I feel the same way about "Send It To Me." No one is going to compare this song with "Sympathy for the Devil" or "Gimme Shelter," but there isn't any reason to. It's just a fun song with great music.

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Q: Is there any new/old material on this release or it is just remastered and repackaged for the purpose of promoting the 40 year old anniversary?

What release.

ER. I was just wondering if there was anything "new" about it, otherwise there is no reason for me to buy it. Sometimes they add 1 or 2 new tracks just so we buy it again.

Only remastered.

And not a new remaster, just the newest remaster, 2009.

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You know, I have to admit: I HATED this album when I first heard it, but ER has really grown on me. "Dance" and "All About You" have always been favorites, but "Let Me Go" is right up there with "I'm Moving On," "Dancing With Mr. D," "Almost Hear You Sigh," and "Jump On Top Of Me" as the all-time great obscure Stones gems. It took me a while to get "She's So Cold," but now I love it: a true classic exciting Stones groove song. "Send it To Me" is another great one. And last but not least--and if you told me this before 2012, I'd have thought you were crazy--but since they started playing "ER" live, it's become a song I love listening too. One of those Stones songs that has to be done live in order to realize what a good song it is.

Have you listened to the unedited take of ER? It's good. It makes sense why they edited it where they did for the LP version.






There's also an unedited Send It To Me. I used to think that song was pretty stupid but I've grown to like it. Musically it's awesome. Lyrically it's stupid but then once I got over that now I find it very amusing.






Dande put this edit mix on...






Here's an unedited pre-overdub of She's So Cold. Listen to the LP version on headphones and pay attention to the guitars - some just appear, others disappear. It reveals the genius of paying attention to detail in the mix.

Thanks GasLightStreet! No, I hadn't heard these versions of the title track before. Although the mix in the official release is smoother, I love the stronger guitar presence in these two mixes.

And yes I feel the same way about "Send It To Me." No one is going to compare this song with "Sympathy for the Devil" or "Gimme Shelter," but there isn't any reason to. It's just a fun song with great music.

HA HA! That's how I feel about quite a few of their songs post-1973... especially most of ER and U.

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Q: Is there any new/old material on this release or it is just remastered and repackaged for the purpose of promoting the 40 year old anniversary?

What release.

ER. I was just wondering if there was anything "new" about it, otherwise there is no reason for me to buy it. Sometimes they add 1 or 2 new tracks just so we buy it again.

Only remastered.

And not a new remaster, just the newest remaster, 2009.

Half-speed remaster. That was later than 2009, no?

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Q: Is there any new/old material on this release or it is just remastered and repackaged for the purpose of promoting the 40 year old anniversary?

What release.

ER. I was just wondering if there was anything "new" about it, otherwise there is no reason for me to buy it. Sometimes they add 1 or 2 new tracks just so we buy it again.

Only remastered.

And not a new remaster, just the newest remaster, 2009.

Half-speed remaster. That was later than 2009, no?

Oh. I dunno.

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Q: Is there any new/old material on this release or it is just remastered and repackaged for the purpose of promoting the 40 year old anniversary?

What release.

ER. I was just wondering if there was anything "new" about it, otherwise there is no reason for me to buy it. Sometimes they add 1 or 2 new tracks just so we buy it again.

Only remastered.

And not a new remaster, just the newest remaster, 2009.

Half-speed remaster. That was later than 2009, no?

Oh. I dunno.

Check out the very first post in this thread

More info here: [theseconddisc.com]

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I think you should. Down In the Hole and All About You have never made it on to any Greatest Hits, but for me, are two of the best songs they've ever recorded....

Definitely