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Then again, much of what I said above about Gallagher could also be said about Mick Taylor when he was on his own. So I would not totally rule out that it could have worked with the Stones around.
BS. Comparing Mick Taylor’s albums to his? Not even close. Taylor touches on way more styles and his first album is one of the best Stones solo efforts there is.
That's not what I said and did. Please read again. My quote is probably a bit unfair to Rory, because his career wasn't the desaster that Taylor's solo career turned into. I just suggested that like the Stones brought out the best in Taylor, it's not unthinkable that they also could have brought out the best in Rory.
I’m saying Taylor moved outside of the “workman style blues” boundaries when he went solo.
“Lacks soul, emotion, imagination, and restraint.” I personally, and certainly many others, don’t feel that way about Taylor. With the Stones or solo.
I suppose that’s why they’re opinions.
Of course these are all opinions.
“Lacks soul, emotion, imagination, and restraint.” I obviously meant his solo work for the large part, not his work with the Stones. I went to many solo gigs and all in all felt that there was not any development whatsover over the years, that he was basically playing the same stuff all the time.
I doubt that Taylor will be remembered for 20 minute aimless rambling on stuff like "Goin' South" - just to mention one extreme.
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I think MT showed his talent with writing Slow Blues, Giddy Up and Spanish A Minor
I think his two studio records were fantastic and he wasted his talent all those years after the stones and just collaborated with other artists to get by. I do not think Jeff Beck could of wrote a better blues composition then Slow Blues or a better tonal fushion masterpiece like Spanish A Minor. Just my opinion
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I think MT showed his talent with writing Slow Blues, Giddy Up and Spanish A Minor
I think his two studio records were fantastic and he wasted his talent all those years after the stones and just collaborated with other artists to get by. I do not think Jeff Beck could of wrote a better blues composition then Slow Blues or a better tonal fushion masterpiece like Spanish A Minor. Just my opinion
I love that Mick T solo album and indeed Spanish A Minor is fantastic. However the fact he released it without bothering coming up with a replacement for its working title says a lot to me about why his solo career never took off.
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I think MT showed his talent with writing Slow Blues, Giddy Up and Spanish A Minor
I think his two studio records were fantastic and he wasted his talent all those years after the stones and just collaborated with other artists to get by. I do not think Jeff Beck could of wrote a better blues composition then Slow Blues or a better tonal fushion masterpiece like Spanish A Minor. Just my opinion
I love that Mick T solo album and indeed Spanish A Minor is fantastic. However the fact he released it without bothering coming up with a replacement for its working title says a lot to me about why his solo career never took off.
Meh, didn’t hurt Led Zeppelin. I think the problem was he didn’t tour for it. Had Columbia (I think) funded a tour for him, it might have done better.
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>They probably did it not because they believed in the music,
Not to state the obvious, but its called the music "business" for a reason. No record company does it because "they believed in the music". Its entirely naïve to even think that. Its all about return on the dollar invested. They are a company and want to see a profit on any product they release.
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Taylor’ssolo music is niche music It was never going to bring big album sales.If he wanted that,he should have stayed with the Stones.He easily could have done his solo stuff on the side and remained in the band .Why he left was perhaps the biggest career move mistake in rock history next to Pete Best pissing off John Lennon.
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>They probably did it not because they believed in the music,
Not to state the obvious, but its called the music "business" for a reason. No record company does it because "they believed in the music". Its entirely naïve to even think that. Its all about return on the dollar invested. They are a company and want to see a profit on any product they release.
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With your wisdom I ask myself why record companies ever signed new and unknown artists and employed A&R managers at all.
They may like the music they put out or not, but that's not the point. They put out music they think could sell - for whatever reason.
What I meant was that in Taylor's case, it was most likely not a case of believing that the actual music being perfect for the actual market back then, but a case of name-dropping only. I seriously doubt that the very same album by an unknown artist would have raised Columbia's interest.
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Taylor’ssolo music is niche music It was never going to bring big album sales.If he wanted that,he should have stayed with the Stones.He easily could have done his solo stuff on the side and remained in the band .Why he left was perhaps the biggest career move mistake in rock history next to Pete Best pissing off John Lennon.
I have said it before and I'll say it again if he is still alive because he left then it is not a mistake.
In addition, if he was unhappy with the situation why stay? Life is too short for that.
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Is that obvious? IMO, they were writing songs for SF, GHS and IORR that both gave Taylor more space and a different musical platform for him to express himself.
That made his decision to leave even more puzzling.
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Is that obvious? IMO, they were writing songs for SF, GHS and IORR that both gave Taylor more space and a different musical platform for him to express himself.
That made his decision to leave even more puzzling.
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Ithink that after the Jack Bruce/CarlaBley band dissolved in July 1975,if the Stones had asked him to rejoin in 1975,he would have done so.I also think that anytime from 1976 to 20114 had he been asked to rejoin ,he would have.Waddy Wachtell played on 10 of 13 tracks on Bridges to Babylon,so if they had asked him to fill that role alongside Ron and Keith,I doubt he would have turned them down.He obviously would have been pleased to play on all the songs on the 50 and Counting Tour rather than the 2or 3pernight he was given.
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Is that obvious? IMO, they were writing songs for SF, GHS and IORR that both gave Taylor more space and a different musical platform for him to express himself.
That made his decision to leave even more puzzling.
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Taylor’ssolo music is niche music It was never going to bring big album sales.If he wanted that,he should have stayed with the Stones.He easily could have done his solo stuff on the side and remained in the band .Why he left was perhaps the biggest career move mistake in rock history next to Pete Best pissing off John Lennon.
I have said it before and I'll say it again if he is still alive because he left then it is not a mistake.
In addition, if he was unhappy with the situation why stay? Life is too short for that.
Isn't that a bit dramatic or even pathetic?
If he really wanted to escape the Stones to save his life, why did he hook up with an addict like Jack Bruce straight away? In the end, it's up to yourself how you handle a "drug environment" and stay clean & healthy and don't blame others that they entice you to use substances.
I'm sure that he was unhappy with the situation because he found the Stones music obviously increasingly limiting. But it's also true that he could have done loads of side-projects while staying in the band at the same time like Taylor1 already pointed out above.
I also suspect that his "unhappiness" with the Stones was whispered in his ears by third parties to a certain, if not large degree - "listen, Mick, you're the star of the show by now, you can do it on your own, you don't need these guys anymore!"...
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Is that obvious? IMO, they were writing songs for SF, GHS and IORR that both gave Taylor more space and a different musical platform for him to express himself.
That made his decision to leave even more puzzling.
Great point DP - Thats why I listen to GHS and IORR more along with BB then any other RS record. They were exploring more with Jaggers vocals and crafting great ballads and the diversity of both albums I do not think he was bored it was those songs on IORR that he expected song credit that pushed him over.
After Exile, the glimmer boys put out a different sounding record with Goats Head Soup. The Album is dominated by crafty ballads, the theme of the album.
'100 Years Ago', a mystical type of feel has Jagger singing from his heart and Mick Taylor's blistering wah wah guitar kicks the song into another gear. Keith's 'Coming Down Again', dives into his personal issues with drugs and his singing is great. One of Keith's best moments singing on record. 'Angie', the classic rock ballad has Jagger singing great with fantastic lyrics and great acoustic guitar by Keith .Winter is a Jagger/Taylor song which has great lyrics and vocals by Jagger.'Winter' is a treasure and has Jagger playing against Taylor's brilliant solo and is one of the finest moments on any Stones record. Mick Taylor should of received some song credit. 'Star Star' is a rocker and has Taylor and Richards interplaying against each other. Both players playing the rhythm and adding their different lead solos.'Dancing With Mr. D', is the second coming of 'Sympathy For the Devil'. 'Silver Train', has Keith's driving rhythm and Taylor laying down his signature ringing slide which is awesome.'Hide Your Love', and 'Can't You Hear The Music', are different and add to the diversity of the album. 'Heartbreaker', has the signature sound of the Stones with Keith's driving rhythm and M T laying down some Hendrix sounding wah wah solo.
To bad MT did not get a chance a release a single of his debut record - Leather Jacket and I would of choose Baby I Want You( It like a single by the band Bread, ot Broken Hands.
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Ithink that after the Jack Bruce/CarlaBley band dissolved in July 1975,if the Stones had asked him to rejoin in 1975,he would have done so.I also think that anytime from 1976 to 20114 had he been asked to rejoin ,he would have.Waddy Wachtell played on 10 of 13 tracks on Bridges to Babylon,so if they had asked him to fill that role alongside Ron and Keith,I doubt he would have turned them down.He obviously would have been pleased to play on all the songs on the 50 and Counting Tour rather than the 2or 3pernight he was given.
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Ithink that after the Jack Bruce/CarlaBley band dissolved in July 1975,if the Stones had asked him to rejoin in 1975,he would have done so.I also think that anytime from 1976 to 20114 had he been asked to rejoin ,he would have.Waddy Wachtell played on 10 of 13 tracks on Bridges to Babylon,so if they had asked him to fill that role alongside Ron and Keith,I doubt he would have turned them down.He obviously would have been pleased to play on all the songs on the 50 and Counting Tour rather than the 2or 3pernight he was given.
I can only agree here.
Furthermore, I believe that whoever whispered in Taylor's ears that he could stand on his own feet like Clapton as a role model did a serious and almost tragic mistake.
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So now the thread is 100% about Mick Taylor
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Ithink that after the Jack Bruce/CarlaBley band dissolved in July 1975,if the Stones had asked him to rejoin in 1975,he would have done so.I also think that anytime from 1976 to 20114 had he been asked to rejoin ,he would have.Waddy Wachtell played on 10 of 13 tracks on Bridges to Babylon,so if they had asked him to fill that role alongside Ron and Keith,I doubt he would have turned them down.He obviously would have been pleased to play on all the songs on the 50 and Counting Tour rather than the 2or 3pernight he was given.
I can only agree here.
Furthermore, I believe that whoever whispered in Taylor's ears that he could stand on his own feet like Clapton as a role model did a serious and almost tragic mistake.
I’m pretty sure he made the decision by himself and ignored the people trying to talk him out of it. I don’t know why that’s so hard for people to believe. He was bored of the same shit, tired of the insanity. He wanted out and it probably saved his life.
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Taylor’ssolo music is niche music It was never going to bring big album sales.If he wanted that,he should have stayed with the Stones.He easily could have done his solo stuff on the side and remained in the band .Why he left was perhaps the biggest career move mistake in rock history next to Pete Best pissing off John Lennon.
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Ithink that after the Jack Bruce/CarlaBley band dissolved in July 1975,if the Stones had asked him to rejoin in 1975,he would have done so.I also think that anytime from 1976 to 20114 had he been asked to rejoin ,he would have.Waddy Wachtell played on 10 of 13 tracks on Bridges to Babylon,so if they had asked him to fill that role alongside Ron and Keith,I doubt he would have turned them down.He obviously would have been pleased to play on all the songs on the 50 and Counting Tour rather than the 2or 3pernight he was given.
I can only agree here.
Furthermore, I believe that whoever whispered in Taylor's ears that he could stand on his own feet like Clapton as a role model did a serious and almost tragic mistake.
I’m pretty sure he made the decision by himself and ignored the people trying to talk him out of it. I don’t know why that’s so hard for people to believe. He was bored of the same shit, tired of the insanity. He wanted out and it probably saved his life.
The "same shit" like TWFNO, 100 Years Ago, Can You Hear The Music, CYHMK, Winter and If You Really Want To Be My Friend?
I don't buy that bit. Seems to me he got more of what he wanted right before he quit. Those songs didn't really take off, though.
And surprisingly, Taylor wasn't very enthusiastic about GHS and IORR. Maybe he wanted even more songs like TWFNO and CYHMK?