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Japanese know how to make CDs. Is the second LA Forum the video soundtrack? Or just a new (hopefully better) mix?

Buying the old mix on shm makes no sense at all.

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glimmertwin1

Is the second LA Forum the video soundtrack? Or just a new (hopefully better) mix?

UICY-79174/5: LA Forum (Live in 1975) 2014 Bob Clearmountain Mix [SHM-CD] - [www.Universal-Music.co.jp] .

UICY-79176/7: LA Forum (Live in 1975) New Mix Version [SHM-CD] - [www.Universal-Music.co.jp] .

Both are the recordings from July 13th, 1975.

SHM, for those unfamiliar, refers to Super High Material. I'm not a techie or audiophile, but here's what little I know. These CDs, manufactured in Japan, are supposedly made of a better (super high) material, that 'can result' in better sound. They can be played on pretty much any CD player.
Many go out of print, and fetch good $ on eBay. (Bowie being a good example).
I've bought a few, and some sound better, more dynamic than others. But they are always really nicely packaged, with extra Japanese inserts and so on. More for the collector, than the casual listener IMO.
CDJapan is a good source for them - I've bought from them a few times, and service and shipping is great. Otherwise, Ebay or other sites.
I was listening again the other day to my SHM of Hendrix Electric Ladyland, and it's stunning. I followed up with an SHM of Who's Next which was less impressive sonically. (Both classic A+ albums).
They've done a number of Stones SHMs - many still readily available. Again, in my opinion, they are well worth checking out. Buy one - see if you can hear the difference. But an SHM really has nothing to do with the Mix (although of course, you could look to see which Mix/version of the album the SHM is based on). My two yen.

No offense meant, but this: "These CDs, manufactured in Japan, are supposedly made of a better (super high) material, that 'can result' in better sound" sounds like complete and utter BS. There has to be more to it than that. Probably remaster and/or remix for the medium that might result in some sonic improvement.

A "super high" material indeed.

Again, not picking on you, but that sounds like sonic puffery to me. And there has been plenty of that over the years, its true.


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jb

I just wish we could have all Stones albums from Sticky Finger on in Blu Ray audio. Unless someone can explain to me how SHM is better sonically than Blu Ray, which is superb.

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24FPS

I just wish we could have all Stones albums from Sticky Finger on in Blu Ray audio.

You could try SACD (better than BR-Audio):


Sticky Fingers - [www.CDJapan.co.jp] , [Store.AcousticSounds.com] , [www.jpc.de]

Exile on Main St. - [www.CDJapan.co.jp] , [Store.AcousticSounds.com] , [www.jpc.de]

Goats Head Soup - [www.CDJapan.co.jp] , [Store.AcousticSounds.com] , [www.jpc.de]

It's Only Rock 'n Roll - [www.CDJapan.co.jp] , [Store.AcousticSounds.com]

Black and Blue - [www.CDJapan.co.jp]

Some Girls - [www.CDJapan.co.jp] , [Store.AcousticSounds.com] , [www.jpc.de]

Emotional Rescue - [www.CDJapan.co.jp]

Tattoo You - [www.CDJapan.co.jp] , [Store.AcousticSounds.com]

Undercover - [www.CDJapan.co.jp]

Dirty Work - [www.CDJapan.co.jp]


There're no SACDs beyond DW. For SW, VL, B2B, ABB would already be CD-Quality sufficient due to the digital recording sources. B&L is available as HiRes-Download, e.g. [www.Qobuz.com] , [www.HighResAudio.com] .

A good Stereo-SACD/CD/USB/Network-Player: Technics SL-G700 - [www.Technics.com] .



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These Japanese SACD are absolutely superb !

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jbwelda
No offense meant, but this: "These CDs, manufactured in Japan, are supposedly made of a better (super high) material, that 'can result' in better sound" sounds like complete and utter BS. There has to be more to it than that. Probably remaster and/or remix for the medium that might result in some sonic improvement.

A "super high" material indeed.

Again, not picking on you, but that sounds like sonic puffery to me. And there has been plenty of that over the years, its true.


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jb

This is a tricky question.

It was advertised that CDs that are pressed using SHM material would contain lower number of defects. The pits supposed to be better shaped, the reflection layer supposed to withstand corrosion over the years. As a result, the CD will play smoothly and player's error correction mechanism will not be involved that often as for the regular polycarbonate/aluminium redbook CD. Surely, the effect will be only heard on high-end equipment. And one can even use term - possibly, but not surely.

The other issue is mastering. If the digital content is compressed and brickwalled to death - nothing will improve the sound. That UM 2009 remaster of The Rolling Stones catalog will not sound any better on SHM.



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ironbelly

It was advertised that CDs that are pressed using SHM material would contain lower number of defects. The pits supposed to be better shaped, the reflection layer supposed to withstand corrosion over the years. As a result, the CD will play smoothly and player's error correction mechanism will not be involved that often as for the regular polycarbonate/aluminium redbook CD. Surely, the effect will be only heard on high-end equipment. And one can even use term - possibly, but not surely.

The next try was UHQ-CD (with Photopolymer instead of Polycarbonate to replicate the Pits) - [Forums.SteveHoffman.tv] .



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Irix

The next try was UHQ-CD (with Photopolymer instead of Polycarbonate to replicate the Pits) - [Forums.SteveHoffman.tv] .

Correct, but will an average person with mid-range equipment hear all those differences?

Where can I buy the Hampton Concert CD or playlist (Japanese)?

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Chris Fountain

Where can I buy the Hampton Concert CD or playlist (Japanese)?

For instance here: [www.Amazon.com] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.CDJapan.co.jp] .

Thanks Irix!

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Irix
A good SACD/CD/USB/Network-Player: Technics SL-G700 - [www.Technics.com] .

”Super Audio CD (2 ch area only)”
So, the Technics won’t play 5.1 sacd’s?

Several years ago, I purchased a few Led Zeppelin cardboard sleeve reissues in the high-fidelity SHM-CD format. I have a very high end audio system. I spent a couple days comparing the SHM versions to other Zeppelin CDs I have collected, and to my ears, I did not think there were pronounced/significant differences in sound quality with the SHM versions.



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jbwelda
No offense meant, but this: "These CDs, manufactured in Japan, are supposedly made of a better (super high) material, that 'can result' in better sound" sounds like complete and utter BS. There has to be more to it than that. Probably remaster and/or remix for the medium that might result in some sonic improvement.

A "super high" material indeed.

Again, not picking on you, but that sounds like sonic puffery to me. And there has been plenty of that over the years, its true.


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jb

Hello,
It is no bullshit at all. These Japanese SHM-CD do sound better. Of course, you will need an above average sound system at home to enjoy the sonic upgrade.

I will be curious to see what the New Mix Version turns out to be, Would be nice if it ends up being an alternative show to the CDs released with the previous release.

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ChrisMahavishnu

Would be nice if it ends up being an alternative show to the CDs released with the previous release.

New Mix Version: "New mix of live recordings from July 13th" - [www.Universal-Music.co.jp] .

An audiophile mix would be nice.

ROCKMAN

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Superdeluxeedition hasn't got any additional source to the ones we have. I still have some hope for an alternate show

How are the “new mix” Japan versions and who did those remixes? Bob Clearmountain or someone else?

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Mabru
How are the “new mix” Japan versions and who did those remixes? Bob Clearmountain or someone else?

Old mix was from Bob Clearmountain, new mix by Sam Wheat, who did the mix for the DVD Show too. I prefer Sam Wheat mix for this one. There's another thread discussing the new mix.

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Mabru

How are the “new mix” Japan versions and who did those remixes?

Sam Wheat - [iorr.org] , [iorr.org] .

Back in the 80's I started buying vinyl Japanese pressings. I found the sound superior to the American albums I already owned.

More recently I found the same is true with the CD's. The sound is improved, has more depth and better overall sound. You definitely hear things you do not hear or the cheaper pressings.

I agree with the previous comments that the SHM CD's do sound better. You will not notice the difference unless you have a good audio system,

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jbwelda
No offense meant, but this: "These CDs, manufactured in Japan, are supposedly made of a better (super high) material, that 'can result' in better sound" sounds like complete and utter BS. There has to be more to it than that. Probably remaster and/or remix for the medium that might result in some sonic improvement.

A "super high" material indeed.

Again, not picking on you, but that sounds like sonic puffery to me. And there has been plenty of that over the years, its true.


thanks
jb

Hello,
It is no bullshit at all. These Japanese SHM-CD do sound better. Of course, you will need an above average sound system at home to enjoy the sonic upgrade.

I understand that there's a sonic upgrade with blu ray audio, and sacd, but as far as SHM I've never heard that. I don't believe that is accurate.

And as I'm sure ironbelly will agree, if in doubt buy the vinyl!



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Thnx for the info!!

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georgemcdonnell314

I agree with the previous comments that the SHM CD's do sound better.

Maybe this comes more from the 2011 flat transfers of the studio albums (primarily used for the SACDs at that time) than from the Super High Material (SHM) which is used for the molding of the CDs?

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Irix

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georgemcdonnell314

I agree with the previous comments that the SHM CD's do sound better.

Maybe this comes more from the 2011 flat transfers of the studio albums (primarily used for the SACDs at that time) than from the Super High Material (SHM) which is used for the molding of the CDs?

Agreed. You have to compare apples to apples.

In anything I've read the benefit to SHM is that there are fewer errors and they last longer than normal CDs. I don't even know if that's actually true but hey, why couldn't it be.

But as far as sonic range and such, its SACD and blu ray audio that have a higher frequency range so more information gets stored, so that of course means for a higher quality audio experience, assuming you are comparing the same masters.

I don't know whether Blu Ray Audio or SACD/SHM combo's are the better buy but maybe someone wiser can weigh in on that/