I think this is a great release, but don't compare the Flashpoint audio with this one, one thing is a live album, where the individual tracks are processed as they always do in post production, here they just improve the whole of the audio and to turn up some channels that were buried in the mix, such as Wood's guitar, which sounds loud and clear here, and it's a pleasure to hear it, as it sounded really good, like the whole band.

Watched the blu ray this afternoon. It's way better than all the bootlegs: better picture and also better sound.

To compare it with Flashpoint is useless, because the recordings from that album were heavy overdubbed and edited in the studio.
The Stones sounded great in 1989/1990 but they sounded nowhere as good and clear as on Flashpoint.
The Undercover b-site was also prepared for Flashpoint, but in the end didn't make the album.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, I'm not comparing this to the whole Flashpoint album.
What I'm saying is, there's a song in Flashpoint from this Atlantic City concert (Little Red Rooster).
Aaaaand the version featured in Flashpoint has NO overdubs.
All that I'm talking about is the way it is mixed and sounds.
It's the same version, mixed differently.
What's played and what you hear on both of them is the same.
But the one on Flashpoint sounds crystal clear, and the mix on this one is muddy, the drums and vocals sound terrible.
A shame really, it could have sounded just like the Tokyo 1990 releases and it would have been awesome.
Go play em back to back and you'll get what I say.



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The Rare Wheels Bonus CD is an absolute ear bleeding mess. I simply cannot believe it was even ok'd for release.

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Maybe I didn't make myself clear, I'm not comparing this to the whole Flashpoint album.
What I'm saying is, there's a song in Flashpoint from this Atlantic City concert (Little Red Rooster).
Aaaaand the version featured in Flashpoint has NO overdubs.
All that I'm talking about is the way it is mixed and sounds.
It's the same version, mixed differently.
What's played and what you hear on both of them is the same.
But the one on Flashpoint sounds crystal clear, and the mix on this one is muddy, the drums and vocals sound terrible.
A shame really, it could have sounded just like the Tokyo 1990 releases and it would have been awesome.
Go play em back to back and you'll get what I say.

I understand what you mean, but as I said for the Flashpoint album they took every single track (drums, guitar a and bass b etc.) and remodeled them to sound a certain way. This is a practice that was often done to make the album more effective. Here, however, there is none of this, at the limit the general audio is reshaped and some tracks are raised, which were too low.
A job similar to Flashpoint would cost a lot and I don't think many would like it, because it would sound too much like a recording studio. But I understand your point of view ....

OK, another satisfied customer!

mind giving us a more detailed review of that third disk?

jb

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Maybe I didn't make myself clear, I'm not comparing this to the whole Flashpoint album.
What I'm saying is, there's a song in Flashpoint from this Atlantic City concert (Little Red Rooster).
Aaaaand the version featured in Flashpoint has NO overdubs.
All that I'm talking about is the way it is mixed and sounds.
It's the same version, mixed differently.
What's played and what you hear on both of them is the same.
But the one on Flashpoint sounds crystal clear, and the mix on this one is muddy, the drums and vocals sound terrible.
A shame really, it could have sounded just like the Tokyo 1990 releases and it would have been awesome.
Go play em back to back and you'll get what I say.

The Little Red Rooster mix on Flashpoint is very good, no doubt, to me, the difference is that Charlie and especially Chuck are more prominent in the mix compared to the new release. That doesn’t make the new mix bad, just different. For you to say the new mix sounds terrible is wrong, Charlie and Mick don’t sound bad and the mix isn’t muddy, you’re in the minority on this one. You expect them to go back to a 1991 CD release with one song from Atlantic City on it and mix the whole show like that, or you want them to mix it like Tokyo, a completely different show, it doesn’t work that way.



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I was comparing UOTN to the B-side just as a matter of fact, sound wise, since it's from this show (along with Sad Sad Sad and Little Red Rooster).

Whatever compelled whoever to make the B-side sound more like the studio version is fortunately not on ATLANTIC CITY.

I like the rumbly live sound of this release whereas FLASHPOINT sounds way too clean, their worst sounding live album at this point, even though it's a really good job.

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Maybe I didn't make myself clear, I'm not comparing this to the whole Flashpoint album.
What I'm saying is, there's a song in Flashpoint from this Atlantic City concert (Little Red Rooster).
Aaaaand the version featured in Flashpoint has NO overdubs.
All that I'm talking about is the way it is mixed and sounds.
It's the same version, mixed differently.
What's played and what you hear on both of them is the same.
But the one on Flashpoint sounds crystal clear, and the mix on this one is muddy, the drums and vocals sound terrible.
A shame really, it could have sounded just like the Tokyo 1990 releases and it would have been awesome.
Go play em back to back and you'll get what I say.

Couldn't disagree more. It's not muddy. It's sounds live. The problem with Little Red Rooster lies within the performance, imo. It's too clean on Flashpoint.

You can also compare Sad Sad Sad from Flashpoint with this version (also from this show). Finally, we get to hear Mick start the song, and not Chuck

Ah Bill bass, what a thrill.
Keith is great.

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OK, another satisfied customer!

mind giving us a more detailed review of that third disk?

jb

The bonus disc is outstanding. Crisp, clear sound, well mixed. Great choice of tracks, but too few of them.

Also nice that Amazon has a policy of refunding pre-order costs to lowest price before release date. Those who paid $100 should be getting $40 refund.

"make up your mind, 'cause I gotta go"

Further on the bonus disc:

Almost hear you sigh has way better sound quality than the 7th of July boot. I Just Want to Make Love To You has better sound quality than the same song on the Highwire CD Single.

"make up your mind, 'cause I gotta go"

I compared mine too. I must have a defective cd it's that bad. It's going back.

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Further on the bonus disc:

Almost hear you sigh has way better sound quality than the 7th of July boot. I Just Want to Make Love To You has better sound quality than the same song on the Highwire CD Single.

Why compare it with the 7th of July bootleg if it’s from July 6th ?

I love it! It's a lot more feistier than the Tokyo performances.

cd dvd and bluray labels are different from deluxe superbox.

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Why compare it with the 7th of July bootleg if it’s from July 6th ?

UMMMM to compare quality of a show mentioned in the thread to the new release ?

"make up your mind, 'cause I gotta go"

Why is there such a difference in price for 6 disc steel wheels live.... 45GBP.... whereas goats head soup super deluxe 95 or 105 GBP?
I'm very interested in buying the steel wheels live set, but will hangfire to see if ghs comes down in price

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Same problem here images freeze several times on SD Blu-Ray
No problem with the dvd

I just sent my deluxe-package back to Amazon. I hope that the replacement will contain a running Blu-Ray.

Check the play side to see if it's scratched. Before I opened mine I noticed something bouncing around in the box, I figured it was marbles like in the Pink Floyd Immersion sets or something only to find that 3 of my discs were dancing around loose in the box after coming out of the useless cardboard sleeves. Wouldn't ya know 2 had obvious scratches. I'm gonna spend the rest of the weekend listening and viewing then decide if it's going back to amazon. How freakin' disappointing especially since I've ben looking forward to this one for 2 months!!!

No bouncing here. But I saw something like a fingerprint on the play side. It couldn't be mine own, since I pulled out the disc with a paper handkerchief. It is the first time in 18 years that I had to return a package to Amazon. The replacement will come in the next days. Hopefully it is only a single misprint or damage and not a faulty production line.

In my experience, fingerprints or small scratches make no difference on CDs, DVDs or probably bluray disks. Error correction takes care of a lot of it. If you disk is skipping or stalling it is more likely because of major, visible damage or the disk is just plain defective. Usually coming out of a sleeve and bouncing around a little inside the packaging has little effect.

What I would like to know is the difference in opinion about this third disk. One says its unlistenable (apparently due to the mastering) while another raves that it is the best thing ever (aside from not enough music). Is this all just personal opinion and the difference between a low and a high tolerance for ear bleedin' mastering? Just seems rather strange the major polarization of listening experience.

jb

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In my experience, fingerprints or small scratches make no difference on CDs, DVDs or probably bluray disks. Error correction takes care of a lot of it. If you disk is skipping or stalling it is more likely because of major, visible damage or the disk is just plain defective. Usually coming out of a sleeve and bouncing around a little inside the packaging has little effect.

What I would like to know is the difference in opinion about this third disk. One says its unlistenable (apparently due to the mastering) while another raves that it is the best thing ever (aside from not enough music). Is this all just personal opinion and the difference between a low and a high tolerance for ear bleedin' mastering? Just seems rather strange the major polarization of listening experience.

jb

I've had a lot of CDs and DVDs not play because of a smudge or scratch. What Blueray discs I have I've been much more careful with.

Top five best Stones Tours.The guitars were great ,especially Keith.Keith wa amazing on this tour.Looking forward to getting this.

It was the Stones back into live business and they were seriously on top. Ok, Voodoo Lounge Tour was even better.

The Atlantic City PPV is in my top five favourite concert.

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It was the Stones back into live business and they were seriously on top. Ok, Voodoo Lounge Tour was even better.


The Atlantic City PPV is in my top five favourite concert.

They are still on top....always were....always will be....



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Got the Deluxe edition today two days after I ordered it from Amazon. They offered it for $62.00 with free shipping. I really like this release (including the packaging). I think the picture quality and music sound great on my system. Also, I do hear more prominent guitars in the mix. This was one of my favorite shows (and all time best tours-the Stones were tight as hell and delivered the goods!) and it is great to have it as an official release.



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It was the Stones back into live business and they were seriously on top. Ok, Voodoo Lounge Tour was even better.

The Atlantic City PPV is in my top five favourite concert.

The band was better on Steel Wheels Tour than Voodoo Lounge.Jones was a minus from Bill.Keith never played better than he did on Steel Wheels tour



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In my experience, fingerprints or small scratches make no difference on CDs, DVDs or probably bluray disks. Error correction takes care of a lot of it. If you disk is skipping or stalling it is more likely because of major, visible damage or the disk is just plain defective. Usually coming out of a sleeve and bouncing around a little inside the packaging has little effect.

What I would like to know is the difference in opinion about this third disk. One says its unlistenable (apparently due to the mastering) while another raves that it is the best thing ever (aside from not enough music). Is this all just personal opinion and the difference between a low and a high tolerance for ear bleedin' mastering? Just seems rather strange the major polarization of listening experience.

jb

I've had a lot of CDs and DVDs not play because of a smudge or scratch. What Blueray discs I have I've been much more careful with.

Scratches are different and effect they produce too.
Radial are less dangerous than sector.
Scratches to the label are more dangerous than to the play side. It is because the reflective layer is protected by paint only from the label side.
Pinholes and defects are more dangerous to DVD and Bluray because the characteristic size of one bit is smaller. I.e. small defect will affect Bluray in the first place, then - DVD and CD in the last place.

Also, sometimes defects are not caused by scratches but by production. I.e. they are there due to faulty moulding process (irregular cooling or something like that) As a result the digital content is there but is in the wrong places. These could possibly pass through factory quality control. But some players just can not track and correct properly. These are not visible to the eyes. Thus - skips and freezing on absolutely perfect discs.

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It was the Stones back into live business and they were seriously on top. Ok, Voodoo Lounge Tour was even better.

The Atlantic City PPV is in my top five favourite concert.

The band was better on Steel Wheels Tour than Voodoo Lounge.Jones was a minus from Bill.Keith never played better than he did on Steel Wheels tour

Agreed!

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It was the Stones back into live business and they were seriously on top. Ok, Voodoo Lounge Tour was even better.

The Atlantic City PPV is in my top five favourite concert.

The band was better on Steel Wheels Tour than Voodoo Lounge.Jones was a minus from Bill.Keith never played better than he did on Steel Wheels tour

Agreed!

Naw. Dont believe it. He was way better during the Voodoo Lounge tour.

How is the sound quality on CD 3? I would like to know so I can decide whether to purchase the deluxe edition. 2 conflicting posts so far.