Amazon US just sent shipping confirmation, will arrive tomorrow, Deluxe Set, can’t wait

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IrelandCalling4
How good is the book in the deluxe set? Must say I loved the GHS deluxe book, lots of glossy photos from '73!

Good reviews this far on the sound; guitars a little low on some SW proshots so great to hear they're mixed nice and loud.

Haven't paid much attention yet to the book concerning rare photos & text.
The overall look is pretty nice.

I can't believe my eyes! This is the 2nd release in line that is getting mostly positive reviews .

I have the Swinging Pig version. For those who have the new release, is it a night and day difference or would you call it a slight improvement.

I hate buying the same show twice...but...

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FrogSugar
I have the Swinging Pig version. For those who have the new release, is it a night and day difference or would you call it a slight improvement.

I hate buying the same show twice...but...

I have the TSP Box too I doubt that the new audio will be a night and day difference - a little cleaner but much more compressed ...

I wait for a sale or maybe I skip on this one.

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FrogSugar
I have the Swinging Pig version. For those who have the new release, is it a night and day difference or would you call it a slight improvement.

I hate buying the same show twice...but...

there is a difference.
the old boots sound a bit more distant.
the guitars are clearer in sound as before IMHO.



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FrogSugar
I have the Swinging Pig version. For those who have the new release, is it a night and day difference or would you call it a slight improvement.

I hate buying the same show twice...but...

night & day

the old boots all have the distant arena sound.
this one is very close.

Ok but I m unsure if it's really better audiowise. These from the vault releases are all very catchy on first listen... My boot sounds ok / not perfect but I always liked it despite minor "faults".

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FrogSugar
I have the Swinging Pig version. For those who have the new release, is it a night and day difference or would you call it a slight improvement.

I hate buying the same show twice...but...

night & day

the old boots all have the distant arena sound.
this one is very close.

Ok but I m unsure if it's really better audiowise. These from the vault releases are all very catchy on first listen... My boot sounds ok / not perfect but I always liked it despite minor "faults".

Check the ruby tuesday clip on youtube and decide for yourself.
Not everybody needs every update for 1990 shows.

Well,

I am very surprised about this release. I received it today. I am watching the Blu-ray now. Great picture and sound quality.
The audience sounds a bit distant. Nice book with great Pictures. I like this release very much.

I have the 4-cd swinging pig. This is a very serious upgrade.

Night and day with the bootlegs.

You'll discover many unheard yet details!

I personally think anyone who has bought bootlegs of the material, if they like it enough to still be listening to it, should feel obligated to buy at least a low line version of this release, as I think of all "official" releases they put out. Its only fair, and really, the price is right for the basic sets.

jb

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GivenToFly15
I have the 4-cd swinging pig. This is a very serious upgrade.

I too have the 4CD Swinging Pig set....and from what I'm reading here, I can maybe get rid of it....minus perhaps the 4th disc for the pre/post-show stuff and rare tracks including those Toronto songs, as I did not buy the $100 deluxe 'Steel Wheels Live' but just the 2CD/Blu Ray. And I have a boot of Wembley 7/7/90 (which I guess is the day after the 3 Wembley tracks on "Rare Reels" but alas).

In contrast, I did end up keeping my Miami 11/25/94 boot ("Miami Dice") since that official release was mixed so differently (i.e. badly).

Par for the coarse on these archival Rolling Stones CD releases, the DR values suck on this one. However, it's still by far the best you're going to find for this show, the mix is great with great clarity on all instruments, especially Keith, can't say the same for the old bootleg versions. The Blu-ray is excellent, they obviously did a fantastic restoration, again, blows away the bootlegs. The stereo audio track on the Blu-ray is 24/48, I haven't ripped it yet to see whether the dynamic range is any better on that. I absolutely love this release!

foobar2000 1.5.5 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2020-09-24 23:56:08

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Analyzed: The Rolling Stones / Steel Wheels Live
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR10 -1.21 dB -17.68 dB 1:06 ?-01 Intro
DR6 -0.41 dB -7.85 dB 3:47 ?-02 Start Me Up
DR6 -0.21 dB -7.60 dB 3:28 ?-03 Bitch
DR6 -0.21 dB -7.47 dB 3:47 ?-04 Sad Sad Sad
DR7 -0.20 dB -7.85 dB 4:21 ?-05 Undercover Of The Night
DR6 -0.26 dB -7.45 dB 4:34 ?-06 Harlem Shuffle
DR5 -0.36 dB -7.36 dB 4:18 ?-07 Tumbling Dice
DR6 -0.26 dB -8.01 dB 6:43 ?-08 Miss You
DR7 -0.21 dB -8.44 dB 4:59 ?-09 Terrifying
DR6 -0.77 dB -9.44 dB 3:48 ?-10 Ruby Tuesday
DR6 -1.16 dB -8.43 dB 6:02 ?-11 Salt Of The Earth
DR6 -0.23 dB -7.93 dB 5:05 ?-12 Rock And A Hard Place
DR6 -1.08 dB -7.84 dB 5:18 ?-13 Mixed Emotions
DR5 -1.16 dB -7.91 dB 4:55 ?-14 Honky Tonk Women
DR6 -1.02 dB -8.75 dB 10:21 ?-15 Midnight Rambler
DR6 -0.48 dB -8.47 dB 7:18 ?-16 You Can't Always Get What You Want
DR6 -0.22 dB -8.81 dB 6:20 ?-17 Little Red Rooster
DR6 -1.18 dB -8.69 dB 5:32 ?-18 Boogie Chillen
DR6 -1.17 dB -8.33 dB 6:06 ?-19 Can't Be Seen
DR5 -1.17 dB -7.15 dB 4:33 ?-20 Happy
DR6 -1.17 dB -7.48 dB 3:50 ?-21 Paint It Black
DR6 -1.14 dB -10.84 dB 7:24 ?-22 2000 Light Years From Home
DR6 -1.11 dB -8.51 dB 7:41 ?-23 Sympathy For The Devil
DR6 -1.18 dB -8.16 dB 7:32 ?-24 Gimme Shelter
DR6 -1.05 dB -7.67 dB 4:49 ?-25 It's Only Rock 'N' Roll (But I Like It)
DR5 -1.18 dB -7.27 dB 4:36 ?-26 Brown Sugar
DR6 -0.19 dB -7.46 dB 7:26 ?-27 (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
DR5 -0.99 dB -6.93 dB 6:36 ?-28 Jumpin' Jack Flash
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Number of tracks: 28
Official DR value: DR6

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 1411 kbps
Codec: PCM
================================================================================

I thought I had the Swinging Pig version of this, but I just dug it out and it appears to be on a label called "Crystal Cat Records", two cd set with some deluxe graphics.

How does this version compare to TSP version? I am going to pop it in and have a listen but just for reference would like to know how it sounds relative to other releases.

thanks
jb

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ironbelly
Somebody on Steve Hoffmans's Music Forum
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Received the deluxe box this morning and have been playing the br. Rest assured, the guitars are loud and mixed in yer face. I give it a 9 out of 10.
_______

Did Bob Clearmountain mix it?

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Somebody on Steve Hoffmans's Music Forum
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Received the deluxe box this morning and have been playing the br. Rest assured, the guitars are loud and mixed in yer face. I give it a 9 out of 10.
_______

Did Bob Clearmountain mix it?

Have no idea. Mine box is on the way from amazon de and local record store does not carry neither 2CD/DVD nor 2CD/Bluray sets.

Delete



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On my way to the record store. Can't wait!

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ironbelly

Somebody on Steve Hoffmans's Music Forum
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Received the deluxe box this morning and have been playing the br. Rest assured, the guitars are loud and mixed in yer face. I give it a 9 out of 10.
_______

Did Bob Clearmountain mix it?

Have no idea. Mine box is on the way from amazon de and local record store does not carry neither 2CD/DVD nor 2CD/Bluray sets.

Sorry, just noticed the reference to Steve Hoffman Music Forum.

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FrogSugar
I have the Swinging Pig version. For those who have the new release, is it a night and day difference or would you call it a slight improvement.

I hate buying the same show twice...but...

night & day

the old boots all have the distant arena sound.
this one is very close.

Ok but I m unsure if it's really better audiowise. These from the vault releases are all very catchy on first listen... My boot sounds ok / not perfect but I always liked it despite minor "faults".

Vinyl or CD ???

My first impression: Fortunately, the mix preserves and emphasizes the excellent contributions by Ronnie!

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bonddm

Did Bob Clearmountain mix it?

Yes - [www.Qobuz.com] - (i)-Button. Mastering by Mazen Murad according to HDtracks. But the Credits provided by Universal Music should always be taken with a grain of salt (see the posts below).

While the Digital Audio is still not on US-iTunes, it's in the US at least on Qobuz , [www.ProStudioMasters.com] and [www.HDtracks.com] . The MP3 is also on [www.Amazon.com] .



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bonddm

Did Bob Clearmountain mix it?

Yes - [www.Qobuz.com] - (i)-Button.

[forums.stevehoffman.tv]
But we do not trust booklets

The booklet from the Deluxe Edition states Sam Wheat for Atlantic City and Bob Clearmountain for Tokyo Bonus DVD

After two listening sessions I must admit the mix isn't as horrible as Miami 94. It is guitar driven but somehow distant and sometimes overloaded but I am more satisfied with it than with the last few ones.

The CD version was cut down to fit on two CDs. Therefore some introductions were cut and the band intros stops after a few musicians. The Download/Spotify version seems to be the same version minus the Intro. It starts straight with SMU and all track lengths are the same as on CD.

The Bonus DVD from Tokyo is the same release as the old one with a new menu. Picture is bootleg quality and the sound is good, although not excellent like the other Tokyo show.

All in all a great release. The 6 Disc package is really really beautiful. I like it! Great concert!

It's on Spotify.

You have to get used to a distant Mick but upfront Ronnie and Keith.

Nevertheless, finally this official release!

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FrogSugar
I have the Swinging Pig version. For those who have the new release, is it a night and day difference or would you call it a slight improvement.

I hate buying the same show twice...but...

night & day

the old boots all have the distant arena sound.
this one is very close.

Ok but I m unsure if it's really better audiowise. These from the vault releases are all very catchy on first listen... My boot sounds ok / not perfect but I always liked it despite minor "faults".

Vinyl or CD ???

I have both and a radio promo as a tape from an FM Broadcast- time fades 30Years ago.

The official release is ok as far as I can tell (Spotify) -> Ronnie is partly louder, Keith is samewhat burried (Sympathy, Gimme Shelter, R'n'R ...)

Vocals are very harsh and upfront ? Or is it just me ??? My hearing was better 30 years ago

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slowhand
Par for the coarse on these archival Rolling Stones CD releases, the DR values suck on this one. However, it's still by far the best you're going to find for this show, the mix is great with great clarity on all instruments, especially Keith, can't say the same for the old bootleg versions. The Blu-ray is excellent, they obviously did a fantastic restoration, again, blows away the bootlegs. The stereo audio track on the Blu-ray is 24/48, I haven't ripped it yet to see whether the dynamic range is any better on that. I absolutely love this release!

foobar2000 1.5.5 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2020-09-24 23:56:08

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Analyzed: The Rolling Stones / Steel Wheels Live
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR10 -1.21 dB -17.68 dB 1:06 ?-01 Intro
DR6 -0.41 dB -7.85 dB 3:47 ?-02 Start Me Up
DR6 -0.21 dB -7.60 dB 3:28 ?-03 Bitch
DR6 -0.21 dB -7.47 dB 3:47 ?-04 Sad Sad Sad
DR7 -0.20 dB -7.85 dB 4:21 ?-05 Undercover Of The Night
DR6 -0.26 dB -7.45 dB 4:34 ?-06 Harlem Shuffle
DR5 -0.36 dB -7.36 dB 4:18 ?-07 Tumbling Dice
DR6 -0.26 dB -8.01 dB 6:43 ?-08 Miss You
DR7 -0.21 dB -8.44 dB 4:59 ?-09 Terrifying
DR6 -0.77 dB -9.44 dB 3:48 ?-10 Ruby Tuesday
DR6 -1.16 dB -8.43 dB 6:02 ?-11 Salt Of The Earth
DR6 -0.23 dB -7.93 dB 5:05 ?-12 Rock And A Hard Place
DR6 -1.08 dB -7.84 dB 5:18 ?-13 Mixed Emotions
DR5 -1.16 dB -7.91 dB 4:55 ?-14 Honky Tonk Women
DR6 -1.02 dB -8.75 dB 10:21 ?-15 Midnight Rambler
DR6 -0.48 dB -8.47 dB 7:18 ?-16 You Can't Always Get What You Want
DR6 -0.22 dB -8.81 dB 6:20 ?-17 Little Red Rooster
DR6 -1.18 dB -8.69 dB 5:32 ?-18 Boogie Chillen
DR6 -1.17 dB -8.33 dB 6:06 ?-19 Can't Be Seen
DR5 -1.17 dB -7.15 dB 4:33 ?-20 Happy
DR6 -1.17 dB -7.48 dB 3:50 ?-21 Paint It Black
DR6 -1.14 dB -10.84 dB 7:24 ?-22 2000 Light Years From Home
DR6 -1.11 dB -8.51 dB 7:41 ?-23 Sympathy For The Devil
DR6 -1.18 dB -8.16 dB 7:32 ?-24 Gimme Shelter
DR6 -1.05 dB -7.67 dB 4:49 ?-25 It's Only Rock 'N' Roll (But I Like It)
DR5 -1.18 dB -7.27 dB 4:36 ?-26 Brown Sugar
DR6 -0.19 dB -7.46 dB 7:26 ?-27 (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
DR5 -0.99 dB -6.93 dB 6:36 ?-28 Jumpin' Jack Flash
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Number of tracks: 28
Official DR value: DR6

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 1411 kbps
Codec: PCM
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DR isn't everything:

TSP CD 075:

cat ~/Music/1989-12-19\ -\ Atlantic\ City\ \'89/foo_dr.txt
foobar2000 1.3.14 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2016-12-22 11:21:02

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Analyzed: The Rolling Stones / Atlantic City '89
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR5 -2.38 dB -8.24 dB 3:56 01-Start Me Up
DR5 -2.28 dB -8.12 dB 3:42 02-Bitch
DR5 -2.39 dB -8.07 dB 4:02 03-Sad Sad Sad
DR5 -2.47 dB -8.45 dB 4:33 04-Undercover Of The Night
DR5 -2.30 dB -8.11 dB 4:34 05-Harlem Shuffle
DR6 -0.73 dB -8.38 dB 4:32 06-Tumbling Dice
DR5 -2.42 dB -8.24 dB 6:56 07-Miss You
DR5 -2.08 dB -8.54 dB 5:21 08-Terrifying
DR7 -0.30 dB -8.42 dB 4:17 09-Ruby Tuesday
DR5 -2.23 dB -8.27 dB 6:02 10-Salt Of The Earth
DR5 -2.49 dB -8.37 dB 5:12 11-Rock And A Hard Place
DR6 -0.93 dB -8.34 dB 5:32 12-Mixed Emotions
DR5 -2.00 dB -8.26 dB 5:15 13-Honky Tonk Women
DR5 -1.16 dB -8.32 dB 10:46 14-Midnight Rambler
DR5 -1.91 dB -8.24 dB 7:03 15-You Can't Always Get What You Want
DR6 -1.41 dB -8.49 dB 6:40 16-Little Red Rooster
DR6 -1.84 dB -8.41 dB 5:32 17-Boogie Chillen
DR9 -1.54 dB -11.60 dB 6:06 18-Can't Be Seen
DR5 -2.05 dB -8.15 dB 4:38 19-Happy
DR5 -1.87 dB -8.36 dB 4:11 20-Paint It Black
DR5 -1.94 dB -7.92 dB 6:00 21-2000 Light Years From Home
DR5 -1.86 dB -8.00 dB 7:42 22-Sympathy For The Devil
DR6 -0.90 dB -8.07 dB 6:22 23-Gimme Shelter
DR6 -2.10 dB -9.44 dB 1:10 24-Introduction
DR5 -2.13 dB -8.15 dB 4:49 25-It's Only Rock'n'roll
DR5 -2.13 dB -7.93 dB 4:36 26-Brown Sugar
DR8 -1.00 dB -11.20 dB 7:46 27-(I can`t Get No) Satisfaction
DR6 -0.72 dB -7.82 dB 6:27 28-Jumping Jack Flash
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Number of tracks: 28
Official DR value: DR6

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 1026 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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slowhand
Par for the coarse on these archival Rolling Stones CD releases, the DR values suck on this one. However, it's still by far the best you're going to find for this show, the mix is great with great clarity on all instruments, especially Keith, can't say the same for the old bootleg versions. The Blu-ray is excellent, they obviously did a fantastic restoration, again, blows away the bootlegs. The stereo audio track on the Blu-ray is 24/48, I haven't ripped it yet to see whether the dynamic range is any better on that. I absolutely love this release!

foobar2000 1.5.5 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2020-09-24 23:56:08

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Analyzed: The Rolling Stones / Steel Wheels Live
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR10 -1.21 dB -17.68 dB 1:06 ?-01 Intro
DR6 -0.41 dB -7.85 dB 3:47 ?-02 Start Me Up
DR6 -0.21 dB -7.60 dB 3:28 ?-03 Bitch
DR6 -0.21 dB -7.47 dB 3:47 ?-04 Sad Sad Sad
DR7 -0.20 dB -7.85 dB 4:21 ?-05 Undercover Of The Night
DR6 -0.26 dB -7.45 dB 4:34 ?-06 Harlem Shuffle
DR5 -0.36 dB -7.36 dB 4:18 ?-07 Tumbling Dice
DR6 -0.26 dB -8.01 dB 6:43 ?-08 Miss You
DR7 -0.21 dB -8.44 dB 4:59 ?-09 Terrifying
DR6 -0.77 dB -9.44 dB 3:48 ?-10 Ruby Tuesday
DR6 -1.16 dB -8.43 dB 6:02 ?-11 Salt Of The Earth
DR6 -0.23 dB -7.93 dB 5:05 ?-12 Rock And A Hard Place
DR6 -1.08 dB -7.84 dB 5:18 ?-13 Mixed Emotions
DR5 -1.16 dB -7.91 dB 4:55 ?-14 Honky Tonk Women
DR6 -1.02 dB -8.75 dB 10:21 ?-15 Midnight Rambler
DR6 -0.48 dB -8.47 dB 7:18 ?-16 You Can't Always Get What You Want
DR6 -0.22 dB -8.81 dB 6:20 ?-17 Little Red Rooster
DR6 -1.18 dB -8.69 dB 5:32 ?-18 Boogie Chillen
DR6 -1.17 dB -8.33 dB 6:06 ?-19 Can't Be Seen
DR5 -1.17 dB -7.15 dB 4:33 ?-20 Happy
DR6 -1.17 dB -7.48 dB 3:50 ?-21 Paint It Black
DR6 -1.14 dB -10.84 dB 7:24 ?-22 2000 Light Years From Home
DR6 -1.11 dB -8.51 dB 7:41 ?-23 Sympathy For The Devil
DR6 -1.18 dB -8.16 dB 7:32 ?-24 Gimme Shelter
DR6 -1.05 dB -7.67 dB 4:49 ?-25 It's Only Rock 'N' Roll (But I Like It)
DR5 -1.18 dB -7.27 dB 4:36 ?-26 Brown Sugar
DR6 -0.19 dB -7.46 dB 7:26 ?-27 (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
DR5 -0.99 dB -6.93 dB 6:36 ?-28 Jumpin' Jack Flash
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Number of tracks: 28
Official DR value: DR6

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 1411 kbps
Codec: PCM
================================================================================

DR isn't everything:

TSP CD 075:

cat ~/Music/1989-12-19\ -\ Atlantic\ City\ \'89/foo_dr.txt
foobar2000 1.3.14 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2016-12-22 11:21:02

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Analyzed: The Rolling Stones / Atlantic City '89
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR5 -2.38 dB -8.24 dB 3:56 01-Start Me Up
DR5 -2.28 dB -8.12 dB 3:42 02-Bitch
DR5 -2.39 dB -8.07 dB 4:02 03-Sad Sad Sad
DR5 -2.47 dB -8.45 dB 4:33 04-Undercover Of The Night
DR5 -2.30 dB -8.11 dB 4:34 05-Harlem Shuffle
DR6 -0.73 dB -8.38 dB 4:32 06-Tumbling Dice
DR5 -2.42 dB -8.24 dB 6:56 07-Miss You
DR5 -2.08 dB -8.54 dB 5:21 08-Terrifying
DR7 -0.30 dB -8.42 dB 4:17 09-Ruby Tuesday
DR5 -2.23 dB -8.27 dB 6:02 10-Salt Of The Earth
DR5 -2.49 dB -8.37 dB 5:12 11-Rock And A Hard Place
DR6 -0.93 dB -8.34 dB 5:32 12-Mixed Emotions
DR5 -2.00 dB -8.26 dB 5:15 13-Honky Tonk Women
DR5 -1.16 dB -8.32 dB 10:46 14-Midnight Rambler
DR5 -1.91 dB -8.24 dB 7:03 15-You Can't Always Get What You Want
DR6 -1.41 dB -8.49 dB 6:40 16-Little Red Rooster
DR6 -1.84 dB -8.41 dB 5:32 17-Boogie Chillen
DR9 -1.54 dB -11.60 dB 6:06 18-Can't Be Seen
DR5 -2.05 dB -8.15 dB 4:38 19-Happy
DR5 -1.87 dB -8.36 dB 4:11 20-Paint It Black
DR5 -1.94 dB -7.92 dB 6:00 21-2000 Light Years From Home
DR5 -1.86 dB -8.00 dB 7:42 22-Sympathy For The Devil
DR6 -0.90 dB -8.07 dB 6:22 23-Gimme Shelter
DR6 -2.10 dB -9.44 dB 1:10 24-Introduction
DR5 -2.13 dB -8.15 dB 4:49 25-It's Only Rock'n'roll
DR5 -2.13 dB -7.93 dB 4:36 26-Brown Sugar
DR8 -1.00 dB -11.20 dB 7:46 27-(I can`t Get No) Satisfaction
DR6 -0.72 dB -7.82 dB 6:27 28-Jumping Jack Flash
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Number of tracks: 28
Official DR value: DR6

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 1026 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================

I agree 100%, DR values aren't everything, I'm very happy with this release and think it's miles better than any other version in existance, that's how people should look at it and as you point out the DR values on TSP audio isn't any better. The mix on the new release is what makes it shine IMO, I'm very happy with it and the mastering isn't a deal breaker for me in the slightest.