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SonofHarlemShuffler
Anyway...are the number of hits on YouTube taken into consideration when compiling the charts? I can’t think of a reason they wouldn’t be but I don’t recall YouTube being mentioned on previous posts on the calculations.
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IanBillen
Is not auto-tune folks. By the way .. people use "Melodyne" now ...not auto-tune!
The vocals had "Melodyne" on them...See here >>>> Ima sure (basically EVERYONE uses it and on every track believe it or not) ... however what you hear in Ghost Town is an effect ...not tuning. Melodyne did not create this effect. Melodyne is almost impossible to detect .... even on trained ears. When you actually hear this type of sound such as the vocals on Ghost Town is an effect of some sort .. not the pitch correction. Also Jaggers vocals are tripled in the song. Two in same key and one deeper key.
Interesting, thanks Ian. So it's not autotune, it's not vocoder, but it's melodyne.
Never heard of that, so quickly looked it up via wiki: Melodyne
"Celemony Software GmbH is a German musical software company that specializes in digital audio pitch correction software. It produces Melodyne, a popular audio pitch modification tool similar to Auto-Tune.
Three years before Celemony was founded (in 2000), Peter Neubäcker was working on a research experiment with sound. This experiment later turned into the Melodyne pitch correction product.
Melodyne has become a tool which is used by a large number of professional record producers worldwide to tune and manipulate audio signals, typically a singer's vocals. Melodyne also has facilities for time-stretching, rebuilding melodies. It can also be used to aid the creation of backing vocals from an existing lead vocal. The first public viewing of Melodyne was at the Winter NAMM Show in 2001 and it has since won various awards.[6] As of January 2016, the current release is Melodyne 4. Artists who use the software include Herbie Hancock, Björk, Coldplay, Peter Gabriel, Eka Gustiwana Putra (alongside with Presonus StudioOne), and Thomas Newman"
So now all caught up with the latest effects, including "quantized" - the technique they used to manipulate/edit/screw around with Charlie's drumming.
Definitely more to this tune than meets the eye, and it's a damn fine tune no matter what. But evidently there's still those that think it's Auto-tune....oh well, I'll leave that debate to the experts...
Not hung up on the chart success or failure as it doesn't have an affect on what I think of the song, and the charts these days are a bit convoluted, but I guess it's interesting to see the impact the tune is having.
But from what little of the charts I've paid attention to (by skimming through this thread), seems it's doing OK for a latter day Stones tune? For the sake of the Mick and the Stones, hope so.
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SonofHarlemShuffler
Anyway...are the number of hits on YouTube taken into consideration when compiling the charts? I can’t think of a reason they wouldn’t be but I don’t recall YouTube being mentioned on previous posts on the calculations.
On Youtube Music, you mean?
I would guess he means regular YT which features both the song in orange and the fisheye video. I agree that would be relevant if you're trying to look at 'real' numbers.
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I can't stand the phrase "sprinkle some fairy dust" and if memory serves, that is just because of this site here
That's incorrect, these are the very words Keith used to describe his work on "Let Me Down Slow", read up !
Wrong.
In Don't Stop, my job was the fairy dust.
Keith Richards 2002
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He said something similar about Streets Of Love but that's on the bonus video, can't find it in print.
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SonofHarlemShuffler
Thank you, DandelionPowderman. Final question: do the number of hits on regular YouTube count as far as the charts are concerned or is it just their Music service? Maybe it’s both!
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SonofHarlemShuffler
Thank you, DandelionPowderman. Final question: do the number of hits on regular YouTube count as far as the charts are concerned or is it just their Music service? Maybe it’s both!
Both (but their weight is different if it is free or paid - for example, in United Kingdom 100 streams in the paid service equals 1 sold copy, but in free service one needs 600 streams for that)
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Stoneage
I like Keith
I seem to have developed almost an antipathy towards Sir Michael
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Cristiano Radtke
There will be an authorised remix version made by a Brazilian DJ named Alok, who've already worked with Mick on his latest single. It will be posted on May 2.
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DandelionPowderman
I could understand that the officially released track counts, both for free listening and the subscription part of YouTube Music. But streaming of a track that some bloke uploaded to ("the old") YouTube, does that really count?
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DandelionPowderman
I could understand that the officially released track counts, both for free listening and the subscription part of YouTube Music. But streaming of a track that some bloke uploaded to ("the old") YouTube, does that really count?
No, only officially released/authoritized tracks are counted (funny to think how much of any music listened in YouTube actually is not counted...).
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DandelionPowderman
I could understand that the officially released track counts, both for free listening and the subscription part of YouTube Music. But streaming of a track that some bloke uploaded to ("the old") YouTube, does that really count?
No, only officially released/authoritized tracks are counted (funny to think how much of any music listened in YouTube actually is not counted...).
Hmm.. I just calculated that with its 4 264 000 free views in YouTube now the video of "Living In A Ghost Town" has earned The Stones an incredible sum of $2 942 now...(Bill, are you paying attention?)... That equals around 7100 sold copies by the UK logic of calculating streaming... That is to say that just watching free YouTube video won't make the Stones rich men or take their song to the top of the charts...
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After getting two new Dylan songs in like two weeks, I said jokingly to a friend that this may be a way for the Stones to take too. So I was very pleased to hear LIVING IN A GHOST TOWN and I like it a lot, especially for Micks very strong harmonica parts, just like he did on the Blues album!
While I have been very critical concerning a new album and still am, this shows me that there is something left. Something for me surprisingly fresh and unique, something only the Rolling Stones can achieve in a beliwvable way. I took the oportunity to go back to some of their records I don't play that much. One of those is LYL (yes I know it's a live álbum) and hearing that powerful "Happy" there, made me think that this kind of performance was unique a the time as well and maybe wouldn't have worked later and even less before (Ron Wood really was a great new companion at this time).
So I kind of got the insight that every time has its energy and style and that there is no use in comparing. So I think I can enjoy LIAGT (sorry for that) just like I would have any other new song in the respective moment.
Because it shows what the Band is doing right now and what they like playing.
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Somebody is making money already
The Rolling Stones - Living In A Ghost Town (4:05)
Universal Music Group
Catalog number - none
Advanced US CD-R Promo
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WARNING!!!
I have no idea where it came from. I just found the offer online. The price, as you understand, is ridiculous. I sincerely believe this CD-R is a fake.
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Stoneage
Listened to it again. The intro is horrible. And the verse and choruses too. I like Keith's guitar fills though. There's the Stones touch. That's about it.
I seem to have developed almost an antipathy towards Sir Michael's singing these days. It's overloaded and blithering.
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Listened to it again. The intro is horrible. And the verse and choruses too. I like Keith's guitar fills though. There's the Stones touch. That's about it.
I seem to have developed almost an antipathy towards Sir Michael's singing these days. It's overloaded and blithering.
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I like Keith
I seem to have developed almost an antipathy towards Sir Michael
Fixed it
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ironbelly
The Rolling Stones - Living In A Ghost Town (4:05)
Universal Music Group
Catalog number - none
Advanced US CD-R Promo
For Promotional Use Only - Not For Sale
WARNING!!!
I have no idea where it came from. I just found the offer online. The price, as you understand, is ridiculous. I sincerely believe this CD-R is a fake.
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I get why they're not very interested in releasing new material. It's very hard work for very little money. The can do 1 show and earn a million bucks.
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iraq0708Lots of CD singles and colored vinyl 10" one-sided vinyl on ebay now--at RIDICULOUS prices....and some say release date in June...Quote
ironbelly
Somebody is making money already
The Rolling Stones - Living In A Ghost Town (4:05)
Universal Music Group
Catalog number - none
Advanced US CD-R Promo
For Promotional Use Only - Not For Sale
WARNING!!!
I have no idea where it came from. I just found the offer online. The price, as you understand, is ridiculous. I sincerely believe this CD-R is a fake.
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I get why they're not very interested in releasing new material. It's very hard work for very little money. The can do 1 show and earn a million bucks.
Bricklaying is hard work. Concrete laying is hard yards.
Being a Doctor is hard work.
School Teaching, Fire Dept workers, Police...etc
THAT is hard work.
Noodling around in a recording studio, fully catered for, is NOT HARD work.
As ARTISTS they should not only enjoy but relish their ability to CREATE something. If it's good/great, release it. DO THEY NEED the money? Nope. Are they getting on? Yes. Like ME. Guys, just get on with it that "new" album....
Fantastic post Doxa , your insight is 100% true . The Stones do what they do because it's in there blood , there DNA . Do I have unrealistic expectations for them ? of course I do . I am happy that we still have the Stones and they still have there health and we have all grown older together and we still get to enjoy them when they tour and come around to our neck of the woods . This is truly a blessing for the fans , and that's exactly where the Stones give to us so generously ! Yes we always gripe that we want the new album , and the new single is so awesome to have a brand spanking new song and also lets not forget the recent performance of YCAGWYW , which for me personally is always an Epiphany because it's like I still see and hear them getting it done and each time after a layoff when they come back it just sends a jolt of adrenaline shooting thru my veins into my heart and soul that we still have the Greatest Rock and Roll Band in the World , and they still are performing at the high level that they always have . Yes the Stones are older and so are we , and at the same time I don't have the same energy level I did 20 years ago and the same for the Stones , but when that red Light goes on the Stones still deliver at the highest level and that is the miracle that gives us so much Joy . I forgot to add that when we gripe about no new album since ABB in 2005 , the Stones still grace us with Vault releases and such for instance like the super great Blue and Lonesome album , that I myself never thought in a million years would they grace us with an album full of Blues treasures , and it really is a tremendous effort from the Stones , and yes I know all to well that the Stones could record a blues album like that in there sleep without even trying too hard as it truly is in there wheelhouse so to speak , but yet they still shocked and surprised me that I never expected an album full of blues standards/treasures . If that single act is not a straight up gift to the fans from the Glimmer Twins nothing is ! Thank You Mick, Keith , Charlie , and Ronnie , and please stay healthy and stay safe as best as you canQuote
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I get why they're not very interested in releasing new material. It's very hard work for very little money. The can do 1 show and earn a million bucks.
Bricklaying is hard work. Concrete laying is hard yards.
Being a Doctor is hard work.
School Teaching, Fire Dept workers, Police...etc
THAT is hard work.
Noodling around in a recording studio, fully catered for, is NOT HARD work.
As ARTISTS they should not only enjoy but relish their ability to CREATE something. If it's good/great, release it. DO THEY NEED the money? Nope. Are they getting on? Yes. Like ME. Guys, just get on with it that "new" album....
I get your point, but the people at those professions you mention supposedly are not really "working hard" at their late seventies. They should be happily retired.
But being an artist is a bitch sometimes. It is easy when one is full of energy and passion and inspired. Then meeting deadlines, getting your shit done is maybe even a piece of cake. Working hard goes with it. But while you are not, it really gets tough to get your shit done, to get your supper. Then it really is 'hard work'. Probably not physically, but mentally.
I think the way Mick and the Stones work these days is that they simply do and only do what they enjoy doing. They don't need to, but they can if they feel like. They don't need to 'work hard' (unless there is a tour) - and it really looks like that they avoid all the situations that might be unpleasent for them. They have all the luxury for that. I think Jagger especially is the one who simply loves what he is doing, no matter what it is. As he many times have stated he enjoys song-writing. Not that his career depends on that - that it is all up to your next single or album. Or that it is asked from him to 'say' something as an artist (or like he 'owes' something for someone like his fans as seems to be the mindset sometimes here). No, just because that's what he likes and it is not 'hard' for him to do. Probably only thing he actually is working hard is to keep his instrument - his body and voice - fit (that's probably the necessary condition for being "Mick Jagger"). Keith seems to be a pure bohemian artist - he really don't do anything if there is not a real inspiration. He probably never has done anything in his life unless there is an inner call for that. He never make a school mommy happy or work for the boss every night and day. No any routine in creative for him. With that non-Lutherian attitude I don't think it is not any surprise that he's been rather lazy creatively for the last decades and just enjoyed being "Keith Richards"... I mean, he can spend years in 'developing' one riff, and that's alright, one cannot force antennas... I guess the only thing he works hard nowadays is to stay clean...
These dudes are lucky bastards - but they've worked hard to get there.
- Doxa