Tell Me :
Talk
THAT vaccine already exists ... Gimme Shelter ... play it loud!
You believe in the rhetoric of Trump
I’m sorry to say at best you’ve been conned.
Nate
THE AGE --- 16 April 2020
ROCKMAN
In case you haven’t noticed you still have commercial jets flying around the states.Please explain how the decision to let this continue is saving thousands of lives.
Nate
THE AUSTRALIAN --- 16 April 2020
ROCKMAN
See ya to the thread, stick with the board
Ive always personally choosen where I get my news from, for the past 30 years... and it wasn’t music boards.....
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There are about 640,000 infected in the US right now. That means that the pandemic is unstoppable and all that you are arguing about is that the thousands that have died that might still be alive this week will end up dying next week.
Flattening the curve or not, offsetting the timing of the curve by a week or two or not, we were still going to end up in fundamentally the same place where we are right now.
So it's almost a moot point to bash Trump over his and his medical expert's past execution, it was not really going to fundamentally change anything. What counts now is the State's and the Federal Government's and the President's execution today and going forward.
A bit of misinformation but kind of on the right track: it didn't stop people from China coming to the US. It also didn't stop people without symptoms. The "halt" as you put it was only half way through January and only at airports in 3 cities.
Trump was notified but did nothing until later. So, you can do the usual moronic flag waving 'you liberals' tripe - it doesn't matter.
Which translates to your opinion is wrong.
Just factin'.
Ah yes. He doesn’t worry about his worth. And he tells HIS VERSION of the truth:
Fact Check: Has Trump declared bankruptcy four or six times?
“You’ve taken business bankruptcies six times.”
–Hillary Clinton
“On occasion – four times – we used certain laws that are there.”
–Donald Trump
THE FACT CHECKER | Clinton is correct.
Trump’s companies have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, which means a company can remain in business while wiping away many of its debts. The bankruptcy court ultimately approves a corporate budget and a plan to repay remaining debts; often shareholders lose much of their equity.
Trump’s Taj Mahal opened in April 1990 in Atlantic City, but six months later, “defaulted on interest payments to bondholders as his finances went into a tailspin,” The Washington Post’s Robert O’Harrow found. In July 1991, Trump’s Taj Mahal filed for bankruptcy. He could not keep up with debts on two other Atlantic City casinos, and those two properties declared bankruptcy in 1992. A fourth property, the Plaza Hotel in New York, declared bankruptcy in 1992 after amassing debt.
PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004, after accruing about $1.8 billion in debt. Trump Entertainment Resorts also declared bankruptcy in 2009, after being hit hard during the 2008 recession.
Why the discrepancy? Perhaps this will give us an idea: Trump told Washington Post reporters that he counted the first three bankruptcies as just one.
These 6 Chapter 11’s protected HIS worth at the expense of everyone else, often the “little people” to whom he owed monies. And yes, I know it’s the law in the US.
Rod
Yet they continue to use them for fact checking hahaha.
100% untrue.
I seriously doubt that will ever happen any time soon in the USA. The hatred is that deep. Imagine that. And it didn’t start in 2016 but has been bubbling beneath the surface since the 2000 election. Came above ground in 2008 and is close to a breaking point now.
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I certainly find China's numbers VERY hard to believe. No way!!
But....they acted. They stopped travel and locked down HARD on cities.
Rod
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Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
georgie48
()
Date: April 16, 2020 00:20
Quote
Rollin' Stoner
need a vaccine for Trump Derangement Syndrome
THAT vaccine already exists ... Gimme Shelter ... play it loud!
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
mickschix
()
Date: April 16, 2020 00:25
Sorry MILEHIGH but I think you're opinion of trump is borderline FAIRYTALE. I know that we are all entitled to have opinions but as the saying goes " one cannot have an opinion on the truth"...the facts do not favor placing trump in any kind of favorable light...not even a little bit. To say your opinion on him is generous is well, generous...and I dare say not truthful. I also think that the Federal Government was established to oversee things in cases such as a pandemic, to be the guiding force, to distribute aid etc and certainly not to start a bidding war among the states. The crap that is going on now where individual states are competing & trying to outbid each other in order to secure necessary equipment is frankly sinful..no other leader would have ever allowed such a circus. I think " incompetent fool" is just the very tip of the iceberg if one were searching for descriptive words for trump. I can think of perhaps a few hundred other words but they are not suitable for this forum. I certainly will not be argumentative here because BV has so graciously allowed us to vent ... there are limits to what can be expressed for the sake of PEACE! Just say that I think your opinion of trump is not one widely shared here on IORR.
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
Nate
()
Date: April 16, 2020 00:34
Quote
MileHigh
For some people Trump can't do anything right at all. They go to extremes and claim that all that he cares about is his net worth or being reelected. Seriously, when you are a billionaire you really don't have to worry about your net worth. There is no doubt in my mind that any modern American president is sincerely trying to do his best for the people of the United States. So for me personally, when the rhetoric gets too extreme I tend to tune the poster out and their real message is lost on me.
President Trump has done a lot of great things for America. Until two months ago America was booming and unemployment was way down. Many people were very happy with the way things had been going for the past three years.
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? That's the kind of thing you are looking at when it comes to arguing about dates for the implementation of various policies to combat the coronavirus. There is no point in arguing over +/- 'x' weeks when you have 20-20 hindsight.
President Trump is not perfect and he is certainly not some compulsively lying monster out to make the life of the average American miserable. That kind of flavor of rhetoric is totally ridiculous.
Sometimes he is blunt and he speaks the truth in an Old School way. Considering that at the end of President Obama's second term people were arguing about who was allowed to go into girl's bathrooms, it can be quite refreshing to see him be blunt and speak the truth. The straitjacket of political correctness is fatiguing and it can often extend to the point that it is totally counter-productive. Look at some movie from the 1970s as an example. You will see people in benign conversations talking about ordinary life that often would be totally unacceptable in this day and age. Ordinary mundane conversations that in this day and age would result in people losing their jobs. To paraphrase George Carlin, "'handicapped' became 'physically challenged' which became 'differently enabled'". For many people President Trump speaks the truth and can be blunt at times and many people respect that, warts and all.
I am pretty sure that in America public health and health policy is a State responsibility. The Federal Government is there to overview and provide support if needed, and deal with national health issues and help with resource allocation when needed like now when there is an emergency. Time will tell how President Trump and the Federal health advisers and the individual States handled this crisis. Yes, there were a few stumbles but overall I think history will give them a passing grade. But President Trump is NOT some kind of incompetent fool when it comes to this crisis like some of you are trying to portray in your spin zone.
You believe in the rhetoric of Trump
I’m sorry to say at best you’ve been conned.
Nate
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
Midnight Toker
()
Date: April 16, 2020 00:44
Trump was labeled a racist by Democrats when he halted all incoming air flights from China when he did.
This act alone saved thousands of lives. Sorry liberals,Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting the best of you.
This act alone saved thousands of lives. Sorry liberals,Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting the best of you.
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
DaveG
()
Date: April 16, 2020 00:44
bv, thank you for opening up this topic and yet moderating it.
I have lived in the USA all my life, growing up in Los Angeles. I have never voted along party lines. I have always voted for the person that I thought would make the best president.In 2016, we had, in my opinion, the word possible 2 choices for president. It was really tough to make a decision. Trump has proven to be all that we thought he was: a childish, petulant, vengeful, self-centered egomaniac. He cares for nobody but himself, he is driven by the need to "win" and he will never be empathetic to anybody. Thus, his handling of the pandemic is driven by those same things. Everything he does and says is calculated against his need to be right and to be reelected. Yesterday, when he declared his ultimate authority over the individual states, it was again obvious that he is entirely unfamiliar with our constitution. A month or so ago, he made jokes about the virus just going away, "like a miracle", smiling. I could not help but believe that he had been listening to his wacko "spiritual advisor". But this virus has slapped him square in the face. He is not handling it well. I have never seen a president so angry, so combative with the press (the press are no group of innocents, by the way). We need a leader who can do what is best FOR THE COUNTRY. We are also part of the global community, so we need to work together as the human race. For the record, I'd be in favor of a female president, not because she is a female, but because she would be the best candidate.
Here in the state of Washington, the epicenter, the nursing home, caused us to implement social distancing and a shutdown right away, and it seems to have proven to be effective.
I hope we can all be patient and do our individual part to keep this thing from spreading further. Best wishes to you all.
I have lived in the USA all my life, growing up in Los Angeles. I have never voted along party lines. I have always voted for the person that I thought would make the best president.In 2016, we had, in my opinion, the word possible 2 choices for president. It was really tough to make a decision. Trump has proven to be all that we thought he was: a childish, petulant, vengeful, self-centered egomaniac. He cares for nobody but himself, he is driven by the need to "win" and he will never be empathetic to anybody. Thus, his handling of the pandemic is driven by those same things. Everything he does and says is calculated against his need to be right and to be reelected. Yesterday, when he declared his ultimate authority over the individual states, it was again obvious that he is entirely unfamiliar with our constitution. A month or so ago, he made jokes about the virus just going away, "like a miracle", smiling. I could not help but believe that he had been listening to his wacko "spiritual advisor". But this virus has slapped him square in the face. He is not handling it well. I have never seen a president so angry, so combative with the press (the press are no group of innocents, by the way). We need a leader who can do what is best FOR THE COUNTRY. We are also part of the global community, so we need to work together as the human race. For the record, I'd be in favor of a female president, not because she is a female, but because she would be the best candidate.
Here in the state of Washington, the epicenter, the nursing home, caused us to implement social distancing and a shutdown right away, and it seems to have proven to be effective.
I hope we can all be patient and do our individual part to keep this thing from spreading further. Best wishes to you all.
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: April 16, 2020 00:45
With all the links to CNN here (clearly a left leaning propaganda machine), might as well relabel this the CNN thread.
Not sure this experimental thread will work here bv, but I guess it can't hurt to see what happens, though I see it's already causing division amongst members here.
And with that sentiment I will bow out of this thread as gracefully as possible before it inevitably implodes into chaos. Good luck.
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Not sure this experimental thread will work here bv, but I guess it can't hurt to see what happens, though I see it's already causing division amongst members here.
And with that sentiment I will bow out of this thread as gracefully as possible before it inevitably implodes into chaos. Good luck.
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
bleedingman
()
Date: April 16, 2020 00:51
Politics on iorr? Who'd have thought? Sorry to see this but obviously the Man disagrees so have at it. See ya.
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
mickschix
()
Date: April 16, 2020 00:55
I don't see all-out war breaking out here because everyone is being very civilized in expressing views on both sides. Yes, it is going to be interesting. I hope we can keep it within the boundaries of civility so it can continue. So with THAT, let me say to HAIRBALL that Fox News has been the network labeled " the Propaganda NetworK'... by ALL news sources...funny how that happened.
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: April 16, 2020 00:57
THE AGE --- 16 April 2020
ROCKMAN
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
SomeGuy
()
Date: April 16, 2020 01:04
BV, maybe you should change the topic to 'Trump', as that's what on most people's minds here, apparently.
(This used to be the EUROPEAN Rolling Stones fan club btw, but hey.)
Pat Condell's view on China's politics:
[www.youtube.com]
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(This used to be the EUROPEAN Rolling Stones fan club btw, but hey.)
Pat Condell's view on China's politics:
[www.youtube.com]
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Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
shadooby
()
Date: April 16, 2020 01:11
WHO = China puppets...They believed China when China said "I'm not pissing on your leg, It's raining." From a lifelong Independent...THANK YOU MR TRUMP FOR STANDING FOR AMERICA!!!
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
Nate
()
Date: April 16, 2020 01:11
Quote
Midnight Toker
Trump was labeled a racist by Democrats when he halted all incoming air flights from China when he did.
This act alone saved thousands of lives. Sorry liberals,Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting the best of you.
In case you haven’t noticed you still have commercial jets flying around the states.Please explain how the decision to let this continue is saving thousands of lives.
Nate
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: April 16, 2020 01:29
THE AUSTRALIAN --- 16 April 2020
ROCKMAN
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
mickschix
()
Date: April 16, 2020 01:33
Midnight Toker, I actually thought most Democrats approved of closing off incoming flights from China. The problem was what he didn't do AFTER THAT. It's obvious to me that with SO MANY voicing negative views on trump's performance the question becomes " WHY IS THAT?" Can it be that the overwhelming facts are that he messed up so bad that thousands have died that might still be alive had a fast, effective sane approach been applied that was not political but rather practical. I was just watching local news here in Massachusetts and the station ended the broadcast by showing who had died recently...doctors, nurses, people that society desperately needs to keep us alive. It made my eyes fill up...these people gave up their lives trying to save others. I know you've all seen similar stories. One can overlook when a politician makes a mistake on policy, something that is not of such consequence...but when we KNOW that because of pure ignorance our neighbors, friends, and especially folks that live below the poverty line have died for no good reason, it is simply NOT excusable.
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
Paddy
()
Date: April 16, 2020 01:58
Quote
bleedingman
Politics on iorr? Who'd have thought? Sorry to see this but obviously the Man disagrees so have at it. See ya.
See ya to the thread, stick with the board
Ive always personally choosen where I get my news from, for the past 30 years... and it wasn’t music boards.....
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Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
MileHigh
()
Date: April 16, 2020 02:07
Quote
mickschix
Midnight Toker: ... Can it be that the overwhelming facts are that he messed up so bad that thousands have died that might still be alive had a fast, effective sane approach been applied that was not political but rather practical.excusable.
There are about 640,000 infected in the US right now. That means that the pandemic is unstoppable and all that you are arguing about is that the thousands that have died that might still be alive this week will end up dying next week.
Flattening the curve or not, offsetting the timing of the curve by a week or two or not, we were still going to end up in fundamentally the same place where we are right now.
So it's almost a moot point to bash Trump over his and his medical expert's past execution, it was not really going to fundamentally change anything. What counts now is the State's and the Federal Government's and the President's execution today and going forward.
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
MileHigh
()
Date: April 16, 2020 02:15
We are fast approaching one in 300 people in America being infected. Sadly, I fear the number is going to get much worse than that. I think any decisions about opening up the US economy again are going to have to wait a few more months.
In the medium term, it might simply have to open up. There are practical limits to doing this. It's like when a small country mobilizes for war. In short order it has to make a move, it can't just sit there poised like a coiled spring and not do anything.
In the medium term, it might simply have to open up. There are practical limits to doing this. It's like when a small country mobilizes for war. In short order it has to make a move, it can't just sit there poised like a coiled spring and not do anything.
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
MonkeyMan2000
()
Date: April 16, 2020 02:26
I take back what I wrote in my first post in this threat. That people might now see behind the russophobia, sinophobia and anti-cuban-sentiments. Maybe I should have restricted that hope to Europe. Now that we have got the Republican vs. Democrat thing going there is no safe way out of this. When do people in America realise that their parties are two sides of the same coin? That big business is above the people and their health for both parties? That Cnn/Msnbc/Fox etc. are all propaganda networks working for the same interests? Talk about Manufacturing Consent, it really hasn‘t lost any of its accuracy. Cnn: #Metoo when handy, but don‘t even dare to talk about it when our guy is doing the grabbing! The same hypocricy goes for the „other“ side. The only hope I get for future American politics observing from Europe is that in this Democratic primary people under the age of 50 overwhelmingly supported policies that might change the big picture. But it was too early.
I am quite thankful that until now party politics haven‘t divided people in Switzerland about the response to the crisis by the government to the extend that such fights break out. Such unity is now needed, not only nationally but globally. It seems like a platitude but now is really not the time for this blame game that has been going on in America. But yeah, China‘s responsible and the WHO is its slave...And if not it‘s Maduro‘s fault!
I am quite thankful that until now party politics haven‘t divided people in Switzerland about the response to the crisis by the government to the extend that such fights break out. Such unity is now needed, not only nationally but globally. It seems like a platitude but now is really not the time for this blame game that has been going on in America. But yeah, China‘s responsible and the WHO is its slave...And if not it‘s Maduro‘s fault!
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
Maindefender
()
Date: April 16, 2020 02:47
BV, if you could transfer my last post on the medical thread here I would appreciate. Thanks for the separation, my hope is this thread will die quickly because we are better than this. But this is the current normal, and dangerously historic.
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: April 16, 2020 02:56
Quote
Midnight Toker
Trump was labeled a racist by Democrats when he halted all incoming air flights from China when he did.
This act alone saved thousands of lives. Sorry liberals,Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting the best of you.
A bit of misinformation but kind of on the right track: it didn't stop people from China coming to the US. It also didn't stop people without symptoms. The "halt" as you put it was only half way through January and only at airports in 3 cities.
Trump was notified but did nothing until later. So, you can do the usual moronic flag waving 'you liberals' tripe - it doesn't matter.
Which translates to your opinion is wrong.
Just factin'.
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
bitusa2012
()
Date: April 16, 2020 03:28
Quote
MileHigh
For some people Trump can't do anything right at all. They go to extremes and claim that all that he cares about is his net worth or being reelected. Seriously, when you are a billionaire you really don't have to worry about your net worth.
Ah yes. He doesn’t worry about his worth. And he tells HIS VERSION of the truth:
Fact Check: Has Trump declared bankruptcy four or six times?
“You’ve taken business bankruptcies six times.”
–Hillary Clinton
“On occasion – four times – we used certain laws that are there.”
–Donald Trump
THE FACT CHECKER | Clinton is correct.
Trump’s companies have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, which means a company can remain in business while wiping away many of its debts. The bankruptcy court ultimately approves a corporate budget and a plan to repay remaining debts; often shareholders lose much of their equity.
Trump’s Taj Mahal opened in April 1990 in Atlantic City, but six months later, “defaulted on interest payments to bondholders as his finances went into a tailspin,” The Washington Post’s Robert O’Harrow found. In July 1991, Trump’s Taj Mahal filed for bankruptcy. He could not keep up with debts on two other Atlantic City casinos, and those two properties declared bankruptcy in 1992. A fourth property, the Plaza Hotel in New York, declared bankruptcy in 1992 after amassing debt.
PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004, after accruing about $1.8 billion in debt. Trump Entertainment Resorts also declared bankruptcy in 2009, after being hit hard during the 2008 recession.
Why the discrepancy? Perhaps this will give us an idea: Trump told Washington Post reporters that he counted the first three bankruptcies as just one.
These 6 Chapter 11’s protected HIS worth at the expense of everyone else, often the “little people” to whom he owed monies. And yes, I know it’s the law in the US.
Rod
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
EddieByword
()
Date: April 16, 2020 03:29
Why is Trump blaming the WHO - They declared a Global emergency on 31st January 2020, [www.bbc.co.uk] , the same day Trump allegedly banned all flights from China. (Although I read 40,000 people still got in after this (I wasn't there to count them all so can't personally verify it).
However, Trump, for a full month after held 6 MAHA rallies (Make America Hate Again) in February ending with one on Monday March 2, 2020 - in Charlotte, NC. potentially spreading the virus like peanut butter and jelly - people used to say of Tony Blair in the early 2000's that trying to get him to take responsibility for anything was like trying to nail a British jelly to a wall .......... slip sliding away all the time..........
Also, if that's not bad enough, about the self congratulation, it's a pretty disgusting, unedifying and embarrassing spectacle watching him licking his own balls on TV every day. (And he has the nerve to call other people dogs- wow)
PS. Trump said his authority "Is total" - I would say, having heard the responses of the State Governors that he got that wrong too,,,,,,more like "His authority has been totalled"..............Some of them had trouble keeping a straight face at his latest absurdities
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However, Trump, for a full month after held 6 MAHA rallies (Make America Hate Again) in February ending with one on Monday March 2, 2020 - in Charlotte, NC. potentially spreading the virus like peanut butter and jelly - people used to say of Tony Blair in the early 2000's that trying to get him to take responsibility for anything was like trying to nail a British jelly to a wall .......... slip sliding away all the time..........
Also, if that's not bad enough, about the self congratulation, it's a pretty disgusting, unedifying and embarrassing spectacle watching him licking his own balls on TV every day. (And he has the nerve to call other people dogs- wow)
PS. Trump said his authority "Is total" - I would say, having heard the responses of the State Governors that he got that wrong too,,,,,,more like "His authority has been totalled"..............Some of them had trouble keeping a straight face at his latest absurdities
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Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
chevysales
()
Date: April 16, 2020 04:03
Quote
Rollin' Stoner
CNN...Fake News...pushed the fake Russian collusion hoax and fake impeachment
Yet they continue to use them for fact checking hahaha.
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
chevysales
()
Date: April 16, 2020 04:05
Quote
Beast
So much for Trump listening to Fauci. Only when it suits him. He's now angling to fire the guy.
100% untrue.
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
chevysales
()
Date: April 16, 2020 04:08
Quote
bv
We need to work positive on this. No need to find political rivals and enemies. I hear governors on both political sides in USA are cooperating. That is the only way forward. If we can not talk nice to each others here, how are we expected to live together in real life in the time to come?
I seriously doubt that will ever happen any time soon in the USA. The hatred is that deep. Imagine that. And it didn’t start in 2016 but has been bubbling beneath the surface since the 2000 election. Came above ground in 2008 and is close to a breaking point now.
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Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
bitusa2012
()
Date: April 16, 2020 04:18
And now apparently Trump holds up relief cheques to millions who need them just so he can get his name over-printed on them all...the first time any president (I refuse to CAPITALISE his presidency) has needed - HE NEEDS- his name on cheques of this ilk, Again, his ego takes precedence over the millions in need.
True leadership....
Rod
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True leadership....
Rod
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-04-16 04:40 by bitusa2012.
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
chevysales
()
Date: April 16, 2020 04:29
Only if you believe Chinas numbers. Not many do it seems except of course Democrat’s and never Trumpers.Quote
S.T.P
China has aproximatly 1 billion more inhabitants than USA. Trump had much more time to prepare for what was comming. Still his administration failed, and ended up having more casualties than China. I think that speak for it self.
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Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
bitusa2012
()
Date: April 16, 2020 04:59
Quote
chevysalesOnly if you believe Chinas numbers. Not many do it seems except of course Democrat’s and never Trumpers.Quote
S.T.P
China has aproximatly 1 billion more inhabitants than USA. Trump had much more time to prepare for what was comming. Still his administration failed, and ended up having more casualties than China. I think that speak for it self.
I certainly find China's numbers VERY hard to believe. No way!!
But....they acted. They stopped travel and locked down HARD on cities.
Rod
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
SKILLS
()
Date: April 16, 2020 05:38
Report from New Zealand
Well we are 22 days into a 28 day level 4 lockdown. I haven't seen a friend or relative in that time, but we all chat daily sometimes twice, my parents have never had so many phone calls, with 4 adult children, 4 spouses, 7 grandchildren and extended family checking in daily, that's been great, we've certainly never spoken this regularly or for the lengths we do.
Next Wednesday we should go to Level 3 which reopens most businesses sans retail, malls, cafes, movie theatres and entertainment venues. Hopefully our restaurant sector is able to open with deliveries and contactless pick up.
We won't have organized Sport until Level 1, sport is a lifeblood for our communities, from childrens Saturday mornings to adults Saturday afternoons, we are missing it, we have not been able to go boating, surfing, swimming or tramping, all of which are activities we take for granted that we can do whenever we wish, Level 3 means we can swim, surf and fish from the beach, but no activities that needs a motor.
Basically we can get food, medicine & petrol, so we are managing to get by. We have had our Civil Defence Organization open a massive foodbank in an Arena, to cater for parts of our population who are struggling financially, we have a considerable social welfare programme but still people and families fall through the cracks.
Hopefully we can be back to an open economy within 2 months, but our tourism industry will shrink considerably, we are looking at creating a regional bubble with Australia as we rely on each other for tourism, but no one from outside these 2 countries will be allowed in until there is a vaccine.
Sadly our German and English friends who visit in huge numbers each year will be excluded.
And our relationship with China, which has been longstanding and significant will change considerably, they tour here in huge numbers, that's off the table, their students study here in large numbers, that's done, and we export huge amounts of dairy products and lumber, NZ will look to new markets for sure.
We luckily have one of the worlds leading medical device manufacturers in Fisher & Paykel Healthcare who build among other items, a worldclass ventilator, this has allowed us to leverage these items in return for PPE, so thankfully we have this supply chain, and we are along with Australia and the USA reviewing all current sourcing agreements with the Chinese Communist Party.
Times are changing, Globalization has proven foolish in allowing critical items to be monopolised by regimes hostile to the West, for a few dollars extra we have allowed ourselves to be compromised.
Bring back local manufacturing, i don't care if the T-Shirt costs $10 at H&M as opposed to $7
Well we are 22 days into a 28 day level 4 lockdown. I haven't seen a friend or relative in that time, but we all chat daily sometimes twice, my parents have never had so many phone calls, with 4 adult children, 4 spouses, 7 grandchildren and extended family checking in daily, that's been great, we've certainly never spoken this regularly or for the lengths we do.
Next Wednesday we should go to Level 3 which reopens most businesses sans retail, malls, cafes, movie theatres and entertainment venues. Hopefully our restaurant sector is able to open with deliveries and contactless pick up.
We won't have organized Sport until Level 1, sport is a lifeblood for our communities, from childrens Saturday mornings to adults Saturday afternoons, we are missing it, we have not been able to go boating, surfing, swimming or tramping, all of which are activities we take for granted that we can do whenever we wish, Level 3 means we can swim, surf and fish from the beach, but no activities that needs a motor.
Basically we can get food, medicine & petrol, so we are managing to get by. We have had our Civil Defence Organization open a massive foodbank in an Arena, to cater for parts of our population who are struggling financially, we have a considerable social welfare programme but still people and families fall through the cracks.
Hopefully we can be back to an open economy within 2 months, but our tourism industry will shrink considerably, we are looking at creating a regional bubble with Australia as we rely on each other for tourism, but no one from outside these 2 countries will be allowed in until there is a vaccine.
Sadly our German and English friends who visit in huge numbers each year will be excluded.
And our relationship with China, which has been longstanding and significant will change considerably, they tour here in huge numbers, that's off the table, their students study here in large numbers, that's done, and we export huge amounts of dairy products and lumber, NZ will look to new markets for sure.
We luckily have one of the worlds leading medical device manufacturers in Fisher & Paykel Healthcare who build among other items, a worldclass ventilator, this has allowed us to leverage these items in return for PPE, so thankfully we have this supply chain, and we are along with Australia and the USA reviewing all current sourcing agreements with the Chinese Communist Party.
Times are changing, Globalization has proven foolish in allowing critical items to be monopolised by regimes hostile to the West, for a few dollars extra we have allowed ourselves to be compromised.
Bring back local manufacturing, i don't care if the T-Shirt costs $10 at H&M as opposed to $7
Re: Politics in the Coronavirus COVID-19 days
Posted by:
Javadave
()
Date: April 16, 2020 05:54
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You don't worry about the things that you used to be
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You're the easiest lay on the White House lawn
Get out of my life, don’t look back.
You don't worry about the things that you used to be
You're a rag-trade girl, you're the queen of porn
You're the easiest lay on the White House lawn
Get out of my life, don’t look back.
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