Hello!

regarding Half Speed Master technique, see this link.
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Miles Showell explanation

The 10 albums are also sold as a "bundle" which makes the double albums a little cheaper.
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It seems that the release date is now delayed until 26th June 2020 - [www.Amazon.com] - [www.jpc.de] .

So... ARE these the same masters as in the last box set????

Rod

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So... ARE these the same masters as in the last box set????

[Store.uDiscoverMusic.com] - "Every album was remastered & cut at revelatory Half-Speed at Abbey Road Studios" .

Why should they remaster the Albums again when they were already remastered two years ago? - [www.uDiscoverMusic.com] .

Its all about marketing and attempting to find an unlimited market for limited resources. In other words: just because they could, and you will be likely to buy.

jb

Why should they remaster the Albums again when they were already remastered two years ago?

Create employment ????



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Create employment ????

And a cash cow - buying Remasters until they fit for the ears ....

I know we all love this band on this board but they do like fleecing us hardcore fans, for which they have a track record. These half speed masters will be of no interest to casual fans and to be honest no interest to me. I'm sticking with my original vinyl copies recorded to the best possible quality at the time of release and that's good enough for me.

If you want me to open my wallet, give us some bonus material!

Anyone going to ape about the fact that these vinyl LPs are being cut from a digital master, which makes it completely pointless regarding sound quality?

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I'm sticking with my original vinyl copies recorded to the best possible quality at the time of release and that's good enough for me.

The 2018 remaster of 'A Bigger Bang' should sound better than the original ....

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Anyone going to ape about the fact that these vinyl LPs are being cut from a digital master, which makes it completely pointless regarding sound quality?

The digital masters are partly in DSD-format (like on SACD). Vinyl sounds better than SACD?

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Anyone going to ape about the fact that these vinyl LPs are being cut from a digital master, which makes it completely pointless regarding sound quality?

The digital masters are partly in DSD-format (like on SACD). Vinyl sounds better than SACD?

HA HA! Eh, well, for the people that are strictly into the analog idea, from what I understand, that is a huge difference.

I personally don't know. I don't think I've ever listened to a vinyl LP from a digital recording.

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I personally don't know. I don't think I've ever listened to a vinyl LP from a digital recording.

So no latter day Stones-Albums? Miles Showell from Abbey Road said: "two or three of the later albums are digital recordings" -- [iorr.org] .

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I personally don't know. I don't think I've ever listened to a vinyl LP from a digital recording.

So no latter day Stones-Albums? Miles Showell from Abbey Road said: "two or three of the later albums are digital recordings" -- [iorr.org] .

Ehhhhh, I don't think so. Only CD.

I recall Keith talking about tapes with BRIDGES so... STEEL WHEELS was digital. VOODOO? We know A BIGGER BANG was.

The last Stones vinyl album I bought was STEEL WHEELS. Although I'm not positive, I'd have to look through my vinyl collection. In fact, it may be the actual last vinyl album I bought. Haven't had a turntable for decades now.

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Anyone going to ape about the fact that these vinyl LPs are being cut from a digital master, which makes it completely pointless regarding sound quality?

The digital masters are partly in DSD-format (like on SACD). Vinyl sounds better than SACD?

HA HA! Eh, well, for the people that are strictly into the analog idea, from what I understand, that is a huge difference.

I personally don't know. I don't think I've ever listened to a vinyl LP from a digital recording.

I switched back to vinyl last year. Because of the bigger sleeves and the warmer sound. Yes, I do think the vinyl sounds warmer (to my ears) than the (too) clean and sharp cd. I suppose you could make the cd sound the same with some tube preamp. I also like that for example ABB is now 4x 15 mins slices (appr.) instead of one one hour cake. Makes it more listenable. And the ABB vinyl (from the box set) has a far more ear friendly mastering than the brickwalled cd.

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So... ARE these the same masters as in the last box set????

[Store.uDiscoverMusic.com] - "Every album was remastered & cut at revelatory Half-Speed at Abbey Road Studios" .

Why should they remaster the Albums again when they were already remastered two years ago? - [www.uDiscoverMusic.com] .

Hello,

If I am understanding well the subject, these are exactly the same Half Speed Remasters as in the BoxSet, but, this time, you can order the LP´s separately, not having to buy the complete boxset.



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Anyone going to ape about the fact that these vinyl LPs are being cut from a digital master, which makes it completely pointless regarding sound quality?

The digital masters are partly in DSD-format (like on SACD). Vinyl sounds better than SACD?

HA HA! Eh, well, for the people that are strictly into the analog idea, from what I understand, that is a huge difference.

I personally don't know. I don't think I've ever listened to a vinyl LP from a digital recording.

I switched back to vinyl last year. Because of the bigger sleeves and the warmer sound. Yes, I do think the vinyl sounds warmer (to my ears) than the (too) clean and sharp cd. I suppose you could make the cd sound the same with some tube preamp. I also like that for example ABB is now 4x 15 mins slices (appr.) instead of one one hour cake. Makes it more listenable. And the ABB vinyl (from the box set) has a far more ear friendly mastering than the brickwalled cd.

That's a great point, about A BIGGER BANG: although vinyl can be brickwalled from the input signal, it's impossible to literally brickwall a vinyl disc because the needle would not play.

Has it been posted? Finally the half speed masters at a decent price.

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Has it been posted?

Yes, multiple times: [iorr.org] , [iorr.org] , [iorr.org] .

New release date seems to be now 26-Jun-2020.

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Has it been posted?

Yes, multiple times: [iorr.org] , [iorr.org] , [iorr.org] .

New release date seems to be now 26-Jun-2020.

I don't get why some people here are so miserable about Stones publishing stuff. Don't buy it if you don't want it. I do want Voodoo Lounge on vinyl but didn't want to buy the box. So I have a good reason to buy it.

I have both Sticky Fingers and Some Girls Original Masters from MFSL.
I think they sound much better than the CD's I have purchased.


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Just google and you'll get the answer.
I like this one the best

"A lot of the Mobile Fidelity "Original Master Recordings (OMR)" LP's, use to come with sheets that described the process in great depth and detail.

There are still many professionals who will still argue that "Half Speed Mastering", was/is nothing more than a marketing gimmick, much like the Gold as opposed to Aluminum CD theory. It still comes down to the mastering. A poorly mastered album is still going to sound bad, Speed, or no Half Speed."[/quote]

The bottom line with these is that , assuming they are the same as the ones in the boxed set, they are on the whole very good.

Do the ones from the earlier albums in the series better or even equal the original analogue pressings ?

No they don't ...but they are probably the best vinyl reissues of all these albums to have been commissioned in the digital age... and for the later recorded albums which were digital from the outset, these remasters are arguably superior to the original releases.

ABB is definitely the star of the show...with far less compression than the horrendously brick walled original...it sounds like a different and far better album from start to finish.

I'd have loved these to have been available individually from the outset because there are a few of the earlier releases I wouldn't have bothered with .

But I've never regretted springing for the boxed set and would recommend these releases to anyone looking for decent vinyl editions.

Everybody with a turntable should buy the ABB ...because if you haven't heard this Miles Showell cut version...you haven't heard ABB.



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The bottom line with these is that , assuming they are the same as the ones in the boxed set, they are on the whole very good.

Do the earlier ones better or even equal the original analogue pressings ?

No they don't ...but they are probably the best vinyl reissues of all these albums... to have been commissioned in the digital age and the ones which were digital from the outset are arguably superior to the original releases.

ABB is definitely the star of the show...with far less compression than the horrendously brick walled original...it sounds like a different and far better album from start to finish.

I'd have loved these to have been available individually from the outset because there are a few of the earlier releases I wouldn't have bothered with .

But I've never regretted springing for the boxed set and would recommend these releases to anyone looking for decent vinyl editions.

Everybody with a turntable should buy the ABB ...because if you haven't heard this Miles Showell cut version...you haven't heard ABB.

ABB star of the show? That's the big question for me. Did you compare the original vinyl and the half speed mastered if there is an improvement?
The original vinyl was more enjoyable then the cd. So another step in soundquality would be welcome..
To all the moaners: you can hear a difference in soundquality if you take a half speed mastered vinyl (like the first Abbey Road master of Exile some year ago) ,
BUT you need a decent HiFi system. With a cheaper one or an old one you won`t hear any differences. With a decent modern HiFi System the differences in soundstage, clarity and details are obvious, some more some less.

Tom

Interesting points Tom.

Yes I agree...the better the HiFi system the more obvious some of these variances are.

(Indeed, the whole rationale of high compression brick wall mastering is to cater for the lowest common denominator of low quality and/or portable playback equipment.)

I'd also agree that the original ABB release on vinyl sounded better than the CD...[which for me is almost a given ]

But the new Miles Showell master is far less compressed , with a much more natural dynamic range and the resulting far more musical sound and feel.

Exile is also a very interesting case.

The earlier Abbey Road remaster of Exile from a few years ago was impressive in terms of clarity but remained overly loud, compressed and "in yer face" sounding. The one in the boxed set, possibly also from a different flat digital transfer, was mastered at lower levels but, again, with a much more natural dynamic range which makes for a far more musical result.

Are either as good an original analogue mastering & pressing ? No...but there's little point in getting into the jaded old analogue versus digital debate.

Even the real Luddites amongst us [like me] would admit that we no longer have original analogue masters in good enough condition to use for remastering projects. We have to use the digital transfers whether we like it or not.

The good news is that folks like Miles Showell have proven that we can produce decent sounding re-issues and that, in the absence of a pristine original pressing...all is not lost

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Interesting points Tom.

Yes I agree...the better the HiFi system the more obvious some of these variances are.

(Indeed, the whole rationale of high compression brick wall mastering is to cater for the lowest common denominator of low quality and/or portable playback equipment.)

I'd also agree that the original ABB release on vinyl sounded better than the CD...[which for me is almost a given ]

But the new Miles Showell master is far less compressed , with a much more natural dynamic range and the resulting far more musical sound and feel.

Exile is also a very interesting case.

The earlier Abbey Road remaster of Exile from a few years ago was impressive in terms of clarity but remained overly loud, compressed and "in yer face" sounding. The one in the boxed set, possibly also from a different flat digital transfer, was mastered at lower levels but, again, with a much more natural dynamic range which makes for a far more musical result.

Are either as good an original analogue mastering & pressing ? No...but there's little point in getting into the jaded old analogue versus digital debate.

Even the real Luddites amongst us [like me] would admit that we no longer have original analogue masters in good enough condition to use for remastering projects. We have to use the digital transfers whether we like it or not.

The good news is that folks like Miles Showell have proven that we can produce decent sounding re-issues and that, in the absence of a pristine original pressing...all is not lost

That sounds promising,Spud. One day I`ll give it a try. I`m curiuos now
For my ears the first Exile Abbey Road HSM didn`t sound so "in your face" . And most important they kept the muddy character/athmosphere of the original record. At least on my stereo system ..But I`ve read that they did another even better halfspeed mastering. Fun to explore...

Tom

I have two favourite pressings of Exile.

One is my original 1972 "Artisan" pressing and the other a late 70's German Electrola labelled cut.

The original rocks more than any other, with huge but natural dynamics and a sparkling top end . The Electrola mastering is softer and sweeter sounding...a bit less energy but allows you to hear into that murky mix and follow the low level stuff with great ease.

(I sort of keep the original for dancin' and the Electrola for thinkin' )

I think Blue and Lonesome on CD is way way louder than even ABB!!!

Yes, B&L is annoying !.

It's over compressed & cut too loudly on vinyl also.

...and it's the only album in the Abbey Road set that wasn't remastered .
Apparently they just used the original metalwork.

I've wondered why it wasn't reworked . Maybe because it was such are recent release at the time... and the project personnel didn't want to tread on any toes with implied criticism of the original job ?

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