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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: May 14, 2020 14:33

That's pretty universal now, Chris

Personally I do not generally curse in public. Especially NOT with co-workers. When driving it is impossible for me not to curse at careless drivers - Now that is an entirely different category, which I cannot explain as another suspension from forum would not be favorable. Best policy in public is not to be insolent to anyone.



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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: stickyfingers101 ()
Date: May 14, 2020 15:01

Yeah....Wear Ya MASK!


[www.washingtonpost.com]

[www.miamiherald.com]


gnarly, dude.


....and don't forget to Wash Ya Hands!

oh...and somebody mentioned the hard-of-hearing and the problem masks create....here's a good step forward!

[www.theclearmask.com]


Wear Ya Mask!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-05-14 15:05 by stickyfingers101.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: stickyfingers101 ()
Date: May 14, 2020 15:12

Here's what happens in Russia when ya don't Wear Ya Mask!

[img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net]

Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) officers detain a man in front of a supermarket in Moscow after city authorities made it mandatory to wear gloves and a mask in pubic places

I'm no fan of Police Beat-Downs, but reasonable, consistent and vigilant enforcement is necessary...b/c humans are the worst.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bv ()
Date: May 14, 2020 15:24

Replace "Corona virus" with "Ebola" or "SARS". How dangerous should a virus be before you follow the advice from health experts? Fatality rate 1%? 70% 11%?

Bjornulf

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: May 14, 2020 15:36

Quote
Chris Fountain
Sometimes "Bullshit" can be used in a derogatory manner. For example, If a referee makes a questionable call in a sporting event - one may shout "Bullshit!!!" although delivery may not mean any malice to recipient. It happens a lot.


The most common slang, however, these days in America is "He or She is Full of Shit"

Good points about the actual use of a term 'bullshitting' in American way of life.

But some general points. And I speak bullshitting only in the context of someone talking it.

For a 'general theory' of bullshitting (haha) it is no matter what is the intent of a speaker, since bullshit is bullshit. Why it is said and what does it serve/is gained by it doesn't matter. Even that of the speaker being awere of him or her bullshitting or not, doesn't matter. It is an act of its own to be judged what it is (and a central feature of it is not having a truth-value, that is, totally irrelevant to the way world is).

Like lying - it doesn't matter why one is lying or what is gained by that: a lie is a lie. Lying is a different thing as a false (untrue) claim, though. While both being untrue, one can utter false claims just by a sheer ignorance, not knowing better, and not lying per se.

However, what is a striking difference between bullshitting and lying is that lying involves the awereness of knowing how the things are in reality, but one decides to speak against them willingly. As paradoxical it might sound, truth matters there. But for bullshitting that doesn't matter. You don't need to know about anything. When one is, literally, full of shit (sic), probably one doesn't even care - or remember - how the things are in reality. What is worse - lying or bullshitting - I don't know.

That's why I think it is more apt to describe a certain recent political discourse as more like bullshitting than lying. In our 'post-factual world' the truth doesn't matter at all (sometimes some portions of discourse might fit to the facts, but that's just a contingent feature, a happy accident if you like, but not an aim itself; even a broken clock is right twice a day).

Okay, enough...

grinning smiley

- Doxa



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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bv ()
Date: May 14, 2020 15:38

Covid-19 fatalities in Norway

Total of 232 deaths as of May 14

65% age 80+
23% age 70-79
8% age 60-69
4% age 40-59



Bjornulf

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: cmc ()
Date: May 14, 2020 16:17

Wisconsin has “gone off the tracks”.

“On Wednesday night in the heart of downtown Platteville, Wis., just hours after the Wisconsin Supreme Court threw out the state’s stay-at-home order, Nick’s on 2nd was packed wall to wall, standing room only.
It was sometime after 10 p.m. when “Long Cool Woman in a Black Dress” by The Hollies came over the loud speaker and a bartender took out his camera. In a Twitter broadcast, he surveyed the room of maskless patrons crammed together, partying like it was 2019. A few were pounding on the bar to the beat. Some were clapping their hands in the air and some were fist-pumping, a scene so joyous they could have been celebrating the end of the worst pandemic in a century.”


[news.google.com]

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: May 14, 2020 16:46

This guy is great.


Owen Filer: The 100-year-old on living through coronavirus



Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: May 14, 2020 16:59

Millions in U.S. Are Leaving Home Again

More people in the U.S. are starting to move around, as state stay-at-home orders are eased.

After weeks cooped up at home following governors’ orders to contain the coronavirus outbreak, U.S. residents appear eager to get moving again. As more states began to relax restrictions, about 25 million more people ventured outside their homes on an average day last week than during the preceding six weeks, a New York Times analysis of cellphone data found.



[www.nytimes.com]

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Bellajane ()
Date: May 14, 2020 17:47

Well this mobility is fueling the spread unfortunately. I simply don't know the answer but when it's predicted to be the darkest winter in modern history, bar-hopping, hanging out in crowded parks and shopping malls just doesn't seem like a good idea right now. Being cooped up at home isn't an ideal situation but being on death's door on a vent isn't either.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: SomeTorontoGirl ()
Date: May 14, 2020 19:07

I haven’t read much about the progress of the virus in sub-Saharan Africa, this article about Tanzania is the first I’ve seen.

[www.theglobeandmail.com]

Tanzanian hospitals overwhelmed by dramatic rise in secret COVID-19 cases, U.S. says

GEOFFREY YORKAFRICA BUREAU CHIEF
JOHANNESBURG
PUBLISHED MAY 13, 2020
UPDATED 16 HOURS AGO

Hospitals in Tanzania are becoming overwhelmed by a dramatic rise in COVID-19 cases despite official secrecy on the crisis, the U.S. embassy has warned in a highly unusual statement.

The warning was issued Wednesday after weeks of growing rumours about a wave of hidden deaths in Tanzania, where videos on social media have documented a number of mysterious night burials by mask-wearing gravediggers and pallbearers.

Tanzania, one of the biggest countries in East Africa and a major recipient of Canadian foreign aid, stopped issuing any official updates on the coronavirus in late April after a surge of new cases.

President John Magufuli, unlike many other African leaders, has refused to close churches, bars or restaurants to stem the spread of the virus. Instead he has advocated prayer, hot steam and herbal remedies such as an unproven beverage from Madagascar.

He did not attend an online summit of East African leaders Tuesday on responses to the pandemic and has cast doubt on coronavirus testing kits that have been verified by international specialists.

The secrecy has sparked a flood of rumours about deaths and illness, with some health care workers saying that hundreds have died.

“Many hospitals in Dar es Salaam have been overwhelmed in recent weeks,” the U.S. embassy said, referring to Tanzania’s biggest city.

“The risk of contracting COVID-19 in Dar es Salaam is extremely high,” it said. “Despite limited official reports, all evidence points to exponential growth of the epidemic in Dar and other locations in Tanzania.”

The embassy warned of the risk of “life-threatening delays for medical care” because of the situation in hospitals. It said that the government has not released any data on coronavirus infections since April 29.

The embassy urged U.S. government employees and their families to remain at home except for essential activities and to “substantially limit into private homes the entry of anyone but regular residents.”

The statement is unusual because embassies are normally reluctant to criticize or contradict their host governments so bluntly.

The last report from the Tanzanian government in late April said there were 480 confirmed cases of the virus in the country, a 60-per-cent increase over the previous report. But the Africa Centres for Disease Control and Prevention later disclosed that Tanzania had conducted only 652 tests, meaning that three-quarters of those tested were found to be infected.

Zanzibar, a semi-autonomous region of Tanzania, later disclosed an additional 29 cases. In total, 21 deaths have been confirmed in Tanzania.

Tanzania’s neighbouring countries have reported dozens of coronavirus cases among truck drivers who have crossed the border from Tanzania. Zambia has already shut its border with Tanzania because of the cases, and Kenya has said it is considering the same option.

One Tanzanian hospital worker, whom The Globe and Mail is not identifying because he was afraid of reprisals, said the government is concealing hundreds of deaths. A friend of his father recently died with coronavirus symptoms, and the family was ordered to incinerate the body for safety reasons, but the hospital was instructed to list the cause as cardiac arrest, he said.

Mr. Magufuli has questioned the accuracy of Tanzania’s test kits, demanding an investigation into the national health laboratory after the spike in confirmed cases. But the World Health Organization and the Africa CDC have insisted the tests are accurate and reliable.

After three Tanzanian parliamentarians died recently in mysterious cases that were suspected of links to the coronavirus, opposition members refused to attend Parliament, saying it was unsafe. The government responded by threatening to arrest any MP who failed to sit in the National Assembly.

A bank official, whom The Globe is not identifying because he fears his bank could be targeted for reprisals, said the government refused to allow a coronavirus test for a bank employee whose spouse had died of the virus. Bank employees are afraid to question the government’s decisions because of the threat of arrest, the official said.

Last month, authorities suspended a journalist and a daily newspaper for allegedly violating rules for reporting on the pandemic. Three other media organizations were fined and ordered to apologize for reporting “false information” about the coronavirus.

The government is “choosing to censor journalists and media outlets who report on the disease,” Amnesty International said in a report. “These recent reprisals are clearly politically motivated.”

A lawyer in Arusha was arrested on April 29 for statements he made about the pandemic – just hours after a local official ordered the police to arrest anyone who publicly questioned the government’s official information on the virus.

The lawyer, Albert Msando, had reportedly told journalists that they must report truthfully on the virus because the government was underreporting the number of cases.


Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: daspyknows ()
Date: May 14, 2020 19:37

The issue countries like Tanzania face is medical care is almost non existent.

Prayer is useless, hot steam may steam the disease further and herbal remedies is like prayer. Once the virus spreads in the cities in Africa, South Asia and South America it will look like NYC without healthcare infrastructure.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: May 14, 2020 20:02

Quote
Doxa
Quote
Chris Fountain
Sometimes "Bullshit" can be used in a derogatory manner. For example, If a referee makes a questionable call in a sporting event - one may shout "Bullshit!!!" although delivery may not mean any malice to recipient. It happens a lot.


The most common slang, however, these days in America is "He or She is Full of Shit"

Good points about the actual use of a term 'bullshitting' in American way of life.

But some general points. And I speak bullshitting only in the context of someone talking it.

For a 'general theory' of bullshitting (haha) it is no matter what is the intent of a speaker, since bullshit is bullshit. Why it is said and what does it serve/is gained by it doesn't matter. Even that of the speaker being awere of him or her bullshitting or not, doesn't matter. It is an act of its own to be judged what it is (and a central feature of it is not having a truth-value, that is, totally irrelevant to the way world is).

Like lying - it doesn't matter why one is lying or what is gained by that: a lie is a lie. Lying is a different thing as a false (untrue) claim, though. While both being untrue, one can utter false claims just by a sheer ignorance, not knowing better, and not lying per se.

However, what is a striking difference between bullshitting and lying is that lying involves the awereness of knowing how the things are in reality, but one decides to speak against them willingly. As paradoxical it might sound, truth matters there. But for bullshitting that doesn't matter. You don't need to know about anything. When one is, literally, full of shit (sic), probably one doesn't even care - or remember - how the things are in reality. What is worse - lying or bullshitting - I don't know.

That's why I think it is more apt to describe a certain recent political discourse as more like bullshitting than lying. In our 'post-factual world' the truth doesn't matter at all (sometimes some portions of discourse might fit to the facts, but that's just a contingent feature, a happy accident if you like, but not an aim itself; even a broken clock is right twice a day).

Okay, enough...

grinning smiley

- Doxa

There is this thing in the United States called Master Gardener, at least where I live. Essentially someone can go hear some lectures about whatever plants, pay some money for the classes, and get "certified" as being a "master gardener". A benefit to that is 10% off at nurseries that do it.

How does that equate to what you just explained? You don't hire a "master gardener" to design and install your landscape. They are essentially "armchair quarterbacks" - in other words, it's a bunch of bullshit.

I know some. They are not lying when they talk about what they've learned but they're very good at bullshitting about things and, in some cases, not ever doing them. It's the equivalent of watching Mick play an early form of Brown Sugar to Tina Turner, listening to the Altamont performance of Brown Sugar and clarifying they know everything about the song. Therefor it's bullshit, they are bullshitters and their "certification" is bullshit.

No one hires a "weekend warrior plumber" to install plumbing in new construction, they hire a plumber. A master carpenter is actually... someone that is a master at carpentry.

The "master gardeners" will gleefully announce "I'm a master gardener!" as if it's some kind of accomplishment.

Here is a really good article about it. Of course, "bullshit" is never said but it's generally about it.

Lying, on the other hand, would be someone saying "If you took Oleander flowers and made a tea of them, it cures migraine headaches." Although, in a way that's not lying because the result will cure migraines... but you'll be dead.

[www.gardenrant.com]

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: daspyknows ()
Date: May 14, 2020 20:23

Quote
GasLightStreet
Lying, on the other hand, would be someone saying "If you took Oleander flowers and made a tea of them, it cures migraine headaches." Although, in a way that's not lying because the result will cure migraines... but you'll be dead.

Sounds like injecting lysol or drinking clorox.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: May 14, 2020 22:47


Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Date: May 14, 2020 23:01

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GasLightStreet

grinning smiley

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: crholmstrom ()
Date: May 14, 2020 23:51


Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: SomeTorontoGirl ()
Date: May 14, 2020 23:57

I think they already have a TWAT-card equivalent Stateside.





We do it a little differently in Canada. grinning smiley






Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bleedingman ()
Date: May 15, 2020 00:03

Remember when nobody did anything until a polio vaccine was discovered? Everyone hid inside because otherwise bad things would happen. Very wise and life went on and here we are.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: daspyknows ()
Date: May 15, 2020 00:06

Quote
bleedingman
Remember when nobody did anything until a polio vaccine was discovered? Everyone hid inside because otherwise bad things would happen. Very wise and life went on and here we are.

Polio was much less communicable. Big difference.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: May 15, 2020 00:14

I think that "crap" is a good alternative to "bullshit." In America "crap" is not considered profanity. If someone tells you something facetiously, you can say that is a "a load of crap." It doesn't have the same impact as "that is bullshit."

Also "crap " can be used as a form of carelessness. For example, one could could say "Crap!" I left my keys in the house. It is really a clever way to get around profanity with some punch!!

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: cmc ()
Date: May 15, 2020 01:40

Wear your masks!


“Talking spreads coronavirus — and likely plays a part in its contagiousness.

That’s the conclusion of a new study released Thursday published in the peer-reviewed Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the official journal of the National Academy of Sciences. “These observations confirm that there is a substantial probability that normal speaking causes airborne virus transmission in confined environments,” the study concludes.”

[news.google.com]

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: May 15, 2020 01:51

36,5 million out of work - just reported by Fox News -

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: DGA35 ()
Date: May 15, 2020 02:18

Quote
DGA35
Well the US unfortunately just hit 80000 deaths with a total number of cases at 1,346,717 so still around 2000 per day since my last update early last week. At the current rate, they'll hit 100,000 in 10 more days.
Total worldwide is now 4,010,000 with 278,000 deaths

New updated US figures, now 87000 deaths and 1.455 million cases. Average daily numbers has dropped from around 2000 per day to around 1400 so that's a good sign. Not a good sign is news reports of people crowding into bars, etc. as states start to reopen. Worldwide total is now 4.52 million cases and 303000 deaths. Keep an eye on Brazil, the numbers there are starting to explode.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bitusa2012 ()
Date: May 15, 2020 11:58

Quote
Chris Fountain
36,5 million out of work - just reported by Fox News -

OVER 83000 DEAD. Also reported on Fox News. DEAD.

Rod

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: crholmstrom ()
Date: May 15, 2020 12:07

Quote
DGA35
Quote
DGA35
Well the US unfortunately just hit 80000 deaths with a total number of cases at 1,346,717 so still around 2000 per day since my last update early last week. At the current rate, they'll hit 100,000 in 10 more days.
Total worldwide is now 4,010,000 with 278,000 deaths

New updated US figures, now 87000 deaths and 1.455 million cases. Average daily numbers has dropped from around 2000 per day to around 1400 so that's a good sign. Not a good sign is news reports of people crowding into bars, etc. as states start to reopen. Worldwide total is now 4.52 million cases and 303000 deaths. Keep an eye on Brazil, the numbers there are starting to explode.

the total deaths in washington state will surpass 1,000 this weekend, primarily in the seattle area.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: May 15, 2020 12:12

Quote
bitusa2012
Quote
Chris Fountain
36,5 million out of work - just reported by Fox News -

OVER 83000 DEAD. Also reported on Fox News. DEAD.

I hear ya - now at 85 k the two trajic entities are interrelated.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bitusa2012 ()
Date: May 15, 2020 12:19

Quote
Chris Fountain
Quote
bitusa2012
Quote
Chris Fountain
36,5 million out of work - just reported by Fox News -

OVER 83000 DEAD. Also reported on Fox News. DEAD.

I hear ya - now at 85 k the two trajic entities are interrelated.

I’d rather be outta work (I AM an unemployed travel agent) than outta breath

Rod

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: May 15, 2020 12:33

Quote
bitusa2012
Quote
Chris Fountain
Quote
bitusa2012
Quote
Chris Fountain
36,5 million out of work - just reported by Fox News -

OVER 83000 DEAD. Also reported on Fox News. DEAD.

I hear ya - now at 85 k the two trajic entities are interrelated.

I’d rather be outta work (I AM an unemployed travel agent) than outta breath

Hopefully unemployment insurance with extra Covid - 19 assistance is helping you.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: crholmstrom ()
Date: May 15, 2020 12:35

Alarming story about COVID-19 spreading in Russia.

Russia

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