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Weekly fatality rate update

Italy, Spain, France are all having the same decrease in the fatality rate, now down to 1.06, i.e. 6% more fatalities per week.

USA and UK both have decreasing numbers, but the decrease is going slower than the decrease we have seen in other countries with similar history.

The other countries listed do all have decreases, meaning the lockdown is working as expected in all countries listed. As countries are opening up during May/June, we will see how that is showing up in the fatality rates.



Explanation:

m-08, m-15, a-05, m-03, m10 etc are the multiplication factor in the number of deaths week-by-week, as measured on the week ending with March-08, March-15, April-05, May-03, May-10 etc.

Reference numbers:

[www.worldometers.info]

The biggest issue with U.S, numbers is there needs to be a NY Metro Area and U.S. excluding NY metro. It changes the curves. I know it is not the point of this statistical presentation but it also makes the U.S. numbers look much better than reality.

the biggest issue is demographics...NYC vs. Non-NYC is one demographic. Agreed.

but, that is only 1 small part of the picture.

there are demographics that can (and should) be applied everywhere....

are you over 65? 70? 80?

are you overweight?

do you live in a nursing home? work in one? visit one regularly?

25-50% of deaths are in Nursing Homes (ie. old and mostly sick people)...80% of deaths are over 65 years old.....

see my post above...94% of deaths have underlying conditions, most of which are caused by poor diet (ie. NOT genetics).

if you don't fall in any of these categories, you have an EXTREMELY high chance of survival...

I've said it many times here: Without demographics, these statistics are essentially pointless.

without demographics, we should send equal numbers of ventilators to the Pediatric Hospital as we do to the Old Folks Home.....which is moronic.

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The world population is some 8 billion people. With covid-19 going generic, across the world, with no lockdown, the fatalities worldwide within the next few months would be 0.5% - 1% of the world's population, i.e. 40-80 million people would die. The economies would be wiped out, so would our morals, ethics and respect as human beings.


Let me play Devil's advocate, if you will. The roaring 20s in U.S. occurred directly after the the 1918-1920 Spanish Flu Epidemic. Directly following crisis, Economically, U.S. did great. However, I can't defend post epidemic morals as even with prohibition, violations were rampant and indulgence was the norm.

and if I can play Devil's Advocate also....these statistics cannot be blanket-applied to the entire world population. Demographics MUST be applied or else this is simply bad science.

80% of the world population is not 65 or older...nor does 94% of the world population have diet-related health issues.

25-50% of the world's population does NOT live in a Nursing Home

[www.bostonglobe.com]

[www.businessinsider.com]

[www.theguardian.com]

[www.washingtonexaminer.com]

That is exactly my point!!

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Weekly fatality rate update

Italy, Spain, France are all having the same decrease in the fatality rate, now down to 1.06, i.e. 6% more fatalities per week.

USA and UK both have decreasing numbers, but the decrease is going slower than the decrease we have seen in other countries with similar history.

The other countries listed do all have decreases, meaning the lockdown is working as expected in all countries listed. As countries are opening up during May/June, we will see how that is showing up in the fatality rates.



Explanation:

m-08, m-15, a-05, m-03, m10 etc are the multiplication factor in the number of deaths week-by-week, as measured on the week ending with March-08, March-15, April-05, May-03, May-10 etc.

Reference numbers:

[www.worldometers.info]

The biggest issue with U.S, numbers is there needs to be a NY Metro Area and U.S. excluding NY metro. It changes the curves. I know it is not the point of this statistical presentation but it also makes the U.S. numbers look much better than reality.

the biggest issue is demographics...NYC vs. Non-NYC is one demographic. Agreed.

but, that is only 1 small part of the picture.

there are demographics that can (and should) be applied everywhere....

are you over 65? 70? 80?

are you overweight?

do you live in a nursing home? work in one? visit one regularly?

25-50% of deaths are in Nursing Homes (ie. old and mostly sick people)...80% of deaths are over 65 years old.....

see my post above...94% of deaths have underlying conditions, most of which are caused by poor diet (ie. NOT genetics).

if you don't fall in any of these categories, you have an EXTREMELY high chance of survival...

I've said it many times here: Without demographics, these statistics are essentially pointless.

without demographics, we should send equal numbers of ventilators to the Pediatric Hospital as we do to the Old Folks Home.....which is moronic.

So my son's friend who was 51, worked as an ER nurse and did not have any pre-existing conditions did not die?

I guess we will not see the Rolling Stones ever again since they are in the high risk group or are the lives of Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie disposable.

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So my son's friend who was 51, worked as an ER nurse and did not have any pre-existing conditions did not die?

I guess we will not see the Rolling Stones ever again since they are in the high risk group or are the lives of Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie disposable.

There it is, the tried and true tactic of a liberal when they cannot rebut an opposing point of view: deflect towards an emotional appeal.

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Herd immunity and vaccine policy:

There is no way any country in the world would have any ambition on building herd immunity versus a dangerous disease like HIV/AIDS, EBOLA, SARS or MERS. The same is valid for the novel corona virus covid-19. It is too dangerous for our health system, and to our economy, to be allowed out in the free, to build natural herd immunity.

The world population is some 8 billion people. With covid-19 going generic, across the world, with no lockdown, the fatalities worldwide within the next few months would be 0.5% - 1% of the world's population, i.e. 40-80 million people would die. The economies would be wiped out, so would our morals, ethics and respect as human beings.

Luckily most people are smart. People take their own measures, so we do get the virus down to an acceptable level, even if some leaders do open up.

Okay, doom and gloom. There is a bigger picture here. We can't have the world in lockdown for two years. The outcome of that could be even worse than your worst case scenario. Excess mortality due to COVID-19 is 2 percent in Sweden compared to the latest 5 years. In Norway I don't think there is any excess mortality at all. Another phenomena is that deaths in other diseases have decreased significantly in the same period. Which raises the question whether all deaths reported as Corona really is Corona.

Herd immunity doesn't mean laissez faire. It means that a society can open up step by step when a big enough percent of a population have reached immunity. Which, of course, requires a lot of testing. Which is on the way in Sweden. Of course vulnerable groups should still be protected. And those steps must be taken judiciously.

Ps. BV, which are your sources for the COVID-19 being airborne? The WHO and the Swedish People's Health Authority says it's not. They say it spreads through droplets. Which is not the same as being airborne. Ds

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Personal responsibility? Are you serious? When government leaders in both U.S. and Brazil demonstrate zero personal responsibility and lead by example?

Do you demonstrate personal responsibility or is your right to do what you want more important exhibiting personal responsibility?

You've just further made my point for me. Your life choices are apparently guided by politicians and what they do whereas mine (and many others) are guided by basic principles and what we choose to do for ourselves. Note that what we choose to do for ourselves does NOT require your consent or approval.

My wife went back to work today for TJ Maxx and has a retail job where pride is her nature. First day back on the job, I pray that protection is adequate and well thought out. She is 71 and I cry for her determination to go back to work , although I was opposed to such a potential trap. Hopefully she is ok upon her return and TJ Maxx took the necessary precautions. I don't want any walk on the beach to be the last one.

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I guess we will not see the Rolling Stones ever again since they are in the high risk group or are the lives of Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie disposable.

It is actually sad to think that the corona crisis might end one big cultural era. Not only the touring days of the Stones but all those of other greats from their generation and of classical era of rock who are still here and have toured a lot in recent years: Dylan, Macca, Young, etc. We don't know when the things are back in 'normal' - are we talking about years - and these dudes aren't getting any younger. These legends have lived through so many phases and obstacles, and now this bloody virus is putting a stop on all this. Surely they - or some of them - will perform in some way or other in future, but be it again travelling the world and so on like we used to. I especially feel sad if Dylan's 'never-ending tour' stops like this.. For him it seems to be a way of life...

- Doxa



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Personal responsibility? Are you serious? When government leaders in both U.S. and Brazil demonstrate zero personal responsibility and lead by example?

Do you demonstrate personal responsibility or is your right to do what you want more important exhibiting personal responsibility?

You've just further made my point for me. Your life choices are apparently guided by politicians and what they do whereas mine (and many others) are guided by basic principles and what we choose to do for ourselves. Note that what we choose to do for ourselves does NOT require your consent or approval.

Wow, you are both selfish and stupid when it comes to this virus. My life choices are not driven by politics but by the fact I have had it and do not want people I care for to get it. When the leaders of countries consider it a hoax and innocent people die it is not a positive thing.

You don't need my approval to be inconsiderate to other humans. You are someone who has every right to go out and get yourself sick but you have no right to get others sick. You are too self centered and ignorant to not catch the virus if and I feel sorry for those who you infect and who die. It would be karmic justice if that happens to be a family member you care about so you can live with the guilt (if you have any conscience or empathy).

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I guess we will not see the Rolling Stones ever again since they are in the high risk group or are the lives of Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie disposable.

It is actually sad to think that the corona crisis might end one big cultural era. Not only the touring days of the Stones but all those of other greats from their generation and of classical era of rock who are still here and have toured a lot in recent years: Dylan, Macca, Young, etc. We don't know when the things are back in 'normal' - are we talking about years - and these dudes aren't getting any younger. These legends have lived through so many phases and obstacles, and now this bloody virus is putting a stop on all this. Surely they - or some of them - will perform in some way or other in future, but be it again travelling the world and so on like we used to. I especially feel sad if Dylan's 'never-ending tour' stops like this.. For him it seems to be a way of life...

- Doxa

I agree with you. I am coming to grips to that reality that we may have seen the last of many artists on the road. Why would artists in their 60's 70's or 80's risk their lives. Even if some artists tour there will not be money to be made. A venue that holds 3,000 but has capacity capped at 1,500 will not made money. Once someone tests positive at the venue, their business will be toast. Look at South Korea's night clubs. It took one inconsiderate person like StonedInTokyo and now 80 people positive ad counting.

The world has changed and unless there is a vaccine and people are vaccinated (still to be determined) this virus is going to keep causing havoc. Given the fact that there is no will in many places to do anything to stop the spread for selfish or personal liberty reasons the economies of the worlds will not recover and the long term prognosis is pretty grim.

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Personal responsibility? Are you serious? When government leaders in both U.S. and Brazil demonstrate zero personal responsibility and lead by example?

Do you demonstrate personal responsibility or is your right to do what you want more important exhibiting personal responsibility?

You've just further made my point for me. Your life choices are apparently guided by politicians and what they do whereas mine (and many others) are guided by basic principles and what we choose to do for ourselves. Note that what we choose to do for ourselves does NOT require your consent or approval.

There are literally millions of people here in Brazil following the president's bad habits and wrong statements about this virus. Some of them now are or were infected, some of them have already died. Take a closer look at what's happening here and maybe you'll have another point of view about the responsability that resides on a wrong statement from a president.

.... at this stage you dont wanna
risk bein' in the mosh pit for anybody .....



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Personal responsibility? Are you serious? When government leaders in both U.S. and Brazil demonstrate zero personal responsibility and lead by example?

Do you demonstrate personal responsibility or is your right to do what you want more important exhibiting personal responsibility?

You've just further made my point for me. Your life choices are apparently guided by politicians and what they do whereas mine (and many others) are guided by basic principles and what we choose to do for ourselves. Note that what we choose to do for ourselves does NOT require your consent or approval.

There are literally millions of people here in Brazil following the president's bad habits and wrong statements about this virus. Some of them now are or were infected, some of them have already died. Take a closer look at what's happening here and maybe you'll have another point of view about the responsability that resides on a wrong statement from a president.

I doubt he will. Only way for him to change his view would be dying from it.

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I guess we will not see the Rolling Stones ever again since they are in the high risk group or are the lives of Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie disposable.

It is actually sad to think that the corona crisis might end one big cultural era. Not only the touring days of the Stones but all those of other greats from their generation and of classical era of rock who are still here and have toured a lot in recent years: Dylan, Macca, Young, etc. We don't know when the things are back in 'normal' - are we talking about years - and these dudes aren't getting any younger. These legends have lived through so many phases and obstacles, and now this bloody virus is putting a stop on all this. Surely they - or some of them - will perform in some way or other in future, but be it again travelling the world and so on like we used to. I especially feel sad if Dylan's 'never-ending tour' stops like this.. For him it seems to be a way of life...

- Doxa

I agree with you. I am coming to grips to that reality that we may have seen the last of many artists on the road. Why would artists in their 60's 70's or 80's risk their lives. Even if some artists tour there will not be money to be made. A venue that holds 3,000 but has capacity capped at 1,500 will not made money. Once someone tests positive at the venue, their business will be toast. Look at South Korea's night clubs. It took one inconsiderate person like StonedInTokyo and now 80 people positive ad counting.

The world has changed and unless there is a vaccine and people are vaccinated (still to be determined) this virus is going to keep causing havoc. Given the fact that there is no will in many places to do anything to stop the spread for selfish or personal liberty reasons the economies of the worlds will not recover and the long term prognosis is pretty grim.

This is like another 9/11. The world has changed and even when the pandemic is over things will not be the same. We won't forget as easily as we did 100 years ago. In a sense we are lucky that it is not as lethal as it could have been.

We humans are very stupid sometimes. Look at the 2004 tsunami where 228,000 people died. There was NO EXCUSE for that. There were no warning systems in place, and you don't need high tech for that at all. With a warning system in place perhaps 90% of those lives could have been saved. There was a fairly big tsunami in Hawaii in 1946. So right after that they set up an early warning system. That's the modern era so the people responsible in East Asia were asleep at the wheel. There are many other examples.

Let's hope we will be able to get back to very close to a normal life and we will not forget the lessons learned.

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That is exactly my point!!

yup...I was agreeing w/ you

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Weekly fatality rate update

Italy, Spain, France are all having the same decrease in the fatality rate, now down to 1.06, i.e. 6% more fatalities per week.

USA and UK both have decreasing numbers, but the decrease is going slower than the decrease we have seen in other countries with similar history.

The other countries listed do all have decreases, meaning the lockdown is working as expected in all countries listed. As countries are opening up during May/June, we will see how that is showing up in the fatality rates.



Explanation:

m-08, m-15, a-05, m-03, m10 etc are the multiplication factor in the number of deaths week-by-week, as measured on the week ending with March-08, March-15, April-05, May-03, May-10 etc.

Reference numbers:

[www.worldometers.info]

The biggest issue with U.S, numbers is there needs to be a NY Metro Area and U.S. excluding NY metro. It changes the curves. I know it is not the point of this statistical presentation but it also makes the U.S. numbers look much better than reality.

the biggest issue is demographics...NYC vs. Non-NYC is one demographic. Agreed.

but, that is only 1 small part of the picture.

there are demographics that can (and should) be applied everywhere....

are you over 65? 70? 80?

are you overweight?

do you live in a nursing home? work in one? visit one regularly?

25-50% of deaths are in Nursing Homes (ie. old and mostly sick people)...80% of deaths are over 65 years old.....

see my post above...94% of deaths have underlying conditions, most of which are caused by poor diet (ie. NOT genetics).

if you don't fall in any of these categories, you have an EXTREMELY high chance of survival...

I've said it many times here: Without demographics, these statistics are essentially pointless.

without demographics, we should send equal numbers of ventilators to the Pediatric Hospital as we do to the Old Folks Home.....which is moronic.

So my son's friend who was 51, worked as an ER nurse and did not have any pre-existing conditions did not die?

I guess we will not see the Rolling Stones ever again since they are in the high risk group or are the lives of Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie disposable.

#1: I'm sorry for your loss. Truly.

#2: Unfortunately, your argument is what is called a "Fallacy of Logic"

it is the Anecdotal Fallacy, to be precise....what you are claiming is based the same (il)"logic" as someone who claims smoking isn't bad for one's health b/c (s)he knows a 97 year old who smoked his/her entire life

[yourlogicalfallacyis.com]

#3: Yes, the Rolling Stones are in a very high risk group - especially Charlie b/c of his previous bout w/ Cancer.

Facts are facts. Anecdotes don't change them.

there's a reason for demographics...they are to make sense of statistics.

Otherwise, as stated, we should send equal numbers of ventilators to the Children's Hospital in Idaho as we do to the Senior Ward at a hospital in NYC...which is obviously stupid.

I do find it interesting that you make a call for greater demographic breakdowns (NYC vs. Non-NYC), but then seemingly oppose my demographic breakdowns.

weird.

I made no statements about "disposable lives" - please stop projecting.

Again, I am sorry for your son's loss.



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Regarding live music, story from Dave Grohl (Foo Fighters) published in the Atlantic:

The Day the Live Concert Returns
I don’t know when it will be safe to sing arm in arm at the top of our lungs. But we will do it again, because we have to.

Story by Dave Grohl > Foo Fighter

Where were you planning to be on the Fourth of July this year? Backyard barbecue with your crankiest relatives, fighting over who gets to light the illegal fireworks that your derelict cousin smuggled in from South Carolina? Or maybe out on the Chesapeake Bay, arguing about the amount of mayonnaise in the crab cakes while drinking warm National Bohemian beer? Better yet, tubing down the Shenandoah with a soggy hot dog while blasting Grand Funk Railroad’s “We’re an American Band”?

I know exactly where I was supposed to be: FedExField, outside Washington, D.C., with my band Foo Fighters and roughly 80,000 of our closest friends. We were going to be celebrating the 25th anniversary of our debut album. A red, white, and blue keg party for the ages, it was primed to be an explosive affair shared by throngs of my sunburned hometown brothers and sisters, singing along to more than a quarter century of Foo.

Well, things have changed.

Unfortunately, the coronavirus pandemic has reduced today’s live music to unflattering little windows that look like doorbell security footage and sound like Neil Armstrong’s distorted transmissions from the moon, so stuttered and compressed. It’s enough to make Max Headroom seem lifelike. Don’t get me wrong, I can deal with the monotony and limited cuisine of quarantine (my lasagna game is on point!), and I know that those of us who don’t have to work in hospitals or deliver packages are the lucky ones, but still, I’m hungry for a big old plate of sweaty, ear-shredding, live rock and roll, ASAP. The kind that makes your heart race, your body move, and your soul stir with passion.

There is nothing like the energy and atmosphere of live music. It is the most life-affirming experience, to see your favorite performer onstage, in the flesh, rather than as a one-dimensional image glowing in your lap as you spiral down a midnight YouTube wormhole. Even our most beloved superheroes become human in person. Imagine being at Wembley Stadium in 1985 as Freddie Mercury walked onstage for the Live Aid benefit concert. Forever regarded as one of the most triumphant live performances of all time (clocking in at a mere 22 minutes) Freddie and Queen somehow managed to remind us that behind every rock god is someone who puts on their studded arm bracelet, absurdly tight white tank, and stonewashed jeans one pant leg at a time just like the rest of us. But, it wasn’t necessarily Queen’s musical magic that made history that day. It was Freddie's connection with the audience that transformed that dilapidated soccer stadium into a sonic cathedral. In broad daylight, he majestically made 72,000 people his instrument, joining them in harmonious unison.

As a lifelong concertgoer, I know this feeling well. I myself have been pressed against the cold front rail of an arena rock show. I have air-drummed along to my favorite songs in the rafters, and been crushed in the crowd, dancing to dangerous decibel levels while lost in the rhythm. I’ve been lifted and carried to the stage by total strangers for a glorious swan dive back into their sweaty embrace. Arm in arm, I have sung at the top of my lungs with people I may never see again. All to celebrate and share the tangible, communal power of music.

When you take away the pyrotechnics and confetti of an arena rock concert, what are you left with? Just … people? I will never forget the night I witnessed U2 perform at what used to be called the MCI Center in D.C. This was their 2001 Elevation Tour, a massive production. I waited for the lights to go out so that I could lose myself in a magnificent, state-of-the-art rock show. To my surprise, the band walked onstage without any introduction, house lights fully illuminated, and kicked into the first song beneath their harsh, fluorescent glow, without the usual barrage of lasers and LED screens we’ve all become accustomed to. The brilliant move stunned the audience and began an unforgettable concert on a very raw, personal note. This was no accident, mind you. It was a lesson in intimacy. Without all the strobes and lasers, the room shrank to the size of a dirty nightclub at last call, every blemish in plain view. And with that simple gesture, we were reminded that we are all indeed just people. People that need to connect with one another.

One night, before a Foo Fighters show in Vancouver, my tour manager alerted me that the “Boss” himself, Bruce Springsteen, was in attendance (cue paralyzing nerves). Frozen with fear, I wondered how I could possibly perform in front of this legendary showman, famous for his epic concerts that span four hours. I surely could never live up to his lofty expectations! It turns out he was there to see the opening band (cue devastating humiliation), so I was off the hook. But we chatted briefly before the gig, and I was again reminded of not only the human being behind every superhero, but also the reason millions of people identify with him: He is real. Three hours later, as I sat on a locker-room bench recovering from the show, drenched in my own sweat, there was a knock at the door. Bruce wanted to say hello. Having actually stayed for our set (cue jaw crashing to the floor), he very generously thanked us and commented on our performance, specifically the rapport we seem to have with our audience. Something he obviously understood very well. When asked where he watched the show from, he said that he’d stood in the crowd, just like everyone else. Of course he did. He was searching for that connection too. A few days later, I received a letter from Bruce, handwritten on hotel stationery, that explained this very clearly. “When you look out at the audience,” he wrote, “you should see yourself in them, just as they should see themselves in you.”

Not to brag, but I think I’ve had the best seat in the house for 25 years. Because I do see you. I see you pressed against the cold front rails. I see you air-drumming along to your favorite songs in the distant rafters. I see you lifted above the crowd and carried to the stage for a glorious swan dive back into its sweaty embrace. I see your homemade signs and your vintage T-shirts. I hear your laughter and your screams and I see your tears. I have seen you yawn (yeah, you), and I’ve watched you pass out drunk in your seat. I've seen you in hurricane-force winds, in 100-degree heat, in subzero temperatures. I have even seen some of you grow older and become parents, now with your children's Day-Glo protective headphones bouncing on your shoulders. And each night when I tell our lighting engineer to “Light ’em up!,” I do so because I need that room to shrink, and to join with you as one under the harsh, fluorescent glow.

In today’s world of fear and unease and social distancing, it's hard to imagine sharing experiences like these ever again. I don’t know when it will be safe to return to singing arm in arm at the top of our lungs, hearts racing, bodies moving, souls bursting with life. But I do know that we will do it again, because we have to. It’s not a choice. We’re human. We need moments that reassure us that we are not alone. That we are understood. That we are imperfect. And, most important, that we need each other. I have shared my music, my words, my life with the people who come to our shows. And they have shared their voices with me. Without that audience—that screaming, sweating audience—my songs would only be sound. But together, we are instruments in a sonic cathedral, one that we build together night after night. And one that we will surely build again.

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

All 4 would be high risk, or am I wrong?
Mick heart
Keith brain
Charlie cancer
Ronnie cancer and emphsyema

Plus age (excepting the new boy Ronnie)

Only half serious but my money would be on Mick to outlive all of us (not Keith)



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Personal responsibility? Are you serious? When government leaders in both U.S. and Brazil demonstrate zero personal responsibility and lead by example?

Do you demonstrate personal responsibility or is your right to do what you want more important exhibiting personal responsibility?

You've just further made my point for me. Your life choices are apparently guided by politicians and what they do whereas mine (and many others) are guided by basic principles and what we choose to do for ourselves. Note that what we choose to do for ourselves does NOT require your consent or approval.

There are literally millions of people here in Brazil following the president's bad habits and wrong statements about this virus. Some of them now are or were infected, some of them have already died. Take a closer look at what's happening here and maybe you'll have another point of view about the responsability that resides on a wrong statement from a president.

I doubt he will. Only way for him to change his view would be dying from it.

From what I can tell you are the only person on this site the regularly calls people names and is always wishing that someone would get the virus.

I feel sorry for you. You must lead a terrible and negative life.

I am not sure if you were picked on when you were younger or if your wife dresses you funny each day.

But what I am sure of is you are one unhappy person.



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That piece by Dave Grohl was a great read - thanks for posting, Hairball!

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My wife went back to work today for TJ Maxx and has a retail job where pride is her nature. First day back on the job, I pray that protection is adequate and well thought out. She is 71 and I cry for her determination to go back to work , although I was opposed to such a potential trap. Hopefully she is ok upon her return and TJ Maxx took the necessary precautions. I don't want any walk on the beach to be the last one.

N95 mask is critical. Don't touch it, don't take it off.

Tell her to wash her hands and/or use sanitizer (use it ON HER GLOVES if she wears them)...frequently.

she should NEVER touch her face/hair. Fight the urge NO MATTER WHAT.

wear some sort of glasses/goggles (the kind used by hunters are good for this).

have a hamper outside your house for her to change out of her clothes immediately BEFORE entering your home.....clothes straight to the machine....she goes straight to the shower. Anti-Bacterial soap no matter what.

Good luck. She's gonna be OK, man.....many good walks to come.

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Still waiting to see what happens to the current NHL season! Even if they play in empty arenas, how many of the players would want to be playing? Same goes for NBA, upcoming baseball and football seasons.

I'm all for leaving my St. Louis Blues the reignimg champs through 2020.

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Personal responsibility? Are you serious? When government leaders in both U.S. and Brazil demonstrate zero personal responsibility and lead by example?

Do you demonstrate personal responsibility or is your right to do what you want more important exhibiting personal responsibility?

You've just further made my point for me. Your life choices are apparently guided by politicians and what they do whereas mine (and many others) are guided by basic principles and what we choose to do for ourselves. Note that what we choose to do for ourselves does NOT require your consent or approval.

There are literally millions of people here in Brazil following the president's bad habits and wrong statements about this virus. Some of them now are or were infected, some of them have already died. Take a closer look at what's happening here and maybe you'll have another point of view about the responsability that resides on a wrong statement from a president.

I doubt he will. Only way for him to change his view would be dying from it.

From what I can tell you are the only person on this site the regularly calls people names and is always wishing that someone would get the virus.

I feel sorry for you. You must lead a terrible and negative life.

I am not sure if you were picked on when you were younger or if your wife dresses you funny each day.

But what I am sure of is you are one unhappy person.

There are others here who feel the same as daspyknows, myself included. I choose not to engage for the most part because I don't have the time or energy to waste arguing with people who refuse to acknowledge facts & logic.

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It is actually sad to think that the corona crisis might end one big cultural era. Not only the touring days of the Stones but all those of other greats from their generation and of classical era of rock who are still here and have toured a lot in recent years: Dylan, Macca, Young, etc. We don't know when the things are back in 'normal' - are we talking about years - and these dudes aren't getting any younger. These legends have lived through so many phases and obstacles, and now this bloody virus is putting a stop on all this. Surely they - or some of them - will perform in some way or other in future, but be it again travelling the world and so on like we used to. I especially feel sad if Dylan's 'never-ending tour' stops like this.. For him it seems to be a way of life...

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The Virus or vaccin is not the only problem . It's almost 100% sure already that there will be no pinkpop 2021 for the simple reason that all the big acts want to get payed in advance, but no insurance company will cover the bill.Vaccin,Virus or not. Don't worry about Dylan, the Stones or Young or Macca, they will write a song about it. I feel sorry for the less privileged bands and musicians that can hardly survive or still have to establish their name, the smaller clubs and theaters.The real cultural damage
lies in the future, not in the past.

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Still waiting to see what happens to the current NHL season! Even if they play in empty arenas, how many of the players would want to be playing? Same goes for NBA, upcoming baseball and football seasons.

I'm all for leaving my St. Louis Blues the reignimg champs through 2020.

The nemesis of my beloved Hawks!!

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Regarding live music, story from Dave Grohl (Foo Fighters) published in the Atlantic:

The Day the Live Concert Returns
I don’t know when it will be safe to sing arm in arm at the top of our lungs. But we will do it again, because we have to.

Story by Dave Grohl > Foo Fighter

Where were you planning to be on the Fourth of July this year? Backyard barbecue with your crankiest relatives, fighting over who gets to light the illegal fireworks that your derelict cousin smuggled in from South Carolina? Or maybe out on the Chesapeake Bay, arguing about the amount of mayonnaise in the crab cakes while drinking warm National Bohemian beer? Better yet, tubing down the Shenandoah with a soggy hot dog while blasting Grand Funk Railroad’s “We’re an American Band”?

I know exactly where I was supposed to be: FedExField, outside Washington, D.C., with my band Foo Fighters and roughly 80,000 of our closest friends. We were going to be celebrating the 25th anniversary of our debut album. A red, white, and blue keg party for the ages, it was primed to be an explosive affair shared by throngs of my sunburned hometown brothers and sisters, singing along to more than a quarter century of Foo.

Well, things have changed.

Unfortunately, the coronavirus pandemic has reduced today’s live music to unflattering little windows that look like doorbell security footage and sound like Neil Armstrong’s distorted transmissions from the moon, so stuttered and compressed. It’s enough to make Max Headroom seem lifelike. Don’t get me wrong, I can deal with the monotony and limited cuisine of quarantine (my lasagna game is on point!), and I know that those of us who don’t have to work in hospitals or deliver packages are the lucky ones, but still, I’m hungry for a big old plate of sweaty, ear-shredding, live rock and roll, ASAP. The kind that makes your heart race, your body move, and your soul stir with passion.

There is nothing like the energy and atmosphere of live music. It is the most life-affirming experience, to see your favorite performer onstage, in the flesh, rather than as a one-dimensional image glowing in your lap as you spiral down a midnight YouTube wormhole. Even our most beloved superheroes become human in person. Imagine being at Wembley Stadium in 1985 as Freddie Mercury walked onstage for the Live Aid benefit concert. Forever regarded as one of the most triumphant live performances of all time (clocking in at a mere 22 minutes) Freddie and Queen somehow managed to remind us that behind every rock god is someone who puts on their studded arm bracelet, absurdly tight white tank, and stonewashed jeans one pant leg at a time just like the rest of us. But, it wasn’t necessarily Queen’s musical magic that made history that day. It was Freddie's connection with the audience that transformed that dilapidated soccer stadium into a sonic cathedral. In broad daylight, he majestically made 72,000 people his instrument, joining them in harmonious unison.

As a lifelong concertgoer, I know this feeling well. I myself have been pressed against the cold front rail of an arena rock show. I have air-drummed along to my favorite songs in the rafters, and been crushed in the crowd, dancing to dangerous decibel levels while lost in the rhythm. I’ve been lifted and carried to the stage by total strangers for a glorious swan dive back into their sweaty embrace. Arm in arm, I have sung at the top of my lungs with people I may never see again. All to celebrate and share the tangible, communal power of music.

When you take away the pyrotechnics and confetti of an arena rock concert, what are you left with? Just … people? I will never forget the night I witnessed U2 perform at what used to be called the MCI Center in D.C. This was their 2001 Elevation Tour, a massive production. I waited for the lights to go out so that I could lose myself in a magnificent, state-of-the-art rock show. To my surprise, the band walked onstage without any introduction, house lights fully illuminated, and kicked into the first song beneath their harsh, fluorescent glow, without the usual barrage of lasers and LED screens we’ve all become accustomed to. The brilliant move stunned the audience and began an unforgettable concert on a very raw, personal note. This was no accident, mind you. It was a lesson in intimacy. Without all the strobes and lasers, the room shrank to the size of a dirty nightclub at last call, every blemish in plain view. And with that simple gesture, we were reminded that we are all indeed just people. People that need to connect with one another.

One night, before a Foo Fighters show in Vancouver, my tour manager alerted me that the “Boss” himself, Bruce Springsteen, was in attendance (cue paralyzing nerves). Frozen with fear, I wondered how I could possibly perform in front of this legendary showman, famous for his epic concerts that span four hours. I surely could never live up to his lofty expectations! It turns out he was there to see the opening band (cue devastating humiliation), so I was off the hook. But we chatted briefly before the gig, and I was again reminded of not only the human being behind every superhero, but also the reason millions of people identify with him: He is real. Three hours later, as I sat on a locker-room bench recovering from the show, drenched in my own sweat, there was a knock at the door. Bruce wanted to say hello. Having actually stayed for our set (cue jaw crashing to the floor), he very generously thanked us and commented on our performance, specifically the rapport we seem to have with our audience. Something he obviously understood very well. When asked where he watched the show from, he said that he’d stood in the crowd, just like everyone else. Of course he did. He was searching for that connection too. A few days later, I received a letter from Bruce, handwritten on hotel stationery, that explained this very clearly. “When you look out at the audience,” he wrote, “you should see yourself in them, just as they should see themselves in you.”

Not to brag, but I think I’ve had the best seat in the house for 25 years. Because I do see you. I see you pressed against the cold front rails. I see you air-drumming along to your favorite songs in the distant rafters. I see you lifted above the crowd and carried to the stage for a glorious swan dive back into its sweaty embrace. I see your homemade signs and your vintage T-shirts. I hear your laughter and your screams and I see your tears. I have seen you yawn (yeah, you), and I’ve watched you pass out drunk in your seat. I've seen you in hurricane-force winds, in 100-degree heat, in subzero temperatures. I have even seen some of you grow older and become parents, now with your children's Day-Glo protective headphones bouncing on your shoulders. And each night when I tell our lighting engineer to “Light ’em up!,” I do so because I need that room to shrink, and to join with you as one under the harsh, fluorescent glow.

In today’s world of fear and unease and social distancing, it's hard to imagine sharing experiences like these ever again. I don’t know when it will be safe to return to singing arm in arm at the top of our lungs, hearts racing, bodies moving, souls bursting with life. But I do know that we will do it again, because we have to. It’s not a choice. We’re human. We need moments that reassure us that we are not alone. That we are understood. That we are imperfect. And, most important, that we need each other. I have shared my music, my words, my life with the people who come to our shows. And they have shared their voices with me. Without that audience—that screaming, sweating audience—my songs would only be sound. But together, we are instruments in a sonic cathedral, one that we build together night after night. And one that we will surely build again.

Great story. I wonder what year the Vancouver concert was and who was the opening act Bruce wanted to see? Wonder if he had a show in town, too. He was here in 2012 the night after McCartney. Also 2008 but I don't recall if Foo Fighters were here at the same time.

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have a hamper outside your house for her to change out of her clothes immediately BEFORE entering your home.....clothes straight to the machine....she goes straight to the shower. Anti-Bacterial soap no matter what.

(Genuine question)

Does anti-bacterial soap have any effect on a virus?

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60 Years a Fan

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have a hamper outside your house for her to change out of her clothes immediately BEFORE entering your home.....clothes straight to the machine....she goes straight to the shower. Anti-Bacterial soap no matter what.

(Genuine question)

Does anti-bacterial soap have any effect on a virus?

Soap destroys it, whether the soap is antibacterial or not is irrelevant (at least where the virus is concerned: it may save you from bacterial diseases of course).



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