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I am writing from Milano, Italy.

Things ARE quite complicated here.

A thought to all the doctors who are facing the emergency: hospitals are close to collapse (and Lombardy's health system probably is the most efficient in Italy).

A thought also to all the people who are hit hard by the consequences of the emergency: empty shops, restaurants, hotels etc. means thousands of people who could - and very probably will - loose their job.

For the sake of decency, my I ask BY to cancel corriere . it from the list of trusted international news papers.

C

I hope you, your family and friends are alright, liddas.

For the time being, all alive and kinking, thank you!

But it's just a matter of time, and there is nothing much that you can do.

Friends who are doctors are very very concerned. They are working in conditions that are a complete nightmare.

To give you the idea of how irresponsibly this whole matter has been dealt with, listen to this.

The decree that put a large part of North Italy in a sort of quarantene in fact, was released at 3.30 in the morning, Sunday 8 March.

What happened Saturday that wasn't already there Friday or Thursday? Nothing!

Why didn't they adopt the restrictions 48h earlier? Do you have an answer?

It was nice and sunny this past WE. It had just snowed. The last WE on the slopes for many. You can just imagine how many people were on the mountains?

I tell you: thousands!!

Italian do it better?

As I see it, the rest of Europe is not much better.

My ex wife is an ultrarunner. This past WE she participated to a very popular race in Gran Canaria (Transgrancanaria). She flew in with a large group of friends, all from Milan and other parts of North Italy. No controls, and huge participation. What if only one of them was carrying the virus? Why wasn't the race cancelled?


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IORR is a private site owned and maintained by the editor (me). I spend many hours every day moderating and keeping this site in order. It is all for free, as you may have noticed, there are no advertisements on iorr.

If you do not like the policy then feel free to go other places with your comments. There are two million visitors on IORR every year, and tens of thousands posting. Of all people 99.99% do understand and respect the very basic rules of the posting policy. For those who call me a nazi or dictator or communist or idiot or something similar all I have to say is feel free to bring your stuff to other places.

Hey Man -

I appreciate you letting all the "OT" discussions take place at all.

I generally like the vibe of people and discussions here and don't want to "go somewhere else"....so, your tolerance (and efforts) are much appreciated.

Folks..cut the dude (BV) a break....he could just as easily have a "If your post is NOT clearly related to the Stones, it gets deleted" policy...

clearly the posts show we don't want that.

I too sometimes have some head-scratcher moments regarding why some things were "targeted" by BV and not others, but in the end, it's not my website and overall BV is fair w/ his warnings and double-warnings and overall tolerance of "all things off-topic"...

he's trying to keep the place civil and apolitical while allowing "off-topic" discussions to carry on as organically as possible....it's not an easy task.

Take a look at how ugly YouTube comments can get....it's disgusting at times....I can see why BV doesn't want that here, so cut the guy a break.

The only reason why this thread is kept open is because it is highly relevant vs tour or no tour this summer.

Bjornulf

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The only reason why this thread is kept open is because it is highly relevant vs tour or no tour this summer.

And let we hope.. The tour can go on!
Personally i've got a good feeling about it. Don't know why, maybe because spring is coming.

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The only reason why this thread is kept open is because it is highly relevant vs tour or no tour this summer.

And let we hope.. The tour can go on!
Personally i've got a good feeling about it. Don't know why, maybe because spring is coming.

Yes if warm temps help any at all worst case maybe the first few shows get moved to the end of the tour. Which for me will stink because I planned family Florida trip the week after the Atlanta show!

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its all a storm in a glass of water... a normal flu is more dangerous...

Tell that to the families of the 133 italians who died in just one day.

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its all a storm in a glass of water... a normal flu is more dangerous...

That’s not what the worlds leading experts on such matters say but of course you know better ><

Nate

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its all a storm in a glass of water... a normal flu is more dangerous...

Tell that to the stock owners of companies who lost billions of dollars today due to the panic on Wall Street. Tell that to all those in the industries who will loose their jobs this spring due to the worst economical contraction since 2008.

Tell that to those who are looking forward to Stones shows this summer, now in danger of cancellation due to the virus. Mimai may have been the last show so far, and for a while.

There is a vaccine vs the normal flu, having a death rate of 0.1%. The coronavirus is approx TEN times more fatal, and there is no vaccine in sight for still a year or more.

I think it is about time to stop pretending the coronavirus will just go away.

Bjornulf

I sure hope the Stones ( Mick for the most part) are reviewing their contracts now and not waiting until April. The news media here in the USA say that they are trying not to alarm people but just by virtue of the fact that there are hourly updates, increases anxiety. This increased anxiety is leading to a dramatic drop in ticket sales and THAT will be the thing that will get this tour cancelled. From reading many of the posts here that are FACT BASED regarding the duration of this virus, it seems that it will be quite prevalent this summer and way beyond. BV, do you see the Stones making an announcement soon...or will they hold out hope that his virus will be under control? You know the inner workings of the Stones organization...based on your knowledge, is it possible that they will just cancel now and in that way stop the speculation and anxiety? One less thing to worry about!

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I sure hope the Stones ( Mick for the most part) are reviewing their contracts now and not waiting until April. The news media here in the USA say that they are trying not to alarm people but just by virtue of the fact that there are hourly updates, increases anxiety. This increased anxiety is leading to a dramatic drop in ticket sales and THAT will be the thing that will get this tour cancelled. From reading many of the posts here that are FACT BASED regarding the duration of this virus, it seems that it will be quite prevalent this summer and way beyond. BV, do you see the Stones making an announcement soon...or will they hold out hope that his virus will be under control? You know the inner workings of the Stones organization...based on your knowledge, is it possible that they will just cancel now and in that way stop the speculation and anxiety? One less thing to worry about!

This correctly identifies the problem. Perception becomes reality. Even if many more people die each day from regular flu and otherwise healthy people who get the virus are told to just stay home and they will recover.

Fear will likely kill ticket sales like it is doing to the rest of the economy.

The funny part of your post was where the media says it's trying not to alarm people

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I sure hope the Stones ( Mick for the most part) are reviewing their contracts now and not waiting until April. The news media here in the USA say that they are trying not to alarm people but just by virtue of the fact that there are hourly updates, increases anxiety. This increased anxiety is leading to a dramatic drop in ticket sales and THAT will be the thing that will get this tour cancelled. From reading many of the posts here that are FACT BASED regarding the duration of this virus, it seems that it will be quite prevalent this summer and way beyond. BV, do you see the Stones making an announcement soon...or will they hold out hope that his virus will be under control? You know the inner workings of the Stones organization...based on your knowledge, is it possible that they will just cancel now and in that way stop the speculation and anxiety? One less thing to worry about!

They'd look foolish if come April counts are falling and by May it's a non-issue. I'm sure they'll wait until there's no other logical choice.



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I sure hope the Stones ( Mick for the most part) are reviewing their contracts now and not waiting until April. The news media here in the USA say that they are trying not to alarm people but just by virtue of the fact that there are hourly updates, increases anxiety. This increased anxiety is leading to a dramatic drop in ticket sales and THAT will be the thing that will get this tour cancelled. From reading many of the posts here that are FACT BASED regarding the duration of this virus, it seems that it will be quite prevalent this summer and way beyond. BV, do you see the Stones making an announcement soon...or will they hold out hope that his virus will be under control? You know the inner workings of the Stones organization...based on your knowledge, is it possible that they will just cancel now and in that way stop the speculation and anxiety? One less thing to worry about!

Agree that ticket sales will impact, but with the Stones tickets being mostly (more than half and likely 70-80%) sold already, actual attendance will likely be more of an impact. People unwilling to travel, be in large crowds etc., will be many no doubt. Ticket sales will drive other concerts and events not on sale yet, but the Stones tour will be a gray area on whether to proceed based more on public safety etc imo. And of course they've reviewed contracts etc already and have made contingency plans.

MisterDDDD--how could you be so naive? I'm sure right now Mick has his reading glasses out and is examining the fine print of the contracts. No chance he has highly paid lawyers to do that for him. Once Mick figures it out, he will likely run it by Ronnie just to make sure his interpretation of the legalese is correct. Then they will get the horn section together and all make a unified decision.

Rokyfan, that was supposed to be " funny", because the irony is that the media is causing a lot of alarm right now, whether it is founded in facts or not. It's crashing The Stock Market, causing people to cancel plane reservations and vacations in general...but who knows, maybe this is necessary, no one can be sure at this point.

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MisterDDDD--how could you be so naive? I'm sure right now Mick has his reading glasses out and is examining the fine print of the contracts. No chance he has highly paid lawyers to do that for him. Once Mick figures it out, he will likely run it by Ronnie just to make sure his interpretation of the legalese is correct. Then they will get the horn section together and all make a unified decision.

"They" meaning their mangers etc. assuming you're not being sarcastic.

I have contingency plans in place for the period if tour gets cancelled, (great run of club shows in NY), so yes of course they (Rolling Stones Inc.) have them already.

With the economic crisis precipitated by COVID-19, some people are going to be losing jobs & of course a lot of small businesses will be affected badly. Kind of hard to justify $800 (or whatever it is) for a ticket under those circumstances even if the tour goes on. I know since I had to retire, I have to watch how I spend very carefully.

From BBC News:

Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance on risk factors within crowds of people:
"One person in a 70,000 seater stadium is not going to infect the stadium, they'll infect potentially a few people they've got very close contact with"

[twitter.com]

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With the economic crisis precipitated by COVID-19, some people are going to be losing jobs & of course a lot of small businesses will be affected badly. Kind of hard to justify $800 (or whatever it is) for a ticket under those circumstances even if the tour goes on. I know since I had to retire, I have to watch how I spend very carefully.

Well, luckily not all the tickets for sale are $800.

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From BBC News:

Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance on risk factors within crowds of people:
"One person in a 70,000 seater stadium is not going to infect the stadium, they'll infect potentially a few people they've got very close contact with"

[twitter.com]

Yeah, but if that one person is an attendant or food worker, the risk factor goes way up as well as triggering thousands of tests on an overtaxed system.

I feel like I've gotten sick from airplanes, doctor's offices, etc. Never once have I gotten ill and thought it was because I was at a ballgame or a concert.

This site shows a 5 minutes update regarding the Coronavirus COVID-19 statistics, worldwide.

[www.worldometers.info]



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This is how the virus is handled in Norway politically vs shows and crowds:

- Norway has got 176 total confirmed coronavirus cases as of now, and zero - 0 - cases of death
- The first virus case was detected Feb 26 i.e. thirteen - 13 - days ago
- The city of Stavanger banned all crowds larger than 500 this week-end
- The two Bryan Adams shows in Oslo and Stavanger this week was just canceled
- The largest sports event of the year - Holmenkollen ski festival - was with no crowd the past week-end
- Ice hockey play-off due to start this week is postponed for an indefinite time

The coronavirus situation in USA is more serious than the status we do have in Norway, with 22 fatalities today, increasing at a rate which is uncomfortable.

The Rolling Stones does not have to do anything for still a month or so, but before they start rehearsals, a month or so before tour start, then I am sure the situation defined by the authorities in USA will tell us all where we are vs tour or no tour. May be money rules, but I can't see any shows with more than 500 people anywhere in Europe as of later this month and on. The Stones crowds in USA/CA are an average of 50,000, I wonder what authority would allow such crowds if the situation is still like it is developing now.

Bjornulf

Looks like Norway is handling the situation very rationally. With so many unknowns at this point, why ask for extra trouble.

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MisterDDDD--how could you be so naive? I'm sure right now Mick has his reading glasses out and is examining the fine print of the contracts. No chance he has highly paid lawyers to do that for him. Once Mick figures it out, he will likely run it by Ronnie just to make sure his interpretation of the legalese is correct. Then they will get the horn section together and all make a unified decision.

Are you joking? Mick most certainly has high-paid legal TEAMS do this for him.

....and, they've been hard at work going over all of it and coming up w/ contingency plans since the first case hit the US...perhaps earlier.

we're talking absurd amounts of money...Mick is not doing all the work himself, even if he were a lawyer...it's just plain stupid NOT to hire lawyers in a situation like this, especially if you have the money.

FYI - an empire such as the Stones always has contingency plans....especially at their age w/ a health-scare (or two or three) under their belts in recent years.

they probably already have like 4-5 COVID-19 scenarios and "The Stones Official Plan" laid out for each of them.

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I feel like I've gotten sick from airplanes, doctor's offices, etc. Never once have I gotten ill and thought it was because I was at a ballgame or a concert.

And so...your point is that you didn't think you've ever gotten sick from a ballgame or concert before?

Sorry, was that your point?

From someone in the know ... (this is generally speaking) but near term ticket sales in North America are down and long term ticket sales are healthy.

Secondary market exchanges are changing payment policies to payment after event for all events for some sellers or for specified "high risk" events (Coachella, Burning Man etc) for others.

My roommate just informed me he has been sick for 3 weeks. I told him he is going to be okay but might have killed any geezers he has encountered.

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MisterDDDD--how could you be so naive? I'm sure right now Mick has his reading glasses out and is examining the fine print of the contracts. No chance he has highly paid lawyers to do that for him. Once Mick figures it out, he will likely run it by Ronnie just to make sure his interpretation of the legalese is correct. Then they will get the horn section together and all make a unified decision.

Are you joking? Mick most certainly has high-paid legal TEAMS do this for him.

....and, they've been hard at work going over all of it and coming up w/ contingency plans since the first case hit the US...perhaps earlier.

we're talking absurd amounts of money...Mick is not doing all the work himself, even if he were a lawyer...it's just plain stupid NOT to hire lawyers in a situation like this, especially if you have the money.

FYI - an empire such as the Stones always has contingency plans....especially at their age w/ a health-scare (or two or three) under their belts in recent years.

they probably already have like 4-5 COVID-19 scenarios and "The Stones Official Plan" laid out for each of them.

Re-read the original post...he's clearly kidding around, as evidenced by Mick using Ronnie and the horn section as his legal team.

Please remember that if you sell your stocks today you are locking in your losses. Smart investors make money in these markets. Always think about who benefits from panic.

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This site shows a 5 minutes update regarding the Coronavirus COVID-19 statistics, worldwide.

[www.worldometers.info]

It says 1.191 cases in Germany and 18 recovered. I don't know where these number are from. But I personally know of a group of 27 people that recovered. These days there is a new statistic every five minutes.

I do not rely on statistics but rather on common sense: Wash your hands, watch our for the people with low immune system, stay at home when sick and only go to work when you are healthy!