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Most scary is what restrictions will be implemented and for how long. The leaders don't want to take risks with the hospital capacities in case of a surge, but how many of them have actually used the past year to invest in an increased ICU capacity for their people? Money well spent, if society's wheels can be kept turning.
so hang on...you're suggesting it's BETTER to simply increase ICU capacity instead of doing a lockdown?
Better to fill up the hospitals and keep the restaurants and bars open?
Wow, OK.
Of course it’s better to increase ICU capacity than shut down society.Why should people have their lives restricted in this manner because of a lack of investment in healthcare.If authorities don’t stop these lockdowns soon there will not be a healthcare system at all.Where do you think the money comes from to fund healthcare in the first place.
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To handle omicron ICU capacity will need to increase by a fact or 3, 5, 10, 20? Who is going to staff the ICU's, how is going a hospital going to increase their number of beds by 5 times? You just are against any precautions like lockdowns or masks.
If authorities do nothing the healthcare system collapses. Temporary, short term lockdowns will not destroy the healthcare system. Obviously you do not understand math, public health or economics.
Obviously you haven't read or have chosen to ignore what else I wrote about increasing hospital capacity.
I think you need professional help to get over your covid experience it seems to have left you in constant fear of the virus.
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skytrench
Let's hope the extra ICU capacity will not be necessary, although it's a little late now. Should have been planned for many months ago. I'm afraid they put all their eggs in the vaccine basket, hoped for the best and now the situation risks getting out of control anyway.
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Let's hope the extra ICU capacity will not be necessary, although it's a little late now. Should have been planned for many months ago. I'm afraid they put all their eggs in the vaccine basket, hoped for the best and now the situation risks getting out of control anyway.
Capacity doesn't just mean more beds, but who's supposed to care for these people?
There's no system in place to have that many extra beds that have people that can take care of the increase in patients, so the many months you wished for wouldn't make a difference.
In view of that isn't it better to not have to take the trip to the hospital to be put into a medically induced ventilated coma, by taking some pretty simple evasive action?
It seems ludicrous to be on the other side of this argument.
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Most scary is what restrictions will be implemented and for how long. The leaders don't want to take risks with the hospital capacities in case of a surge, but how many of them have actually used the past year to invest in an increased ICU capacity for their people? Money well spent, if society's wheels can be kept turning.
so hang on...you're suggesting it's BETTER to simply increase ICU capacity instead of doing a lockdown?
Better to fill up the hospitals and keep the restaurants and bars open?
Wow, OK.
Of course it’s better to increase ICU capacity than shut down society.Why should people have their lives restricted in this manner because of a lack of investment in healthcare.If authorities don’t stop these lockdowns soon there will not be a healthcare system at all.Where do you think the money comes from to fund healthcare in the first place.
Nate
To handle omicron ICU capacity will need to increase by a fact or 3, 5, 10, 20? Who is going to staff the ICU's, how is going a hospital going to increase their number of beds by 5 times? You just are against any precautions like lockdowns or masks.
If authorities do nothing the healthcare system collapses. Temporary, short term lockdowns will not destroy the healthcare system. Obviously you do not understand math, public health or economics.
Obviously you haven't read or have chosen to ignore what else I wrote about increasing hospital capacity.
I think you need professional help to get over your covid experience it seems to have left you in constant fear of the virus.
Nate
I have read through what you wrote and it is nonsensical. How do you propose increase ICU capacity by 500% in the next 30 days? This is a now issue, not a long term issue. If you can show you have a plan to increase ICU capacity in the short term say so, but if you do not you are part of the problem, not the solution.
I am not in fear of the virus, I am just not clueless and upset like you that I need to wear a mask at a show or taking specific societal precautions because I don't like them. I have attended more shows than you have but I am careful about it. I have had it and have been vaccinated 3 times which means I am at the lowest risk based on studies a friend of mine has been involved with. I don't make stupid statements like I will not go to a if a mask is required or the world will end if I can't go to a bar or pub. You are just concerned about your inconveniences caused by the virus. Sounds like you just have a selfish perspective to me.
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Most scary is what restrictions will be implemented and for how long. The leaders don't want to take risks with the hospital capacities in case of a surge, but how many of them have actually used the past year to invest in an increased ICU capacity for their people? Money well spent, if society's wheels can be kept turning.
so hang on...you're suggesting it's BETTER to simply increase ICU capacity instead of doing a lockdown?
Better to fill up the hospitals and keep the restaurants and bars open?
Wow, OK.
Of course it’s better to increase ICU capacity than shut down society.Why should people have their lives restricted in this manner because of a lack of investment in healthcare.If authorities don’t stop these lockdowns soon there will not be a healthcare system at all.Where do you think the money comes from to fund healthcare in the first place.
Nate
To handle omicron ICU capacity will need to increase by a fact or 3, 5, 10, 20? Who is going to staff the ICU's, how is going a hospital going to increase their number of beds by 5 times? You just are against any precautions like lockdowns or masks.
If authorities do nothing the healthcare system collapses. Temporary, short term lockdowns will not destroy the healthcare system. Obviously you do not understand math, public health or economics.
Obviously you haven't read or have chosen to ignore what else I wrote about increasing hospital capacity.
I think you need professional help to get over your covid experience it seems to have left you in constant fear of the virus.
Nate
I have read through what you wrote and it is nonsensical. How do you propose increase ICU capacity by 500% in the next 30 days? This is a now issue, not a long term issue. If you can show you have a plan to increase ICU capacity in the short term say so, but if you do not you are part of the problem, not the solution.
I am not in fear of the virus, I am just not clueless and upset like you that I need to wear a mask at a show or taking specific societal precautions because I don't like them. I have attended more shows than you have but I am careful about it. I have had it and have been vaccinated 3 times which means I am at the lowest risk based on studies a friend of mine has been involved with. I don't make stupid statements like I will not go to a if a mask is required or the world will end if I can't go to a bar or pub. You are just concerned about your inconveniences caused by the virus. Sounds like you just have a selfish perspective to me.
Yes I certainly am selfish to some degree just like most other people,what are you a monk.
I had the booster shot yesterday but I would rather it had gone to someone in the third world.
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Let's hope the extra ICU capacity will not be necessary, although it's a little late now. Should have been planned for many months ago. I'm afraid they put all their eggs in the vaccine basket, hoped for the best and now the situation risks getting out of control anyway.
Capacity doesn't just mean more beds, but who's supposed to care for these people?
There's no system in place to have that many extra beds that have people that can take care of the increase in patients, so the many months you wished for wouldn't make a difference.
In view of that isn't it better to not have to take the trip to the hospital to be put into a medically induced ventilated coma, by taking some pretty simple evasive action?
It seems ludicrous to be on the other side of this argument.
There's no reason not to try and raise treatment capacity in case of possible surges, due to vaccine evasion.
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MAF
We have no time for such discussions. Omicron is spreading very fast and it can kill you. Prevention is the easiest way now.
By the way: People working in ICU a pretty fed up with fighting for the lives of unvaccinated people. And some of them have quit their job.
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MAF
We have no time for such discussions. Omicron is spreading very fast and it can kill you. Prevention is the easiest way now.
By the way: People working in ICU a pretty fed up with fighting for the lives of unvaccinated people. And some of them have quit their job.
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Wear a seatbelt when driving?
Don’t drive when drunk?
Exhale smoke all over your non smoking friends?
Responsibility people. Wear masks. Get jabs.
We ALL do things that are Mandated already. It’s not bloody hard
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We have no time for such discussions. Omicron is spreading very fast and it can kill you. Prevention is the easiest way now.
By the way: People working in ICU a pretty fed up with fighting for the lives of unvaccinated people. And some of them have quit their job.
You can't prevent it, its too far gone. Just keep up w/ shots & boosters so that hopefully you get mild symptoms.
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So in the study by imperial college London they say that omicron is no less deadly than delta but then they admit they don't actually have enough information yet to establish if that is actually the case.
Just more scare tactics from a bunch of scientists whose predictions during this pandemic have time and time again proven to be wildly off the mark.
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So in the study by imperial college London they say that omicron is no less deadly than delta but then they admit they don't actually have enough information yet to establish if that is actually the case.
Just more scare tactics from a bunch of scientists whose predictions during this pandemic have time and time again proven to be wildly off the mark.
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So in the study by imperial college London they say that omicron is no less deadly than delta but then they admit they don't actually have enough information yet to establish if that is actually the case.
Just more scare tactics from a bunch of scientists whose predictions during this pandemic have time and time again proven to be wildly off the mark.
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That’d be the 11th best university in the world then, where scientists are conspiring to scare the public? [www.timeshighereducation.com]
Bore off with your tired conspiracy theories - adding nothing to sensible discussion
I believe the editor of the board was keen for such claims to be backed up to links to evidence, published papers etc - assume you’re keen to quote and share these rather than my mate this or Facebook that? And I see the rambling has moved from Imperial scientists to SAGE group in general now?Quote
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So in the study by imperial college London they say that omicron is no less deadly than delta but then they admit they don't actually have enough information yet to establish if that is actually the case.
Just more scare tactics from a bunch of scientists whose predictions during this pandemic have time and time again proven to be wildly off the mark.
Nate
That’d be the 11th best university in the world then, where scientists are conspiring to scare the public? [www.timeshighereducation.com]
Bore off with your tired conspiracy theories - adding nothing to sensible discussion
It is not a conspiracy theory to say that SAGE has been wildly off the mark with many of their predictions during the pandemic.
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So in the study by imperial college London they say that omicron is no less deadly than delta but then they admit they don't actually have enough information yet to establish if that is actually the case.
Just more scare tactics from a bunch of scientists whose predictions during this pandemic have time and time again proven to be wildly off the mark.
Nate
Maybe you should try and catch it to see what the real story is. You have your opinion but it seems more like clueless optimism. Do you believe the world is flat because you can't see the curvature of earth and some scientists make such a claim.
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yorkshirestoneI believe the editor of the board was keen for such claims to be backed up to links to evidence, published papers etc - assume you’re keen to quote and share these rather than my mate this or Facebook that? And I see the rambling has moved from Imperial scientists to SAGE group in general now?Quote
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So in the study by imperial college London they say that omicron is no less deadly than delta but then they admit they don't actually have enough information yet to establish if that is actually the case.
Just more scare tactics from a bunch of scientists whose predictions during this pandemic have time and time again proven to be wildly off the mark.
Nate
That’d be the 11th best university in the world then, where scientists are conspiring to scare the public? [www.timeshighereducation.com]
Bore off with your tired conspiracy theories - adding nothing to sensible discussion
It is not a conspiracy theory to say that SAGE has been wildly off the mark with many of their predictions during the pandemic.
Nate
Same old - where’s the evidence of scare tactics from scientists you mentioned a few posts back? I think most would agree it’s a bit inconvenient the pandemic is going on a while and causes changes to lifestyles as restrictions ebb and flow, but crying about scare tactics and ‘let’s just ignore it’ isn’t adding to the debate in an intelligent or meaningful way. Suspect you’re just trying to get a rise from the sensible majority - hence my earlier suggestion of boring offQuote
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yorkshirestoneI believe the editor of the board was keen for such claims to be backed up to links to evidence, published papers etc - assume you’re keen to quote and share these rather than my mate this or Facebook that? And I see the rambling has moved from Imperial scientists to SAGE group in general now?Quote
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So in the study by imperial college London they say that omicron is no less deadly than delta but then they admit they don't actually have enough information yet to establish if that is actually the case.
Just more scare tactics from a bunch of scientists whose predictions during this pandemic have time and time again proven to be wildly off the mark.
Nate
That’d be the 11th best university in the world then, where scientists are conspiring to scare the public? [www.timeshighereducation.com]
Bore off with your tired conspiracy theories - adding nothing to sensible discussion
It is not a conspiracy theory to say that SAGE has been wildly off the mark with many of their predictions during the pandemic.
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Such as the evidence that’s missing from the study that claimed omicron is no less deadly than delta.
Once again as I’ve stated many times before I am not a conspiracy theorist anti vax or even anti restrictions in exceptional circumstances.I was completely behind the first lockdown as I’m sure 99% of people were when those awful scenes of people dying in hospital corridors in Italy were on the news but the situation is nothing like that now.This situation has now gone on for far too long and many people myself included are simply not prepared to tolerate restrictions anymore.
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