This is how the children's vaccination laws are in Norway at present:

All age 16 and above are sole responsible of their own health matters, and they may decide on their own about medical assistance, vaccination and so on.

For children under the age of 16, there is a general children vaccination law, where you need approval from just one one of the two parents. Also, the child should be heard, if the child have a strong opinion on the health matters, like vaccine.

As for covid-19 vaccine, the health authorities and the government in Norway announced a new Covid vaccination law in June this year, which basically says BOTH parents need to approve vaccination of children age 12-15. However, like with the general children vaccination program, if the parents disagree, then the child do have a say on it's own. The child's own rights is strong in Norway.

Run the below law docuent through google translate, and you will see the lawyers and health experts have done their best at taking care of both the children, the legal parts, as well as any concerns about parental disagreements.

Covid -19 - Samtykke på vegne av barn til koronavaksine (FHI June 16, 2021)
English: Covid -19 - Consent on behalf of children for corona vaccine

[www.fhi.no]

Bjornulf

Relevant information:

When Will the Delta Surge End?

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New York Times:

When Will the Delta Surge End?

The variant retreated unexpectedly in Britain and India, but has begun to rebound. The United States may take an even bumpier path, scientists said.

Americans should expect to see surges over Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year’s, as they did last year— although none as bad as they were last winter.
“I don’t think we’re really going to turn the corner until next spring,” - Dr. Celine Gounder

Delta

The United States has entered the fourth wave of the pandemic — or fifth, depending on which expert you ask. As the vaccination campaign lags and the contagious Delta variant spreads, cases and hospitalizations are at their highest since last winter. Covid-19 deaths, too, are on a steady incline. After every other peak has come a trough, however, often for reasons that were not immediately obvious. In Britain, where the variant is also the dominant form of the coronavirus, daily cases fell from a peak of 60,000 in mid-July to half that within two weeks, though they have since been climbing again. In India, the numbers spiked to more than 400,000 daily cases this spring; experts estimated that the true figure could be more than 20 times greater. The unimaginable toll shocked many who had declared that the country had successfully eluded the virus. But then, in June, infections fell drastically. Scientists are struggling to understand why Delta outbreaks in those countries dissipated, even if temporarily, and what that may mean for similar surges, including the one in the United States. In the United States, the variant’s pace has slowed, and new infections are falling in some states, like Missouri, that Delta struck hard. The number of infections over the last week is now 14 percent higher than it was two weeks ago, a fraction of the rate during much of July and early August.

Is the Delta surge beginning to slow in the United States? Or is the variant putting the country on course for months of bumps and valleys? Expert opinion varies widely on the direction of the virus in the coming months. A number of national forecasts being tracked by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention predict that cases will rise in the early weeks of September — but many foresee the opposite. “Whatever downturn we have, I think, will be fairly mild,” said Dr. Celine Gounder, an epidemiologist and infectious disease specialist at Bellevue Hospital Center in New York. “We’re right at that tipping point where back-to-school will tip us back into growth at some point.” Dr. Gounder predicted that cases in the United States would climb again in September before subsiding in October. The virus may have burned through unvaccinated segments of the population this summer, Dr. Gounder said, but other people remained vulnerable. “I don’t think that means that everybody who was susceptible has been infected,” she said. “I think people tend to have a false sense of security about that.” As schoolchildren and some office workers begin mixing in greater numbers this fall, for example, resurgences may appear, she said. Other epidemiologists said that they were encouraged by trends in Southern states where schools had already opened, noting that while infections were growing among children, they were also falling off among adults.

It is important “not to overly extrapolate” from Delta’s course through Britain and India, Dr. Gounder added. The three countries vary greatly in the percentage of population vaccinated, the ages of the vaccinated, the embrace of large gatherings and open schools, and the prevalence of mask-wearing and other precautions. Even the weather may be playing a role. Britain’s infections thinned in the summer, while the United States is heading into fall with a huge burden of cases. More people gathering indoors will mean more opportunities for the virus to spread. Delta’s path across the United States has depended heavily upon vaccination rates, social behaviors, the weather and various levels of precautions, epidemiologists said. Week on week, cases are now falling in a number of Southeastern states and California, but rising across much of the Midwest and Northeast. The variant is thought to be more contagious than previous versions of the coronavirus because the infected carry it in substantially greater amounts in their airways. This makes the variant particularly adept at exploiting opportunities for transmission — the crowded nightclub, the classroom with an unmasked teacher. But it also means that even modest restrictions, like masking and distancing, can bring numbers back down.

In the Netherlands, where 62 percent of the population is fully inoculated, cases went up by 500 percent after the country removed restrictions. That forced the government to reintroduce some measures, including closing nightclubs and limiting the hours for indoor dining, leading to a rapid decline in new cases. By mid-June, three weeks into Britain’s Delta surge, cases stopped climbing as quickly as they had been, said Paul Hunter, a professor of medicine at the University of East Anglia and an adviser to the World Health Organization on Covid-19. One major event changed all that: the European soccer championships, a monthlong series of matches featuring an unusually strong England team that filled pubs and living rooms beginning in mid-June. Cases soared among the young and unvaccinated, especially among men. “Because Delta is so much more infectious, it tends to move through communities much more quickly,” Dr. Hunter said. “And if it’s more infectious, it’s going to gobble up the remaining susceptible people more quickly.” Britain is now nearing a point of what Dr. Hunter described as endemic equilibrium, where cases level off as more people develop immunity from vaccination or past infection, even as others see their levels of protection gradually fade.

Bill Hanage, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, said, “Once the schools close, once the football is over, and after the regular contact networks reassert themselves, then Delta has fewer places to go and it slumps.” But Dr. Hunter cautioned that the point at which infections stabilize remained highly dependent on how and where people mixed, as well as the season. After daily new cases in Britain halved from mid- to late July, they began climbing again. In recent weeks, Dr. Hunter said, the rise has been driven by outbreaks in regions that had seen relatively few cases earlier in the pandemic and, therefore, had less naturally acquired immunity, including southwest England and rural parts of Scotland and Northern Ireland. The variant took a different course in largely unvaccinated India. In the months before the second wave, as cases dropped and hospitals emptied out, life had gone back to near normal in many parts of India. In early March, the government declared that the country was in “the endgame of the pandemic,” and Prime Minister Narendra Modi sanctioned crowded election rallies in several states, as well as the Kumbh Mela festival, which attracted millions of devotees. Weddings, cricket matches and family gatherings were in full swing. In the weeks that followed, millions of people fell sick and thousands died. Hospitals in several major cities were overwhelmed as oxygen and other critical supplies ran out. But the cases dropped nearly as rapidly as they began, especially in the worst hit states.

Although the official tally of cases in India is likely to be an underestimate, the plunge cannot be attributed to a decrease in testing, said Bhramar Mukherjee, a biostatistician at the University of Michigan. “We always predicted the second wave to be tall and skinny,” Dr. Mukherjee said. “If you rise that fast, the decline is also steep as you burn through the susceptible population quickly.” Antibody testing suggested that the proportion of Indians who had been infected rose to 67 percent in July from 21.5 percent in January. Antibody tests can be unreliable, but if those numbers are close to accurate, natural immunity may help the country stave off another horrific wave. India may need to rely on natural immunity, because only 9 percent of its population is fully vaccinated, compared with just over 50 percent in the United States. For the moment, cases in India have plateaued at significantly higher levels than seen earlier in the pandemic. Britain rolled out vaccines by age, and 90 percent of adults have received at least one shot. The strategy yielded benefits, limiting hospitalizations even as cases swelled. In the United States, the distribution of vaccines is patchier — and Delta’s rise and fall will be, too, Dr. Hanage said. “The nature of Delta transmission means that the cases are going to go up in a lot of places at around the same time, but the consequences will be much, much worse in terms of absolute numbers in places with less vaccination,” he said.

Dr. Hanage warned that reopening of schools and offices in the United States would add to cases. About 10 million adolescents in the country are immunized, which may blunt the impact of school reopenings in particular, and more children may be vaccinated this fall. Schools did not turn out to be hotbeds of infection in previous waves, but school districts have fewer restrictions in place now. “A lot of schools across the country are just not taking this very seriously this year,” Dr. Gounder said. “So you will see transmission from schools back into the community.” Americans should expect to see surges over Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year’s, as they did last year, she added — although none as bad as they were last winter. “I don’t think we’re really going to turn the corner until next spring,” Dr. Gounder said.

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Here in WA where we have pretty decent vaccination rates Aug was the worst month for cases ever. Hospitalizations also at an all time high. That's true in many places yet more people are out and about, more people are going unmasked, more events are being held, etc. It's hard to understand the laissez faire attitude given current data points.

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Here in WA where we have pretty decent vaccination rates Aug was the worst month for cases ever. Hospitalizations also at an all time high. That's true in many places yet more people are out and about, more people are going unmasked, more events are being held, etc. It's hard to understand the laissez faire attitude given current data points.

Did you watch Seahawks game? I bet 20% max were masked in crowd. Lots had masks around their neck, probably only wore to get in. Impossible to enforce mandate in that situation. I'll watch on TV.

Denmark Lifts All Coronavirus Restrictions Except Entry Rules (Forbes)

From September 10, Denmark will remove all domestic restrictions related to Covid-19. In a news release, Danish minister of health Magnus Heunicke said the country’s high vaccination rate means the pandemic is “under control” in Denmark and is no longer a “critical threat to society.”

The move means Danes will no longer need to show a coronavirus certificate to enter restaurants, nightclubs or large events. However, the travel and border restrictions remain in place for now.

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Here in WA where we have pretty decent vaccination rates Aug was the worst month for cases ever. Hospitalizations also at an all time high. That's true in many places yet more people are out and about, more people are going unmasked, more events are being held, etc. It's hard to understand the laissez faire attitude given current data points.

Did you watch Seahawks game? I bet 20% max were masked in crowd. Lots had masks around their neck, probably only wore to get in. Impossible to enforce mandate in that situation. I'll watch on TV.

Imagine the rabid fans at Stones shows belting out Start Me Up at the top of their lungs without masks on.
And then there's overly drunk ones slobbering their way through Brown Sugar without a mask..."I said yeah, yeah, yeah...WOOH"!!!!.........
The combo of maskless morons and ant-vaxxers is bad enough, but then there's the vaccinated who are also carrying and spreading the virus...nowhere to run, nowhere to hide....

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COVID Deaths Drop to New Lows in U.S., While Vaccination Rates Climb

TUESDAY, June 22, 2021 (HealthDay News) --
The United States reached two promising pandemic milestones on Monday: COVID-19 deaths dropped below 300 a day and 150 million Americans are now fully vaccinated.

COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death in America in 2020, behind only heart disease and cancer, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But as the pandemic loosens its grip on this country, it has fallen down the list of the biggest killers, the Associated Press reported.

CDC data suggests that more Americans are now dying every day from accidents, chronic lower respiratory diseases, strokes or Alzheimer's disease than from COVID-19, the wire service said.
[www.usnews.com]

Cases up, deaths way down. Vaccines way up.
All Good news.



Vaccination Rates Rose In August As COVID Cases Surged Due To The Delta Variant


Vaccination rates were up in August as COVID-19 surges due to the delta variant led more people to seek the vaccine. That's according to White House COVID-19 coordinator Jeffrey Zients, who spoke at a briefing for reporters Tuesday. About 14 million U.S. residents received their first dose of a COVID-19 shot in August, he said, which is about 4 million more than in July.

Zients credits the widespread adoption of vaccine mandates by governments, schools and businesses. He pointed to the jump in vaccinations in Washington state, where the weekly vaccinate rate rose 34% after the state announced vaccination requirements for state employees, teachers and school staff.
[www.npr.org]

Article published just two days ago:

Vaccine Hesitancy Is Still Strong In Many COVID-19-Battered States

Cronavirus-Pandemic-Vaccine hesitancy

A lot has happened over the past month that had the potential to convince vaccine hesitant Americans to get the jab: More than 1,000 Americans are dying every day, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration fully approved one of the COVID-19 vaccines, and Republicans have been more emphatic that everyone — even their supporters — needs to get vaccinated.

But the effect has been mixed. Each month for the past four months, Morning Consult has asked Americans whether they’ve gotten the vaccine and, if not, whether they plan to. The most recent results show a notable dip in the number of vaccine-hesitant Americans — those who say they do not plan to get the vaccine, or are unsure if they ever will — in some hard-hit states, while others barely budged even as COVID-19 cases climbed and prominent Republicans promoted the vaccine during the same period when the poll was conducted (July 24 to August 23). Packed ICUs and Ron DeSantis speeches aren’t always enough to sway people who reject the vaccine.

Take Florida, where new COVID-19 cases began climbing in early July. Now, the average number of deaths per day in the state is higher than at any other point of the ongoing pandemic. The day before Morning Consult’s most recent round of polling began, Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis publicly promoted the vaccines, saying that they are saving lives and defended himself against pushback from Republican anti-vaxxers who thought he was doing too much to tout the vaccine. Vaccination rates in the state did climb during this period: from early July to early August, the number of doses administered daily increased by 50 percent, though they remain far below April’s peak. But according to the Morning Consult survey, from July to August the percentage of Floridians unsure if they wanted to receive the vaccine only decreased by 0.6 percentage points — less than the poll’s 1 percent margin of error. The number of vaccine refusers in the poll decreased by 1.2 percentage points.

In South Carolina, July and August also saw a cascade of new cases that rival the state’s peak in January. Some state Republicans — but not all — have stressed vaccination. Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham has been promoting the vaccine since he received his first dose last year, doubling his efforts after he tested positive for a breakthrough case in August. But vaccination rates increased only modestly here, from a seven-day moving average of around 3,000 doses per day at the start of July to 5,206 at the start of August. And like other southern states, South Carolina barely saw a change among vaccine-hesitant residents between July and August polls. The percent of South Carolinians who said they did not plan to get the vaccine dropped from 22.9 percent to 21.6 percent, while those who were unsure was essentially unchanged at 12.6 percent.

Of course, not all states with the highest COVID-19 rates are run entirely by the GOP. In Kentucky, where Gov. Andy Beshear, a Democrat, has promoted vaccines and mask-wearing, there also has been hardly any change in uncertainty and refusal rates over the last month despite increased vaccination rates in some of the state’s counties that were previously lagging. In fact, from July to August, the number of vaccine refusers in the state essentially stayed the same. And more or less the same number of people in the state are unsure whether they want the vaccine.

On the other hand, some states registered more of a change, although significant pockets of resistance remain. Mississippi, which has one of the lowest COVID-19 vaccination rates in the country, saw a record-breaking wave of new cases in August. Some Republicans here, too, began publicly touting the vaccine over the last few weeks, such as state Sen. Jeremy England. England got his first dose of the vaccine in August, and made several lengthy social media posts promoting the vaccine, writing that “The verdict is out. The vaccine works.” Vaccination rates ticked up slightly in July, and have remained steady since. Mississippi also saw a notable drop in the number of people who say they refuse to get the vaccine: 30 percent of Mississipians said they don’t plan to get the shot in the July poll, while 26 percent said so in the most recent poll. But that drop of 4 percentage points still means that more than one-quarter of the population is unwilling to get the jab. Meanwhile, the number of unsure Mississippians dropped less than 1 percentage point in the last month. The state’s Republican governor, Tate Reeves, said on Saturday that people in his state were “less scared” of the virus because they believe in “eternal life.”

Louisiana also has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country and saw a spike in single-day hospitalizations in July. That month, Democratic Gov. John Bel Edwards said the rise in cases and hospitalizations in the state was “scary” and repeatedly pushed residents to get vaccinated. On top of that, Louisiana representative and House Minority Whip Steve Scalise said that he had “high confidence” in the vaccine — four days after he received the jab himself. From then to now, however, there’s only been a “little bump” in vaccines. Vaccine hesitancy and refusal rates, however, have declined by a few percentage points: the number of people who said they wouldn’t get the vaccine dropped 4.3 percentage points over the last month, while the number of people who say they’re unsure if they want the jab dropped 0.6 percentage points. It’s possible that conditions in the state will worsen after Hurricane Ida ripped through Louisiana over the weekend. Edwards told the Associated Press on Sunday that over 2,400 COVID-19 patients were in Louisiana hospitals, many of which are grappling with power outages and infrastructure damage after the storm.

All of this again shows how getting vaccinated has become less of a public health issue and more of an identity and political one — if statements of support for vaccinations among political heavyweights in either party is moving the needle at all, it is doing so inconsistently. It seems there’s a certain bedrock of anti-vaccine Americans for whom no amount of new cases or political statements is convincing, and the rest of the public is left grappling with the consequences.

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'Full vaccination' will likely mean getting a booster shot, Fauci says

Booster

The concept of what "full vaccination" means – two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine or one of the Johnson & Johnson shot – is likely to change. That’s the estimation of Dr. Anthony Fauci, who on Thursday presented data supporting booster shots during a briefing of the White House COVID-19 response team. Asked whether another dose will be required, Fauci said the decision will be up to the Food and Drug Administration, but added, “I would not at all be surprised that the adequate full regimen for vaccination will likely be three doses.’’ The requirement of a third dose for “full vaccination’” would have broad implications for schools, businesses and other entities with vaccine mandates. Fauci pointed to the results of a study of more than 1 million people in Israel that showed a “rather substantial positive impact’’ 12 days or more after they received a Pfizer booster shot amid spread of the delta variant. Data from the study show a reduction of more than tenfold in relative risk of both infection and severe disease after the booster, Fauci said.

The Biden administration said it will start providing booster shots Sept. 20 for people whose second dose was administered at least eight months before. The need for a J&J booster shot has not been determined yet but the CDC says it's likely. “There’s no doubt from the dramatic data from the Israeli study that the boosts that are being now done there and contemplated here support very strongly the rationale for such an approach,’’ Fauci said. Members of the COVID response team also said they’re monitoring the new mu variant, which the World Health Organization says has a “constellation of mutations’’ that could allow it to dodge vaccine immunity. The variant has been detected in the U.S. but on a small scale, with the delta variant accounting for more than 99% of the sequenced infections. “We’re paying attention to it, we take everything like that seriously,’’ Fauci said, “but we don’t consider it an immediate threat right now.’’

Also in the news:

- Seattle and King County in Washington state will reinstate outdoor mask mandates for events with 500 or more in attendance starting Tuesday, and encouraged people to wear masks in other outdoor settings when not 6 feet apart.

- Ontario, home to Toronto, is the fourth Canadian province to announce residents will have to show proof of vaccination against the coronavirus to enter restaurants, theaters, gyms and other indoor public venues. British Columbia, Quebec and Manitoba previously took similar measures.

- Washington Nationals Vice President Bob Boone has informed the club he’s resigning rather than comply with the organization’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate, the Associated Press reported.

- Superintendent Tom Wilson, of Anderson School District Five in South Carolina, announced Thursday a program to pay high school students $100 for vaccination proof. Now, some parents are calling for his ouster.


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This is why any posts promoting the use of undocumented drugs here on IORR will be deleted. Such as posts related to Ivermectin, NOT approved by any health authorities.

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 (FDA USA)

The shaky science behind ivermectin as a COVID-19 cure (National Geographic Sept 2, 2021)

The drug preparations and doses vary for animals and humans, and the FDA warned people of potential harm from consuming the concentrated animal version, which contains inactive ingredients not tested for use in humans.

In an August 21 tweet, the FDA issued a warning: “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.”

But even human-grade ivermectin, considered generally safe for approved purposes—worms, head lice, and skin conditions such as rosacea—can cause side effects including headaches, nausea, diarrhea, skin rashes, and spikes in blood pressure. And seizures can result from high doses, leading to hospitalization.

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COVID Deaths Drop to New Lows in U.S., While Vaccination Rates Climb

TUESDAY, June 22, 2021 (HealthDay News) --
The United States reached two promising pandemic milestones on Monday: COVID-19 deaths dropped below 300 a day and 150 million Americans are now fully vaccinated.

COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death in America in 2020, behind only heart disease and cancer, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But as the pandemic loosens its grip on this country, it has fallen down the list of the biggest killers, the Associated Press reported.

CDC data suggests that more Americans are now dying every day from accidents, chronic lower respiratory diseases, strokes or Alzheimer's disease than from COVID-19, the wire service said.
[www.usnews.com]

That was over 2 months ago.Since.then daily deaths in the US are back up again. Approx 1500 yesterday and the day before.

[www.worldometers.info]


Cases and deaths climbing here in the UK too, though not to the same level as the US yet, accounting for population sizes. We have a higher vaccination rate here.

I expect our figures to worsen significantly when the English schools return next week. In Scotland, they returned 2 weeks ago and their figures shot right up.

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COVID Deaths Drop to New Lows in U.S., While Vaccination Rates Climb

TUESDAY, June 22, 2021 (HealthDay News) --
The United States reached two promising pandemic milestones on Monday: COVID-19 deaths dropped below 300 a day and 150 million Americans are now fully vaccinated.

COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death in America in 2020, behind only heart disease and cancer, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But as the pandemic loosens its grip on this country, it has fallen down the list of the biggest killers, the Associated Press reported.

CDC data suggests that more Americans are now dying every day from accidents, chronic lower respiratory diseases, strokes or Alzheimer's disease than from COVID-19, the wire service said.
[www.usnews.com]

That was over 2 months ago.Since.then daily deaths in the US are back up again. Approx 1500 yesterday and the day before.

[www.worldometers.info]


Cases and deaths climbing here in the UK too, though not to the same level as the US yet, accounting for population sizes. We have a higher vaccination rate here.

I expect our figures to worsen significantly when the English schools return next week. In Scotland, they returned 2 weeks ago and their figures shot right up.

Spot on, grzegorz67! Long live Freedom Day
My daughter and her husband live in London. They escaped to a reasonably safe place in Portugal a month ago and work from there. Death rates in the UK have been well over 100 daily and the other day they "scored" over 200 and 170 in one day! Positive test numbers have been well over 20000 a day with often over 35000 a day! Both figures since about two months! Shocking. Long live Freedom Day, the memorable day for covidiots ...
By the way, our government is just as stupid as that of the UK

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COVID Deaths Drop to New Lows in U.S., While Vaccination Rates Climb

TUESDAY, June 22, 2021 (HealthDay News) --
The United States reached two promising pandemic milestones on Monday: COVID-19 deaths dropped below 300 a day and 150 million Americans are now fully vaccinated.

COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death in America in 2020, behind only heart disease and cancer, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But as the pandemic loosens its grip on this country, it has fallen down the list of the biggest killers, the Associated Press reported.

CDC data suggests that more Americans are now dying every day from accidents, chronic lower respiratory diseases, strokes or Alzheimer's disease than from COVID-19, the wire service said.
[www.usnews.com]

That was over 2 months ago.Since.then daily deaths in the US are back up again. Approx 1500 yesterday and the day before.

[www.worldometers.info]


Cases and deaths climbing here in the UK too, though not to the same level as the US yet, accounting for population sizes. We have a higher vaccination rate here.

I expect our figures to worsen significantly when the English schools return next week. In Scotland, they returned 2 weeks ago and their figures shot right up.

Spot on, grzegorz67! Long live Freedom Day
My daughter and her husband live in London. They escaped to a reasonably safe place in Portugal a month ago and work from there. Death rates in the UK have been well over 100 daily and the other day they "scored" over 200 and 170 in one day! Positive test numbers have been well over 20000 a day with often over 35000 a day! Both figures since about two months! Shocking. Long live Freedom Day, the memorable day for covidiots ...
By the way, our government is just as stupid as that of the UK

You’re Dutch IIRC Georgie? I know a while ago they had a freedom day of their own then had to close everything down again a few weeks later because the figures shot up! My own government have done well with the vaccination programme but little else. Last weekend was the August public holiday in all of U.K. apart from Scotland. Traditionally there are lots of music festivals attended by youngsters and they all went ahead as normal. Who knows what the effect of that will be.

In Scotland the schools return 2 weeks earlier than the rest of U.K. and their figures surged. The same will happen here when the schools go back next week.

I agree with the cautious approach but it’s getting very trying now. I’m going mad. I haven’t spent a single overnight away from home since this all started. This week I was supposed to be on a tour of Northern Ireland and my homeland of Scotland but I had to cancel it all because of issues at the other end so I’m stuck at home still. I have to be especially cautious because my mum and dad live close by and Both are 79. My dad’s 80 next week.

Things are looking bad again and I’m totally pissed off with all of this. I still mask up and sanitise for going into shops and on the rare occasions I use public transport.

U.S. Hiring Slows Sharply As Latest Coronavirus Surge Slams Brakes On Economy

Pandemic

Hiring slowed sharply in August as a new surge in coronavirus infections slammed the brakes on the economic recovery. U.S. employers added just 235,000 jobs last month, a sharp slowdown from the torrid pace of hiring in June and July. The labor market recovery has downshifted," said Nela Richardson, chief economist for the payroll processing company ADP. "The U.S. economy is facing increasing headwinds as the pandemic wears on and the delta variant creates uncertainty." The unemployment rate fell to 5.2% in August from 5.4% in July.

Confirmed coronavirus infections have jumped nearly 20% in the last two weeks, while COVID deaths have nearly doubled during that period. The worsening public health outlook threw a late-summer speedbump in the recovery, making people more cautious about traveling and eating out and reducing the need for workers.

Restaurants and bars cut 42,000 jobs in August, after adding 253,000 in July. Retailers cut 29,000 jobs last month. Homebase, which makes scheduling software for small businesses, saw a notable decline in hours worked last month — especially in the entertainment and hospitality industries. "We are hearing anecdotally from our customers that absolutely it is a result of COVID," said CEO John Waldmann. "We are seeing similar trends in the data from what we saw last year and January of this year. It would be hard-pressed to say this is not COVID-related." The slowdown in the Homebase data was particularly pronounced in the southeast, where COVID cases are especially high. New England, where case counts are lower, fared somewhat better.

The spike in new cases has also discouraged some people from returning to work. And it threatens to disrupt in-person schooling, which could make it harder for parents to hold down jobs. "All of us who care about small businesses really wanted to be optimistic that a lot of the things keeping people from work were going to start to heal themselves into the fall," Waldmann said. "Unfortunately, it looks like we're going to be dealing with challenges here for a little bit longer." The slowdown in hiring comes just as emergency unemployment benefits that Congress authorized earlier in the pandemic are about to expire. In mid-August, more than 12 million people were receiving some form of jobless aid. Most will receive their final payments next week.

Warehouses and delivery services added 53,000 jobs last month — as the online retail business continues to expand. Manufacturing is another bright spot in the economy, with new orders and output both accelerating in August. But factories continue to struggle to find enough parts and workers. Factories added 37,000 jobs last month, up from 27,000 the month before. "Companies want to hire more people," said Tim Fiore, who oversees a monthly survey of factory managers for the Institute for Supply Management. "There's no doubt that demand is calling for more people and they can't get them." Fiore said many factories are facing increased turnover, as workers depart for higher wages elsewhere. Wages have been rising, especially in restaurants and hotels. But prices have been climbing too, eroding workers' buying power. Consumer prices in July were 5.4% higher than they were a year ago--matching the June increase which was the sharpest in nearly 13 years.

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TUESDAY, June 22, 2021 (HealthDay News) --
The United States reached two promising pandemic milestones on Monday: COVID-19 deaths dropped below 300 a day and 150 million Americans are now fully vaccinated.

COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death in America in 2020, behind only heart disease and cancer, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But as the pandemic loosens its grip on this country, it has fallen down the list of the biggest killers, the Associated Press reported.

CDC data suggests that more Americans are now dying every day from accidents, chronic lower respiratory diseases, strokes or Alzheimer's disease than from COVID-19, the wire service said.
[www.usnews.com]

That was over 2 months ago.Since.then daily deaths in the US are back up again. Approx 1500 yesterday and the day before.

[www.worldometers.info]


Cases and deaths climbing here in the UK too, though not to the same level as the US yet, accounting for population sizes. We have a higher vaccination rate here.

I expect our figures to worsen significantly when the English schools return next week. In Scotland, they returned 2 weeks ago and their figures shot right up.

Spot on, grzegorz67! Long live Freedom Day
My daughter and her husband live in London. They escaped to a reasonably safe place in Portugal a month ago and work from there. Death rates in the UK have been well over 100 daily and the other day they "scored" over 200 and 170 in one day! Positive test numbers have been well over 20000 a day with often over 35000 a day! Both figures since about two months! Shocking. Long live Freedom Day, the memorable day for covidiots ...
By the way, our government is just as stupid as that of the UK

You’re Dutch IIRC Georgie? I know a while ago they had a freedom day of their own then had to close everything down again a few weeks later because the figures shot up! My own government have done well with the vaccination programme but little else. Last weekend was the August public holiday in all of U.K. apart from Scotland. Traditionally there are lots of music festivals attended by youngsters and they all went ahead as normal. Who knows what the effect of that will be.

In Scotland the schools return 2 weeks earlier than the rest of U.K. and their figures surged. The same will happen here when the schools go back next week.

I agree with the cautious approach but it’s getting very trying now. I’m going mad. I haven’t spent a single overnight away from home since this all started. This week I was supposed to be on a tour of Northern Ireland and my homeland of Scotland but I had to cancel it all because of issues at the other end so I’m stuck at home still. I have to be especially cautious because my mum and dad live close by and Both are 79. My dad’s 80 next week.

Things are looking bad again and I’m totally pissed off with all of this. I still mask up and sanitise for going into shops and on the rare occasions I use public transport.

I'm Dutch indeed. I understand very well how you are feeling, while this corona sh*t is still going on. We haven't spent serious time on any kind of traveling (relatives in the Far East, for instance), simply because the nuisence is far bigger than the joy. Still, like you, we always have a mask with us, so we can use it anywhere we need to.
Currently the Dutch figures appear to be "stable", but that means the numbers are not going down. With the schools just started experts expect a gradual rise in positive and death cases again. I remember something similar with the UK figures a couple of months ago. Today I checked and found a shocking 48000 positives and another 100+ (120) deaths in the UK. My oh my.
Stay cool!


I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town

Fauci ‘Keeping a Very Close Eye’ on New Coronavirus Variant Mu

Top health officials are keeping an eye on the mu variant of the coronavirus, but it’s not an ‘immediate threat.’

MU

Top U.S. health officials are "keeping a very close eye" on a new coronavirus variant called mu, Dr. Anthony Fauci said Thursday. But it's not an "immediate threat."The World Health Organization earlier this week named the mu variant a "variant of interest" after it was first detected in Colombia in January and has now been found in 39 countries throughout South America and Europe. But the new variant is rarely seen in the U.S., Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said during a news briefing Thursday. Still, officials are paying attention to it."Even though it has not – in the essence – taken hold to any extent here, we always pay attention to, at all times, variants," Fauci said. Fauci explained that although laboratory data suggests that the mu variant has a "constellation of mutations" which may allow it to evade certain antibodies, there is not enough clinical data to support this at present. "Not to downplay it," he said. "We take it very seriously.""But remember, even when you have variants that do diminish, somewhat, the efficacy of a vaccine – the vaccines still are quite effective against variants of that type," Fauci said. CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky reiterated Fauci's point, making clear that although sequences of the mu variant have been seen in the U.S., "over 99 percent of the sequences we're seeing right now are Delta." "We're watching it carefully," Walensky said.

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I just do not understand the official numbers of Florida state of USA.

Today the main news agency in Norway NTB is reporting the following, through our largest news channel VG.no:

Ny rekord i coronadødsfall i Florida
(English: New record in corona deaths in Florida)

Through google translate it looks like this:

Florida is currently recording the highest death toll from the coronavirus so far since the pandemic began last year.

Data from the US infection control agency CDC shows that there were more deaths in at least eight days in August than during the previous major outbreak in August last year in the state, which is the epicenter of the pandemic in the US.

The average number of daily deaths per week was 244 in August, compared with 227 in the same month last year, and the number may continue to rise when new reports come in.

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Then I take a look at the US numbers on worldometers, which have been an important source of data since the very beginning of this pandemic.

Yesterday numbers:

California : New cases 11,000 - New deaths 144 => fatality rate 1.3%
Florida : New cases 21,000 - New deaths 11 => fatality rate 0.05%

I.e. 26 times more deaths per infected people in CA vs FL.
As a person working with numbers and analytics all my life, this does not add up to me.
Am I 26 times more safe at the Stones show in Tampa as compared to the show in LA?

Or does CDC have other numbers as compared to worldometers?



Bjornulf



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I just do not understand the official numbers of Florida state of USA.

Today the main news agency in Norway NTB is reporting the following, through our largest news channel VG.no:

Ny rekord i coronadødsfall i Florida
(English: New record in corona deaths in Florida)

Through google translate it looks like this:

Florida is currently recording the highest death toll from the coronavirus so far since the pandemic began last year.

Data from the US infection control agency CDC shows that there were more deaths in at least eight days in August than during the previous major outbreak in August last year in the state, which is the epicenter of the pandemic in the US.

The average number of daily deaths per week was 244 in August, compared with 227 in the same month last year, and the number may continue to rise when new reports come in.

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Then I take a look at the US numbers on worldometers, which have been an important source of data since the very beginning of this pandemic.

Yesterday numbers:

California : New cases 11,000 - New deaths 144 => fatality rate 1.3%
Florida : New cases 21,000 - New deaths 11 => fatality rate 0.05%

I.e. 26 times more deaths per infected people in CA vs FL.
As a person working with numbers and analytics all my life, this does not add up to me.
Am I 26 times more safe at the Stones show in Tampa as compared to the show in LA?

Or does CDC have other numbers as compared to worldometers?

something incorrect in the Florida tabulation for sure. Reported over 300 deaths yesterday. Most ever. US is closing in on 2000 deaths per day. Quite ugly.

BV-- Go ahead and rag on Ivermectin. What I posted was that it is on the way to getting approved in Japan. By the Japanese health authorities. It is in the news. In my book, the Japanese are going to come out smarter than us in the Western nations. Let's see how the big bad I shakes out in Japan. btw This is my last post on the forbidden I --- Carry on!



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This is a very interesting article on the effects of making children wear masks. (The Atlantic is NOT a right wing news outlet.) We are still in a learning curve:

The Downsides of Masking Young Students Are Real

The educational cost of face coverings is far better established than the benefits of mandates.

[www.theatlantic.com]

BV - In response to your questioning the data and the apparent conflicts, both sides have been politicizing this crisis and I believe manipulating the data to their own ends. And we have all suffered because of it.

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BV-- Go ahead and rag on Ivermectin. What I posted was that it is on the way to getting approved in Japan. By the Japanese health authorities. It is in the news. In my book, the Japanese are going to come out smarter than us in the Western nations. Let's see how the big bad I shakes out in Japan. btw This is my last post on the forbidden I --- Carry on!

Have you tried Alpo? It's the latest thing....

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BV-- Go ahead and rag on Ivermectin. What I posted was that it is on the way to getting approved in Japan. By the Japanese health authorities. It is in the news. In my book, the Japanese are going to come out smarter than us in the Western nations. Let's see how the big bad I shakes out in Japan. btw This is my last post on the forbidden I --- Carry on!

Have you tried Alpo? It's the latest thing....

I prefer Gravy Train............

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IORR is NOT a medical journal. Please do not post any "news" about drugs such as Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, Remdesivir, or other known or unknown drugs here.

I deleted two posts yesterday about Ivermectin. One was a link to an article dated May 8, 2020, i.e. sixteen - 16 - months ago. The other was a mix of links to articles about "overdoses on cow parasite drug anti-vaxxers", and other medical projects.

Once more, IORR is NOT a medical journal. It is a Stones site. Covid-19 is VERY related to our lives, as well as Stones touring and so on. That is why this thread is here, so that you may tell about how covid-19 is affecting you where you are. Still, I will NOT accept any posts here about medical drugs. They are used by doctors and experts in medical intensive care, not to be discussed or promoted here on IORR.

If there is a miracle cure for covid-19, then it will be all over the major news, and it will be approved by health officials based on science. Until then, there is no quick fix. Still, there is a very good way of dealing with covid-19: Do as your authorities are telling you. Wear a mask. Keep a distance. Get vaccinated.

Bjornulf

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BV-- Go ahead and rag on Ivermectin. What I posted was that it is on the way to getting approved in Japan. By the Japanese health authorities. It is in the news. In my book, the Japanese are going to come out smarter than us in the Western nations. Let's see how the big bad I shakes out in Japan. btw This is my last post on the forbidden I --- Carry on!

No...You posted stuff from quack anti-vaxxers. Sources provided were completely non-credible.

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This is a very interesting article on the effects of making children wear masks. (The Atlantic is NOT a right wing news outlet.) We are still in a learning curve:

The Downsides of Masking Young Students Are Real

The educational cost of face coverings is far better established than the benefits of mandates.

[www.theatlantic.com]

Face coverings for children are not ideal but Covid is now making many children sick with the Delta variant. Face coverings are the lesser of evils. No children have been hospitalized or died from wearing a mask. Children's hospitals do not have full ICUs because children wore masks.

Since most of the anti-vaxxers didn't buy in to the double dose (even with FDA approval and incentives included), something tells me they're not going to be lining up for a triple dose any time soon.
Especially when endorsed by Fauci. Maybe a new and different expert/spokesperson would help the cause better - one that would be more trustworthy in the eyes of the hesitant/antivaxxers.
Personally I don't mind him, but there's been alot of controvery with his everchanging opinions on a variety of issues, not to mention the possible Wuhan connection...a new face might just be what the Dr. ordered...

Three doses of Covid-19 vaccine are likely needed for full protection, Fauci says

Triple Dosage

With the latest Covid-19 surge upending American life yet again, an official rollout of booster doses could begin within weeks, pending FDA authorization. And it's likely that three doses of the vaccine are needed for full protection, Dr. Anthony Fauci said. He cited two Israeli-based studies that showed a decrease in infections among people who got a third or booster shot. There was good reason to believe that a third dose "will actually be durable, and if it is durable, then you're going to have very likely a three-dose regimen being the routine regimen," Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said at a briefing Thursday. It's ultimately up to the US Food and Drug Administration to decide whether Americans should get three doses of the Covid-19 vaccine, Fauci said. The agency is considering the question later this month after Moderna and Pfizer both applied for FDA authorization for a third dose either six months or eight months after getting the second dose. The recommendation for the booster doses will likely lead to availability for a broad portion of the population, and doses could begin rolling out as early as the week of September 20, US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy said Thursday. Additional doses were granted emergency use authorization by the FDA this month for those who are immunocompromised. Even though the doses are not yet available to the public, local health departments nationwide have seen a recent surge in calls from people wanting to make appointments, according to the National Association of County and City Health Departments.

While the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine booster plan remains on track for the week of September 20, according to a source familiar with the discussion, it may take a few weeks longer to move forward with Moderna's boosters. There have been internal conversations within the Biden administration about scaling back the ambitious booster plan laid out by top federal health officials last month as the calendar nears September 20, when officials initially said boosters could be available for people who had either mRNA Covid-19 vaccine. A person familiar with the matter told CNN there was a meeting between top federal health officials and White House staff on Thursday in which officials warned that more time may be needed before enough data is available to recommend boosters for all adults. Federal health officials relayed that Moderna's submission was "found inadequate and needs strengthened data" from the company, a source said. The company announced on Twitter Friday that it has completed submission of its data on booster doses to the FDA. The agency is already evaluating data submitted by Pfizer/BioNTech for approval of a booster dose.

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Chicago Cubs Manager David Ross and GM Jed Hoyer test positive for COVID. Next 10 days are going to be very interesting with schools back in session and high school and college sports going on with fans.