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US Surgeon General urges parents and officials take these steps to protect children from Covid-19

"Vaccination is key to protecting against Covid-19 and the serious illness that could come with it.
But for many children, vaccination still isn't an option".

So are you saying that audience and band members could contract the COVID variant even though they're vaccinated and bring it home and pass it on to other family members including unvaccinated young children/grandchildren and put their lives at risk?

One more reason why anti-vaxxers don't need a vaccine. Many are already demented, but seriously this is very concerning.


Covid could trigger a spike in dementia cases, says Alzheimer’s experts

[www.cnbc.com]

SINGAPORE — The world may not be prepared for an impending wave of dementia and the additional cases that Covid-19 could bring, according to a group representing over 100 Alzheimer’s and dementia associations globally.

The Alzheimer’s Disease International is urging the World Health Organization and governments around the world to “urgently fast track research on the potential impact of COVID-19 on increasing dementia rates.”

It says the pandemic could cause a significant rise in the number of dementia patients in the long term, as some research has shown that Covid infections can increase a person’s likelihood of developing dementia and cause dementia symptoms to show up earlier.

Dementia generally refers to a deterioration in the brain that impairs memory, thoughts, behavior and emotion. Alzheimer’s disease is the most common form of dementia, and there is currently no cure for dementia.

In the short term, “dementia rates may drop temporarily as a result of the high number of deaths of people with dementia due to COVID-19, with between 25 to 45 percent of all COVID-19 deaths estimated to be of those with dementia,” the London-based group said in a media release Wednesday.

But over the longer term, the number of people with dementia “could rise significantly due to the neurological impact of COVID-19,” it added.

Since the coronavirus first emerged in China in late 2019, more than 217 million cases of Covid-19 have been reported — and over 18 million were detected in the last 28 days, according to official data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

The actual number of Covid cases globally is likely higher than what has been reported. That’s in part due to factors such as lack of testing to uncover infections and insufficient capacity to report cases.

Covid and dementia
More should be done to understand the link between Covid dementia, said the Alzheimer’s Disease International (ADI).

“Many dementia experts around the globe are seriously concerned by the link between dementia and the neurological symptoms of COVID-19,” said Paola Barbarino, chief executive of ADI.

The group’s Medical and Scientific Advisory Panel, made up of global experts on dementia, has set up a working group to study that link and make recommendations on how to deal with the problem.

Dr. Alireza Atri, a cognitive neurologist and chair of the advisory panel, said he’s “particularly concerned” about the effects the so-called long Covid. That includes symptoms such as loss of taste and smell, “brain fog” or a loss of mental clarity, as well as difficulties with concentration, memory and thinking, he added.

Atri, who’s director of Banner Sun Health Research Institute in the U.S., explained that Covid can damage and clot micro vessels in the brain, hurt the body’s immunity and cause inflammation.

That can give “easier access to things that can harm your brain” and cause symptoms of neurological disorders — such as dementia — to show up earlier, the doctor said.

Wave of dementia cases
The World Health Organization estimated that around 50 million people have dementia globally, with nearly 10 million new cases every year.

Even before Covid-19, forecasts showed that dementia cases could rise from 55 million to 78 million by 2030, according to ADI. Costs associated with dementia, including medical care and expenses, could rise to $2.8 trillion annually, the group added.

“We urge the WHO, governments and research institutions across the globe to prioritise and commit more funding to research and establish resources in this space, to avoid being further overwhelmed by the oncoming pandemic of dementia,” Barbarino said.

A greater understanding of the link between Covid and dementia can help authorities to manage the increased prevalence of dementia, and identify symptoms as early as possible, said Barbarino.

“Knowing the warning signs and symptoms of dementia enables people to seek out more information, advice and support, potentially leading to a diagnosis,” she said.

“We need people to be aware of the possible link between long-COVID and dementia, so they know to self-monitor for symptoms and catch it in its tracks.”

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Sad and worrisome...

US Surgeon General urges parents and officials take these steps to protect children from Covid-19

"Vaccination is key to protecting against Covid-19 and the serious illness that could come with it.
But for many children, vaccination still isn't an option".

So are you saying that audience and band members could contract the COVID variant even though they're vaccinated and bring it home and pass it on to other family members including unvaccinated young children/grandchildren and put their lives at risk?

Not sure he is saying that, but that of course is totally possible.

Ontario will get vaccine passports in 3 weeks, for entry to non-essential places.

[www.thestar.com]

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US Surgeon General urges parents and officials take these steps to protect children from Covid-19

"Vaccination is key to protecting against Covid-19 and the serious illness that could come with it.
But for many children, vaccination still isn't an option".

So are you saying that audience and band members could contract the COVID variant even though they're vaccinated and bring it home and pass it on to other family members including unvaccinated young children/grandchildren and put their lives at risk?

Not sure he is saying that, but that of course is totally possible.

No I wasn't saying that, but I have mentioned the possibility in the past based on what many experts and scientists have said.
The story/headline above makes no reference to that scenario though, and here is the original link that was posted
for the story on previous page which Sicilian edited out for some reason: Corona US

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From the Wall Street Journal:

The European Union is set to recommend halting nonessential travel from the U.S. because of the spread of Covid-19, diplomats said on Sunday.

European officials have been considering the move for much of the last month, with the average U.S. infection rate now above that of the EU.

The Slovenian presidency of the EU last week recommended removing the U.S. and five other countries from a list of countries allowed nonessential travel. A final decision is due on Monday. Two diplomats said they weren’t aware of any objections so far.

(EU travel ban from USA)

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Sad and worrisome...

US Surgeon General urges parents and officials take these steps to protect children from Covid-19

"Vaccination is key to protecting against Covid-19 and the serious illness that could come with it.
But for many children, vaccination still isn't an option".

So are you saying that audience and band members could contract the COVID variant even though they're vaccinated and bring it home and pass it on to other family members including unvaccinated young children/grandchildren and put their lives at risk?

Yes. That is how Covid-19 works. Common knowledge these days.

Bjornulf

Americans urged to 'reconsider' travel to Canada by U.S. CDC

Pandemic

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. State Department is now urging Americans to "reconsider travel" to Canada due to what the Centers for Disease Control call "high" levels of COVID-19 infection.
The new Level 3 travel advisory, issued today, marks a quick end to a three-week period when the warning to would-be travellers to Canada had been eased to "exercise increased caution."
That Level 2 advisory coincided with Canada's decision to allow fully vaccinated U.S. citizens and permanent residents back into the country. There was no specific reason given for the revised advisory beyond the CDC's notice, also issued today, which pegs Canada's current COVID-19 levels at "high." Only about 61 per cent of eligible Americans are fully vaccinated, compared with nearly 75 per cent of Canadians over the age of 12.
The U.S. is maintaining its existing restrictions on non-essential Canadian travellers until at least Sept. 21, citing the ongoing spread of the Delta variant of COVID-19.

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Please do not post political posts related to US domestic politics here. If a post is made in order to make 45 or 46 good or bad, it is a domestic US political post. It will be deleted.

Bjornulf

The next mutuation called Mu is spreading: New Covid strain a 'constellation of mutations' warns WHO - and it’s already in the UK

This is about the new fake "maderna" vaccine. Lol

This fake ‘Maderna’ vaccine card sees woman facing a year in prison and $5,000 fine in Hawaii (marketwatch.com)



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CDC asks the unvaccinated not to travel this weekend and says even vaccinated need to weigh the risk

Pandemic

Due to the surge of Covid-19 cases, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is asking unvaccinated Americans not to travel during the Labor Day holiday weekend. The US is surpassing an average of 160,000 new Covid-19 cases a day, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. With the spread of the more transmissible Delta variant and many students returning to the classroom for a new academic year, the rise is concerning officials and health experts. "First and foremost, if you are unvaccinated, we would recommend not traveling," CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said at a White House COVID-19 Response Team Briefing on Tuesday. Walensky said that while people who are fully vaccinated can travel with precautions, current transmission rates mean they too need to take Covid-19 risk into consideration when deciding whether to travel. Health experts have said that vaccination is the best way to protect against the virus' spread, and many have attributed the spike in cases to the large portion of Americans who are unvaccinated. Of those eligible for vaccinations, which includes Americans 12-years-old and older, 38.6% are not yet fully vaccinated, according to data from the CDC. This week, data presented by a CDC vaccine adviser showed a hospitalization rate 16 times greater in the unvaccinated population than in those vaccinated. And the surge in hospitalizations, particularly among unvaccinated people, has stretched hospitals thin.

In Idaho, Gov. Brad Little said the state has reached a point in the pandemic "we have not seen before" with more Idahoans in the ICUs than ever before. He stressed multiple times that the "vast majority" are unvaccinated.
"Yesterday evening I toured a nearly full ICU wing in Boise. What I saw was heartbreaking," he said Tuesday. "Some were young, two were middle-aged, two patients were pregnant... All of them were struggling to breathe and most were only breathing with help from a machine." He said medical staff are "exhausted," so the state is adding up to 370 additional personnel to help. A new case study published Tuesday illustrated the impact of gatherings of large groups of unvaccinated people. In June, attendees met for a five-day overnight church camp and a two-day men's conference in Illinois, neither of which required vaccination, testing or masks. By August, 180 Covid-19 cases were connected to the events, including five hospitalizations, according to the investigation, conducted by the CDC and the Illinois Department of Public Health.

More than 200,000 kids test positive in a week
Concern is growing over infections in children, many of whom don't have access to the vaccine yet. And those who are eligible are not reaping the full benefits. Children ages 12 to 15 are eligible but less then half of that group is vaccinated with at least one dose, according to data published Monday by the CDC. The result has been cases in children increasing "exponentially," the American Academy of Pediatrics reported Tuesday. More than 200,000 children tested positive for Covid-19 in the last week, a five-fold increase from a month ago, the AAP said. And rates of hospitalizations have risen with the cases. Between August 20 and 26, an average of 330 children were admitted to hospitals every day with Covid-19, according to the CDC. That is the highest rate of new Covid-19 hospitalizations among children in more than a year, according to the CDC data. An early goal of the vaccination effort was to administer enough protection to curb the spread in time for the new school year and allow students to return to the classroom safely -- something many hadn't done for a year. But with cases on the rise, schools have had to implement other measures to protect students. In New York, Gov. Kathy Hochul said Tuesday she plans to implement mandatory weekly Covid-19 testing for school staff who are not vaccinated. "School staff, anybody who enters that building will have to be vaccinated or undergo mandatory testing -- mandatory testing, and we're in the process of getting the legal clearance for that, as I speak," Hochul said. "We're not doing that well getting our 12 to 17-year-olds vaccinated, and they are vulnerable to the next virus, which is dangerous," she said. And while the US Food and Drug Administration has approved booster doses for adults, 12- to 17-year-olds are not able to get them yet. But Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said this week he believes they will ultimately be eligible for boosters once the data is submitted to the FDA for safety considerations.

Hospitals running out of oxygen
Hospitals filling up with Covid-19 patients have put a strain on space and staffing, and many are now experiencing a shortage in oxygen supply.
Several hospitals in Florida, South Carolina, Texas and Louisiana are struggling with oxygen scarcity. Some are at risk of having to use their reserve supply or risk running out of oxygen imminently, according to state health officials and hospital consultants. "Normally, an oxygen tank would be about 90% full, and the suppliers would let them get down to a refill level of 30-40% left in their tank, giving them a three- to five-day cushion of supply," Donna Cross, senior director of facilities and construction at Premier, a health care performance improvement company, told CNN. "What's happening now is that hospitals are running down to about 10-20%, which is a one- to two-day supply on hand, before they're getting backfilled." Even when they're getting backfilled, it's only a partial supply of about 50%, Cross said. "It is very critical situation."

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Sad and worrisome...

US Surgeon General urges parents and officials take these steps to protect children from Covid-19

"Vaccination is key to protecting against Covid-19 and the serious illness that could come with it.
But for many children, vaccination still isn't an option".

So are you saying that audience and band members could contract the COVID variant even though they're vaccinated and bring it home and pass it on to other family members including unvaccinated young children/grandchildren and put their lives at risk?

Yes. That is how Covid-19 works. Common knowledge these days.

That's why I cancelled a planned trip this month to my hometown. I have a few knucklehead friends who won't get vaccinated. Fine, except I could get it from someone, be asymptomatic, pass is to my unvaccinated friends, and they die. The irony is that one of them got it anyway. After a long hospital stay they have to walk around with a portable oxygen supplier for at least another month.

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US Surgeon General urges parents and officials take these steps to protect children from Covid-19

"Vaccination is key to protecting against Covid-19 and the serious illness that could come with it.
But for many children, vaccination still isn't an option".

So are you saying that audience and band members could contract the COVID variant even though they're vaccinated and bring it home and pass it on to other family members including unvaccinated young children/grandchildren and put their lives at risk?

Absolutely!!!

Even when vaccinated you can still get any Covid variant and spread it. That’s why you still should keeping wearing a mask to protect yourself and others.

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US Surgeon General urges parents and officials take these steps to protect children from Covid-19

"Vaccination is key to protecting against Covid-19 and the serious illness that could come with it.
But for many children, vaccination still isn't an option".

So are you saying that audience and band members could contract the COVID variant even though they're vaccinated and bring it home and pass it on to other family members including unvaccinated young children/grandchildren and put their lives at risk?

Absolutely!!!

Even when vaccinated you can still get any Covid variant and spread it. That’s why you still should keeping wearing a mask to protect yourself and others.

Exactly and thank you for emphasizing this. The vaccine only prevents you from being hospitalized and dying. It does NOT fully prevent infection and/or transmission. Masks are absolutely the way to go, most likely for the foreseeable future. There is still some talk of boosters, which gives one hope (apologies for mentioning a politician. Science.):

The latest analysis, released Monday by the CDC, found troubling signals on the ability of vaccines to prevent infections and to keep older people out of the hospital.

Whereas the vaccines were 90% effective in June at preventing hospitalization in people ages 75-plus, that number fell to around 80% in July.

But even with such a drop, the data still suggests extraordinary protection against becoming seriously ill with COVID-19. It also raises more questions than it answers: Is immunity waning with time? Is the delta variant making people sicker? Is this a problem mostly for older Americans, whose immune systems are less robust to begin with?

Young adults under age 49 are still 24 times more likely to end up hospitalized if unvaccinated. And the vast majority of people in the hospital are unvaccinated, suggesting the vaccines are holding up in real world scenarios.

[www.yahoo.com]

Heart problems, brain damage, dementia, and now kidney damage makes the list of ailments related to "long covid"...

Coronavirus survivors face heightened risk of kidney damage, study says

Kidneys

A new study provides grim insight into “long covid,” finding that even survivors of less-serious coronavirus cases had a heightened risk of kidney damage.
The dangers increase with the severity of the infection but extend even to those were not hospitalized, according to the paper published Wednesday in the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology. The risks include “end stage kidney disease,” in which the organ can no longer filter blood without transplant or regular dialysis. The researchers wrote that given the massive scale of coronavirus infections in the United States and worldwide, “the numbers of people with long COVID in need of post COVID care will likely be staggering and will present substantial strain on already overwhelmed health systems.”

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For those who think covid-19 is just a disease making problems for the elderly. Children under the age of one year of age do have less protection as compared to older kids, vs virus and other diseases.

There are many reasons why it is highly recommended to get vaccinated. Not just in order to protect yourself, and your family, but also in order to protect infants, pregnant women, elderly, people with a medical condition, people who are on medication and who can not take the vaccine, and all those young ones who NOT yet have been to a doctor, due to their young age, no worries about any risk factors, but they might still have a condition that could turn serious and fatal with covid-19.

Unvaccinated San Francisco mother loses unborn baby after getting infected with COVID-19 (ABC7 News Aug 31, 2021)

When you ignore taking the vaccine, even if you are capable of taking it physically, then you put others at risk.

COVID-19 (coronavirus) in babies and children (Mayo Clinic)

Babies under age 1 might be at higher risk of severe illness with COVID-19 than older children. This is likely due to their immature immune systems and smaller airways, which make them more likely to develop breathing issues with respiratory virus infections.

Bjornulf

Get vaccinated. Wear a mask. Keep a distance. It is not that complicated. Don't make this into politics. By doing the right things this pandemic will be over during sooner rather than later.

And yes, more than 10% of vaccinated people do still get covid-19, new variants and so on, may be not that sick, but they will bring the virus on to family members and others. So keep doing the right things, and we will get through it nightmare virus.

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Get vaccinated. Wear a mask. Keep a distance. It is not that complicated. Don't make this into politics. By doing the right things this pandemic will be over during sooner rather than later.

And yes, more than 10% of vaccinated people do still get covid-19, new variants and so on, may be not that sick, but they will bring the virus on to family members and others. So keep doing the right things, and we will get through it nightmare virus.

I don't know how the EU and other Europeans deal with children, I believe in the US there is no vaccination as of yet for children under 12 years old. If you have young children, parents should be worried.

Thank you BV. Telling it like it is. Too bad not everyone gets it. Stay safe on your journey.

For you guys with pit tickets. How are you gonna handle distancing in the pits?

Norway started vaccinating children age 16-17 last week, and hope to be done with all of that age group next week or so. Since schools opened Aug 20 or so, there have been a rapid growth of covid-19 in Norway, mainly among children age 10-19. Some high schools just closed this week, they simply do not want covid-19 out of control. Not among adults. Not among children.

Small children in kindergarden hardly have many contacts except for their family and small group in their kindergarden. Small groups of six or so, and care, do prevent a lot of covid. Children at school age 6-12 do not have tons of friends, they do not mingle in larger groups, so I don't think covid-19 will spread that fast in this group either.

The main problem is those at age 12 and up, and especially those age 15 plus. I will assume all children age 12 and up will get vaccinated in Norway soon, it's just a matter of time.

There is a very high rate of acceptance of vaccine in Norway, both covid-19, and vaccine in general. That helps a lot. They say we will be able to live like normal when 90% of the adults are vaccinated. Right now the number is 72% fully vaccinated adults in Norway. Late fall should be a lot better than the previous 1.5 years of covid-19 stress and scare at home.

Official FHI numbers (public health authority of Norway):

[www.fhi.no]

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For you guys with pit tickets. How are you gonna handle distancing in the pits?

The seats are tightly packed also, and are rather clausrophobic in the middle of the sections with barely any wiggle room, but if you can get an aisle seat you'll at least have an escape route.
I picked up a single aisle/floor seat behind the pit for L.A., and will also bring a mask and maybe some mace/pepper spray in case anyone invades my personal space. tear gas...lol...

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Concerts may not be the worst place on the planet as for covid-19 spreading. If everyone is vaccinated and/or testing negative, already the super spreaders are not there, or at least not many.

Then everyone should wear masks, I will wear a double set, no problem so far in crowded places. If I can wear a mask 24 hours on a very long intercontinental travel without much trouble, I can't see much of a problem wearing a mask a few hours at a show.

It is all about what you do. Some people flip the mask up and down all the time, they talk loud, like they are in the middle of the Manhattan traffic, and they mingle in bars and other meeting places, talking loud into the faces of many others. I have seen a lot of that, no wonder covid-19 is moving fast some places.

It is all about common sense, nothing else.

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For you guys with pit tickets. How are you gonna handle distancing in the pits?

The seats are tightly packed also, and are rather clausrophobic in the middle of the sections with barely any wiggle room, but if you can get an aisle seat you'll at least have an escape route.
I picked up a single aisle/floor seat behind the pit for L.A., and will also bring a mask and maybe some mace/pepper spray in case anyone invades my personal space. tear gas...lol...

Maybe the merchandise stalls outside the stadiums will be selling stones branded tear gas named as tears go by.

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Norway started vaccinating children age 16-17 last week, and hope to be done with all of that age group next week or so. Since schools opened Aug 20 or so, there have been a rapid growth of covid-19 in Norway, mainly among children age 10-19. Some high schools just closed this week, they simply do not want covid-19 out of control. Not among adults. Not among children.

Small children in kindergarden hardly have many contacts except for their family and small group in their kindergarden. Small groups of six or so, and care, do prevent a lot of covid. Children at school age 6-12 do not have tons of friends, they do not mingle in larger groups, so I don't think covid-19 will spread that fast in this group either.

The main problem is those at age 12 and up, and especially those age 15 plus. I will assume all children age 12 and up will get vaccinated in Norway soon, it's just a matter of time.

There is a very high rate of acceptance of vaccine in Norway, both covid-19, and vaccine in general. That helps a lot. They say we will be able to live like normal when 90% of the adults are vaccinated. Right now the number is 72% fully vaccinated adults in Norway. Late fall should be a lot better than the previous 1.5 years of covid-19 stress and scare at home.

Official FHI numbers (public health authority of Norway):

[www.fhi.no]

Interesting stuff. Here in Finland the age group from 12 to 15 has been vaccinated for a two weeks or so, and 57% of them - including my fifteen years old kid - has got their first shot by now. He got his shot at school.

Actually I would like to ask from an international crowd here how the policy of vaccinating under-age children in their countries go - who determines the decision. Here in Finland the law states that this particular age range from 12-15 in this particular case (covid-19) is considered able to judge by themselves if they will get the vaccine or not (unless they are psychologically judged for not being that developed intellectually) - so basically no word by parents means anything. However, the school here in Tampere broke that law, and asked the permission from parents to get the shots (the official argument being that there is no resources to evaluate the intellectual level of the kids, but in reality that was a result of some big-mouthed anti-vacciners pushing their shit). I am such a pragmatic person that I would have signed anything to get the little dude his shots, but my wife and his mother who works in field of law and security, refused to sign anything just out of principle. So our kid went there without any permission or not signed by his parents - and got his shot as he wished. And interestingly, there were a couple of his school mates who also got their shot despite their parents not allowing that (the kids being smarter than their parents, thankfully). No case other way - teh parents say yes, the kid says no - the kids here seemingly being very pro-vaccine (so one is considered an idiot if not taking it). So, I'd like to ask how these things go in different countries?

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For you guys with pit tickets. How are you gonna handle distancing in the pits?

They should just cancel the whole thing. Seriously. It’s too risky right now and not worth it.

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Norway started vaccinating children age 16-17 last week, and hope to be done with all of that age group next week or so. Since schools opened Aug 20 or so, there have been a rapid growth of covid-19 in Norway, mainly among children age 10-19. Some high schools just closed this week, they simply do not want covid-19 out of control. Not among adults. Not among children.

Small children in kindergarden hardly have many contacts except for their family and small group in their kindergarden. Small groups of six or so, and care, do prevent a lot of covid. Children at school age 6-12 do not have tons of friends, they do not mingle in larger groups, so I don't think covid-19 will spread that fast in this group either.

The main problem is those at age 12 and up, and especially those age 15 plus. I will assume all children age 12 and up will get vaccinated in Norway soon, it's just a matter of time.

There is a very high rate of acceptance of vaccine in Norway, both covid-19, and vaccine in general. That helps a lot. They say we will be able to live like normal when 90% of the adults are vaccinated. Right now the number is 72% fully vaccinated adults in Norway. Late fall should be a lot better than the previous 1.5 years of covid-19 stress and scare at home.

Official FHI numbers (public health authority of Norway):

[www.fhi.no]

Interesting stuff. Here in Finland the age group from 12 to 15 has been vaccinated for a two weeks or so, and 57% of them - including my fifteen years old kid - has got their first shot by now. He got his shot at school.

Actually I would like to ask from an international crowd here how the policy of vaccinating under-age children in their countries go - who determines the decision. Here in Finland the law states that this particular age range from 12-15 in this particular case (covid-19) is considered able to judge by themselves if they will get the vaccine or not (unless they are psychologically judged for not being that developed intellectually) - so basically no word by parents means anything. However, the school here in Tampere broke that law, and asked the permission from parents to get the shots (the official argument being that there is no resources to evaluate the intellectual level of the kids, but in reality that was a result of some big-mouthed anti-vacciners pushing their shit). I am such a pragmatic person that I would have signed anything to get the little dude his shots, but my wife and his mother who works in field of law and security, refused to sign anything just out of principle. So our kid went there without any permission or not signed by his parents - and got his shot as he wished. And interestingly, there were a couple of his school mates who also got their shot despite their parents not allowing that (the kids being smarter than their parents, thankfully). No case other way - teh parents say yes, the kid says no - the kids here seemingly being very pro-vaccine (so one is considered an idiot if not taking it). So, I'd like to ask how these things go in different countries?

- Doxa

In Canada for several months now it's been available for all aged 12 and older. Parental approval is required I believe. There have been no shots delivered at schools, you take the kids to centralized locations with everyone else to get their shot.

EDIT: Just checked and as a 'mature minor' children can get the vaccine without parental approval.



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COVID-19 live updates: US hospital admissions could surge to 22,000 a day by late September: CDC

Just 61.5% of Americans ages 12 and up are fully vaccinated against COVID-19.

Pandemic

The United States is facing a COVID-19 surge this summer as the more contagious delta variant spreads. More than 642,000 Americans have died from COVID-19 while over 4.5 million people have died from the disease worldwide, according to real-time data compiled by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering at Johns Hopkins University. Just 61.5% of Americans ages 12 and up are fully vaccinated against COVID-19, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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Actually I would like to ask from an international crowd here how the policy of vaccinating under-age children in their countries go - who determines the decision.

- Doxa

Confess I didn't have a clue, so I had to check it!

As it seems, the rules here (Italy) are the following

- no medical treatment can be started without the "free and informed" consent of the patient,

- consent of underaged patients is expressed or denied by the parents, taking into account the will of the minor, in consideration of his age and level of maturity.

- minors have a right to be informed.

The COVID vaccine is not compulsory here. Kids above 12 can be vaccinated.

Minimum age is much higher in other countries (my Australian cousin told me that down under it now is 16)

If you ask me, there is no way that a 12 years old kid can express a "free and informed" consent.

In my case (12 y.o. daughter), I denied the consent, as the risk of severe side effects related to the vaccine (as disclosed in the information leaflet that I received when I was vaccinated) are marginally higher that the risk of consequences related to a COVID infection (as disclosed by the Italian Ministry of Health).


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