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Studies to date suggest the Delta variant is between 40 and 60 percent more transmissible than the Alpha variant first identified in the U.K.
There is some indication that the Delta variant may also result in more severe disease. A study in Scotland, published in the Lancet, found the hospitalization rate of patients with that variant was about 85 percent higher than that of people with the Alpha variant.
How Dangerous Is the Delta Variant, and Will It Cause a COVID Surge in the U.S.? (Scientific American June 29, 2021)
Perhaps more important than how transmissible the Delta variant is, or any other strain come to think of it, more importantly is whether it's killing people or not, all viruses throughout history become weaker over time, why would we assume this virus is any different ?
Yes it's more transmissible but is it more of a threat ? Possibly it is, maybe it is, possibly maybe, the article is not very specific, still using the fear factor, initially restrictions were to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, i really hope people try to move on with their lives now, looking over your shoulder for variants that could possibly be a threat is over reacting, be cautious yes, overreact no, it's bordering on obsessional behaviour, how much of this is a real threat and how much of it is just looking for things, if you look hard enough you tend to find what you are looking for, somewhere in the world people are dying, that's a fact, it's nothing new.
Personally i live in one Country, one Town in that Country, looking at what's happening on the other side of the planet is not healthy, if England had a bad winter with record deaths from Flu and Influenza would it be of concern to someone living in India or Brazil, no it wouldn't and it never has before this.
It's simple if we are worried about India or Brazil then restrict travel from those Countries and get on with living our lives where we live, obviously help those Countries as much as possible and live your life, the summer's here, enjoy.
Not true. If what you said was true only China would have been affected. One sick person with the new variant getting on a plane and arriving at your town would be enough to start a local outbreak of those unvaccinated.
I see what you mean, and you are correct, but historically viruses become weaker over time.
The new corona virus is not "just another new virus". Do you have a medical reference of a serious kind stating what you say? So far the ALPHA and DELTA variants have gone worse, more fatal statistically, and they take more lives, until more than 90% of the population is vaccinated. Also, DELTA is probably the main concern of any tour plans, including the Stones. They do not make tour plans on wishful thinking.
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It's curious too how many folks will say "we don't know the long-term effects of the vaccine" as a reason for hesitancy or outright refusal to be vaccinated. Yet, they are okay with the equally unknown long-term effects of getting covid, just so long as they don't die?
The vaccine is also the best defense against emerging and potentially more dangerous variants, which also is a concept that seems lost on some of the anti-vax crowd.
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Studies to date suggest the Delta variant is between 40 and 60 percent more transmissible than the Alpha variant first identified in the U.K.
There is some indication that the Delta variant may also result in more severe disease. A study in Scotland, published in the Lancet, found the hospitalization rate of patients with that variant was about 85 percent higher than that of people with the Alpha variant.
How Dangerous Is the Delta Variant, and Will It Cause a COVID Surge in the U.S.? (Scientific American June 29, 2021)
Perhaps more important than how transmissible the Delta variant is, or any other strain come to think of it, more importantly is whether it's killing people or not, all viruses throughout history become weaker over time, why would we assume this virus is any different ?
Yes it's more transmissible but is it more of a threat ? Possibly it is, maybe it is, possibly maybe, the article is not very specific, still using the fear factor, initially restrictions were to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, i really hope people try to move on with their lives now, looking over your shoulder for variants that could possibly be a threat is over reacting, be cautious yes, overreact no, it's bordering on obsessional behaviour, how much of this is a real threat and how much of it is just looking for things, if you look hard enough you tend to find what you are looking for, somewhere in the world people are dying, that's a fact, it's nothing new.
Personally i live in one Country, one Town in that Country, looking at what's happening on the other side of the planet is not healthy, if England had a bad winter with record deaths from Flu and Influenza would it be of concern to someone living in India or Brazil, no it wouldn't and it never has before this.
It's simple if we are worried about India or Brazil then restrict travel from those Countries and get on with living our lives where we live, obviously help those Countries as much as possible and live your life, the summer's here, enjoy.
Not true. If what you said was true only China would have been affected. One sick person with the new variant getting on a plane and arriving at your town would be enough to start a local outbreak of those unvaccinated.
I see what you mean, and you are correct, but historically viruses become weaker over time.
The new corona virus is not "just another new virus". Do you have a medical reference of a serious kind stating what you say? So far the ALPHA and DELTA variants have gone worse, more fatal statistically, and they take more lives, until more than 90% of the population is vaccinated. Also, DELTA is probably the main concern of any tour plans, including the Stones. They do not make tour plans on wishful thinking.
Well in the past viruses have got weaker, that's common knowledge, viruses need us to be alive to infect us. I'm not saying these variants are weaker, I'm saying we don't know for a fact they are stronger, especially as so many people have been vaccinated now, hopefully it's not going to be a major threat.
First of all, we know for a fact that these particular variants are stronger. You personally may not know that, but don't presume that information isn't out there, just because you haven't accessed it.
Secondly, you say we don't know that they are stronger, particularly because so many people have been vaccinated now. Just because people are vaccinated doesn't mean the virus isn't stronger. It means that more people are protected against it, despite it being stronger. It can still be stronger, especially for those not vaccinated, which is rather the point we're trying to make here.
Additionally, there are a lot of 'break-through' cases where people that are double vaxxed that get ill, go into the hospital and even die. The numbers here are significantly smaller than those not being vaccinated, but just evidence that this particular variant is not weaker, but more virulent.
It has also been shown to be more dangerous to young people.
As far as your armchair notation that in the past, virus' get weaker, that is a fact. OK, even if that is the case, that is in the 'long run'. The current evidence is not pointing to this with this virus which of course may change...or not.
No we don't know they are stronger, the link BV sent said it's possible they are, maybe they are, we keep hearing doom and gloom and nothing comes of it, Boris was predicting four thousand deaths per day before Christmas it didn't happen.
Everyone has been banging on about the Indian variant for ages, are you actually saying things are worse now than when covid started with hardly anyone in the UK dying directly as a result of covid, that's stretching it a bit, never mind you completely miss the point.
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Studies to date suggest the Delta variant is between 40 and 60 percent more transmissible than the Alpha variant first identified in the U.K.
There is some indication that the Delta variant may also result in more severe disease. A study in Scotland, published in the Lancet, found the hospitalization rate of patients with that variant was about 85 percent higher than that of people with the Alpha variant.
How Dangerous Is the Delta Variant, and Will It Cause a COVID Surge in the U.S.? (Scientific American June 29, 2021)
Perhaps more important than how transmissible the Delta variant is, or any other strain come to think of it, more importantly is whether it's killing people or not, all viruses throughout history become weaker over time, why would we assume this virus is any different ?
Yes it's more transmissible but is it more of a threat ? Possibly it is, maybe it is, possibly maybe, the article is not very specific, still using the fear factor, initially restrictions were to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, i really hope people try to move on with their lives now, looking over your shoulder for variants that could possibly be a threat is over reacting, be cautious yes, overreact no, it's bordering on obsessional behaviour, how much of this is a real threat and how much of it is just looking for things, if you look hard enough you tend to find what you are looking for, somewhere in the world people are dying, that's a fact, it's nothing new.
Personally i live in one Country, one Town in that Country, looking at what's happening on the other side of the planet is not healthy, if England had a bad winter with record deaths from Flu and Influenza would it be of concern to someone living in India or Brazil, no it wouldn't and it never has before this.
It's simple if we are worried about India or Brazil then restrict travel from those Countries and get on with living our lives where we live, obviously help those Countries as much as possible and live your life, the summer's here, enjoy.
Not true. If what you said was true only China would have been affected. One sick person with the new variant getting on a plane and arriving at your town would be enough to start a local outbreak of those unvaccinated.
I see what you mean, and you are correct, but historically viruses become weaker over time.
The new corona virus is not "just another new virus". Do you have a medical reference of a serious kind stating what you say? So far the ALPHA and DELTA variants have gone worse, more fatal statistically, and they take more lives, until more than 90% of the population is vaccinated. Also, DELTA is probably the main concern of any tour plans, including the Stones. They do not make tour plans on wishful thinking.
Well in the past viruses have got weaker, that's common knowledge, viruses need us to be alive to infect us. I'm not saying these variants are weaker, I'm saying we don't know for a fact they are stronger, especially as so many people have been vaccinated now, hopefully it's not going to be a major threat.
First of all, we know for a fact that these particular variants are stronger. You personally may not know that, but don't presume that information isn't out there, just because you haven't accessed it.
Secondly, you say we don't know that they are stronger, particularly because so many people have been vaccinated now. Just because people are vaccinated doesn't mean the virus isn't stronger. It means that more people are protected against it, despite it being stronger. It can still be stronger, especially for those not vaccinated, which is rather the point we're trying to make here.
Additionally, there are a lot of 'break-through' cases where people that are double vaxxed that get ill, go into the hospital and even die. The numbers here are significantly smaller than those not being vaccinated, but just evidence that this particular variant is not weaker, but more virulent.
It has also been shown to be more dangerous to young people.
As far as your armchair notation that in the past, virus' get weaker, that is a fact. OK, even if that is the case, that is in the 'long run'. The current evidence is not pointing to this with this virus which of course may change...or not.
No we don't know they are stronger, the link BV sent said it's possible they are, maybe they are, we keep hearing doom and gloom and nothing comes of it, Boris was predicting four thousand deaths per day before Christmas it didn't happen.
Everyone has been banging on about the Indian variant for ages, are you actually saying things are worse now than when covid started with hardly anyone in the UK dying directly as a result of covid, that's stretching it a bit, never mind you completely miss the point.
Why don't you try actually arguing my points, if you care to argue, rather than dragging in whether you PM was right on his death count predictions. What the hell does that have to do with anything. I don't live in the UK, I don't care what your PM thinks...he thought COVID was the flu and ended up in the hospital,
Nope. I’ll be continuing to wear mine in shops and public transport - it’s no big deal for me personally and may make others more comfortable too. Whilst I’m double vaccinated I still would like to do what I can to avoid a (likely non fatal) dose and to not spread to othersQuote
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For those in the U.K. Will you be ditching the covering on ‘Freedom Day’?
I’m sure we’ll have to continue wearing one on public transport, hospitals and clinics, but nowhere else will it seemingly be mandatory. Boris has pretty much stated that it’s ‘up to us’ I wonder if there will be mass burnings of PPE?
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If the choice is between advice from the British Medical Association and scientists and advice from a bumbling blustering excuse of a PM, then I know what I'm likely to be doing.
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"mass burnings of PPE?
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Myself? I’ll of course wear the covering when mandatory; otherwise, no. It’s each to their own, as they say. I can understand the caution of some, certainly.
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Myself? I’ll of course wear the covering when mandatory; otherwise, no. It’s each to their own, as they say. I can understand the caution of some, certainly.
Fair stance I suppose with mandates lifted and if you're only considering your own well being.
But, how tough is it really by now to just wear one out of consideration of others? Considering the preteen kids that haven't been able to get vaxxed, and the slight possibility you could pass it on to them still, as well as to give them some peace of mind, can't see not wearing one indoors whether required or not.
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I'll go by the Scottish Government advice and plan to continue to wear a mask on public transport, in supermarkets, etc. I would not feel comfortable attending a gig, large or small, while the Delta variant is still rife and wouldn't go to see the Stones if they played my home town tonight. I don't have faith in Boris Johnson's advice, I'm afraid. I have found him to be woefully lacking in knowledge, integrity and leadership throughout this pandemic and I suspect that is how his premiership will be remembered in history.
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California up through British Columbia...
How do fires and anti-vaxxers weigh up?
Sound mean? It's realistic.
Gonna be a long summer.
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heck crholmstrom ....
Things dont sound good ....
Hope all goes well for ya ....
Stay Safe .... wont ya
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California up through British Columbia...
How do fires and anti-vaxxers weigh up?
Sound mean? It's realistic.
Gonna be a long summer.
Believe me, it already has been a long summer. In addition to what you mentioned am dealing with some potentially real bad medical stuff on a personal level. I'm in some trouble, the question is how much. I hope (sort of) to find out in the next few days. Fingers crossed it's only a little trouble.
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California up through British Columbia...
How do fires and anti-vaxxers weigh up?
Sound mean? It's realistic.
Gonna be a long summer.
Believe me, it already has been a long summer. In addition to what you mentioned am dealing with some potentially real bad medical stuff on a personal level. I'm in some trouble, the question is how much. I hope (sort of) to find out in the next few days. Fingers crossed it's only a little trouble.
I'm sending all my best wishes for a good report regarding your health.
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California up through British Columbia...
How do fires and anti-vaxxers weigh up?
Sound mean? It's realistic.
Gonna be a long summer.
Believe me, it already has been a long summer. In addition to what you mentioned am dealing with some potentially real bad medical stuff on a personal level. I'm in some trouble, the question is how much. I hope (sort of) to find out in the next few days. Fingers crossed it's only a little trouble.
I'm sending all my best wishes for a good report regarding your health.
Thank you
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California up through British Columbia...
How do fires and anti-vaxxers weigh up?
Sound mean? It's realistic.
Gonna be a long summer.
Believe me, it already has been a long summer. In addition to what you mentioned am dealing with some potentially real bad medical stuff on a personal level. I'm in some trouble, the question is how much. I hope (sort of) to find out in the next few days. Fingers crossed it's only a little trouble.
I'm sending all my best wishes for a good report regarding your health.
Thank you
Best wishes CR...I hope things improve for you soon.
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California up through British Columbia...
How do fires and anti-vaxxers weigh up?
Sound mean? It's realistic.
Gonna be a long summer.
Believe me, it already has been a long summer. In addition to what you mentioned am dealing with some potentially real bad medical stuff on a personal level. I'm in some trouble, the question is how much. I hope (sort of) to find out in the next few days. Fingers crossed it's only a little trouble.
I'm sending all my best wishes for a good report regarding your health.
Thank you
Best wishes CR...I hope things improve for you soon.
thank you