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SomeTorontoGirl
Seeing news this morning of another new variant in India, being called the ‘Delta plus’ variant, or AY.1. There is uncertainty about how big the threat is. If variants continue to emerge (as they will in unvaccinated populations) the tour will become increasingly unlikely - am never sure whether to put this news on the Covid thread or the tour thread.
[www.bbc.com]
“India has classified a new variant of the coronavirus first identified in Europe as a "variant of concern", but it's too early to tell whether it poses a significant threat.
India's health ministry says studies showed that the so-called Delta plus variant - also known as AY.1 - spreads more easily, binds more easily to lung cells and is potentially resistant to monoclonal antibody therapy, a potent intravenous infusion of antibodies to neutralise the virus.
The variant is related to the Delta, an existing variant of concern, which was first identified in India last year and is thought to have driven the deadly second wave of infections this summer in India.
The health ministry says the Delta plus variant, first found in India in April, has been detected in around 40 samples from six districts in three states - Maharashtra, Kerala and Madhya Pradesh. At least 16 of these samples were found in Maharashtra, one of the states hardest hit by the pandemic.
Delta plus has also been found in nine other countries - USA, UK, Portugal, Switzerland, Japan, Poland, Nepal, Russia and China - compared to the original highly contagious Delta strain, which has now spread to 80 countries.“
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Nikkei
I'm beginning to doubt these claims that every new variant is 60-70% more contagious. The numbers don't support that.
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Nikkei
I'm beginning to doubt these claims that every new variant is 60-70% more contagious. The numbers don't support that.
How do you come to that?
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I'm beginning to doubt these claims that every new variant is 60-70% more contagious. The numbers don't support that.
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I'm beginning to doubt these claims that every new variant is 60-70% more contagious. The numbers don't support that.
How do you come to that?
I'm not making a point when saying that I'm in doubt. But the B117 variant from January was supposed to be 70% more contagious that the original one. Then the same with P1 and now Delta is supposed to spread 60% more easily than the previous one. I wonder how it can become any more contagious without the total numbers skyrocketing in the meantime. Now you can mostly read how the percentage of the latest variant is growing very fast but only within the total numbers which are steadily declining overall. Again, the only point I can make ist that it seems peculiar.
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I find it ludicrous that the school of thought among some laymen is that if you don't get vaccinated, you will get the virus. If one follows that train of thought then many, many people who, for whatever reason are not vaccinated, maybe a billion or so people, will get sick and possibly die. That is not science, that is propaganda.
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I find it ludicrous that the school of thought among some laymen is that if you don't get vaccinated, you will get the virus. If one follows that train of thought then many, many people who, for whatever reason are not vaccinated, maybe a billion or so people, will get sick and possibly die. That is not science, that is propaganda.
It's perhaps overstated but seems that may well be the eventuality of it. However, whether that's within a couple years or a couple decades is, like so much with covid, unknown.
The simplest way to look at it to me is summed up in two recent comments I've seen/heard 1) it is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated and 2) the risk(s) of the virus is greater than the risk(s) of the vaccine.
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I find it ludicrous that the school of thought among some laymen is that if you don't get vaccinated, you will get the virus. If one follows that train of thought then many, many people who, for whatever reason are not vaccinated, maybe a billion or so people, will get sick and possibly die. That is not science, that is propaganda.
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I find it ludicrous that the school of thought among some laymen is that if you don't get vaccinated, you will get the virus. If one follows that train of thought then many, many people who, for whatever reason are not vaccinated, maybe a billion or so people, will get sick and possibly die. That is not science, that is propaganda.
It's perhaps overstated but seems that may well be the eventuality of it. However, whether that's within a couple years or a couple decades is, like so much with covid, unknown.
The simplest way to look at it to me is summed up in two recent comments I've seen/heard 1) it is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated and 2) the risk(s) of the virus is greater than the risk(s) of the vaccine.
I'm not so sure what's so hard to understand. It's an infectious disease so eventually most people will catch it if they aren't vaccinated. That doesn't mean they'll die, or even necessarily display any symptoms.
Interestingly reports coming with people that had COVID with no symptoms, are no w experiencing symptoms of 'long covid'. So even if you got through it the first time, it could still come back and bite you.
It's definitely a pandemic of the unvaccinated...the news this evening at a Florida government office, a bunch of people got COVID, 2 died, and the only person not impacted was vaccinated. But facts don't seem to matter so we'll twist with the COVID issue for a long time because people refuse to protect themselves and their family.
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Except in this case there seems to be a deliberate effort to conceal the origin (at least if one school of thought is to be believed).
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I find it ludicrous that the school of thought among some laymen is that if you don't get vaccinated, you will get the virus. If one follows that train of thought then many, many people who, for whatever reason are not vaccinated, maybe a billion or so people, will get sick and possibly die. That is not science, that is propaganda.
It's perhaps overstated but seems that may well be the eventuality of it. However, whether that's within a couple years or a couple decades is, like so much with covid, unknown.
The simplest way to look at it to me is summed up in two recent comments I've seen/heard 1) it is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated and 2) the risk(s) of the virus is greater than the risk(s) of the vaccine.
I'm not so sure what's so hard to understand. It's an infectious disease so eventually most people will catch it if they aren't vaccinated. That doesn't mean they'll die, or even necessarily display any symptoms.
Interestingly reports coming with people that had COVID with no symptoms, are no w experiencing symptoms of 'long covid'. So even if you got through it the first time, it could still come back and bite you.
It's definitely a pandemic of the unvaccinated...the news this evening at a Florida government office, a bunch of people got COVID, 2 died, and the only person not impacted was vaccinated. But facts don't seem to matter so we'll twist with the COVID issue for a long time because people refuse to protect themselves and their family.
It's an "infectious disease" that no one knows the origin of. All kept very mysterious but everyone into the pool. I'm aware of the office story where people got infected and 2 died. No thanks.
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Lol, bring out your dead!
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daspyknows
Good move by the NFL and the NFLPA. If a guy can't play due to a knee injury they don't get the bonus. Not taking anything away but providing an incentive.
Vaccinated players who miss games with COVID-19 will still receive per-game roster bonuses
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 24, 2021, 4:59 AM EDT
The NFL and the NFL Players Association have given players another good reason to get vaccinated.
The league and the players’ union have agreed that if a fully vaccinated player gets COVID-19 anyway, that player will still receive any per-game roster bonuses called for in his contract in games he misses. Unvaccinated players who miss games with COVID-19 will not receive per-game roster bonuses.
Tom Pelissero of NFL Network reports that the newly agreed upon rule reads as follows: “If a fully vaccinated player whose NFL Player Contract includes a per game roster bonus (e.g., Active List roster bonus, Active/Inactive List roster bonus) subsequently contracts COVID-19 (i.e., a breakthrough case) and misses one or more 2021 regular season games as a result of such COVID-19 diagnosis, such player will be eligible to earn his per game roster bonus for any such regular season game(s).”
Fully vaccinated people rarely get COVID-19, and when they do their symptoms are usually mild. But “breakthrough” cases can happen, and now players who have breakthrough cases won’t have to worry about it hitting them in the paycheck.
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Good move by the NFL and the NFLPA. If a guy can't play due to a knee injury they don't get the bonus. Not taking anything away but providing an incentive.
Vaccinated players who miss games with COVID-19 will still receive per-game roster bonuses
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 24, 2021, 4:59 AM EDT
The NFL and the NFL Players Association have given players another good reason to get vaccinated.
The league and the players’ union have agreed that if a fully vaccinated player gets COVID-19 anyway, that player will still receive any per-game roster bonuses called for in his contract in games he misses. Unvaccinated players who miss games with COVID-19 will not receive per-game roster bonuses.
Tom Pelissero of NFL Network reports that the newly agreed upon rule reads as follows: “If a fully vaccinated player whose NFL Player Contract includes a per game roster bonus (e.g., Active List roster bonus, Active/Inactive List roster bonus) subsequently contracts COVID-19 (i.e., a breakthrough case) and misses one or more 2021 regular season games as a result of such COVID-19 diagnosis, such player will be eligible to earn his per game roster bonus for any such regular season game(s).”
Fully vaccinated people rarely get COVID-19, and when they do their symptoms are usually mild. But “breakthrough” cases can happen, and now players who have breakthrough cases won’t have to worry about it hitting them in the paycheck.
I wonder if they treat the flu the same way? That might have set a precedent.
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Good move by the NFL and the NFLPA. If a guy can't play due to a knee injury they don't get the bonus. Not taking anything away but providing an incentive.
Vaccinated players who miss games with COVID-19 will still receive per-game roster bonuses
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 24, 2021, 4:59 AM EDT
The NFL and the NFL Players Association have given players another good reason to get vaccinated.
The league and the players’ union have agreed that if a fully vaccinated player gets COVID-19 anyway, that player will still receive any per-game roster bonuses called for in his contract in games he misses. Unvaccinated players who miss games with COVID-19 will not receive per-game roster bonuses.
Tom Pelissero of NFL Network reports that the newly agreed upon rule reads as follows: “If a fully vaccinated player whose NFL Player Contract includes a per game roster bonus (e.g., Active List roster bonus, Active/Inactive List roster bonus) subsequently contracts COVID-19 (i.e., a breakthrough case) and misses one or more 2021 regular season games as a result of such COVID-19 diagnosis, such player will be eligible to earn his per game roster bonus for any such regular season game(s).”
Fully vaccinated people rarely get COVID-19, and when they do their symptoms are usually mild. But “breakthrough” cases can happen, and now players who have breakthrough cases won’t have to worry about it hitting them in the paycheck.
I wonder if they treat the flu the same way? That might have set a precedent.
Players can and have played with the flu. Covid IS NOT the flu.
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Good move by the NFL and the NFLPA. If a guy can't play due to a knee injury they don't get the bonus. Not taking anything away but providing an incentive.
Vaccinated players who miss games with COVID-19 will still receive per-game roster bonuses
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 24, 2021, 4:59 AM EDT
The NFL and the NFL Players Association have given players another good reason to get vaccinated.
The league and the players’ union have agreed that if a fully vaccinated player gets COVID-19 anyway, that player will still receive any per-game roster bonuses called for in his contract in games he misses. Unvaccinated players who miss games with COVID-19 will not receive per-game roster bonuses.
Tom Pelissero of NFL Network reports that the newly agreed upon rule reads as follows: “If a fully vaccinated player whose NFL Player Contract includes a per game roster bonus (e.g., Active List roster bonus, Active/Inactive List roster bonus) subsequently contracts COVID-19 (i.e., a breakthrough case) and misses one or more 2021 regular season games as a result of such COVID-19 diagnosis, such player will be eligible to earn his per game roster bonus for any such regular season game(s).”
Fully vaccinated people rarely get COVID-19, and when they do their symptoms are usually mild. But “breakthrough” cases can happen, and now players who have breakthrough cases won’t have to worry about it hitting them in the paycheck.
I wonder if they treat the flu the same way? That might have set a precedent.
Players can and have played with the flu. Covid IS NOT the flu.
Players can and have played with Covid, fyi.