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People in Florida are not getting vaccinated though.
No you don't get it. The NFL policy is a player in close contact with someone exposed to Covid has to test negative for 5 days, whether or not they are sick. If a player is on the Covid list they cannot practice or play. They are not sick, but represent a risk to others who are not vaccinated. Does that mean they should be paid? The team has to sign and pay another player which impacts the team's salary cap so those who are vaccinated get less money the next year. Under your logic, someone , lets say a pilot can show up sloppy drunk for a flight and get paid. The airline would have to replace them and they would still get paid. Does that seem like a good idea? Or should the pilot just go drunk flying with a fake I'm not drunk card. Stick to topics you know something about, like the earth is flat. Obviously it is your expertise.
Well I have no idea about the vaccination numbers in Florida but I would assume people who are having meals delivered to them like this are elderly and frail so more likely to take the vaccine.If people are against the vaccine then more than likely they are against wearing a mask but again if you get the vaccine yourself you really shouldn’t be concerned at all about getting sick from Covid.
Nate
Maybe, maybe not. These people claim they were vaccinated but then again they might have just bought their vaccination cards.
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geebus, man...I simply disagree with you about the unvaccinated being forced to take a pay-cut....its a POLICY you are proposing and I disagree with it.
....and you jump to Flat-Earther?
can we simply "agree to disagree" about how Sick Leave and Mandatory Vaccinations in the NFL should work without such ridiculous leaps to being Flat Earthers....my goodness.
FYI, being drunk on the job is not "sick"...your analogy is absurd, so please don't project such nonsense onto me and declare it is my position...
incidentally, friend....NFL Rosters have 48 players...for a reason.
they don't have to resign anybody if a player (or players) are out for any reason....they have back-ups....that's precisely why the Broncos started a wide-receiver at QB...
I'm not even sure they CAN sign players whenever they feel the need...I don't know for sure, but I think there are set time-frames/dates when teams can sign "Free Agents"...I don't think it is "whenever you feel like"...
I could be wrong on that, though.
Look, friend...all I ask is that you stick to what I say....and try to accept the fact that some people have different views than you do about the way things like "sick leave" should or should not work....
as stated: we aren't discussing the Law of Gravity....we're discussing sick leave and mandated vaccines in the workplace....there's wiggle room between various position, man....can you not see that?
by the way...just wondering YOUR OPINION: what should happen if the Vax is mandated an an NFL-er gets heart inflamation as a result and can never play again?
Should the NFL be forced to pay-out millions in lost-salaries, bonuses, contracts and pensions?
....or just pay out the rest of the existing contract and kick them to the curb?
b/c I'd sue the balls off my employer if they forced me to take a drug that ruined my career....
....especially if it were you...haha...just kidding, just kidding.
let's just agree to disagree....funny thing, Daspy, I honestly think you and I probably agree about more things than we disagree about when it comes to Covid.
I just don't want the Vax mandated in any way....I just don't believe in such policies...it's just how I am.
can you accept that?
if not...no worries. I just want to know where I stand w/ you.
peace.
1 percent of athletes WITH Covid had heart inflammation. One in 500,000 to 1 million have had it in the general population of young males from a vaccination. All of those were easily treated while the NFL players with Covid did not. Just to be clear I never said vaccines should be mandated but I am saying if someone is not vaccinated, the team should not be required to pay them for exercising their rights. Big difference. If the player does suffer career damage from the vaccine, they should be paid if under the care of the team just as if they hurt their knee. It is my opinion and it is your opinion. They are different in that regard. The risk of being unvaccinated and catching Covid is much higher than the risk of the vaccine. Life has risks. The risk to oneself AND others i.e. team is much higher in one situation.
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I think you're wrong here daspy...when you say the deaths could have been prevented. I don't think they could have. Stupidity doesn't seem to be curably. Who I feel sorry for are the children that are affected by it, either directly meaning they catch it, or they have a parent that dies because of it.
That is tragic.
I love the Beatles but I guess that's besides the point. I should break out my white album.
Adults who refuse the vaccine, catch Covid and die are as preventable as someone drinking a fifth of vodka, getting behind the wheel of their car and crashing into a tree. Stupidity isn't curable and seems to be spreading like a plague.
When can we change the name of this thread to something like "Daspy Argues with Everyone?"
My partner is reluctant to get the vaccine. I’m hopeful she will, but would never dare pressurise her to do so. What would you call her?
This reeks of, “bet you won’t say it to my face.” Grow up guys.
I don’t disagree. I just tire of the vitriolic attacks. In my opinion, that vaccine is the only cure, yet I do not believe in belittling those who are reluctant. The constant barrage is unnecessary, unfair and unkind. People are reluctant for many reasons. Yes, some are stupid; others are genuine.
Nobody with any information?
I feel the same way, it sounds like the best cure. Are there side effects? Probably. Are some bad? Probably. But what are my odds they're worse than the virus? Probably not on a case by case basis. Though we know the virus has killed millions, and undoubtedly the vaccine has killed some undetermined amount. It's not a magic bullet for all that ails ya'. Only time will tell.
And look how things have changed over time, at one point those saying this started in a lab were loony conspiracy theorists, now it's starting to look like the most plausible theory.
And at another point Dr. Fauci was considered a god, now there's questions about his involvement in the CDC giving the NIH $$ to be granted through a 3rd party to the very lab where it's starting to look like this thing started. I'm not saying he's a villain, just connected in some unfortunate way.
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This vaccine technology has been under development for 20 years. Understand the science behind the vaccine. Millions have died from the virus, how many have died from the vaccine? How many lives have been saved from the vaccine?
This is not good. The US has lagged Europe and the UK by 4 to 6 weeks every wave of the pandemic. When the Delta variant lands in one of the 30% vaccination regions of the US it will spread fast.
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
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Date: June 11, 2021 18:50
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A brief covid related story. I wanted to resume my volunteer work for Meals on Wheels, which is a service that brings meals to the elderly and infirm. I was told that I absolutely must be double vaccinated and wear a mask and gloves during my deliveries. I felt this would be a safe way for me to begin to return to some sense of normality. Not one of the people I dropped meals off to wore a mask. It was very disheartening.
Why would they wear a mask when very likely they have been double vaccinated.Might as well wear a bulletproof vest when someone’s pointing a water pistol at you.
Nate
People in Florida are not getting vaccinated though.
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Date: June 11, 2021 18:59
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^ I found it interesting especially after last year. There is debate whether unvaxxed players who end up on Covid lists should be paid. The NFLPA says yes but this needs to be negotiated since a player on the Covid list can't play and must be replaced.
I think the unvaccinated who end up on the Covid list do deserve a salary haircut at least.
Just so I am clear (b/c you used the word "haircut"): You think the unvaccinated who get Covid and can't play....should get a pay-cut?
I don't know for certain, but I would imagine the NFLPA has negotiated a blanket "sick day" policy for the players....
people are allowed to take days off of work when they are sick, dude....they also probably have "personal days" too.....most jobs in modern democracies have such policies....which is the HUMANE policy.
"if you get sick and can't work, you take a pay cut" sounds more like a Nike Sweatshop in Communist China.....
No you don't get it. The NFL policy is a player in close contact with someone exposed to Covid has to test negative for 5 days, whether or not they are sick. If a player is on the Covid list they cannot practice or play. They are not sick, but represent a risk to others who are not vaccinated. Does that mean they should be paid? The team has to sign and pay another player which impacts the team's salary cap so those who are vaccinated get less money the next year. Under your logic, someone , lets say a pilot can show up sloppy drunk for a flight and get paid. The airline would have to replace them and they would still get paid. Does that seem like a good idea? Or should the pilot just go drunk flying with a fake I'm not drunk card. Stick to topics you know something about, like the earth is flat. Obviously it is your expertise.
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A brief covid related story. I wanted to resume my volunteer work for Meals on Wheels, which is a service that brings meals to the elderly and infirm. I was told that I absolutely must be double vaccinated and wear a mask and gloves during my deliveries. I felt this would be a safe way for me to begin to return to some sense of normality. Not one of the people I dropped meals off to wore a mask. It was very disheartening.
Why would they wear a mask when very likely they have been double vaccinated.Might as well wear a bulletproof vest when someone’s pointing a water pistol at you.
Nate
People in Florida are not getting vaccinated though.
Well I have no idea about the vaccination numbers in Florida but I would assume people who are having meals delivered to them like this are elderly and frail so more likely to take the vaccine.If people are against the vaccine then more than likely they are against wearing a mask but again if you get the vaccine yourself you really shouldn’t be concerned at all about getting sick from Covid.
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Date: June 11, 2021 19:56
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A brief covid related story. I wanted to resume my volunteer work for Meals on Wheels, which is a service that brings meals to the elderly and infirm. I was told that I absolutely must be double vaccinated and wear a mask and gloves during my deliveries. I felt this would be a safe way for me to begin to return to some sense of normality. Not one of the people I dropped meals off to wore a mask. It was very disheartening.
Why would they wear a mask when very likely they have been double vaccinated.Might as well wear a bulletproof vest when someone’s pointing a water pistol at you.
Nate
People in Florida are not getting vaccinated though.
Well I have no idea about the vaccination numbers in Florida but I would assume people who are having meals delivered to them like this are elderly and frail so more likely to take the vaccine.If people are against the vaccine then more than likely they are against wearing a mask but again if you get the vaccine yourself you really shouldn’t be concerned at all about getting sick from Covid.
Nate
Maybe, maybe not. These people claim they were vaccinated but then again they might have just bought their vaccination cards.
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
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Date: June 11, 2021 19:56
2 passengers on Celebrity Millennium cruise test positive for Covid-19
"All guests aboard the Celebrity Millennium cruise -- with port stops in Barbados, Aruba and Curacao --
were required to show vaccination proof and a negative Covid-19 test within 72 hours of departing"
Corona-Cruise
Two guests aboard the first major sea cruise hosting Americans since the pandemic halted the industry have tested positive for Covid-19 in required end-of-cruise testing, the cruise line said Thursday. The two guests, who shared a stateroom on the seven-day Celebrity Millennium cruise from St. Maarten, are asymptomatic, in isolation and being monitored by a medical team, Celebrity Cruise Lines said in a news release. "We are conducting contact tracing, expediting testing for all close contacts and closely monitoring the situation," the news release said.
The ship set sail Saturday "with fully vaccinated crew and guests and following comprehensive protocols that align with our destination partners and exceed CDC guidelines to protect the health and safety of our guests," the release said. So-called "breakthrough" coronavirus cases, in which people get infected after vaccination, are expected. Such cases result in milder Covid-19 illness than in unvaccinated people, a US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published this week shows. Fully vaccinated people are more than 90% protected against infection, with partially vaccinated people 81% less likely to become infected than those who haven't had been inoculated, according to the ongoing study of essential workers who got Pfizer/BioNTech's or Moderna's vaccine. Those in the study who got breakthrough infections after one or two doses had 40% less virus in their bodies and were 58% less likely to have fever. They spent two fewer days in bed than unvaccinated Covid-19 patients.
Guests had to show negative Covid-19 tests
All guests aboard the Celebrity Millennium cruise -- with port stops in Barbados, Aruba and Curacao -- were required to show vaccination proof and a negative Covid-19 test within 72 hours of departing St. Maarten on Saturday, the release said. About 500 passengers were on board, with over 95% fully vaccinated. Children who could not yet receive vaccinations were required to show negative Covid-19 tests. Details of the two Covid-positive passengers' vaccinations were not immediately known. "This situation demonstrates that our rigorous health and safety protocols work to protect our crew, guests and the communities we visit," the news release said. The Royal Caribbean Group, the parent company of Celebrity Cruise Lines, said Monday that returning to Barbados "for the first time in over a year is truly special." "Every measured step was taken to ensure that we protect the health and safety of our guests, crew and the residents of this treasured destination and we are thankful," its Twitter post said.
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"All guests aboard the Celebrity Millennium cruise -- with port stops in Barbados, Aruba and Curacao --
were required to show vaccination proof and a negative Covid-19 test within 72 hours of departing"
Corona-Cruise
Two guests aboard the first major sea cruise hosting Americans since the pandemic halted the industry have tested positive for Covid-19 in required end-of-cruise testing, the cruise line said Thursday. The two guests, who shared a stateroom on the seven-day Celebrity Millennium cruise from St. Maarten, are asymptomatic, in isolation and being monitored by a medical team, Celebrity Cruise Lines said in a news release. "We are conducting contact tracing, expediting testing for all close contacts and closely monitoring the situation," the news release said.
The ship set sail Saturday "with fully vaccinated crew and guests and following comprehensive protocols that align with our destination partners and exceed CDC guidelines to protect the health and safety of our guests," the release said. So-called "breakthrough" coronavirus cases, in which people get infected after vaccination, are expected. Such cases result in milder Covid-19 illness than in unvaccinated people, a US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published this week shows. Fully vaccinated people are more than 90% protected against infection, with partially vaccinated people 81% less likely to become infected than those who haven't had been inoculated, according to the ongoing study of essential workers who got Pfizer/BioNTech's or Moderna's vaccine. Those in the study who got breakthrough infections after one or two doses had 40% less virus in their bodies and were 58% less likely to have fever. They spent two fewer days in bed than unvaccinated Covid-19 patients.
Guests had to show negative Covid-19 tests
All guests aboard the Celebrity Millennium cruise -- with port stops in Barbados, Aruba and Curacao -- were required to show vaccination proof and a negative Covid-19 test within 72 hours of departing St. Maarten on Saturday, the release said. About 500 passengers were on board, with over 95% fully vaccinated. Children who could not yet receive vaccinations were required to show negative Covid-19 tests. Details of the two Covid-positive passengers' vaccinations were not immediately known. "This situation demonstrates that our rigorous health and safety protocols work to protect our crew, guests and the communities we visit," the news release said. The Royal Caribbean Group, the parent company of Celebrity Cruise Lines, said Monday that returning to Barbados "for the first time in over a year is truly special." "Every measured step was taken to ensure that we protect the health and safety of our guests, crew and the residents of this treasured destination and we are thankful," its Twitter post said.
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Date: June 11, 2021 20:15
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^ I found it interesting especially after last year. There is debate whether unvaxxed players who end up on Covid lists should be paid. The NFLPA says yes but this needs to be negotiated since a player on the Covid list can't play and must be replaced.
I think the unvaccinated who end up on the Covid list do deserve a salary haircut at least.
Just so I am clear (b/c you used the word "haircut"): You think the unvaccinated who get Covid and can't play....should get a pay-cut?
I don't know for certain, but I would imagine the NFLPA has negotiated a blanket "sick day" policy for the players....
people are allowed to take days off of work when they are sick, dude....they also probably have "personal days" too.....most jobs in modern democracies have such policies....which is the HUMANE policy.
"if you get sick and can't work, you take a pay cut" sounds more like a Nike Sweatshop in Communist China.....
No you don't get it. The NFL policy is a player in close contact with someone exposed to Covid has to test negative for 5 days, whether or not they are sick. If a player is on the Covid list they cannot practice or play. They are not sick, but represent a risk to others who are not vaccinated. Does that mean they should be paid? The team has to sign and pay another player which impacts the team's salary cap so those who are vaccinated get less money the next year. Under your logic, someone , lets say a pilot can show up sloppy drunk for a flight and get paid. The airline would have to replace them and they would still get paid. Does that seem like a good idea? Or should the pilot just go drunk flying with a fake I'm not drunk card. Stick to topics you know something about, like the earth is flat. Obviously it is your expertise.
geebus, man...I simply disagree with you about the unvaccinated being forced to take a pay-cut....its a POLICY you are proposing and I disagree with it.
....and you jump to Flat-Earther?
can we simply "agree to disagree" about how Sick Leave and Mandatory Vaccinations in the NFL should work without such ridiculous leaps to being Flat Earthers....my goodness.
FYI, being drunk on the job is not "sick"...your analogy is absurd, so please don't project such nonsense onto me and declare it is my position...
incidentally, friend....NFL Rosters have 48 players...for a reason.
they don't have to resign anybody if a player (or players) are out for any reason....they have back-ups....that's precisely why the Broncos started a wide-receiver at QB...
I'm not even sure they CAN sign players whenever they feel the need...I don't know for sure, but I think there are set time-frames/dates when teams can sign "Free Agents"...I don't think it is "whenever you feel like"...
I could be wrong on that, though.
Look, friend...all I ask is that you stick to what I say....and try to accept the fact that some people have different views than you do about the way things like "sick leave" should or should not work....
as stated: we aren't discussing the Law of Gravity....we're discussing sick leave and mandated vaccines in the workplace....there's wiggle room between various position, man....can you not see that?
by the way...just wondering YOUR OPINION: what should happen if the Vax is mandated an an NFL-er gets heart inflamation as a result and can never play again?
Should the NFL be forced to pay-out millions in lost-salaries, bonuses, contracts and pensions?
....or just pay out the rest of the existing contract and kick them to the curb?
b/c I'd sue the balls off my employer if they forced me to take a drug that ruined my career....
....especially if it were you...haha...just kidding, just kidding.
let's just agree to disagree....funny thing, Daspy, I honestly think you and I probably agree about more things than we disagree about when it comes to Covid.
I just don't want the Vax mandated in any way....I just don't believe in such policies...it's just how I am.
can you accept that?
if not...no worries. I just want to know where I stand w/ you.
peace.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
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Date: June 11, 2021 20:54
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^ I found it interesting especially after last year. There is debate whether unvaxxed players who end up on Covid lists should be paid. The NFLPA says yes but this needs to be negotiated since a player on the Covid list can't play and must be replaced.
I think the unvaccinated who end up on the Covid list do deserve a salary haircut at least.
Just so I am clear (b/c you used the word "haircut"): You think the unvaccinated who get Covid and can't play....should get a pay-cut?
I don't know for certain, but I would imagine the NFLPA has negotiated a blanket "sick day" policy for the players....
people are allowed to take days off of work when they are sick, dude....they also probably have "personal days" too.....most jobs in modern democracies have such policies....which is the HUMANE policy.
"if you get sick and can't work, you take a pay cut" sounds more like a Nike Sweatshop in Communist China.....
No you don't get it. The NFL policy is a player in close contact with someone exposed to Covid has to test negative for 5 days, whether or not they are sick. If a player is on the Covid list they cannot practice or play. They are not sick, but represent a risk to others who are not vaccinated. Does that mean they should be paid? The team has to sign and pay another player which impacts the team's salary cap so those who are vaccinated get less money the next year. Under your logic, someone , lets say a pilot can show up sloppy drunk for a flight and get paid. The airline would have to replace them and they would still get paid. Does that seem like a good idea? Or should the pilot just go drunk flying with a fake I'm not drunk card. Stick to topics you know something about, like the earth is flat. Obviously it is your expertise.
geebus, man...I simply disagree with you about the unvaccinated being forced to take a pay-cut....its a POLICY you are proposing and I disagree with it.
....and you jump to Flat-Earther?
can we simply "agree to disagree" about how Sick Leave and Mandatory Vaccinations in the NFL should work without such ridiculous leaps to being Flat Earthers....my goodness.
FYI, being drunk on the job is not "sick"...your analogy is absurd, so please don't project such nonsense onto me and declare it is my position...
incidentally, friend....NFL Rosters have 48 players...for a reason.
they don't have to resign anybody if a player (or players) are out for any reason....they have back-ups....that's precisely why the Broncos started a wide-receiver at QB...
I'm not even sure they CAN sign players whenever they feel the need...I don't know for sure, but I think there are set time-frames/dates when teams can sign "Free Agents"...I don't think it is "whenever you feel like"...
I could be wrong on that, though.
Look, friend...all I ask is that you stick to what I say....and try to accept the fact that some people have different views than you do about the way things like "sick leave" should or should not work....
as stated: we aren't discussing the Law of Gravity....we're discussing sick leave and mandated vaccines in the workplace....there's wiggle room between various position, man....can you not see that?
by the way...just wondering YOUR OPINION: what should happen if the Vax is mandated an an NFL-er gets heart inflamation as a result and can never play again?
Should the NFL be forced to pay-out millions in lost-salaries, bonuses, contracts and pensions?
....or just pay out the rest of the existing contract and kick them to the curb?
b/c I'd sue the balls off my employer if they forced me to take a drug that ruined my career....
....especially if it were you...haha...just kidding, just kidding.
let's just agree to disagree....funny thing, Daspy, I honestly think you and I probably agree about more things than we disagree about when it comes to Covid.
I just don't want the Vax mandated in any way....I just don't believe in such policies...it's just how I am.
can you accept that?
if not...no worries. I just want to know where I stand w/ you.
peace.
1 percent of athletes WITH Covid had heart inflammation. One in 500,000 to 1 million have had it in the general population of young males from a vaccination. All of those were easily treated while the NFL players with Covid did not. Just to be clear I never said vaccines should be mandated but I am saying if someone is not vaccinated, the team should not be required to pay them for exercising their rights. Big difference. If the player does suffer career damage from the vaccine, they should be paid if under the care of the team just as if they hurt their knee. It is my opinion and it is your opinion. They are different in that regard. The risk of being unvaccinated and catching Covid is much higher than the risk of the vaccine. Life has risks. The risk to oneself AND others i.e. team is much higher in one situation.
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
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Date: June 12, 2021 01:15
Undervaccinated red states are nowhere near herd immunity as dangerous Delta variant spreads
Delta
Many conservative-leaning U.S. states and communities are nowhere near reaching the level of COVID-19 vaccination that could keep them safe from future outbreaks of the highly contagious Delta coronavirus variant, according to the latest data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And numbers from the National Institutes of Health suggest they probably shouldn’t be relying on natural immunity to protect them, either. Across America, the people most at risk of serious illness or death from COVID-19 — senior citizens — have been vaccinated at the highest rates so deaths and hospitalizations will never again reach their horrific winter highs. Overall, experts agree, the worst of the pandemic is behind us. Even so, the Delta variant — which drove the massive wave of infection and death in India this spring — presents some very real risks. According to epidemiologists in the U.K., Delta (or B.1.617.2) is 40 to 60 percent more transmissible than the Alpha variant (B.1.1.7) that first emerged there in late 2020 and was itself up to 70 percent more transmissible than earlier versions of the virus. As a result, Delta has quickly overtaken Alpha in the U.K., where COVID-19 cases — 91 percent of which are now Delta — have doubled over the last week. And while all two-dose COVID vaccines are effective against Delta when fully administered, the variant’s immune escape properties cut vaccine protection to just 33 percent in the period between the first dose and the second, according to a new study from Public Health England. (Vaccine protection from Alpha is 50 percent three weeks after the first dose, according to the study.) This means, as another new U.K. study has shown, that while the current risk of infection is 1 in 22,455 for fully vaccinated U.K. residents, it rises to 1 in 7,901 for those who are partially vaccinated and 1 in 2,908 for the unvaccinated. That’s why Delta is now driving “an epidemic among the unvaccinated and partially vaccinated populations in the U.K.,” Tim Spector, a professor of genetic epidemiology at King’s College London and the lead author of the second study, told the Financial Times earlier this week. “The U.K. has rapidly changed from one of the best performing nations to a nation again struggling with rising cases.”
Earlier this week, Dr. Anthony Fauci, America’s top infectious disease expert, said the variant’s spread and dominance in the U.K. could spell trouble for the U.S., where Delta now accounts for 6 percent of all infections — a figure that rises to 18 percent or higher in some Western states — and where the number of first vaccine doses administered each day has fallen by more than 80 percent over the last three weeks. “We don’t want to let happen in the United States what is happening currently in the U.K., where you have a troublesome variant essentially taking over as the dominant variant,” Fauci warned. “We have within our power to [prevent] that by getting people vaccinated.” But that’s the problem: not enough Americans living in conservative states and communities are getting jabbed to eliminate that possibility, particularly when masking and distancing are no longer in effect. And it’s not safe to assume that natural immunity will pick up the slack. Why? Because there’s a lot less natural immunity in undervaccinated places than people might think.The latest CDC data shows that the gap between vaccination rates in red states and blue states is vast, and it’s only getting wider. Right now, the 10 states that have fully vaccinated the smallest share of their residents are Mississippi (28 percent), Alabama (30 percent), Arkansas (32 percent), Louisiana (32 percent), Wyoming (33 percent), Tennessee (33 percent), Utah (34 percent), Idaho (34 percent), Georgia (34 percent) and Oklahoma (35 percent). Meanwhile, the 10 states that have fully vaccinated the largest share of their residents are Vermont (60 percent), Massachusetts (57 percent), Maine (57 percent), Connecticut (56 percent), Rhode Island (54 percent), New Hampshire (53 percent), New Jersey (51 percent), Maryland (51 percent), Washington (49 percent) and New Mexico (49 percent). With the exception of Georgia, every state on the low-vax list voted Republican in the 2020 presidential election. Every state on the high-vax list voted Democratic. Likewise, the vast majority of the 100 U.S. counties with today’s highest per capita case counts are in conservative areas. According to the most recent Yahoo News/YouGov poll, more than three-quarters of Democrats (76 percent) say they’ve already been vaccinated, while less than half of Republicans (49 percent) say the same. A full 28 percent of Republicans say they will “never” get vaccinated.
Going forward, the hope for those living in undervaccinated areas is that even their slower inoculation rates will be sufficient, when combined with immunity acquired through prior infection, to keep dangerous variants like Delta from ever gaining traction — and COVID in general from making even a modest comeback. That’s certainly possible. Right now, this kind of combined, population-level immunity is helping to hold cases to historic lows even in states where vaccinations lag. But it’s no guarantee for the future. "We are vulnerable, and we will see an Omega strain at some point that could escape all immunity," says Yahoo News Medical Contributor Dr. Kavita Patel, a primary-care physician and health-policy fellow at the Brookings Institution. "Come fall, when 100 percent of normal life is back, we could see spikes in areas with low vaccination rates." There are two reasons for this. The first is that despite several huge nationwide surges — including a horrific holiday wave that saw COVID deaths exceed 4,000 on some days — the share of the population in undervaccinated states who were actually infected (and presumably acquired some degree of natural immunity) is still relatively small. Take Mississippi. Again, just 28 percent of the population there has been fully vaccinated. According to the NIH’s dashboard of seroprevalence studies, the share of Mississippians who possess antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 was most recently estimated at 28 percent as well. Given that there’s significant overlap between the two groups — many people who have had COVID also end up getting vaccinated — that probably leaves more than half of Mississippi’s population susceptible to Delta (at a time when few residents are continuing to take any precautions). And Mississippi is hardly an outlier. In fact, the most recent NIH antibody numbers are similar — or lower — across the other nine least vaccinated states: Alabama (30 percent), Arkansas (26 percent), Louisiana (15 percent), Tennessee (30 percent), Wyoming (29 percent), Idaho (19 percent), Utah (27 percent), Georgia (18 percent) and Oklahoma (19 percent). In comparison, New Jersey’s antibody estimate (31 percent), combined with its much higher full-vaccination rate (51 percent of the total population, plus another 10 percent who have received their first dose), puts it much closer to herd immunity, the level of population-wide protection that experts say is required to keep COVID at bay. In some West Coast cities like Seattle and San Francisco, 70 percent of residents over the age of 12 have been fully vaccinated. This stark contrast underscores the second reason why undervaccinated areas are potentially putting themselves in harm’s way when the weather changes and drives people indoors.
Scientists believe that full vaccination provides 88 percent protection against symptomatic disease from the Delta variant. But they don’t know how much protection prior infection by a different variant provides. In February 2021, researchers from India’s National Centre for Disease Control and CSIR Institute of Genomics and Integrative Biology reported that more than half of Delhi’s population already had SARS-CoV-2 antibodies — a higher number than any U.S. state, according to the NIH. But that did not stop a massive spring wave driven by Delta. In other words, the more you rely on full vaccination — and the less you rely on natural immunity — the safer your state or community will be. “This is a bit of a misunderstanding that unfortunately a lot of people have ... this idea that if you’ve been infected, you have natural immunity [and] you don’t need to get vaccinated,” Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, told CNN this week. “There is no doubt about it in my mind that a vaccine-induced immunity is much more durable and is going to hold up much better against the variants.” Vaccine manufacturers "can even develop a totally new vaccine in under 100 days" in response to threats like Delta, says Patel. Yet in the end, science can only do so much. "The challenge would be getting everyone to take it." None of which is to say that huge, holiday-level COVID surges are coming to conservative states and communities this summer or fall; in that regard, vaccinated residents will continue to protect unvaccinated residents from themselves. But in the U.K., the number of people hospitalized with the virus has now risen above 1,000 for the first time since mid-May — and a greater share of the population there (42 percent) has been fully vaccinated than in all but three of the 25 U.S. states that voted Republican in the 2020 presidential election. Already, U.S. hospitalizations have been skewing toward “people who are younger, people who have not been vaccinated," Dr. Krutika Kuppalli, an infectious disease expert at the Medical University of South Carolina, recently told the New York Times. “I understand that in the short run we may get away with it, having slow vaccination rates,” Jha explained earlier this week. “But those people really are vulnerable — once we have more variants circulating in the United States — to get reinfected and potentially get very sick.” If Jha is correct, Delta could soon lead to more COVID-19 illness and death in undervaccinated communities than in well-vaccinated communities. And while the numbers may not be as big as before, they will be all the more tragic because they could have been prevented.
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Delta
Many conservative-leaning U.S. states and communities are nowhere near reaching the level of COVID-19 vaccination that could keep them safe from future outbreaks of the highly contagious Delta coronavirus variant, according to the latest data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And numbers from the National Institutes of Health suggest they probably shouldn’t be relying on natural immunity to protect them, either. Across America, the people most at risk of serious illness or death from COVID-19 — senior citizens — have been vaccinated at the highest rates so deaths and hospitalizations will never again reach their horrific winter highs. Overall, experts agree, the worst of the pandemic is behind us. Even so, the Delta variant — which drove the massive wave of infection and death in India this spring — presents some very real risks. According to epidemiologists in the U.K., Delta (or B.1.617.2) is 40 to 60 percent more transmissible than the Alpha variant (B.1.1.7) that first emerged there in late 2020 and was itself up to 70 percent more transmissible than earlier versions of the virus. As a result, Delta has quickly overtaken Alpha in the U.K., where COVID-19 cases — 91 percent of which are now Delta — have doubled over the last week. And while all two-dose COVID vaccines are effective against Delta when fully administered, the variant’s immune escape properties cut vaccine protection to just 33 percent in the period between the first dose and the second, according to a new study from Public Health England. (Vaccine protection from Alpha is 50 percent three weeks after the first dose, according to the study.) This means, as another new U.K. study has shown, that while the current risk of infection is 1 in 22,455 for fully vaccinated U.K. residents, it rises to 1 in 7,901 for those who are partially vaccinated and 1 in 2,908 for the unvaccinated. That’s why Delta is now driving “an epidemic among the unvaccinated and partially vaccinated populations in the U.K.,” Tim Spector, a professor of genetic epidemiology at King’s College London and the lead author of the second study, told the Financial Times earlier this week. “The U.K. has rapidly changed from one of the best performing nations to a nation again struggling with rising cases.”
Earlier this week, Dr. Anthony Fauci, America’s top infectious disease expert, said the variant’s spread and dominance in the U.K. could spell trouble for the U.S., where Delta now accounts for 6 percent of all infections — a figure that rises to 18 percent or higher in some Western states — and where the number of first vaccine doses administered each day has fallen by more than 80 percent over the last three weeks. “We don’t want to let happen in the United States what is happening currently in the U.K., where you have a troublesome variant essentially taking over as the dominant variant,” Fauci warned. “We have within our power to [prevent] that by getting people vaccinated.” But that’s the problem: not enough Americans living in conservative states and communities are getting jabbed to eliminate that possibility, particularly when masking and distancing are no longer in effect. And it’s not safe to assume that natural immunity will pick up the slack. Why? Because there’s a lot less natural immunity in undervaccinated places than people might think.The latest CDC data shows that the gap between vaccination rates in red states and blue states is vast, and it’s only getting wider. Right now, the 10 states that have fully vaccinated the smallest share of their residents are Mississippi (28 percent), Alabama (30 percent), Arkansas (32 percent), Louisiana (32 percent), Wyoming (33 percent), Tennessee (33 percent), Utah (34 percent), Idaho (34 percent), Georgia (34 percent) and Oklahoma (35 percent). Meanwhile, the 10 states that have fully vaccinated the largest share of their residents are Vermont (60 percent), Massachusetts (57 percent), Maine (57 percent), Connecticut (56 percent), Rhode Island (54 percent), New Hampshire (53 percent), New Jersey (51 percent), Maryland (51 percent), Washington (49 percent) and New Mexico (49 percent). With the exception of Georgia, every state on the low-vax list voted Republican in the 2020 presidential election. Every state on the high-vax list voted Democratic. Likewise, the vast majority of the 100 U.S. counties with today’s highest per capita case counts are in conservative areas. According to the most recent Yahoo News/YouGov poll, more than three-quarters of Democrats (76 percent) say they’ve already been vaccinated, while less than half of Republicans (49 percent) say the same. A full 28 percent of Republicans say they will “never” get vaccinated.
Going forward, the hope for those living in undervaccinated areas is that even their slower inoculation rates will be sufficient, when combined with immunity acquired through prior infection, to keep dangerous variants like Delta from ever gaining traction — and COVID in general from making even a modest comeback. That’s certainly possible. Right now, this kind of combined, population-level immunity is helping to hold cases to historic lows even in states where vaccinations lag. But it’s no guarantee for the future. "We are vulnerable, and we will see an Omega strain at some point that could escape all immunity," says Yahoo News Medical Contributor Dr. Kavita Patel, a primary-care physician and health-policy fellow at the Brookings Institution. "Come fall, when 100 percent of normal life is back, we could see spikes in areas with low vaccination rates." There are two reasons for this. The first is that despite several huge nationwide surges — including a horrific holiday wave that saw COVID deaths exceed 4,000 on some days — the share of the population in undervaccinated states who were actually infected (and presumably acquired some degree of natural immunity) is still relatively small. Take Mississippi. Again, just 28 percent of the population there has been fully vaccinated. According to the NIH’s dashboard of seroprevalence studies, the share of Mississippians who possess antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 was most recently estimated at 28 percent as well. Given that there’s significant overlap between the two groups — many people who have had COVID also end up getting vaccinated — that probably leaves more than half of Mississippi’s population susceptible to Delta (at a time when few residents are continuing to take any precautions). And Mississippi is hardly an outlier. In fact, the most recent NIH antibody numbers are similar — or lower — across the other nine least vaccinated states: Alabama (30 percent), Arkansas (26 percent), Louisiana (15 percent), Tennessee (30 percent), Wyoming (29 percent), Idaho (19 percent), Utah (27 percent), Georgia (18 percent) and Oklahoma (19 percent). In comparison, New Jersey’s antibody estimate (31 percent), combined with its much higher full-vaccination rate (51 percent of the total population, plus another 10 percent who have received their first dose), puts it much closer to herd immunity, the level of population-wide protection that experts say is required to keep COVID at bay. In some West Coast cities like Seattle and San Francisco, 70 percent of residents over the age of 12 have been fully vaccinated. This stark contrast underscores the second reason why undervaccinated areas are potentially putting themselves in harm’s way when the weather changes and drives people indoors.
Scientists believe that full vaccination provides 88 percent protection against symptomatic disease from the Delta variant. But they don’t know how much protection prior infection by a different variant provides. In February 2021, researchers from India’s National Centre for Disease Control and CSIR Institute of Genomics and Integrative Biology reported that more than half of Delhi’s population already had SARS-CoV-2 antibodies — a higher number than any U.S. state, according to the NIH. But that did not stop a massive spring wave driven by Delta. In other words, the more you rely on full vaccination — and the less you rely on natural immunity — the safer your state or community will be. “This is a bit of a misunderstanding that unfortunately a lot of people have ... this idea that if you’ve been infected, you have natural immunity [and] you don’t need to get vaccinated,” Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, told CNN this week. “There is no doubt about it in my mind that a vaccine-induced immunity is much more durable and is going to hold up much better against the variants.” Vaccine manufacturers "can even develop a totally new vaccine in under 100 days" in response to threats like Delta, says Patel. Yet in the end, science can only do so much. "The challenge would be getting everyone to take it." None of which is to say that huge, holiday-level COVID surges are coming to conservative states and communities this summer or fall; in that regard, vaccinated residents will continue to protect unvaccinated residents from themselves. But in the U.K., the number of people hospitalized with the virus has now risen above 1,000 for the first time since mid-May — and a greater share of the population there (42 percent) has been fully vaccinated than in all but three of the 25 U.S. states that voted Republican in the 2020 presidential election. Already, U.S. hospitalizations have been skewing toward “people who are younger, people who have not been vaccinated," Dr. Krutika Kuppalli, an infectious disease expert at the Medical University of South Carolina, recently told the New York Times. “I understand that in the short run we may get away with it, having slow vaccination rates,” Jha explained earlier this week. “But those people really are vulnerable — once we have more variants circulating in the United States — to get reinfected and potentially get very sick.” If Jha is correct, Delta could soon lead to more COVID-19 illness and death in undervaccinated communities than in well-vaccinated communities. And while the numbers may not be as big as before, they will be all the more tragic because they could have been prevented.
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
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Date: June 12, 2021 01:37
This says it all. Anyone who falls into this category has only themselves to blame. Fear of computer chips, magnetic crystals or any other hokey excuse doesn't fly. These people with the stupidity virus will end up catching Covid. They can only blame themselves although I am sure it will be someone else's fault in their mind.
If Jha is correct, Delta could soon lead to more COVID-19 illness and death in undervaccinated communities than in well-vaccinated communities. And while the numbers may not be as big as before, they will be all the more tragic because they could have been prevented.
If Jha is correct, Delta could soon lead to more COVID-19 illness and death in undervaccinated communities than in well-vaccinated communities. And while the numbers may not be as big as before, they will be all the more tragic because they could have been prevented.
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Midnight Toker
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Date: June 12, 2021 02:08
Read Fauci's e-mails for the truth.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
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NICOS
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Date: June 12, 2021 02:50
Maybe some one of you will understand................ a topic that last for more than a year make me ............so....
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Date: June 12, 2021 03:34
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daspyknows
This says it all. Anyone who falls into this category has only themselves to blame. Fear of computer chips, magnetic crystals or any other hokey excuse doesn't fly. These people with the stupidity virus will end up catching Covid. They can only blame themselves although I am sure it will be someone else's fault in their mind.
If Jha is correct, Delta could soon lead to more COVID-19 illness and death in undervaccinated communities than in well-vaccinated communities. And while the numbers may not be as big as before, they will be all the more tragic because they could have been prevented.
I think you're wrong here daspy...when you say the deaths could have been prevented. I don't think they could have. Stupidity doesn't seem to be curably. Who I feel sorry for are the children that are affected by it, either directly meaning they catch it, or they have a parent that dies because of it.
That is tragic.
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Date: June 12, 2021 03:45
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NICOS
Maybe some one of you will understand................ a topic that last for more than a year make me ............so....
I love the Beatles but I guess that's besides the point. I should break out my white album.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
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Date: June 12, 2021 04:51
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daspyknows
This says it all. Anyone who falls into this category has only themselves to blame. Fear of computer chips, magnetic crystals or any other hokey excuse doesn't fly. These people with the stupidity virus will end up catching Covid. They can only blame themselves although I am sure it will be someone else's fault in their mind.
If Jha is correct, Delta could soon lead to more COVID-19 illness and death in undervaccinated communities than in well-vaccinated communities. And while the numbers may not be as big as before, they will be all the more tragic because they could have been prevented.
I think you're wrong here daspy...when you say the deaths could have been prevented. I don't think they could have. Stupidity doesn't seem to be curably. Who I feel sorry for are the children that are affected by it, either directly meaning they catch it, or they have a parent that dies because of it.
That is tragic.
Adults who refuse the vaccine, catch Covid and die are as preventable as someone drinking a fifth of vodka, getting behind the wheel of their car and crashing into a tree. Stupidity isn't curable and seems to be spreading like a plague.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
Hairball
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Date: June 12, 2021 05:31
From USA Today:
What is the new coronavirus Delta variant, and should Americans be worried?
Delta Variant
As COVID-19 restrictions are lifted and the pace of vaccinations has slowed in the U.S., the rise of a new coronavirus variant worries some health experts. The variant, known as the Delta or B.1.617.2 , was first detected in India and has spread to more than 60 countries. In the United Kingdom, it accounts for about 60% of coronavirus cases. In the U.S., it currently accounts for 6% of infections, though in some states it accounts for over 18% of sampled coronavirus cases, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. So what is it about the Delta variant that has health experts worried? USA TODAY spoke to two experts for their take.
What are the Delta variant symptoms?
Dr. Bhakti Hansoti is an associate professor of emergency medicine and international health at Johns Hopkins University and Bloomberg School of Public Health. Hansoti said Delta variant infections in India and the U.S. come with all the same symptoms of the original Sars-CoV-2 virus, just more severe. Hansoti said doctors have seen an increased likelihood of hearing loss, severe stomach pains and nausea in patients infected with the new variant. In most cases, patients are more likely to be hospitalized, require oxygen treatments and endure other complications.
Should vaccinated Americans be worried?
No, if you received your second dose. A new study from Public Health England showed two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 88% effective against symptomatic disease from the Delta variant, and even more successful at preventing hospitalization and death. The study, however, found one dose of the Pfizer vaccine was only 33% protective. "So without that (second dose) it still leaves them very vulnerable [to sickness] and this variant is highly transmissible," Hansoti told USA TODAY. Jonathan Baktari, CEO of e7 Health a health care and wellness company, said the Delta variant is a testament to why it's important to get both doses of the vaccine.
How do variants form?
The CDC says coronavirus variants are the result of changes to the virus' genes. Every time a virus replicates, mutations naturally occur in its genetic material. The CDC lists a total of nine common variants it's monitoring.
Why are health experts concerned?
Baktari said the biggest threat with the Delta variant is its ability to infect easily and quickly. He compared it to a sticky object — if one infected person is in a room and talks or sneezes, it will easier stick to another person. "The aerosol will release the virus and the virus has an easier time sticking to its next victim as it were," Baktari said. Hansoti's concerns lie not just with the variant but with Americans' urge to return to normal this summer. People are burned out from months of social distancing and isolation. It's time for socializing, holidays and vacations. Those activities mixed with a highly transmissible variant is a worry, especially among the unvaccinated. "It's the confluence of all of these things, decreasing restrictions and then a highly transmissible variant with increased severity of illness on a platform of a burned-out, overstretched health system, which could potentially be a chaotic third wave for America," Hansoti said.
How can Americans reduce the spread in the US?
"Get vaccinated and wait two weeks. Remain careful and stay home if you feel any type of sickness," Baktari recommends. He added that combatting vaccine hesitancy and reaching herd immunity is the key to reducing the spread of the Delta variant and all coronavirus variants. Rather than resorting to an "all or nothing" response, Hansoti said it's time to establish a "new normal" to prevent further surges. "We need masking in public areas, limited gathering sizes and increased scrutiny in schools and public spaces where people can be symptomatic," Hansoti said. "If not, after the Delta variant, another variant will just come and surge again."
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
What is the new coronavirus Delta variant, and should Americans be worried?
Delta Variant
As COVID-19 restrictions are lifted and the pace of vaccinations has slowed in the U.S., the rise of a new coronavirus variant worries some health experts. The variant, known as the Delta or B.1.617.2 , was first detected in India and has spread to more than 60 countries. In the United Kingdom, it accounts for about 60% of coronavirus cases. In the U.S., it currently accounts for 6% of infections, though in some states it accounts for over 18% of sampled coronavirus cases, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. So what is it about the Delta variant that has health experts worried? USA TODAY spoke to two experts for their take.
What are the Delta variant symptoms?
Dr. Bhakti Hansoti is an associate professor of emergency medicine and international health at Johns Hopkins University and Bloomberg School of Public Health. Hansoti said Delta variant infections in India and the U.S. come with all the same symptoms of the original Sars-CoV-2 virus, just more severe. Hansoti said doctors have seen an increased likelihood of hearing loss, severe stomach pains and nausea in patients infected with the new variant. In most cases, patients are more likely to be hospitalized, require oxygen treatments and endure other complications.
Should vaccinated Americans be worried?
No, if you received your second dose. A new study from Public Health England showed two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 88% effective against symptomatic disease from the Delta variant, and even more successful at preventing hospitalization and death. The study, however, found one dose of the Pfizer vaccine was only 33% protective. "So without that (second dose) it still leaves them very vulnerable [to sickness] and this variant is highly transmissible," Hansoti told USA TODAY. Jonathan Baktari, CEO of e7 Health a health care and wellness company, said the Delta variant is a testament to why it's important to get both doses of the vaccine.
How do variants form?
The CDC says coronavirus variants are the result of changes to the virus' genes. Every time a virus replicates, mutations naturally occur in its genetic material. The CDC lists a total of nine common variants it's monitoring.
Why are health experts concerned?
Baktari said the biggest threat with the Delta variant is its ability to infect easily and quickly. He compared it to a sticky object — if one infected person is in a room and talks or sneezes, it will easier stick to another person. "The aerosol will release the virus and the virus has an easier time sticking to its next victim as it were," Baktari said. Hansoti's concerns lie not just with the variant but with Americans' urge to return to normal this summer. People are burned out from months of social distancing and isolation. It's time for socializing, holidays and vacations. Those activities mixed with a highly transmissible variant is a worry, especially among the unvaccinated. "It's the confluence of all of these things, decreasing restrictions and then a highly transmissible variant with increased severity of illness on a platform of a burned-out, overstretched health system, which could potentially be a chaotic third wave for America," Hansoti said.
How can Americans reduce the spread in the US?
"Get vaccinated and wait two weeks. Remain careful and stay home if you feel any type of sickness," Baktari recommends. He added that combatting vaccine hesitancy and reaching herd immunity is the key to reducing the spread of the Delta variant and all coronavirus variants. Rather than resorting to an "all or nothing" response, Hansoti said it's time to establish a "new normal" to prevent further surges. "We need masking in public areas, limited gathering sizes and increased scrutiny in schools and public spaces where people can be symptomatic," Hansoti said. "If not, after the Delta variant, another variant will just come and surge again."
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
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Date: June 13, 2021 16:06
Dasp, you crack me up. Love scanning this thread for you comments.
What did you do before covid?
What did you do before covid?
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
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kovach
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Date: June 13, 2021 16:22
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MingSubu
Dasp, you crack me up. Love scanning this thread for you comments.
What did you do before covid?
When can we change the name of this thread to something like "Daspy Argues with Everyone?"
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
MisterDDDD
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Date: June 13, 2021 18:14
This was a promising decision made yesterday in Federal Court.
There will be appeals, but ultimately this will help in getting vaccine reluctant workers to get the jab as more employers require it.
In first federal ruling on vaccine mandates, judge sides with Houston hospital, dismissing claims from staff resisters
David Heath
Sat, June 12, 2021, 7:42 PM·3 min read
HOUSTON – In the first federal ruling on vaccine mandates, a Houston judge Saturday dismissed a lawsuit by hospital employees who declined the COVID-19 shot – a decision that could have a ripple effect across the nation.
The case involved Houston Methodist, which was the first hospital system in the country to require that all its employees get vaccinated. U.S. District Judge Lynn N. Hughes said federal law does not prevent employers from issuing that mandate.
After months of warnings, Houston Methodist had put more than 170 of its 26,000 employees on unpaid suspension Monday. They were told they would be fired it they weren't vaccinated by June 21.
The hospital already had made it clear it means what it says: It fired the director of corporate risk – Bob Nevens – and another manager in April when they did not meet the earlier deadline for bosses.
[www.yahoo.com]
There will be appeals, but ultimately this will help in getting vaccine reluctant workers to get the jab as more employers require it.
In first federal ruling on vaccine mandates, judge sides with Houston hospital, dismissing claims from staff resisters
David Heath
Sat, June 12, 2021, 7:42 PM·3 min read
HOUSTON – In the first federal ruling on vaccine mandates, a Houston judge Saturday dismissed a lawsuit by hospital employees who declined the COVID-19 shot – a decision that could have a ripple effect across the nation.
The case involved Houston Methodist, which was the first hospital system in the country to require that all its employees get vaccinated. U.S. District Judge Lynn N. Hughes said federal law does not prevent employers from issuing that mandate.
After months of warnings, Houston Methodist had put more than 170 of its 26,000 employees on unpaid suspension Monday. They were told they would be fired it they weren't vaccinated by June 21.
The hospital already had made it clear it means what it says: It fired the director of corporate risk – Bob Nevens – and another manager in April when they did not meet the earlier deadline for bosses.
[www.yahoo.com]
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
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Big Al
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Date: June 13, 2021 18:42
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daspyknows
This says it all. Anyone who falls into this category has only themselves to blame. Fear of computer chips, magnetic crystals or any other hokey excuse doesn't fly. These people with the stupidity virus will end up catching Covid. They can only blame themselves although I am sure it will be someone else's fault in their mind.
If Jha is correct, Delta could soon lead to more COVID-19 illness and death in undervaccinated communities than in well-vaccinated communities. And while the numbers may not be as big as before, they will be all the more tragic because they could have been prevented.
I think you're wrong here daspy...when you say the deaths could have been prevented. I don't think they could have. Stupidity doesn't seem to be curably. Who I feel sorry for are the children that are affected by it, either directly meaning they catch it, or they have a parent that dies because of it.
That is tragic.
Adults who refuse the vaccine, catch Covid and die are as preventable as someone drinking a fifth of vodka, getting behind the wheel of their car and crashing into a tree. Stupidity isn't curable and seems to be spreading like a plague.
My partner is reluctant to get the vaccine. I’m hopeful she will, but would never dare pressurise her to do so. What would you call her?
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Date: June 13, 2021 18:53
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This says it all. Anyone who falls into this category has only themselves to blame. Fear of computer chips, magnetic crystals or any other hokey excuse doesn't fly. These people with the stupidity virus will end up catching Covid. They can only blame themselves although I am sure it will be someone else's fault in their mind.
If Jha is correct, Delta could soon lead to more COVID-19 illness and death in undervaccinated communities than in well-vaccinated communities. And while the numbers may not be as big as before, they will be all the more tragic because they could have been prevented.
I think you're wrong here daspy...when you say the deaths could have been prevented. I don't think they could have. Stupidity doesn't seem to be curably. Who I feel sorry for are the children that are affected by it, either directly meaning they catch it, or they have a parent that dies because of it.
That is tragic.
Adults who refuse the vaccine, catch Covid and die are as preventable as someone drinking a fifth of vodka, getting behind the wheel of their car and crashing into a tree. Stupidity isn't curable and seems to be spreading like a plague.
My partner is reluctant to get the vaccine. I’m hopeful she will, but would never dare pressurise her to do so. What would you call her?
This reeks of, “bet you won’t say it to my face.” Grow up guys.
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Date: June 13, 2021 19:13
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This says it all. Anyone who falls into this category has only themselves to blame. Fear of computer chips, magnetic crystals or any other hokey excuse doesn't fly. These people with the stupidity virus will end up catching Covid. They can only blame themselves although I am sure it will be someone else's fault in their mind.
If Jha is correct, Delta could soon lead to more COVID-19 illness and death in undervaccinated communities than in well-vaccinated communities. And while the numbers may not be as big as before, they will be all the more tragic because they could have been prevented.
I think you're wrong here daspy...when you say the deaths could have been prevented. I don't think they could have. Stupidity doesn't seem to be curably. Who I feel sorry for are the children that are affected by it, either directly meaning they catch it, or they have a parent that dies because of it.
That is tragic.
Adults who refuse the vaccine, catch Covid and die are as preventable as someone drinking a fifth of vodka, getting behind the wheel of their car and crashing into a tree. Stupidity isn't curable and seems to be spreading like a plague.
My partner is reluctant to get the vaccine. I’m hopeful she will, but would never dare pressurise her to do so. What would you call her?
This reeks of, “bet you won’t say it to my face.” Grow up guys.
I don’t disagree. I just tire of the vitriolic attacks. In my opinion, that vaccine is the only cure, yet I do not believe in belittling those who are reluctant. The constant barrage is unnecessary, unfair and unkind. People are reluctant for many reasons. Yes, some are stupid; others are genuine.
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Date: June 13, 2021 19:14
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This says it all. Anyone who falls into this category has only themselves to blame. Fear of computer chips, magnetic crystals or any other hokey excuse doesn't fly. These people with the stupidity virus will end up catching Covid. They can only blame themselves although I am sure it will be someone else's fault in their mind.
If Jha is correct, Delta could soon lead to more COVID-19 illness and death in undervaccinated communities than in well-vaccinated communities. And while the numbers may not be as big as before, they will be all the more tragic because they could have been prevented.
I worked for the Superintendent of a school district for many years. On rare occasions, a parent would refuse to vaccinate their child. The outcome was the child was not permitted to attend our school. In what world is it ok for a choice to be made that can potentially endanger others? The world of 2021 apparently.
I think you're wrong here daspy...when you say the deaths could have been prevented. I don't think they could have. Stupidity doesn't seem to be curably. Who I feel sorry for are the children that are affected by it, either directly meaning they catch it, or they have a parent that dies because of it.
That is tragic.
Adults who refuse the vaccine, catch Covid and die are as preventable as someone drinking a fifth of vodka, getting behind the wheel of their car and crashing into a tree. Stupidity isn't curable and seems to be spreading like a plague.
My partner is reluctant to get the vaccine. I’m hopeful she will, but would never dare pressurise her to do so. What would you call her?
This reeks of, “bet you won’t say it to my face.” Grow up guys.
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Date: June 13, 2021 20:00
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Does anyone know how JumpingKentFlash is doing?
Nobody with any information?
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Date: June 13, 2021 22:52
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This says it all. Anyone who falls into this category has only themselves to blame. Fear of computer chips, magnetic crystals or any other hokey excuse doesn't fly. These people with the stupidity virus will end up catching Covid. They can only blame themselves although I am sure it will be someone else's fault in their mind.
If Jha is correct, Delta could soon lead to more COVID-19 illness and death in undervaccinated communities than in well-vaccinated communities. And while the numbers may not be as big as before, they will be all the more tragic because they could have been prevented.
I think you're wrong here daspy...when you say the deaths could have been prevented. I don't think they could have. Stupidity doesn't seem to be curably. Who I feel sorry for are the children that are affected by it, either directly meaning they catch it, or they have a parent that dies because of it.
That is tragic.
Adults who refuse the vaccine, catch Covid and die are as preventable as someone drinking a fifth of vodka, getting behind the wheel of their car and crashing into a tree. Stupidity isn't curable and seems to be spreading like a plague.
My partner is reluctant to get the vaccine. I’m hopeful she will, but would never dare pressurise her to do so. What would you call her?
This reeks of, “bet you won’t say it to my face.” Grow up guys.
I don’t disagree. I just tire of the vitriolic attacks. In my opinion, that vaccine is the only cure, yet I do not believe in belittling those who are reluctant. The constant barrage is unnecessary, unfair and unkind. People are reluctant for many reasons. Yes, some are stupid; others are genuine.
I feel the same way, it sounds like the best cure. Are there side effects? Probably. Are some bad? Probably. But what are my odds they're worse than the virus? Probably not on a case by case basis. Though we know the virus has killed millions, and undoubtedly the vaccine has killed some undetermined amount. It's not a magic bullet for all that ails ya'. Only time will tell.
And look how things have changed over time, at one point those saying this started in a lab were loony conspiracy theorists, now it's starting to look like the most plausible theory.
And at another point Dr. Fauci was considered a god, now there's questions about his involvement in the CDC giving the NIH $$ to be granted through a 3rd party to the very lab where it's starting to look like this thing started. I'm not saying he's a villain, just connected in some unfortunate way.
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Date: June 14, 2021 01:34
THE AUSTRALIAN -- 14 June 2021
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Date: June 14, 2021 01:53
Here's the footage from the article Rockman posted. Follow the science indeed. But we're all supposed to rush a vaccine into our bodies when the actual source of the illness has been covered up. [www.youtube.com]
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Date: June 14, 2021 02:20
THE AGE -- 14 June 2021
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Date: June 14, 2021 02:57
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Here's the footage from the article Rockman posted. Follow the science indeed. But we're all supposed to rush a vaccine into our bodies when the actual source of the illness has been covered up. [www.youtube.com]
This vaccine technology has been under development for 20 years. Understand the science behind the vaccine. Millions have died from the virus, how many have died from the vaccine? How many lives have been saved from the vaccine?
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
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Date: June 14, 2021 04:14
England delaying reopening by a minimum of 4 weeks because of a rapid rise of cases of the Delta variant. I say England and not the whole U.K. because the other 3 U.K. nations set their own COVID rules. But they’re likely to follow suit.
[www.bbc.co.uk]
The problem is concentrated in particular areas - the county of Lancashire in the North West of England is worst hit and to a lesser degree Glasgow and around in Scotland.
It’s 4 weeks for now but could easily end up being more.
[www.bbc.co.uk]
The problem is concentrated in particular areas - the county of Lancashire in the North West of England is worst hit and to a lesser degree Glasgow and around in Scotland.
It’s 4 weeks for now but could easily end up being more.
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Date: June 14, 2021 04:21
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England delaying reopening by a minimum of 4 weeks because of a rapid rise of cases of the Delta variant. I say England and not the whole U.K. because the other 3 U.K. nations set their own COVID rules. But they’re likely to follow suit.
[www.bbc.co.uk]
The problem is concentrated in particular areas - the county of Lancashire in the North West of England is worst hit and to a lesser degree Glasgow and around in Scotland.
It’s 4 weeks for now but could easily end up being more.
This is not good. The US has lagged Europe and the UK by 4 to 6 weeks every wave of the pandemic. When the Delta variant lands in one of the 30% vaccination regions of the US it will spread fast.
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