Tell Me :
Talk
Turning to a channel who won't report these stories won't change the reality of inflation, a border crisis, our fuel pipeline being hacked, rising chaos in the middle east, and the fact that businesses are struggling to find enough people to take jobs due too much stimulus thrown their way to do nothing.
THE AGE ---- 16 May 2021
ROCKMAN
I thought everyone in Japan wore masks though.
I don't watch Fox News. In fact, I don't have a TV. Not all people form opinions based on what CNN or Fox spout. The world is a bit more nuanced.
+1
OK, then Facebook, Twitter etc. must be your sources.
Then how can you blame the bombing in Syria or rising gas prices because a private company was hacked and people bought gas like toilet paper even though areas were not impacted by the pipeline on Biden? Southern Florida having gas shortages and they get zero gas from the pipeline. No nuance there, just right wing talking points and misinformation. The southern border has lots of blame to go around going back 40 years.
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THE AGE --- 17 May 2021
ROCKMAN
If the Japanese government insists the Olympic Games should take place no matter what disaster may happen, we (my wife and me, both double vaccinated) should be given permission to visit 98 years old mother (in law) any time this year. But ... we all know that this is not going to happen. The stuborn Japanese elite (money control and other powers) has been responsible for the dreadful aftermath of the Fukushima nuclear disaster of which lots of known facts have been wiped under the carpet and they don't care a bit about the Japanese ordinary people. Fear and discust are widely spread among the Japanese of which more than 80% are against having the Olympic Games. Thanks to the open Internet and other media freedom, the elite can't block the people from getting the important info, but some national newspapers (like Yomiuri shimbun, among others) as well as national TV (like NHK) feed their readers and viewers (many elderly not having access to Internet) with cleverly filtered information as to keep them unaware of important facts. The whole Nissan/Ghosn case (we were in Japan at the time) was a clear example of that. Ghosn was the only "criminal" for months until they couldn't hide misbehaviour of several Japanese top managers.
Hopefully the Japanese people will not have to pay the Covid-19 spreading price for what the "power and money" elite are doing by allowing the Olympics to take place.
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
I'm totally ignorant about the World Health Organization (WHO), but is Japan a member, and what could be the possible punitive fallout from the WHO for Japan having the Olympics?
Japan is a member of the WHO. It's power is limited. I think it's merely an advicery body. Trump's America wasn't happy with the WHO, so they left as a member (read: didn't give any money anymore to the WHO). Currently it looks like China has the biggest influence (read: gives a lot of money). Japan can do whatever it likes. Even within the EU each country makes its own "corona rules". Off course there will be talks behind close doors, but well ...
Countries generally follow the general advice of the WHO, but each country interprets it based on their local situation (health, economy, politics, etc.).
For Japan pride an not losing face are the most important factors, not the safety and health of its people (off course in public they that they do, but well ...)
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
this is my new favorite post.
I agree 100%....I'm done trying to convince people or caring very much. Do your thing, people.
I think there is room to talk to the "vaccine hesitant" but the moment they dip into the "anti-vax" circle, I'm done.
Go DDDD!
Looks like a choice issue, not an availability issue.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
MisterDDDD
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Date: May 15, 2021 21:14
Everyone that has taken masking/distancing/vaccinating seriously from the jump will continue to be respectful of the virus and of others concerns as we transition out of this.
And we'll continue to be responsible around young children, and those with compromised immune systems as well.
But, as the new guidance suggests, we are done letting the anti-maskers. anti-vaxers, anti-lockdowns, covidiots, continue to negatvely impact the rest of us.
Don't want to get the vaccine?
Fine- frankly don't give a sht. Get the virus or shoot disinfectant in your arm.
Don't care.
Vaccinated people are now safe from serious illness and death, and very unlikely to transmit the virus.
We are done with this. Get vaxxed, have a donut and a beer. Or don't. Your choice.
And we'll continue to be responsible around young children, and those with compromised immune systems as well.
But, as the new guidance suggests, we are done letting the anti-maskers. anti-vaxers, anti-lockdowns, covidiots, continue to negatvely impact the rest of us.
Don't want to get the vaccine?
Fine- frankly don't give a sht. Get the virus or shoot disinfectant in your arm.
Don't care.
Vaccinated people are now safe from serious illness and death, and very unlikely to transmit the virus.
We are done with this. Get vaxxed, have a donut and a beer. Or don't. Your choice.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
SonofHarlemShuffler
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Date: May 15, 2021 21:38
A message for JumpingKentFlash: how are you? I hope you’re feeling better.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
skytrench
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Date: May 16, 2021 00:06
Hard not to get carried away by emotions after living through life changing restrictions and countless deaths. Judgement of others should be left out of this.
I am very pleased that RNA based vaccines are now available to protect the vulnerable and allow society to slowly resume a normal rhythm.
As for mass vaccinating kids, maybe several times a year, although tempting, I would be cautious, as there are no long term studies as to their effect on the children's development, and the under 20's are not threatened by this virus unless they have some underlining health issues.
Personally, I caught the damn thing twice, first time was worst, awful cough, struggling to spit out the mucus, lost taste and smell for months and still have some memory issues, though I might just be getting senile...
I am very pleased that RNA based vaccines are now available to protect the vulnerable and allow society to slowly resume a normal rhythm.
As for mass vaccinating kids, maybe several times a year, although tempting, I would be cautious, as there are no long term studies as to their effect on the children's development, and the under 20's are not threatened by this virus unless they have some underlining health issues.
Personally, I caught the damn thing twice, first time was worst, awful cough, struggling to spit out the mucus, lost taste and smell for months and still have some memory issues, though I might just be getting senile...
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: May 16, 2021 00:54
Japan only has about 1% of their entire population fully vaccinated, and only apprx. 3% having at least one dose so far.
And they plan on hosting the Summer Olympics? Still two months away, but could be a disaster in the making.
Via CBS News: Corona-Olympics
Tokyo Olympics 2021: Japanese government expands COVID state of emergency ahead of upcoming Summer Games
State of emergency expanded from six areas to nine, including Hokkaido.
While the United States begins to relax its mandates and laws pertaining to COVID-19, other nations around the world are yet in a position to do so. In Japan, for instance, COVID is still wreaking havoc on life and liberty alike -- a major problem as the nation gets set to host the Summer Olympic games. According to a report by Mari Yamaguchi of the Associated Press, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga expanded a COVID-19 state of emergency from six areas in the country to nine. In addition to the three existing areas, which include Tokyo, a state of emergency has now been declared in Hokkaido, Hiroshima, and Okayama. The state of emergency is a major issue for the Tokyo Olympics, which will be held this summer after being postponed from 2020. Speaking to the press, Suga affirmed his commitment to holding the games while also protecting the Japanese by strictly controlling the movement of foreign participants. "Infections are escalating extremely rapidly in populated areas," Suga said. "As new variants continue to spread, we judged that now is a very important time to stop the further spread of infections."
While a possible further extension of the state of emergency will be decided on after an evaluation of the situation in late May, the Japanese government has become increasingly frustrated with repeated emergency declarations and a slow vaccine rollout. While the Japanese public has become less cooperative with COVID regulations in daily life, there has also been significant opposition to hosting the Olympics altogether. As shared by a report by Kyodo News, a petition calling for the cancellation of the Tokyo Olympics has gathered over 350,000 signatures, with such efforts being organized by Kenji Utsunomiya, a prominent lawyer who served as the former head of the Japan Federation of Bar Associations. "Holding the Olympics should be welcomed by everyone, but that is not possible under the current situation. So the Olympics must be canceled," Utsunomiya said. While a cancellation of the Olympics is unlikely given the amount of money involved, the COVID-19 pandemic continues to complicate Japan's serving as host nation. On Friday, Olympic minister Tamayo Marukawa shared that 45 municipalities across the country have abandoned plans to host athletes for pre-Olympic training camps and cultural exchanges.
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
And they plan on hosting the Summer Olympics? Still two months away, but could be a disaster in the making.
Via CBS News: Corona-Olympics
Tokyo Olympics 2021: Japanese government expands COVID state of emergency ahead of upcoming Summer Games
State of emergency expanded from six areas to nine, including Hokkaido.
While the United States begins to relax its mandates and laws pertaining to COVID-19, other nations around the world are yet in a position to do so. In Japan, for instance, COVID is still wreaking havoc on life and liberty alike -- a major problem as the nation gets set to host the Summer Olympic games. According to a report by Mari Yamaguchi of the Associated Press, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga expanded a COVID-19 state of emergency from six areas in the country to nine. In addition to the three existing areas, which include Tokyo, a state of emergency has now been declared in Hokkaido, Hiroshima, and Okayama. The state of emergency is a major issue for the Tokyo Olympics, which will be held this summer after being postponed from 2020. Speaking to the press, Suga affirmed his commitment to holding the games while also protecting the Japanese by strictly controlling the movement of foreign participants. "Infections are escalating extremely rapidly in populated areas," Suga said. "As new variants continue to spread, we judged that now is a very important time to stop the further spread of infections."
While a possible further extension of the state of emergency will be decided on after an evaluation of the situation in late May, the Japanese government has become increasingly frustrated with repeated emergency declarations and a slow vaccine rollout. While the Japanese public has become less cooperative with COVID regulations in daily life, there has also been significant opposition to hosting the Olympics altogether. As shared by a report by Kyodo News, a petition calling for the cancellation of the Tokyo Olympics has gathered over 350,000 signatures, with such efforts being organized by Kenji Utsunomiya, a prominent lawyer who served as the former head of the Japan Federation of Bar Associations. "Holding the Olympics should be welcomed by everyone, but that is not possible under the current situation. So the Olympics must be canceled," Utsunomiya said. While a cancellation of the Olympics is unlikely given the amount of money involved, the COVID-19 pandemic continues to complicate Japan's serving as host nation. On Friday, Olympic minister Tamayo Marukawa shared that 45 municipalities across the country have abandoned plans to host athletes for pre-Olympic training camps and cultural exchanges.
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
kovach
()
Date: May 16, 2021 01:06
Quote
daspyknowsQuote
terraplane
No. More like the U.S. southern border, gas prices, bombing Syria as examples
Turn off Fox News.
Turning to a channel who won't report these stories won't change the reality of inflation, a border crisis, our fuel pipeline being hacked, rising chaos in the middle east, and the fact that businesses are struggling to find enough people to take jobs due too much stimulus thrown their way to do nothing.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: May 16, 2021 01:23
The United Food and Commercial Workers Union (UFCW) raised legitimate concerns regarding the rush to ease mask requirements when the percentage of those fully vaccinated in the US is still quite low at only apprx. 36%.
More chaos and confusion to follow...................
UFCW: CDC Mask Policy for Vaccinated Must Recognize Challenges Essential Retail and Grocery Workers Still Face
America’s Largest Union for Frontline Retail and Grocery Workers Highlights Need for CDC to Address COVID Safety Enforcement for Unvaccinated
"...today’s CDC guidance is confusing and fails to consider how it will impact essential workers
who face frequent exposure to individuals who are not vaccinated and refuse to wear masks".
UFCW
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today, the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW), which represents 1.3 million essential food and retail workers, raised concerns about the new CDC guidance that fully vaccinated people no longer need to wear masks indoors. As the nation’s leading voice for retail and grocery worker safety, UFCW was one of the first to call for mask mandates to combat COVID-19 and has continued to highlight the ongoing health threat faced by the many essential workers still on the frontlines.
UFCW International President Marc Perrone released the following statement:
“While we all share the desire to return to a mask-free normal, today’s CDC guidance is confusing and fails to consider how it will impact essential workers who face frequent exposure to individuals who are not vaccinated and refuse to wear masks. Millions of Americans are doing the right thing and getting vaccinated, but essential workers are still forced to play mask police for shoppers who are unvaccinated and refuse to follow local COVID safety measures. Are they now supposed to become the vaccination police? With so many states already ending their mask mandates, this new CDC guidance must do more to acknowledge the real and daily challenge these workers and the American people still face. Vaccinations are helping us take control of this pandemic, but we must not let our guard down. As one of America’s largest unions for essential workers, UFCW is calling on the CDC and our nation’s leaders to clarify how this new policy will be implemented, how essential workers will be protected, and how these workers will protect the communities they serve.”
BACKGROUND:
UFCW has been a leading national voice for frontline workers and was one of the first groups to call on elected and business leaders to enact strong COVID safety measures like mask mandates when the pandemic first began.
COVID NUMBERS: UFCW recently confirmed that COVID-19 continues to threaten essential food workers nationwide.
Since March 1, UFCW reports a nearly 35 percent increase in grocery worker deaths and a nearly 30 percent increase in grocery workers infected or exposed following supermarket outbreaks at Whole Foods, Costco, Trader Joe’s and other chains across the country. According to new UFCW estimates, among the union’s members nationwide, there have already been at least:
462 frontline worker deaths and at least 93,300 frontline workers infected or exposed
184 grocery worker deaths and at least 41,700 grocery workers infected or exposed
132 meatpacking worker deaths and 22,290 meatpacking workers infected or exposed
UFCW International is the largest private sector union in the United States. UFCW International represents 1.3 million professionals and their families in healthcare,
grocery stores, meatpacking, food processing, retail shops and other industries. Our members serve our communities in all 50 states, Canada and Puerto Rico.
Learn more about the UFCW at?ufcw.org.
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
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More chaos and confusion to follow...................
UFCW: CDC Mask Policy for Vaccinated Must Recognize Challenges Essential Retail and Grocery Workers Still Face
America’s Largest Union for Frontline Retail and Grocery Workers Highlights Need for CDC to Address COVID Safety Enforcement for Unvaccinated
"...today’s CDC guidance is confusing and fails to consider how it will impact essential workers
who face frequent exposure to individuals who are not vaccinated and refuse to wear masks".
UFCW
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today, the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW), which represents 1.3 million essential food and retail workers, raised concerns about the new CDC guidance that fully vaccinated people no longer need to wear masks indoors. As the nation’s leading voice for retail and grocery worker safety, UFCW was one of the first to call for mask mandates to combat COVID-19 and has continued to highlight the ongoing health threat faced by the many essential workers still on the frontlines.
UFCW International President Marc Perrone released the following statement:
“While we all share the desire to return to a mask-free normal, today’s CDC guidance is confusing and fails to consider how it will impact essential workers who face frequent exposure to individuals who are not vaccinated and refuse to wear masks. Millions of Americans are doing the right thing and getting vaccinated, but essential workers are still forced to play mask police for shoppers who are unvaccinated and refuse to follow local COVID safety measures. Are they now supposed to become the vaccination police? With so many states already ending their mask mandates, this new CDC guidance must do more to acknowledge the real and daily challenge these workers and the American people still face. Vaccinations are helping us take control of this pandemic, but we must not let our guard down. As one of America’s largest unions for essential workers, UFCW is calling on the CDC and our nation’s leaders to clarify how this new policy will be implemented, how essential workers will be protected, and how these workers will protect the communities they serve.”
BACKGROUND:
UFCW has been a leading national voice for frontline workers and was one of the first groups to call on elected and business leaders to enact strong COVID safety measures like mask mandates when the pandemic first began.
COVID NUMBERS: UFCW recently confirmed that COVID-19 continues to threaten essential food workers nationwide.
Since March 1, UFCW reports a nearly 35 percent increase in grocery worker deaths and a nearly 30 percent increase in grocery workers infected or exposed following supermarket outbreaks at Whole Foods, Costco, Trader Joe’s and other chains across the country. According to new UFCW estimates, among the union’s members nationwide, there have already been at least:
462 frontline worker deaths and at least 93,300 frontline workers infected or exposed
184 grocery worker deaths and at least 41,700 grocery workers infected or exposed
132 meatpacking worker deaths and 22,290 meatpacking workers infected or exposed
UFCW International is the largest private sector union in the United States. UFCW International represents 1.3 million professionals and their families in healthcare,
grocery stores, meatpacking, food processing, retail shops and other industries. Our members serve our communities in all 50 states, Canada and Puerto Rico.
Learn more about the UFCW at?ufcw.org.
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: May 16, 2021 01:26
THE AGE ---- 16 May 2021
ROCKMAN
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
bleedingman
()
Date: May 16, 2021 02:05
Quote
Hairball
Japan only has about 1% of their entire population fully vaccinated, and only apprx. 3% having at least one dose so far.
And they plan on hosting the Summer Olympics? Still two months away, but could be a disaster in the making.
Via CBS News: Corona-Olympics
Tokyo Olympics 2021: Japanese government expands COVID state of emergency ahead of upcoming Summer Games
State of emergency expanded from six areas to nine, including Hokkaido.
While the United States begins to relax its mandates and laws pertaining to COVID-19, other nations around the world are yet in a position to do so. In Japan, for instance, COVID is still wreaking havoc on life and liberty alike -- a major problem as the nation gets set to host the Summer Olympic games. According to a report by Mari Yamaguchi of the Associated Press, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga expanded a COVID-19 state of emergency from six areas in the country to nine. In addition to the three existing areas, which include Tokyo, a state of emergency has now been declared in Hokkaido, Hiroshima, and Okayama. The state of emergency is a major issue for the Tokyo Olympics, which will be held this summer after being postponed from 2020. Speaking to the press, Suga affirmed his commitment to holding the games while also protecting the Japanese by strictly controlling the movement of foreign participants. "Infections are escalating extremely rapidly in populated areas," Suga said. "As new variants continue to spread, we judged that now is a very important time to stop the further spread of infections."
While a possible further extension of the state of emergency will be decided on after an evaluation of the situation in late May, the Japanese government has become increasingly frustrated with repeated emergency declarations and a slow vaccine rollout. While the Japanese public has become less cooperative with COVID regulations in daily life, there has also been significant opposition to hosting the Olympics altogether. As shared by a report by Kyodo News, a petition calling for the cancellation of the Tokyo Olympics has gathered over 350,000 signatures, with such efforts being organized by Kenji Utsunomiya, a prominent lawyer who served as the former head of the Japan Federation of Bar Associations. "Holding the Olympics should be welcomed by everyone, but that is not possible under the current situation. So the Olympics must be canceled," Utsunomiya said. While a cancellation of the Olympics is unlikely given the amount of money involved, the COVID-19 pandemic continues to complicate Japan's serving as host nation. On Friday, Olympic minister Tamayo Marukawa shared that 45 municipalities across the country have abandoned plans to host athletes for pre-Olympic training camps and cultural exchanges.
I thought everyone in Japan wore masks though.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
bleedingman
()
Date: May 16, 2021 02:10
CDC & FDA: 40-50% Of Our Employees Are Not Vaccinated
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
terraplane
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Date: May 16, 2021 02:41
Quote
daspyknowsQuote
terraplane
No. More like the U.S. southern border, gas prices, bombing Syria as examples
Turn off Fox News.
I don't watch Fox News. In fact, I don't have a TV. Not all people form opinions based on what CNN or Fox spout. The world is a bit more nuanced.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: May 16, 2021 03:19
Notice the pauses and the stuttering...
If the CDC & FDA were so confident in what they're pushing, wouldn't ALL of the employees be vaccinated?
And with the hesitation and uncertainty displayed at such a simple question, it's no mystery why there are so many people who are hesitant and uncertain!
I've had the vaccine, but they need much better leadership and communicators if they want to reach more people.
And if herd immunity is the ultimate goal, with these "trustworthy" folks leading by example there's probably no chance we'll ever get there.
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Quote
bleedingman
CDC & FDA: 40-50% Of Our Employees Are Not Vaccinated
If the CDC & FDA were so confident in what they're pushing, wouldn't ALL of the employees be vaccinated?
And with the hesitation and uncertainty displayed at such a simple question, it's no mystery why there are so many people who are hesitant and uncertain!
I've had the vaccine, but they need much better leadership and communicators if they want to reach more people.
And if herd immunity is the ultimate goal, with these "trustworthy" folks leading by example there's probably no chance we'll ever get there.
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
bv
()
Date: May 16, 2021 11:13
Please do not run endless bar fight style arguments with quote of quote of quote and so on here. It is just a waste of space. Just leave it with the fact that people do have different opinions.
Do not be surprised if posts with nested quotes get deleted. Max 1-2 quotes would be the norm, after that it is just like a bar fight, too many drinks.
Bjornulf
Do not be surprised if posts with nested quotes get deleted. Max 1-2 quotes would be the norm, after that it is just like a bar fight, too many drinks.
Bjornulf
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
crholmstrom
()
Date: May 16, 2021 11:28
Quote
SonofHarlemShuffler
A message for JumpingKentFlash: how are you? I hope you’re feeling better.
+1
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
NashvilleBlues
()
Date: May 16, 2021 15:49
Quote
bv
Please do not run endless bar fight style arguments with quote of quote of quote and so on here. It is just a waste of space. Just leave it with the fact that people do have different opinions.
Do not be surprised if posts with nested quotes get deleted. Max 1-2 quotes would be the norm, after that it is just like a bar fight, too many drinks.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
daspyknows
()
Date: May 16, 2021 18:39
Quote
terraplane
I don't watch Fox News. In fact, I don't have a TV. Not all people form opinions based on what CNN or Fox spout. The world is a bit more nuanced.
OK, then Facebook, Twitter etc. must be your sources.
Then how can you blame the bombing in Syria or rising gas prices because a private company was hacked and people bought gas like toilet paper even though areas were not impacted by the pipeline on Biden? Southern Florida having gas shortages and they get zero gas from the pipeline. No nuance there, just right wing talking points and misinformation. The southern border has lots of blame to go around going back 40 years.
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
jbwelda
()
Date: May 16, 2021 19:23
I don't understand why people don't just mind their own business re: masks. If someone feels more comfortable not wearing one or wearing one, let them. Get vaccinated and you don't have to worry about it. Second guessing people who really know (scientists, people with MD education) is counterproductive and foolish. "Opinions" do not matter when confronted with actual facts. And when your stubborn attitude causes you to come down with the plague, don't say you were not warned and most of all, don't burden the medical system with your problem, go home and die. Hey it was all a hoax anyway.
So tired of the armchair experts and their stupid comments and potshots.
jb
So tired of the armchair experts and their stupid comments and potshots.
jb
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
daspyknows
()
Date: May 16, 2021 22:11
^
Add to it, if private businesses insist on masks or vaccinations, they are in their right. If they choose to say it is not required then the person can choose whether to go/give them business.
Add to it, if private businesses insist on masks or vaccinations, they are in their right. If they choose to say it is not required then the person can choose whether to go/give them business.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: May 17, 2021 00:38
From CNN's chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta:
Dr. Sanjay Gupta says the CDC mishandled announcement of new mask guidelines
TheMask
New York (CNN)- Last week, the Centers for Disease Control advised that fully vaccinated people can be indoors and outdoors without wearing masks except when in health care settings, on public transportation, or in specified areas where masks are required. When CNN's chief media correspondent Brian Stelter asked about the press' role in covering the return to normal, CNN's chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, said, "We can report what the news is, but then we have to explain the relevance of it." Gupta said the CDC "made a critical error here in surprising basically everyone with a very significant change." He added that just days before the announcement was made, he spoke to senior leaders at the CDC who told him indoor masking would probably be the last thing to be lifted because "it is so effective and it's not that hard to do in most situations — just to put a mask on." Another point of concern is the lack of guidance on how best to implement these new guidelines, and if the loosened restrictions could potentially increase the risk of infection for those who cannot yet get vaccinated and the immuno-compromised.
The announcement created a domino effect in the business world, prompting companies to announce that they would lift mask mandates for vaccinated customers in most cases. Walmart, Trader Joe's and Costco, for instance, are no longer requiring vaccinated customers to wear masks in stores. But Walmart did send out a letter Friday noting, "masks will also continue to be required by some city and state ordinances, and we will follow those requirements." Following sweeping changes to mask and social distancing guidance for fully vaccinated people, CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said on CNN's State of the Union Sunday that the agency is asking businesses to help workers get vaccinated. "What we're saying to those essential workers is that if those workers are vaccinated, they are safe," she said. "We are really asking the businesses to work with their workers to make sure that they have the paid time off to get themselves vaccinated so they can be safe."
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Dr. Sanjay Gupta says the CDC mishandled announcement of new mask guidelines
TheMask
New York (CNN)- Last week, the Centers for Disease Control advised that fully vaccinated people can be indoors and outdoors without wearing masks except when in health care settings, on public transportation, or in specified areas where masks are required. When CNN's chief media correspondent Brian Stelter asked about the press' role in covering the return to normal, CNN's chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, said, "We can report what the news is, but then we have to explain the relevance of it." Gupta said the CDC "made a critical error here in surprising basically everyone with a very significant change." He added that just days before the announcement was made, he spoke to senior leaders at the CDC who told him indoor masking would probably be the last thing to be lifted because "it is so effective and it's not that hard to do in most situations — just to put a mask on." Another point of concern is the lack of guidance on how best to implement these new guidelines, and if the loosened restrictions could potentially increase the risk of infection for those who cannot yet get vaccinated and the immuno-compromised.
The announcement created a domino effect in the business world, prompting companies to announce that they would lift mask mandates for vaccinated customers in most cases. Walmart, Trader Joe's and Costco, for instance, are no longer requiring vaccinated customers to wear masks in stores. But Walmart did send out a letter Friday noting, "masks will also continue to be required by some city and state ordinances, and we will follow those requirements." Following sweeping changes to mask and social distancing guidance for fully vaccinated people, CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said on CNN's State of the Union Sunday that the agency is asking businesses to help workers get vaccinated. "What we're saying to those essential workers is that if those workers are vaccinated, they are safe," she said. "We are really asking the businesses to work with their workers to make sure that they have the paid time off to get themselves vaccinated so they can be safe."
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: May 17, 2021 01:01
THE AGE --- 17 May 2021
ROCKMAN
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: May 17, 2021 02:41
Quote
jbwelda
I don't understand why people don't just mind their own business re: masks. If someone feels more comfortable not wearing one or wearing one, let them. Get vaccinated and you don't have to worry about it. Second guessing people who really know (scientists, people with MD education) is counterproductive and foolish. "Opinions" do not matter when confronted with actual facts. And when your stubborn attitude causes you to come down with the plague, don't say you were not warned and most of all, don't burden the medical system with your problem, go home and die. Hey it was all a hoax anyway.
So tired of the armchair experts and their stupid comments and potshots.
jb
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: May 17, 2021 03:52
From CNN:
Mask policies across the US are rapidly changing. Here's what worries experts about that
"Now, we're asked to trust other adults in a situation where there's every reason not to trust a lot of people right now
because there's so much denialism out there. There's so many people who don't wear masks, who don't get vaccinated" - Dr. Paul Offit
Masks
In the past week, America took two big steps closer to a semblance of the normalcy we've longed for.
On Monday, the Food and Drug Administration expanded its emergency use authorization for Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine to include people 12 to 15 years old. And on Thursday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced fully vaccinated Americans do not need to wear masks or socially distance indoors or outdoors, with some exceptions. It didn't take long for the CDC guidance to trigger changes across the country. State leaders across the US announced they were dropping mask requirements for fully vaccinated residents. Retailers and other businesses -- including Trader Joe's, Walmart, Starbucks and Publix -- also announced changes to their masking policies. But the country may be moving too quickly and not focusing enough on the key part of CDC's guidelines, one expert told CNN on Saturday. "We should be emphasizing 'fully vaccinated' in the context of mask guideline changes and not just taking your mask off, because it's causing businesses -- schools even -- to start to change their policy a bit prematurely and without the full picture of the guidelines," infectious disease expert Jessica Malaty Rivera said. And the quick changes have left some parts of the country now relying on an honor system, other experts say. "The CDC went from 0 to 100 overnight," emergency physician and CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen told CNN Saturday. While Wen agrees with the approach of letting fully vaccinated Americans return to normal, she said there should be some kind of verification process in place for that to work. "The CDC is relying on the honor code, and we're seeing that the honor code is already not working," Wen said. "There are already many states and businesses that are essentially just taking their guidance and saying 'that means that mask mandates and distancing all needs to end.'" And what that means: "We've just made life so much less safe for those who are not vaccinated and for those who are immuno-compromised and may not get the full benefit of the vaccines," Wen said. The CDC defines people who are fully vaccinated as those who are two weeks past their second dose of the Moderna or Pfizer Covid-19 vaccines or two weeks past the Johnson & Johnson single shot.
'We're asked to trust other adults'
Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNN last month he estimates about 70-85% of people need to be immune to the virus for the country to reach a "total blanket of protection." So far, a little more than 47% of the US population has received at least one Covid-19 vaccine dose, according to CDC data. Roughly 36.7% of the country is fully vaccinated.With such a big part of the country still unvaccinated, one expert said he wished the guidance was the first of what could have been a two-part system to help Americans shed their masks. "If I'm indoors and I'm around people who are vaccinated, I feel comfortable not wearing a mask, but if I'm indoors and there are 50 people in that, let's say in the grocery store, and I see 25 people who aren't masked, I have to assume that they're vaccinated and I think that's a big assumption," said Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Instead, Offit also said he had hoped officials would have provided a way to verify that Americans who want to go maskless indoors have been vaccinated. "That didn't happen," he said. "Now, we're asked to trust other adults in a situation where there's every reason not to trust a lot of people right now because there's so much denialism out there. There's so many people who don't wear masks, who don't get vaccinated." But some of the people who have yet to get a shot haven't gotten one because of problems with access -- and businesses should take that into consideration before lifting mask requirements, emergency physician Dr. Megan Ranney said. "I would urge businesses to keep those mask mandates in place as long as possible in their businesses to protect their workers," she said. "It's particularly an equity issue. We know that Black and Brown folks across the United States who are most often our frontline employees with public facing jobs, are also those who have had the hardest time accessing the vaccines."
Where mask policies aren't changing.
Despite the sweeping changes, the requirement to wear masks during travel -- on buses, trains, planes and public transportation -- still stands, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said last week. And the transportation industry says it will continue to strictly enforce mask use. "There's a mask order in place and it will be enforced, period," Association of Flight Attendants President Sara Nelson told CNN. The Transportation Security Administration said last week the federal transportation mask mandate will remain in place through September 13 on commercial flights, trains, buses, boats and in terminals. The CDC also said Saturday that schools should continue masking and using other coronavirus prevention strategies for at least the rest of this school year. Those strategies will be needed because students -- the ones who are authorized to receive a shot -- won't be fully vaccinated by the end of the academic year, the CDC said. Because people are not fully vaccinated until 2 weeks after their second dose of the Pfizer vaccine, students in this age group will not be fully vaccinated before the end of current school year," the agency said. Children under the age of 12 are not yet eligible to receive a Covid-19 vaccine in the US. Walensky, the CDC chief, told ABC on Friday children and educators should expect a return to in-person, full-time school by the fall. "We have the capacity now, between vaccines and testing, screening, we believe schools can and should be a very safe place for people to go back to in the fall."
She added that the agency still needs more data in order to make recommendations on Covid-19 vaccination requirements for returning to school.
CNN's Lauren Mascarenhas, Virginia Langmaid and Pete Muntean contributed to this report.
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Mask policies across the US are rapidly changing. Here's what worries experts about that
"Now, we're asked to trust other adults in a situation where there's every reason not to trust a lot of people right now
because there's so much denialism out there. There's so many people who don't wear masks, who don't get vaccinated" - Dr. Paul Offit
Masks
In the past week, America took two big steps closer to a semblance of the normalcy we've longed for.
On Monday, the Food and Drug Administration expanded its emergency use authorization for Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine to include people 12 to 15 years old. And on Thursday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced fully vaccinated Americans do not need to wear masks or socially distance indoors or outdoors, with some exceptions. It didn't take long for the CDC guidance to trigger changes across the country. State leaders across the US announced they were dropping mask requirements for fully vaccinated residents. Retailers and other businesses -- including Trader Joe's, Walmart, Starbucks and Publix -- also announced changes to their masking policies. But the country may be moving too quickly and not focusing enough on the key part of CDC's guidelines, one expert told CNN on Saturday. "We should be emphasizing 'fully vaccinated' in the context of mask guideline changes and not just taking your mask off, because it's causing businesses -- schools even -- to start to change their policy a bit prematurely and without the full picture of the guidelines," infectious disease expert Jessica Malaty Rivera said. And the quick changes have left some parts of the country now relying on an honor system, other experts say. "The CDC went from 0 to 100 overnight," emergency physician and CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen told CNN Saturday. While Wen agrees with the approach of letting fully vaccinated Americans return to normal, she said there should be some kind of verification process in place for that to work. "The CDC is relying on the honor code, and we're seeing that the honor code is already not working," Wen said. "There are already many states and businesses that are essentially just taking their guidance and saying 'that means that mask mandates and distancing all needs to end.'" And what that means: "We've just made life so much less safe for those who are not vaccinated and for those who are immuno-compromised and may not get the full benefit of the vaccines," Wen said. The CDC defines people who are fully vaccinated as those who are two weeks past their second dose of the Moderna or Pfizer Covid-19 vaccines or two weeks past the Johnson & Johnson single shot.
'We're asked to trust other adults'
Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNN last month he estimates about 70-85% of people need to be immune to the virus for the country to reach a "total blanket of protection." So far, a little more than 47% of the US population has received at least one Covid-19 vaccine dose, according to CDC data. Roughly 36.7% of the country is fully vaccinated.With such a big part of the country still unvaccinated, one expert said he wished the guidance was the first of what could have been a two-part system to help Americans shed their masks. "If I'm indoors and I'm around people who are vaccinated, I feel comfortable not wearing a mask, but if I'm indoors and there are 50 people in that, let's say in the grocery store, and I see 25 people who aren't masked, I have to assume that they're vaccinated and I think that's a big assumption," said Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Instead, Offit also said he had hoped officials would have provided a way to verify that Americans who want to go maskless indoors have been vaccinated. "That didn't happen," he said. "Now, we're asked to trust other adults in a situation where there's every reason not to trust a lot of people right now because there's so much denialism out there. There's so many people who don't wear masks, who don't get vaccinated." But some of the people who have yet to get a shot haven't gotten one because of problems with access -- and businesses should take that into consideration before lifting mask requirements, emergency physician Dr. Megan Ranney said. "I would urge businesses to keep those mask mandates in place as long as possible in their businesses to protect their workers," she said. "It's particularly an equity issue. We know that Black and Brown folks across the United States who are most often our frontline employees with public facing jobs, are also those who have had the hardest time accessing the vaccines."
Where mask policies aren't changing.
Despite the sweeping changes, the requirement to wear masks during travel -- on buses, trains, planes and public transportation -- still stands, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said last week. And the transportation industry says it will continue to strictly enforce mask use. "There's a mask order in place and it will be enforced, period," Association of Flight Attendants President Sara Nelson told CNN. The Transportation Security Administration said last week the federal transportation mask mandate will remain in place through September 13 on commercial flights, trains, buses, boats and in terminals. The CDC also said Saturday that schools should continue masking and using other coronavirus prevention strategies for at least the rest of this school year. Those strategies will be needed because students -- the ones who are authorized to receive a shot -- won't be fully vaccinated by the end of the academic year, the CDC said. Because people are not fully vaccinated until 2 weeks after their second dose of the Pfizer vaccine, students in this age group will not be fully vaccinated before the end of current school year," the agency said. Children under the age of 12 are not yet eligible to receive a Covid-19 vaccine in the US. Walensky, the CDC chief, told ABC on Friday children and educators should expect a return to in-person, full-time school by the fall. "We have the capacity now, between vaccines and testing, screening, we believe schools can and should be a very safe place for people to go back to in the fall."
She added that the agency still needs more data in order to make recommendations on Covid-19 vaccination requirements for returning to school.
CNN's Lauren Mascarenhas, Virginia Langmaid and Pete Muntean contributed to this report.
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
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Date: May 17, 2021 17:36
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Hairball
Japan only has about 1% of their entire population fully vaccinated, and only apprx. 3% having at least one dose so far.
And they plan on hosting the Summer Olympics? Still two months away, but could be a disaster in the making.
Via CBS News: Corona-Olympics
Tokyo Olympics 2021: Japanese government expands COVID state of emergency ahead of upcoming Summer Games
State of emergency expanded from six areas to nine, including Hokkaido.
While the United States begins to relax its mandates and laws pertaining to COVID-19, other nations around the world are yet in a position to do so. In Japan, for instance, COVID is still wreaking havoc on life and liberty alike -- a major problem as the nation gets set to host the Summer Olympic games. According to a report by Mari Yamaguchi of the Associated Press, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga expanded a COVID-19 state of emergency from six areas in the country to nine. In addition to the three existing areas, which include Tokyo, a state of emergency has now been declared in Hokkaido, Hiroshima, and Okayama. The state of emergency is a major issue for the Tokyo Olympics, which will be held this summer after being postponied from 2020. Speaking to the press, Suga affirmed his commitment to holding the games while also protecting the Japanese by strictly controlling the movement of foreign participants. "Infections are escalating extremely rapidly in populated areas," Suga said. "As new variants continue to spread, we judged that now is a very important time to stop the further spread of infections."
While a possible further extension of the state of emergency will be decided on after an evaluation of the situation in late May, the Japanese government has become increasingly frustrated with repeated emergency declarations and a slow vaccine rollout. While the Japanese public has become less cooperative with COVID regulations in daily life, there has also been significant opposition to hosting the Olympics altogether. As shared by a report by Kyodo News, a petition calling for the cancellation of the Tokyo Olympics has gathered over 350,000 signatures, with such efforts being organized by Kenji Utsunomiya, a prominent lawyer who served as the former head of the Japan Federation of Bar Associations. "Holding the Olympics should be welcomed by everyone, but that is not possible under the current situation. So the Olympics must be canceled," Utsunomiya said. While a cancellation of the Olympics is unlikely given the amount of money involved, the COVID-19 pandemic continues to complicate Japan's serving as host nation. On Friday, Olympic minister Tamayo Marukawa shared that 45 municipalities across the country have abandoned plans to host athletes for pre-Olympic training camps and cultural exchanges.
If the Japanese government insists the Olympic Games should take place no matter what disaster may happen, we (my wife and me, both double vaccinated) should be given permission to visit 98 years old mother (in law) any time this year. But ... we all know that this is not going to happen. The stuborn Japanese elite (money control and other powers) has been responsible for the dreadful aftermath of the Fukushima nuclear disaster of which lots of known facts have been wiped under the carpet and they don't care a bit about the Japanese ordinary people. Fear and discust are widely spread among the Japanese of which more than 80% are against having the Olympic Games. Thanks to the open Internet and other media freedom, the elite can't block the people from getting the important info, but some national newspapers (like Yomiuri shimbun, among others) as well as national TV (like NHK) feed their readers and viewers (many elderly not having access to Internet) with cleverly filtered information as to keep them unaware of important facts. The whole Nissan/Ghosn case (we were in Japan at the time) was a clear example of that. Ghosn was the only "criminal" for months until they couldn't hide misbehaviour of several Japanese top managers.
Hopefully the Japanese people will not have to pay the Covid-19 spreading price for what the "power and money" elite are doing by allowing the Olympics to take place.
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
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Date: May 17, 2021 17:40
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Hairball
Japan only has about 1% of their entire population fully vaccinated, and only apprx. 3% having at least one dose so far.
And they plan on hosting the Summer Olympics? Still two months away, but could be a disaster in the making.
Via CBS News: Corona-Olympics
Tokyo Olympics 2021: Japanese government expands COVID state of emergency ahead of upcoming Summer Games
State of emergency expanded from six areas to nine, including Hokkaido.
While the United States begins to relax its mandates and laws pertaining to COVID-19, other nations around the world are yet in a position to do so. In Japan, for instance, COVID is still wreaking havoc on life and liberty alike -- a major problem as the nation gets set to host the Summer Olympic games. According to a report by Mari Yamaguchi of the Associated Press, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga expanded a COVID-19 state of emergency from six areas in the country to nine. In addition to the three existing areas, which include Tokyo, a state of emergency has now been declared in Hokkaido, Hiroshima, and Okayama. The state of emergency is a major issue for the Tokyo Olympics, which will be held this summer after being postponied from 2020. Speaking to the press, Suga affirmed his commitment to holding the games while also protecting the Japanese by strictly controlling the movement of foreign participants. "Infections are escalating extremely rapidly in populated areas," Suga said. "As new variants continue to spread, we judged that now is a very important time to stop the further spread of infections."
While a possible further extension of the state of emergency will be decided on after an evaluation of the situation in late May, the Japanese government has become increasingly frustrated with repeated emergency declarations and a slow vaccine rollout. While the Japanese public has become less cooperative with COVID regulations in daily life, there has also been significant opposition to hosting the Olympics altogether. As shared by a report by Kyodo News, a petition calling for the cancellation of the Tokyo Olympics has gathered over 350,000 signatures, with such efforts being organized by Kenji Utsunomiya, a prominent lawyer who served as the former head of the Japan Federation of Bar Associations. "Holding the Olympics should be welcomed by everyone, but that is not possible under the current situation. So the Olympics must be canceled," Utsunomiya said. While a cancellation of the Olympics is unlikely given the amount of money involved, the COVID-19 pandemic continues to complicate Japan's serving as host nation. On Friday, Olympic minister Tamayo Marukawa shared that 45 municipalities across the country have abandoned plans to host athletes for pre-Olympic training camps and cultural exchanges.
If the Japanese government insists the Olympic Games should take place no matter what disaster may happen, we (my wife and me, both double vaccinated) should be given permission to visit 98 years old mother (in law) any time this year. But ... we all know that this is not going to happen. The stuborn Japanese elite (money control and other powers) has been responsible for the dreadful aftermath of the Fukushima nuclear disaster of which lots of known facts have been wiped under the carpet and they don't care a bit about the Japanese ordinary people. Fear and discust are widely spread among the Japanese of which more than 80% are against having the Olympic Games. Thanks to the open Internet and other media freedom, the elite can't block the people from getting the important info, but some national newspapers (like Yomiuri shimbun, among others) as well as national TV (like NHK) feed their readers and viewers (many elderly not having access to Internet) with cleverly filtered information as to keep them unaware of important facts. The whole Nissan/Ghosn case (we were in Japan at the time) was a clear example of that. Ghosn was the only "criminal" for months until they couldn't hide misbehaviour of several Japanese top managers.
Hopefully the Japanese people will not have to pay the Covid-19 spreading price for what the "power and money" elite are doing by allowing the Olympics to take place.
I'm totally ignorant about the World Health Organization (WHO), but is Japan a member, and what could be the possible punitive fallout from the WHO for Japan having the Olympics?
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
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Hairball
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Date: May 17, 2021 19:46
More mask guidance controversy...
Can't blame all the nurses for being upset about this - they've been on the front lines putting themselves at risk, and have seen alot of the misery firsthand.
From the New York Times:
A major nurses’ union condemns the C.D.C.’s new mask advice for vaccinated people.
“Now is not the time to relax protective measures, and we are outraged that the C.D.C.
has done just that while we are still in the midst of the deadliest pandemic in a century,” - Bonnie Castillo
Masks
The nation’s largest union of registered nurses condemned the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Saturday for lifting mask recommendations for vaccinated people and called on the agency to “do the right thing” and revise its guidance. Bonnie Castillo, a registered nurse and executive director of the union, National Nurses United, said the most recent guidance, which was issued on Thursday and rolled back mask recommendations and other precautions for those who are fully vaccinated, “is not based on science.” Ms. Castillo said the new guidance would jeopardize the health of frontline workers and the general public and would disproportionately harm people of color.
Many major U.S. retailers have dropped mask requirements since Thursday, effectively moving to an honor system in which they trust that only vaccinated people will bare their faces. “This is a huge blow to our efforts at confronting this virus and the pandemic,” said Ms. Castillo, whose union represents 170,000 nurses nationwide. “The mask is another lifesaving layer of protection for workers,” she said. Although vaccination is vitally important to stopping the virus’s spread, she noted that millions of Americans still had not been vaccinated. Less than half of the population has had a single dose of vaccine, and less than 40 percent are fully vaccinated.
The union also criticized the C.D.C. for other actions, including its decision to stop monitoring breakthrough infections among vaccinated individuals and to investigate such cases only if they result in a hospitalization or death. The agency announced that, as of May 1, it would no longer track or investigate all infections among vaccinated people so that it could “maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance.” The nurses said that meant the C.D.C. would not gather the data necessary to understand whether vaccines prevent mild and asymptomatic infections, how long vaccine protection lasts and what role variants play in breakthrough infections.
The union also called on the agency, which recently recognized that the virus could be transmitted through aerosolized particles, to update its guidance about ventilation and respiratory protection accordingly. The union also called on the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to immediately issue emergency temporary standards on infectious diseases to protect people in the workplace. The C.D.C. did not immediately respond to the criticisms. Introducing the new recommendations on Thursday, Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the C.D.C. director, cited two recent scientific findings as significant factors: Few vaccinated people become infected with the virus, and transmission seems rarer still; and the vaccines appear to be effective against all known variants of the coronavirus.
The union noted that more than 35,000 new cases of coronavirus were being reported each day and that more than 600 people were dying each day. “Now is not the time to relax protective measures, and we are outraged that the C.D.C. has done just that while we are still in the midst of the deadliest pandemic in a century,” Ms. Castillo said.
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Can't blame all the nurses for being upset about this - they've been on the front lines putting themselves at risk, and have seen alot of the misery firsthand.
From the New York Times:
A major nurses’ union condemns the C.D.C.’s new mask advice for vaccinated people.
“Now is not the time to relax protective measures, and we are outraged that the C.D.C.
has done just that while we are still in the midst of the deadliest pandemic in a century,” - Bonnie Castillo
Masks
The nation’s largest union of registered nurses condemned the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Saturday for lifting mask recommendations for vaccinated people and called on the agency to “do the right thing” and revise its guidance. Bonnie Castillo, a registered nurse and executive director of the union, National Nurses United, said the most recent guidance, which was issued on Thursday and rolled back mask recommendations and other precautions for those who are fully vaccinated, “is not based on science.” Ms. Castillo said the new guidance would jeopardize the health of frontline workers and the general public and would disproportionately harm people of color.
Many major U.S. retailers have dropped mask requirements since Thursday, effectively moving to an honor system in which they trust that only vaccinated people will bare their faces. “This is a huge blow to our efforts at confronting this virus and the pandemic,” said Ms. Castillo, whose union represents 170,000 nurses nationwide. “The mask is another lifesaving layer of protection for workers,” she said. Although vaccination is vitally important to stopping the virus’s spread, she noted that millions of Americans still had not been vaccinated. Less than half of the population has had a single dose of vaccine, and less than 40 percent are fully vaccinated.
The union also criticized the C.D.C. for other actions, including its decision to stop monitoring breakthrough infections among vaccinated individuals and to investigate such cases only if they result in a hospitalization or death. The agency announced that, as of May 1, it would no longer track or investigate all infections among vaccinated people so that it could “maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance.” The nurses said that meant the C.D.C. would not gather the data necessary to understand whether vaccines prevent mild and asymptomatic infections, how long vaccine protection lasts and what role variants play in breakthrough infections.
The union also called on the agency, which recently recognized that the virus could be transmitted through aerosolized particles, to update its guidance about ventilation and respiratory protection accordingly. The union also called on the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to immediately issue emergency temporary standards on infectious diseases to protect people in the workplace. The C.D.C. did not immediately respond to the criticisms. Introducing the new recommendations on Thursday, Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the C.D.C. director, cited two recent scientific findings as significant factors: Few vaccinated people become infected with the virus, and transmission seems rarer still; and the vaccines appear to be effective against all known variants of the coronavirus.
The union noted that more than 35,000 new cases of coronavirus were being reported each day and that more than 600 people were dying each day. “Now is not the time to relax protective measures, and we are outraged that the C.D.C. has done just that while we are still in the midst of the deadliest pandemic in a century,” Ms. Castillo said.
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
georgie48
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Date: May 17, 2021 20:43
Quote
NashvilleBluesQuote
georgie48Quote
Hairball
Japan only has about 1% of their entire population fully vaccinated, and only apprx. 3% having at least one dose so far.
And they plan on hosting the Summer Olympics? Still two months away, but could be a disaster in the making.
Via CBS News: Corona-Olympics
Tokyo Olympics 2021: Japanese government expands COVID state of emergency ahead of upcoming Summer Games
State of emergency expanded from six areas to nine, including Hokkaido.
While the United States begins to relax its mandates and laws pertaining to COVID-19, other nations around the world are yet in a position to do so. In Japan, for instance, COVID is still wreaking havoc on life and liberty alike -- a major problem as the nation gets set to host the Summer Olympic games. According to a report by Mari Yamaguchi of the Associated Press, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga expanded a COVID-19 state of emergency from six areas in the country to nine. In addition to the three existing areas, which include Tokyo, a state of emergency has now been declared in Hokkaido, Hiroshima, and Okayama. The state of emergency is a major issue for the Tokyo Olympics, which will be held this summer after being postponied from 2020. Speaking to the press, Suga affirmed his commitment to holding the games while also protecting the Japanese by strictly controlling the movement of foreign participants. "Infections are escalating extremely rapidly in populated areas," Suga said. "As new variants continue to spread, we judged that now is a very important time to stop the further spread of infections."
While a possible further extension of the state of emergency will be decided on after an evaluation of the situation in late May, the Japanese government has become increasingly frustrated with repeated emergency declarations and a slow vaccine rollout. While the Japanese public has become less cooperative with COVID regulations in daily life, there has also been significant opposition to hosting the Olympics altogether. As shared by a report by Kyodo News, a petition calling for the cancellation of the Tokyo Olympics has gathered over 350,000 signatures, with such efforts being organized by Kenji Utsunomiya, a prominent lawyer who served as the former head of the Japan Federation of Bar Associations. "Holding the Olympics should be welcomed by everyone, but that is not possible under the current situation. So the Olympics must be canceled," Utsunomiya said. While a cancellation of the Olympics is unlikely given the amount of money involved, the COVID-19 pandemic continues to complicate Japan's serving as host nation. On Friday, Olympic minister Tamayo Marukawa shared that 45 municipalities across the country have abandoned plans to host athletes for pre-Olympic training camps and cultural exchanges.
If the Japanese government insists the Olympic Games should take place no matter what disaster may happen, we (my wife and me, both double vaccinated) should be given permission to visit 98 years old mother (in law) any time this year. But ... we all know that this is not going to happen. The stuborn Japanese elite (money control and other powers) has been responsible for the dreadful aftermath of the Fukushima nuclear disaster of which lots of known facts have been wiped under the carpet and they don't care a bit about the Japanese ordinary people. Fear and discust are widely spread among the Japanese of which more than 80% are against having the Olympic Games. Thanks to the open Internet and other media freedom, the elite can't block the people from getting the important info, but some national newspapers (like Yomiuri shimbun, among others) as well as national TV (like NHK) feed their readers and viewers (many elderly not having access to Internet) with cleverly filtered information as to keep them unaware of important facts. The whole Nissan/Ghosn case (we were in Japan at the time) was a clear example of that. Ghosn was the only "criminal" for months until they couldn't hide misbehaviour of several Japanese top managers.
Hopefully the Japanese people will not have to pay the Covid-19 spreading price for what the "power and money" elite are doing by allowing the Olympics to take place.
I'm totally ignorant about the World Health Organization (WHO), but is Japan a member, and what could be the possible punitive fallout from the WHO for Japan having the Olympics?
Japan is a member of the WHO. It's power is limited. I think it's merely an advicery body. Trump's America wasn't happy with the WHO, so they left as a member (read: didn't give any money anymore to the WHO). Currently it looks like China has the biggest influence (read: gives a lot of money). Japan can do whatever it likes. Even within the EU each country makes its own "corona rules". Off course there will be talks behind close doors, but well ...
Countries generally follow the general advice of the WHO, but each country interprets it based on their local situation (health, economy, politics, etc.).
For Japan pride an not losing face are the most important factors, not the safety and health of its people (off course in public they that they do, but well ...)
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
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Date: May 17, 2021 20:58
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MisterDDDD
Everyone that has taken masking/distancing/vaccinating seriously from the jump will continue to be respectful of the virus and of others concerns as we transition out of this.
And we'll continue to be responsible around young children, and those with compromised immune systems as well.
But, as the new guidance suggests, we are done letting the anti-maskers. anti-vaxers, anti-lockdowns, covidiots, continue to negatvely impact the rest of us.
Don't want to get the vaccine?
Fine- frankly don't give a sht. Get the virus or shoot disinfectant in your arm.
Don't care.
Vaccinated people are now safe from serious illness and death, and very unlikely to transmit the virus.
We are done with this. Get vaxxed, have a donut and a beer. Or don't. Your choice.
this is my new favorite post.
I agree 100%....I'm done trying to convince people or caring very much. Do your thing, people.
I think there is room to talk to the "vaccine hesitant" but the moment they dip into the "anti-vax" circle, I'm done.
Go DDDD!
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
Hairball
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Date: May 17, 2021 21:01
Saw a brief story late last night on the news that protests in Japan against holding the Olympics are picking up momentum.
Not sure if that will make a difference when they're going up against those in power, but seems they're making an effort.
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More mask guidance controversy, story from CNN:
Experts are warning about the unintended consequences of the CDC mask guidance
"I would urge businesses to keep those mask mandates in place as long as possible in their businesses to protect their workers.
It's particularly an equity issue. We know that Black and Brown folks across the United States who are most often our frontline employees
with public facing jobs, are also those who have had the hardest time accessing the vaccines." - Emergency physician Dr. Megan Ranney
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"The CDC has gotten the science right, but they've gotten the messaging wrong," Dr. Jonathan Reiner, a professor of medicine and surgery at George Washington University, told CNN on Sunday. While those fully vaccinated are "basically immune" to the virus, Reiner said, the question is how do communities keep others protected -- like children who aren't able to get the vaccine yet, or immuno-compromised Americans who may still be at risk.
"The way you would protect them, ideally, would be to know who's vaccinated and who's not vaccinated, and the unvaccinated folks would still be required to wear a mask. And this is where politics comes in," Reiner said. "If we had had a very simple electronic system from the beginning, basically you have a pass on your phone that turns green after you've been vaccinated, businesses and venues all over the country would be able to say, 'Good news, if you have a green pass you don't need to wear a mask.We don't have that, so how do we go forward?"
More.> Masks
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Not sure if that will make a difference when they're going up against those in power, but seems they're making an effort.
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More mask guidance controversy, story from CNN:
Experts are warning about the unintended consequences of the CDC mask guidance
"I would urge businesses to keep those mask mandates in place as long as possible in their businesses to protect their workers.
It's particularly an equity issue. We know that Black and Brown folks across the United States who are most often our frontline employees
with public facing jobs, are also those who have had the hardest time accessing the vaccines." - Emergency physician Dr. Megan Ranney
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"The CDC has gotten the science right, but they've gotten the messaging wrong," Dr. Jonathan Reiner, a professor of medicine and surgery at George Washington University, told CNN on Sunday. While those fully vaccinated are "basically immune" to the virus, Reiner said, the question is how do communities keep others protected -- like children who aren't able to get the vaccine yet, or immuno-compromised Americans who may still be at risk.
"The way you would protect them, ideally, would be to know who's vaccinated and who's not vaccinated, and the unvaccinated folks would still be required to wear a mask. And this is where politics comes in," Reiner said. "If we had had a very simple electronic system from the beginning, basically you have a pass on your phone that turns green after you've been vaccinated, businesses and venues all over the country would be able to say, 'Good news, if you have a green pass you don't need to wear a mask.We don't have that, so how do we go forward?"
More.> Masks
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
NashvilleBlues
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Date: May 17, 2021 21:06
Big difference between those who have trouble getting the vaccine, and those who refuse it. In the US, I'm unaware of anyone over 16 who wants the vaccine, but cannot get it. Currently, in the US, access to the vaccine is a non-issue.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
Hairball
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Date: May 17, 2021 21:21
Evidently it's still an issue for some as Dr. Megan Ranney pointed out above.
Also here: Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations Race/Ethnicity
"...these data raise concerns about racial disparities in COVID-19 vaccinations. Preventing such disparities will be important to mitigate the disproportionate impacts of the pandemic for people of color, prevent widening disparities going forward, and achieve broad population immunity. A number of states are implementing strategies to address these disparities, and the federal government is launching a range of approaches to expand vaccine access and uptake, with a particular focus on reaching underserved areas and communities hardest hit by the pandemic. The broadening of eligibility for vaccinations across states should also lead to increasing vaccinations among Black and Hispanic people, who are younger overall than White people. Yet, despite these efforts and broadening eligibility, disparities in vaccination rates are persisting and the pace of vaccinations has slowed across groups. With eligibility expanded across all states, efforts to prioritize equity and make it as easy as possible for people to access vaccinations will be important for continued progress toward achieving high vaccination rates across groups. A focus on equity will also be important when 12 to 15-year-olds become eligible, as analysis shows that over half of this group are teens of color, including a quarter who are Hispanic"
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-05-17 21:24 by Hairball.
Also here: Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations Race/Ethnicity
"...these data raise concerns about racial disparities in COVID-19 vaccinations. Preventing such disparities will be important to mitigate the disproportionate impacts of the pandemic for people of color, prevent widening disparities going forward, and achieve broad population immunity. A number of states are implementing strategies to address these disparities, and the federal government is launching a range of approaches to expand vaccine access and uptake, with a particular focus on reaching underserved areas and communities hardest hit by the pandemic. The broadening of eligibility for vaccinations across states should also lead to increasing vaccinations among Black and Hispanic people, who are younger overall than White people. Yet, despite these efforts and broadening eligibility, disparities in vaccination rates are persisting and the pace of vaccinations has slowed across groups. With eligibility expanded across all states, efforts to prioritize equity and make it as easy as possible for people to access vaccinations will be important for continued progress toward achieving high vaccination rates across groups. A focus on equity will also be important when 12 to 15-year-olds become eligible, as analysis shows that over half of this group are teens of color, including a quarter who are Hispanic"
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-05-17 21:24 by Hairball.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by:
NashvilleBlues
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Date: May 17, 2021 21:30
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Hairball
Evidently it's still an issue for some as Dr. Megan Ranney pointed out above.
Also here: Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations Race/Ethnicity
"...these data raise concerns about racial disparities in COVID-19 vaccinations. Preventing such disparities will be important to mitigate the disproportionate impacts of the pandemic for people of color, prevent widening disparities going forward, and achieve broad population immunity. A number of states are implementing strategies to address these disparities, and the federal government is launching a range of approaches to expand vaccine access and uptake, with a particular focus on reaching underserved areas and communities hardest hit by the pandemic. The broadening of eligibility for vaccinations across states should also lead to increasing vaccinations among Black and Hispanic people, who are younger overall than White people. Yet, despite these efforts and broadening eligibility, disparities in vaccination rates are persisting and the pace of vaccinations has slowed across groups. With eligibility expanded across all states, efforts to prioritize equity and make it as easy as possible for people to access vaccinations will be important for continued progress toward achieving high vaccination rates across groups. A focus on equity will also be important when 12 to 15-year-olds become eligible, as analysis shows that over half of this group are teens of color, including a quarter who are Hispanic"
Looks like a choice issue, not an availability issue.
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