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Vaccines are available for everyone over age 16 in Washington state now. Of course, trying to get an appointment is mayhem. Glad I was able to get started a month ago. Getting second shot on Saturday.
Same here in California, and same here about getting started - one down, one to go. . I don't think it's been that hard here for people who want the vaccine to get it - at least up until today anyways.
There was a possibility I was going to have to miss my second shot appointment for next Saturday at CVS, so I jumped on line and was easily able to get a backup appointment for the following Tuesday at the same CVS.
Turns out I can keep original appointment, so canceled plan B thus opening it up for whoever may need it. I heard on the news radio today that CA is leading the way in the US as far as actual number of vaccines being administered so far, even more than many countries, but not sure of the actual percentage of population that has received it. Big state, large population, and the vaccination process is kicking in to another gear with over 16 year olds now being eligible.
here in Louisiana only 50% of people are saying they plan to get the vaccine, and there is more supply than demand. A lot of the population have been listening to the wrong people, frankly, and I sometimes despair of our ever getting rid of this.
Exactly as they know better than a Woman and want tell Woman what to do but at the same time are resistant to following societal guidance on how to stay safe for the sake of everyone including themselves . Here at work we have a even split of deniers and believers and the deniers are masked and have there Clorox wipes and Lysol wipes and clean to the point of obsession yet they refuse to get the shot . One guy is such a germaphobe and is wicked paranoid of his own shadow and goes to every kind of Doctor for a pimple or his teeth or his therapist , yet won't take the vaccine because he doesn't have his elevator going to the top floor.Quote
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a) knew of the side-effects and lied/covered-up...which is really bad
b) didn't know of the side-effects, yet still pushed the "it's safe....trust the science" angle....which is also bad.
and if the gov't (or businesses) are contemplating Vaccine Passports, that is essentially forcing people to take a vaccine that might kill them, no matter how small the chances....
that's not good for optics either.
.....and, hence, now we'll have more Vaccine Resistance as a result and the anti-Vaxxers will have another argument to throw around...
c) In the study groups zero people had the clotting side effect(s)
Which is the correct answer, and when people (women) did, the CDC put a pause on the distribution (which happens frequently as part of their process).
Unless trying to bolster the anti-vax argument, this should theoretically instill confidence in the process, as that's how it's designed to work.
No one is talking about "forcing" anyone to take the vaccine. Don't want to show proof to go to the concert or board an airplane etc? Don't go. If it were to happen, it would very likely be "proof of vax or a negative test done within x hours before.." So, for those unwilling, they could still go, but have to submit to a test. Seems reasonable.
I see your point.
However, my point was/is Fauci and Brix and Everybody said "trust the science...the vax is 100% safe"....now they have to change that...
which looks bad...
telling people "trust me" and turning out to be wrong NEVER looks good, no matter how small your error or how it came about...
...it's simply bad optics...nothing more, nothing less.
as for Vax Passports....if it were only as simple as "concerts and airplanes" then "yes" your plan seems very reasonable (to me)...I don't agree with it, but I feel it is reasonable.
However, concerts and airplanes are, IMO, not even close to the place to start the discussion...
What's the plan for Public Transport, upon which millions and millions rely?
What about supermarkets and food-stores?
Gov't Mandated "No Vax, No Entry" in these places would be essentially forcing millions to get the vaccine....or essentially forcing them to pay for rapid-tests every day.
("essentially" was the operative word I used - ie. "indirectly" forcing by implementing widespread and possibly insurmountable restrictions, like cutting off access to public transport)
my point on this was that there are a LOT of situations that turns this issue into a legal minefield, irrespective of one's opinion on the issue...
pay your taxes....but, you can't ride taxpayer-funded, public-transport unless you get a vaccine that might kill you?
Hmmm....I dunno....Better Call Saul!!
Sorry, do not recall Fauci giving a 100% absolute abouth anything. A 1 in 1 million means it is proven to be 99.9999% safe.
What is wrong my mandating people get vaccination to be allowed to do certain things. Children are required to get measles vaccines to attend school, people are mandated to not have a blood alcohol level above .08% to drive and there are many other examples for public safety. These are generally the same people refusing to wear masks as it violates their rights. How come the same people who are against being forced to get vaccinated have no problem forcing a woman to continue an unwanted pregnancy even in the cases of rape and incest? Riddle me that one?
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I think it's that people don't like to be coerced.
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I think it's that people don't like to be coerced.
Are people being coerced in some states to take the vaccine?
Over here you're free to say no.
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I think it's that people don't like to be coerced.
Are people being coerced in some states to take the vaccine?
Over here you're free to say no.
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I think it's that people don't like to be coerced.
Are people being coerced in some states to take the vaccine?
Over here you're free to say no.
No coercion that I've seen or heard of in any states.
Encouraged, yes. Coerced, no.
Assuming that the possibility of not being able to go to an event, or board a plane etc without vax proof is where the notion of coercion is coming from,
but no.. completely free to say no here as well.
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I think it's that people don't like to be coerced.
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I think it's that people don't like to be coerced.
Where I live in California, I see loads of encouragement everywhere - from signs on pharmacies, grocery stores, billboards, etc, and daily reminders from news anchors both locally and nationally to get your vaccine!
Whie most of it is well intentioned, some of it is bordering on pressure, which could eventually lead to a form of coercion - maybe not by the government, but by the general population who have been vaccinated.
I happily and voluntarily opted for the vaccine, but I know quite a few who refuse - some Democrat, some Republican, and some completely apolitical. Some are skeptical, while some simply dont like being told what to do.
Just yesterday I mentioned to an acquaintance near where I work I'm "one down, one to go" with the vaccine, and he replied something like "you're letting the government force that shit in your system"? lol, what a jerkoff.
All I could do was shrug, but the troubling part is his wife is a nurse, and she hasn't received the vaccination either due to hesitancy. They both have always seemed level-headed, but it makes you wonder how many other "level-headed" people feel the same way they do....
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I think it's that people don't like to be coerced.
Where I live in California, I see loads of encouragement everywhere - from signs on pharmacies, grocery stores, billboards, etc, and daily reminders from news anchors both locally and nationally to get your vaccine!
Whie most of it is well intentioned, some of it is bordering on pressure, which could eventually lead to a form of coercion - maybe not by the government, but by the general population who have been vaccinated.
I happily and voluntarily opted for the vaccine, but I know quite a few who refuse - some Democrat, some Republican, and some completely apolitical. Some are skeptical, while some simply dont like being told what to do.
Just yesterday I mentioned to an acquaintance near where I work I'm "one down, one to go" with the vaccine, and he replied something like "you're letting the government force that shit in your system"? lol, what a jerkoff.
All I could do was shrug, but the troubling part is his wife is a nurse, and she hasn't received the vaccination either due to hesitancy. They both have always seemed level-headed, but it makes you wonder how many other "level-headed" people feel the same way they do....
Just proves you can't fix stupid. I just find it ironic the correlation between Covid is just like the flu, masks don't work and shouldn't be requires and the vaccines are bad. Seems to me this is a form of de-evolution. Now is when we have a real world example of Darwin's law.
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I gladly took the Pfizer vaccine. But I get that there are many people who are skeptical, for many reasons. Sure there are the crazies who think there's a chip going in with the vaccine. But there are also people who question how they got the vaccine so quickly after being told it would take years. There are people who don't take vaccines generally.
Some people are skeptical of everything reported in the media today. Some people would say with good reason.
Like I said, I gladly took the vaccine, I think I'm better off with it than without. But I am not willing to write off people who are skeptical at this point as nuts.
Maybe some people equate being called "stupid" with coercion. Not so unreasonable, is it?
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I was coerced into getting the vaccine...by the coronavirus!
I find it quite unbelievable how so many people are refusing the vaccine because of “personal liberty.” Makes no rational sense to refuse something that is for the benefit of themselves, their families, their friends, their country and the world. I have some relatives that are refusing. I think (hope) that as more and more people get vaccinated they may change their minds. Right now, the only actual coercion is peer pressure.
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This will be new Covid-19 vaccines. There is no such this as Covid-20, 21, 22 etc. The Moderna CEO said in an interview that they are looking at combining a Covid vaccine with an influenza vaccine given once a year. Any objections to that will eventually result in illness. Personally I have been getting a flu vaccine for about 10 years. Haven't had the flu since. Prior to that was once every three years or so and was never fun.
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Aquamarine
So, judging from an NYT article, it seems that immunocompromised people like me who take certain drugs don't respond to the coronavirus vaccines. (Which also explains why I had no reactions to the jabs.) This sucks rather a lot, but I've signed up for a registry which provides information and antibody tests.
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So, judging from an NYT article, it seems that immunocompromised people like me who take certain drugs don't respond to the coronavirus vaccines. (Which also explains why I had no reactions to the jabs.) This sucks rather a lot, but I've signed up for a registry which provides information and antibody tests.
I'm immunocompromised & Have to do monthly infusions & take some other exotic drugs daily. My doctor had me time the vaccsine so that I had the shots halfway between infusions. It was tricky but I was able to pull it off. Getting shot 2 of Moderna today.
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This will be new Covid-19 vaccines. There is no such this as Covid-20, 21, 22 etc. The Moderna CEO said in an interview that they are looking at combining a Covid vaccine with an influenza vaccine given once a year. Any objections to that will eventually result in illness. Personally I have been getting a flu vaccine for about 10 years. Haven't had the flu since. Prior to that was once every three years or so and was never fun.
I've only had one flu vaccine and, guess what? I got a terrible case of the flu. Never got another vaccine, never got the flu again.
Let's pray that there is never a "Covid-20, etc." But there are, and will be variants:
"Those in vaccine trials continue to be monitored by developers and regulatory bodies around the world to determine how immunity wanes over time. Currently, only a tiny percentage of those vaccinated have become re-infected, however, if this number begins to grow, it would serve as a reason to administer booster shots.
The other concern, of course, is the emergence of new variants capable of evading a body's immune response. Studies are ongoing to uncover the extent to which the variants currently circulating are capable of doing this but, with more mutations expected as the virus replicates, there is enough reason to believe that vaccines may prove ineffective against new strains.
A recent survey of 77 epidemiologists from 28 countries conducted by the People's Vaccine Alliance revealed that two-thirds of them believed that it would take a year (or less) for new variants that render first-generation vaccines ineffective to emerge."
[www.timesnownews.com]
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Pretty big milestone hit in the US today.. half-down, half to go!
Almost 84 million adults, or about 32.5% of the population, have been fully vaccinated.
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I expect there are enough Stones fans within the 84 million to justify a fall tour!