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TheGreekSo if everybody bites the dust , what will it matter as long as you don't cripple the economy ? There has to be safety in society versus just winging it .Quote
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
Hurling insults rarely works to convince people to listen to you.
generally, it has the opposite effect.
just saying.
It seems to be the only way he can argue. As stated before, there can't be a debate if he's just going to act like a little kid.
Well, some cannot debate without hurling insults, unfortunately. I have respect for my fellow posters; I just don’t always agree. The UK’s tier system is genuinely confusing and controversial. I am not a covid-denier and nor do I feel we should just go back to a complete normality: face-coverings will be with us for a while. I just don’t believe another shutdown is necessary.
Shutdown is not necessary, I don't feel either. Safety precautions are great, wear the masks, practice social distancing, etc. but you can't cripple the economy.
I have a friend that owns a bar/restaurant who told me he was definitely going to have to shut down. Then he got some stimulus of some sort, $150,000! Which he said likely he will not have to pay back. I said "great" to him, but I am thinking to myself "jesus, how many bars are in my state and/or country getting similar? How many billions (trillion?) will this cost? Where is that money coming from? Our taxes I guess.
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
Hurling insults rarely works to convince people to listen to you.
generally, it has the opposite effect.
just saying.
It seems to be the only way he can argue. As stated before, there can't be a debate if he's just going to act like a little kid.
Well, some cannot debate without hurling insults, unfortunately. I have respect for my fellow posters; I just don’t always agree. The UK’s tier system is genuinely confusing and controversial. I am not a covid-denier and nor do I feel we should just go back to a complete normality: face-coverings will be with us for a while. I just don’t believe another shutdown is necessary.
Shutdown is not necessary, I don't feel either. Safety precautions are great, wear the masks, practice social distancing, etc. but you can't cripple the economy.
I have a friend that owns a bar/restaurant who told me he was definitely going to have to shut down. Then he got some stimulus of some sort, $150,000! Which he said likely he will not have to pay back. I said "great" to him, but I am thinking to myself "jesus, how many bars are in my state and/or country getting similar? How many billions (trillion?) will this cost? Where is that money coming from? Our taxes I guess.
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Second person to get vaccine in the UK
was a gentleman named William Shakespeare .......
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SomeTorontoGirl
Food for thought - the consequences of COVID-19 are more than ‘merely’ the rate of fatalities. There are many other significant and long-term health consequences, as noted in the below. Without getting hung up on the strict accuracy of those numbers, it does illustrate the very real fact that many who have been affected have serious and / or long lasting complications.
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This breaking news isn't going to help.
Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. more vaccine doses.
"Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. government additional doses of its Covid-19 vaccine, according to people familiar with the matter. Now Pfizer may not be able provide more of its vaccine to the United States until next June because of its commitments to other countries, they said."
[www.nytimes.com]
It’s amazing how these evil @#$%& end up in the halls of power they should be nowhere else but on the fringes of society.
Nate
Yeah...this looks bad NOW....but Monday Morning Quarterbacking is the easiest thing in the world to do (for non-Gringo-English speakers, "Monday Morning QB-ing" is the whole "hindsight is 20-20" thing).
This was all pre-testing and pre-90% efficiency rate and all of that....in other words, the purchase order in "late summer" was for a product that the entire world and every "expert" was unsure if it would even work....
a cautious approach was justified at that point....it's a new virus we still don't fully understand and a vaccine we understood even less (at that time)....
If he had bought them in "late summer" and it turned out the vaccine didn't work or was only 20% effective....or another vaccine came out that was far cheaper....or, or, or, or.....they'd be grumping about what a fool he was to buy it without knowing what he was buying....
OR...if the US bought up all the vaccine, he'd be called a "racist-imperialist" (or something) for putting Americans first and not "sharing" w/ the rest of the world....
Yeah I’m sure most Americans are very grateful that their government didn’t waste money on a potential vaccine that could have saved many lives much better to spend it on bleach or vote recounts.
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Food for thought - the consequences of COVID-19 are more than ‘merely’ the rate of fatalities. There are many other significant and long-term health consequences, as noted in the below. Without getting hung up on the strict accuracy of those numbers, it does illustrate the very real fact that many who have been affected have serious and / or long lasting complications. COVID-19 cases are causing hospital staff - doctors, nurses, lab techs, cleaners and others - to burn out across the board, and many are leaving the profession. And when hospitals operate at or over capacity for so long, other things get cancelled or delayed, including cancer treatment and heart surgery. So this virus is threatening health care systems from top to bottom and the effects will be felt by all patients, not just those with COVID-19.
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Our resident Covid deniers and anti shutdown activists don't really care because it doesn't affect them. I also saw the comment that the only people who are for shutdowns are those who's business isn't affected. My business was affected as multiple clients are gone under. That affects my business but if the virus persists the it doesn't matter if the economy is open or closed, people won't spend money except on absolute necessities.
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Food for thought - the consequences of COVID-19 are more than ‘merely’ the rate of fatalities. There are many other significant and long-term health consequences, as noted in the below. Without getting hung up on the strict accuracy of those numbers, it does illustrate the very real fact that many who have been affected have serious and / or long lasting complications. COVID-19 cases are causing hospital staff - doctors, nurses, lab techs, cleaners and others - to burn out across the board, and many are leaving the profession. And when hospitals operate at or over capacity for so long, other things get cancelled or delayed, including cancer treatment and heart surgery. So this virus is threatening health care systems from top to bottom and the effects will be felt by all patients, not just those with COVID-19.
Our resident Covid deniers and anti shutdown activists don't really care because it doesn't affect them. I also saw the comment that the only people who are for shutdowns are those who's business isn't affected. My business was affected as multiple clients are gone under. That affects my business but if the virus persists the it doesn't matter if the economy is open or closed, people won't spend money except on absolute necessities.
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
Hurling insults rarely works to convince people to listen to you.
generally, it has the opposite effect.
just saying.
It seems to be the only way he can argue. As stated before, there can't be a debate if he's just going to act like a little kid.
Well, some cannot debate without hurling insults, unfortunately. I have respect for my fellow posters; I just don’t always agree. The UK’s tier system is genuinely confusing and controversial. I am not a covid-denier and nor do I feel we should just go back to a complete normality: face-coverings will be with us for a while. I just don’t believe another shutdown is necessary.
Shutdown is not necessary, I don't feel either. Safety precautions are great, wear the masks, practice social distancing, etc. but you can't cripple the economy.
I have a friend that owns a bar/restaurant who told me he was definitely going to have to shut down. Then he got some stimulus of some sort, $150,000! Which he said likely he will not have to pay back. I said "great" to him, but I am thinking to myself "jesus, how many bars are in my state and/or country getting similar? How many billions (trillion?) will this cost? Where is that money coming from? Our taxes I guess.
Has everyone been "biting the dust"?
It's not fair at all and the giants do rake it in at the expense of the traditional mom and pop shops . Just as a side note i don't frequent Amazon and do try to shop local as much as i can afford as i have long term built in relationships with shops that serves me well and gives me tremondous savings when i shop wisely . It is amazing what one can accomplish with a little effort in how the direct there spending . Back on point all i am saying is about safety . Look at how these positive # are blowing up now in the USA just from Thanksgiving , i can't really wrap my head around all of the hoopla around one Holiday as we lead up to Christmas . I am left scrachting my head and thinking was it worth it to those that boarded a plane or hopped on a train to eat some Turkey with their loved ones all for one day ? In my neck of the woods the positive rate is 5% and we are near capacity at our hospitals . I am very lucky to have my job which i do have to report every weekday . I am at my wits end as there is no social life what so ever nada zilch . I have not gone out to eat since last winter , ditto for taking in a movie .Work and grocery shopping .Thank God for having stuff to amuse myself and play with at home . I dread this coming winter .Quote
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
Hurling insults rarely works to convince people to listen to you.
generally, it has the opposite effect.
just saying.
It seems to be the only way he can argue. As stated before, there can't be a debate if he's just going to act like a little kid.
Well, some cannot debate without hurling insults, unfortunately. I have respect for my fellow posters; I just don’t always agree. The UK’s tier system is genuinely confusing and controversial. I am not a covid-denier and nor do I feel we should just go back to a complete normality: face-coverings will be with us for a while. I just don’t believe another shutdown is necessary.
Shutdown is not necessary, I don't feel either. Safety precautions are great, wear the masks, practice social distancing, etc. but you can't cripple the economy.
I have a friend that owns a bar/restaurant who told me he was definitely going to have to shut down. Then he got some stimulus of some sort, $150,000! Which he said likely he will not have to pay back. I said "great" to him, but I am thinking to myself "jesus, how many bars are in my state and/or country getting similar? How many billions (trillion?) will this cost? Where is that money coming from? Our taxes I guess.
Oh Dear Lord...it's this type of hysteria that undermines the valid points you do have....
Fact: 90%+ of people survive (plus the demographics of the 10% are heavily weighted toward the elderly - esp. in old folks homes)
we need CAUTION, for sure...but "what if everybody bites the dust?" is a total non-starter to a legitimate conversation...
My position: if we're not closing Amazon factories, I don't see how it is fair to close down my local bookstore and ruin his life while Bezos gets to profit from the gov't shutting down competitors....that sounds more like fascism than anything.
My 2 Cents: If this is to be "fair," Amazon should only be allowed to sell products deemed "essential"....if bookstores are closed, Amazon should not be allowed to sell books....it's criminal to independent businesses to have it otherwise.....
same goes for WalMart and Target and...and...and....how is it fair that billionaires get MORE rich and independent businesses get shut down and ruined?
Exactly right , if it doesn't kill you it will leave you seriously compromised in your Cardiac , Respiratory, and Pulmanary system .That's exactly where all my anxiety lies - dimminished quality of life !Quote
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Food for thought - the consequences of COVID-19 are more than ‘merely’ the rate of fatalities. There are many other significant and long-term health consequences, as noted in the below. Without getting hung up on the strict accuracy of those numbers, it does illustrate the very real fact that many who have been affected have serious and / or long lasting complications. COVID-19 cases are causing hospital staff - doctors, nurses, lab techs, cleaners and others - to burn out across the board, and many are leaving the profession. And when hospitals operate at or over capacity for so long, other things get cancelled or delayed, including cancer treatment and heart surgery. So this virus is threatening health care systems from top to bottom and the effects will be felt by all patients, not just those with COVID-19.
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[[/quote] Close to 300,000 casualties in the USA .
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Exactly right , if it doesn't kill you it will leave you seriously compromised in your Cardiac , Respiratory, and Pulmanary system .That's exactly where all my anxiety lies - dimminished quality of life !
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Exactly right , if it doesn't kill you it will leave you seriously compromised in your Cardiac , Respiratory, and Pulmanary system .That's exactly where all my anxiety lies - dimminished quality of life !
It kills a tiny minority. I'm not dismissing the severity of the virus on the health of some, but just how many have had their cardiac and respiratory health affected? I suppose we cannot know for certain what the long-term effects may be. Fingers-crossed, it seems the majority are okay. I'm sorry you have anxiety over this. As someone who medicates for it, I know the feeling.
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TheGreekExactly right , if it doesn't kill you it will leave you seriously compromised in your Cardiac , Respiratory, and Pulmanary system .That's exactly where all my anxiety lies - dimminished quality of life !Quote
SomeTorontoGirl
Food for thought - the consequences of COVID-19 are more than ‘merely’ the rate of fatalities. There are many other significant and long-term health consequences, as noted in the below. Without getting hung up on the strict accuracy of those numbers, it does illustrate the very real fact that many who have been affected have serious and / or long lasting complications. COVID-19 cases are causing hospital staff - doctors, nurses, lab techs, cleaners and others - to burn out across the board, and many are leaving the profession. And when hospitals operate at or over capacity for so long, other things get cancelled or delayed, including cancer treatment and heart surgery. So this virus is threatening health care systems from top to bottom and the effects will be felt by all patients, not just those with COVID-19.
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
Hurling insults rarely works to convince people to listen to you.
generally, it has the opposite effect.
just saying.
It seems to be the only way he can argue. As stated before, there can't be a debate if he's just going to act like a little kid.
Well, some cannot debate without hurling insults, unfortunately. I have respect for my fellow posters; I just don’t always agree. The UK’s tier system is genuinely confusing and controversial. I am not a covid-denier and nor do I feel we should just go back to a complete normality: face-coverings will be with us for a while. I just don’t believe another shutdown is necessary.
Shutdown is not necessary, I don't feel either. Safety precautions are great, wear the masks, practice social distancing, etc. but you can't cripple the economy.
I have a friend that owns a bar/restaurant who told me he was definitely going to have to shut down. Then he got some stimulus of some sort, $150,000! Which he said likely he will not have to pay back. I said "great" to him, but I am thinking to myself "jesus, how many bars are in my state and/or country getting similar? How many billions (trillion?) will this cost? Where is that money coming from? Our taxes I guess.
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[[/quote] Close to 300,000 casualties in the USA .
And the population of the U.S.A. is?
300,000 people is a huge number, but what would the percentage be, exactly? It's not 'everyone biting the dust' exactly, is it? Let's get some perspective, yeah?
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[[/quote] Close to 300,000 casualties in the USA .
And the population of the U.S.A. is?
300,000 people is a huge number, but what would the percentage be, exactly? It's not 'everyone biting the dust' exactly, is it? Let's get some perspective, yeah?
So, the LEADING cause of death in America in 2020 is being diminished again. Put that in perspective it is more than heart attacks, more than cancer. That is some perspective.
Looking at last year's tour 300,000 people is every person who attended both Chicago show, Burl's Creek, Landover, Foxboro, New Orleans, Jacksonville and part of Philadelphia. At the current rate it is more than a stadium full per month. That is putting it in perspective.
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... Does this analysis assume a 100% infection rate?
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[[/quote] Close to 300,000 casualties in the USA .
And the population of the U.S.A. is?
300,000 people is a huge number, but what would the percentage be, exactly? It's not 'everyone biting the dust' exactly, is it? Let's get some perspective, yeah?
So, the LEADING cause of death in America in 2020 is being diminished again. Put that in perspective it is more than heart attacks, more than cancer. That is some perspective.
Looking at last year's tour 300,000 people is every person who attended both Chicago show, Burl's Creek, Landover, Foxboro, New Orleans, Jacksonville and part of Philadelphia. At the current rate it is more than a stadium full per month. That is putting it in perspective.
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[[/quote] Close to 300,000 casualties in the USA .
And the population of the U.S.A. is?
300,000 people is a huge number, but what would the percentage be, exactly? It's not 'everyone biting the dust' exactly, is it? Let's get some perspective, yeah?
So, the LEADING cause of death in America in 2020 is being diminished again. Put that in perspective it is more than heart attacks, more than cancer. That is some perspective.
Looking at last year's tour 300,000 people is every person who attended both Chicago show, Burl's Creek, Landover, Foxboro, New Orleans, Jacksonville and part of Philadelphia. At the current rate it is more than a stadium full per month. That is putting it in perspective.
You’re wrong. Covid is the third largest killer, trailing behind heart failure and cancer.
[www.scientificamerican.com]
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How do the survival rates compare between cardiac arrest and a Covid-19 infection? Yes, the virus can kill, but surely, one is more likely to die from a heart attack?