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JadedFaded
The Pfizer vaccine requires minus 70 degrees Celsius. That is WAY colder than ice cream is stored. Very specialized freezers are needed for that low of a temperature.
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First of all, we already have a "cold chain" for the delivery of products like ice cream. Governments can commandeer those resources for the distribution of the vaccine. We can all do without ice cream for three months.
The Pfizer vaccine requires minus 70 degrees Celsius. That is WAY colder than ice cream is stored. Very specialized freezers are needed for that low of a temperature.
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It is hard to work from home if you are a bus driver, a taxi driver, a nurse or a doctor, or if you work in a low-paid factory meat line supplying cheap meat to the consumers. The pandemic is highly unfair when it comes to who is able to escape from it, and who is taking the toll.
I attended my place-of-work throughout lockdown. I do not want to work from home. I wouldn’t wish to work from home, even I were paid twice the rate.
And it's all about what you want, right Big Al? You're the poster child.
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
Hurling insults rarely works to convince people to listen to you.
generally, it has the opposite effect.
just saying.
It seems to be the only way he can argue. As stated before, there can't be a debate if he's just going to act like a little kid.
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Most of us do and others are trying to be Darwin award candidates. Following all 3 precautions is no guarantee one avoids the virus but disregarding it is like playing Russian roulette. Very glad to read your level headed postings about it, now if everyone will listen.
Your math is a bit off, w/ Russian roulette, you have typically 1 in 6 chances of dying.
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Covid-19 vaccine: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK (BBC)
A 90-year-old woman has become the first person to be given a Covid jab as part of the mass vaccination programme being rolled out across the UK.
Margaret Keenan, who turns 91 next week, said it was the "best early birthday present".
She was given the injection at 06:31 GMT - the first of 800,000 doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine that will be given in the coming weeks.
Up to four million more are expected by the end of the month.
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This breaking news isn't going to help.
Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. more vaccine doses.
"Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. government additional doses of its Covid-19 vaccine, according to people familiar with the matter. Now Pfizer may not be able provide more of its vaccine to the United States until next June because of its commitments to other countries, they said."
[www.nytimes.com]
It’s amazing how these evil @#$%& end up in the halls of power they should be nowhere else but on the fringes of society.
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crawdaddy
Yes! I have been watching BBC News this morning and this very good news with the vaccine program in UK now very much underway.
Don't know how the UK were first to get the vaccine but I guess that they put their order in as soon as they heard about it.
A lot of credit for it must go to our top medical staff like Professor Van Tham and others who really have the final say when advising the UK government.
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Prof JVT was just great on that phone in! With that on top of his earlier "mum test" comment, he effortlessly endeared himself even more to the public - including kids after he assured them that Santa was absolutely first in line for the vaccine! He's so down to earth and must surely be everyone's favourite public health figure.
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This breaking news isn't going to help.
Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. more vaccine doses.
"Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. government additional doses of its Covid-19 vaccine, according to people familiar with the matter. Now Pfizer may not be able provide more of its vaccine to the United States until next June because of its commitments to other countries, they said."
[www.nytimes.com]
It’s amazing how these evil @#$%& end up in the halls of power they should be nowhere else but on the fringes of society.
Nate
Yeah...this looks bad NOW....but Monday Morning Quarterbacking is the easiest thing in the world to do (for non-Gringo-English speakers, "Monday Morning QB-ing" is the whole "hindsight is 20-20" thing).
This was all pre-testing and pre-90% efficiency rate and all of that....in other words, the purchase order in "late summer" was for a product that the entire world and every "expert" was unsure if it would even work....
a cautious approach was justified at that point....it's a new virus we still don't fully understand and a vaccine we understood even less (at that time)....
If he had bought them in "late summer" and it turned out the vaccine didn't work or was only 20% effective....or another vaccine came out that was far cheaper....or, or, or, or.....they'd be grumping about what a fool he was to buy it without knowing what he was buying....
OR...if the US bought up all the vaccine, he'd be called a "racist-imperialist" (or something) for putting Americans first and not "sharing" w/ the rest of the world....
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crawdaddy
Yes! I have been watching BBC News this morning and this very good news with the vaccine program in UK now very much underway.
Don't know how the UK were first to get the vaccine but I guess that they put their order in as soon as they heard about it.
A lot of credit for it must go to our top medical staff like Professor Van Tham and others who really have the final say when advising the UK government.
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Most of us do and others are trying to be Darwin award candidates. Following all 3 precautions is no guarantee one avoids the virus but disregarding it is like playing Russian roulette. Very glad to read your level headed postings about it, now if everyone will listen.
Your math is a bit off, w/ Russian roulette, you have typically 1 in 6 chances of dying.
I don't support hurling insults but what a way to pick your battles
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Yes! I have been watching BBC News this morning and this very good news with the vaccine program in UK now very much underway.
Don't know how the UK were first to get the vaccine but I guess that they put their order in as soon as they heard about it.
A lot of credit for it must go to our top medical staff like Professor Van Tham and others who really have the final say when advising the UK government.
Because it's 8 hours ahead of the US? It's not full of covidiots? The food is bad? There must be some explanation!
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
Hurling insults rarely works to convince people to listen to you.
generally, it has the opposite effect.
just saying.
It seems to be the only way he can argue. As stated before, there can't be a debate if he's just going to act like a little kid.
Well, some cannot debate without hurling insults, unfortunately. I have respect for my fellow posters; I just don’t always agree. The UK’s tier system is genuinely confusing and controversial. I am not a covid-denier and nor do I feel we should just go back to a complete normality: face-coverings will be with us for a while. I just don’t believe another shutdown is necessary.
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Yes! I have been watching BBC News this morning and this very good news with the vaccine program in UK now very much underway.
Don't know how the UK were first to get the vaccine but I guess that they put their order in as soon as they heard about it.
A lot of credit for it must go to our top medical staff like Professor Van Tham and others who really have the final say when advising the UK government.
Because it's 8 hours ahead of the US? It's not full of covidiots? The food is bad? There must be some explanation!
Boris ordered next day delivery with amazon prime.
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MisterDDDD
This breaking news isn't going to help.
Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. more vaccine doses.
"Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. government additional doses of its Covid-19 vaccine, according to people familiar with the matter. Now Pfizer may not be able provide more of its vaccine to the United States until next June because of its commitments to other countries, they said."
[www.nytimes.com]
It’s amazing how these evil @#$%& end up in the halls of power they should be nowhere else but on the fringes of society.
Nate
Yeah...this looks bad NOW....but Monday Morning Quarterbacking is the easiest thing in the world to do (for non-Gringo-English speakers, "Monday Morning QB-ing" is the whole "hindsight is 20-20" thing).
This was all pre-testing and pre-90% efficiency rate and all of that....in other words, the purchase order in "late summer" was for a product that the entire world and every "expert" was unsure if it would even work....
a cautious approach was justified at that point....it's a new virus we still don't fully understand and a vaccine we understood even less (at that time)....
If he had bought them in "late summer" and it turned out the vaccine didn't work or was only 20% effective....or another vaccine came out that was far cheaper....or, or, or, or.....they'd be grumping about what a fool he was to buy it without knowing what he was buying....
OR...if the US bought up all the vaccine, he'd be called a "racist-imperialist" (or something) for putting Americans first and not "sharing" w/ the rest of the world....
Yeah I’m sure most Americans are very grateful that their government didn’t waste money on a potential vaccine that could have saved many lives much better to spend it on bleach or vote recounts.
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Covid-19 vaccine: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK (BBC)
A 90-year-old woman has become the first person to be given a Covid jab as part of the mass vaccination programme being rolled out across the UK.
Margaret Keenan, who turns 91 next week, said it was the "best early birthday present".
She was given the injection at 06:31 GMT - the first of 800,000 doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine that will be given in the coming weeks.
Up to four million more are expected by the end of the month.
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This breaking news isn't going to help.
Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. more vaccine doses.
"Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. government additional doses of its Covid-19 vaccine, according to people familiar with the matter. Now Pfizer may not be able provide more of its vaccine to the United States until next June because of its commitments to other countries, they said."
[www.nytimes.com]
It’s amazing how these evil @#$%& end up in the halls of power they should be nowhere else but on the fringes of society.
Nate
Yeah...this looks bad NOW....but Monday Morning Quarterbacking is the easiest thing in the world to do (for non-Gringo-English speakers, "Monday Morning QB-ing" is the whole "hindsight is 20-20" thing).
This was all pre-testing and pre-90% efficiency rate and all of that....in other words, the purchase order in "late summer" was for a product that the entire world and every "expert" was unsure if it would even work....
a cautious approach was justified at that point....it's a new virus we still don't fully understand and a vaccine we understood even less (at that time)....
If he had bought them in "late summer" and it turned out the vaccine didn't work or was only 20% effective....or another vaccine came out that was far cheaper....or, or, or, or.....they'd be grumping about what a fool he was to buy it without knowing what he was buying....
OR...if the US bought up all the vaccine, he'd be called a "racist-imperialist" (or something) for putting Americans first and not "sharing" w/ the rest of the world....
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
Hurling insults rarely works to convince people to listen to you.
generally, it has the opposite effect.
just saying.
It seems to be the only way he can argue. As stated before, there can't be a debate if he's just going to act like a little kid.
Well, some cannot debate without hurling insults, unfortunately. I have respect for my fellow posters; I just don’t always agree. The UK’s tier system is genuinely confusing and controversial. I am not a covid-denier and nor do I feel we should just go back to a complete normality: face-coverings will be with us for a while. I just don’t believe another shutdown is necessary.
Shutdown is not necessary, I don't feel either. Safety precautions are great, wear the masks, practice social distancing, etc. but you can't cripple the economy.
I have a friend that owns a bar/restaurant who told me he was definitely going to have to shut down. Then he got some stimulus of some sort, $150,000! Which he said likely he will not have to pay back. I said "great" to him, but I am thinking to myself "jesus, how many bars are in my state and/or country getting similar? How many billions (trillion?) will this cost? Where is that money coming from? Our taxes I guess.
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
Hurling insults rarely works to convince people to listen to you.
generally, it has the opposite effect.
just saying.
It seems to be the only way he can argue. As stated before, there can't be a debate if he's just going to act like a little kid.
Well, some cannot debate without hurling insults, unfortunately. I have respect for my fellow posters; I just don’t always agree. The UK’s tier system is genuinely confusing and controversial. I am not a covid-denier and nor do I feel we should just go back to a complete normality: face-coverings will be with us for a while. I just don’t believe another shutdown is necessary.
Shutdown is not necessary, I don't feel either. Safety precautions are great, wear the masks, practice social distancing, etc. but you can't cripple the economy.
I have a friend that owns a bar/restaurant who told me he was definitely going to have to shut down. Then he got some stimulus of some sort, $150,000! Which he said likely he will not have to pay back. I said "great" to him, but I am thinking to myself "jesus, how many bars are in my state and/or country getting similar? How many billions (trillion?) will this cost? Where is that money coming from? Our taxes I guess.
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Shutdown is not necessary, I don't feel either. Safety precautions are great, wear the masks, practice social distancing, etc. but you can't cripple the economy.