You will find people in denial all over the world. Even in Norway, where we have done pretty well, there were some 200 or so people in denial, having a parade at our parliament building in Oslo yesterday. No masks, just blaming the politicians for taking their freedom.

The general attitude here is that almost everyone support the corona virus actions as done by our health authorities, as well as by our politicians. Schools are still open, but sure travel and hotels and bars and restaurants do suffer.

I do understand people who have lost their income are mad, and sure the pandemic is a nightmare, but we owe the people at risk to protect them. The elderly at nursing homes, and people with cancer, or other serious diseases, can not choose to ignore the virus. We will get through the winter, then the spring and summer will make things easier.

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I feel like I'm sheltering from an inevitable incoming storm - the mother of all corona storms...
We're already hitting record highs in various categories here in the US, and can't imagine it getting worse, but with all the recent travel and gatherings surrounding Thanksgiving, time to buckle up and hunker down.
Haven't felt this uncertainty since the initial restrictions began, and the thought of going to the store for necessities doesn't really seem to be necessary right now. Not being paranoid, but the vaccine can't get here soon enough. Hang tough everyone, and at the very least, wear a mask for the sake of yourself and others!

Stay safe my friend. I hear you.

It’s a joke here in NYS

THE AUSTRALIAN --- 30 November 2020



ROCKMAN

Who here, besides the obviously suspect poater, has actually tested positive for COVID-19? What were your symptoms and recovery time?

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Who here, besides the obviously suspect poater, has actually tested positive for COVID-19? What were your symptoms and recovery time?

I haven’t knowingly contracted the virus itself, but my brother did. He felt pretty rough for a week, but recovered and returned to work two weeks later. He’s a nurse and was working on a covid Ward at the time.

A colleague recently had covid and I was quarantined as a result. Obviously I’ve been fortunate, or just haven’t shown symptoms; as many don’t. The colleague has now recovered and is back at work.

Age and your general health are major factors in ones’ recovery time. The younger ones tend to recover quickly. With the elderly and those with serious underlying health conditions, it can be different. The vast majority who contract covid will be poorly for a while, but’ll recover and be fine. The average age of those who’ve passed from - or with - covid is 82 in England and Wales. That tells you something.

Yesterday, two male, early and mid fifty, were interviewed on Dutch TV while still in hospital. Both used to be very strong, healthy persons before Covud-19 got to them. The 56 years person was even active with extensive cycling and walking. Both had no underlying health problems.
Both went through hell! The 56 years old person, after many weeks (including IC) in hospital was still having major problems walking stairs f.i. taste gone, balance messed up, power loss, memory loss, eating-swallowing problems, etc.
And both are scared to death for any possible new infection.

And .... they are no exceptions in that age group ...

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And .... they are no exceptions in that age group ...

In German TV they presented a 34 years old doctor (lung specialist) who had himself a severe but asymptomatic course of COVID-19 - [www.DasErste.de] - (Pos. 56 mins).

My 25 year old son tested positive last week and has had symptoms similar to a bad flu. Achy, fatigues, and loss of taste. Feeling better now.

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My 25 year old son tested positive last week and has had symptoms similar to a bad flu. Achy, fatigues, and loss of taste. Feeling better now.

Best wishes to you and your son, I wish him a speedy recovery!

Through work, I’ve encountered a fourteen-year-old girl who’d died either with, or of, covid. The youngest victim I have personally come across. It does happen, but is extremely rare.

If you’re under 50 and with no underlying conditions, the prognosis should be a speedy recovery with little-to-know bother.

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My 25 year old son tested positive last week and has had symptoms similar to a bad flu. Achy, fatigues, and loss of taste. Feeling better now.

My brother is 26 and experienced the same. You’re son will be as right as rain in no time

US coronavirus cases by month in 2020:

March: 186,200
April: 883,199
May: 723,166
June: 845,736
July: 1,926,970
August: 1,479,756
September: 1,215,901
October: 1,940,522
November: 4,252,822

(As of 9 a.m. ET Nov. 30, 2020)

March: 3,768
April: 58,960
May: 42,099
June: 23,416
July: 26,164
August: 30,234
September: 23,341
October: 23,691
November: 35,983

(As of 9 a.m. ET Nov. 30, 2020)

13,454,330 coronavirus cases have been reported in the US.

At least 267,596 people in the US have died of the virus.
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Through work, I’ve encountered a fourteen-year-old girl who’d died either with, or of, covid. The youngest victim I have personally come across. It does happen, but is extremely rare.

If you’re under 50 and with no underlying conditions, the prognosis should be a speedy recovery with little-to-know bother.

My son's friend was a 42 year old nurse with no underlying health conditions and she died from it the last wave.

Most people will recover, many will have long term health issues and many will die. What is debatable? The only thing that is debatable is whether it is stupid to take the risk to one's health and the health of others with close contact.

Who thinks playing Russian Roulette is stupid? That's what people are doing here.



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Last time we had a pandemic like the current one was hundred years ago back in 1918-1920. Back then people did not fly across the states or world in hours. Back then the so called spanish flu killed mostly people in their early ages like soldiers and people age 20 or so. Back then there was a second wave. And a third wave. And a fourth wave. After every wave people felt more relaxed, and the virus hell was back. Nothing is new, except we do now have internet, with all sorts of rubbish info, making it hard to communicate real facts to many people.

Bjornulf

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You will find people in denial all over the world. Even in Norway, where we have done pretty well, there were some 200 or so people in denial, having a parade at our parliament building in Oslo yesterday. No masks, just blaming the politicians for taking their freedom.

The general attitude here is that almost everyone support the corona virus actions as done by our health authorities, as well as by our politicians. Schools are still open, but sure travel and hotels and bars and restaurants do suffer.

I do understand people who have lost their income are mad, and sure the pandemic is a nightmare, but we owe the people at risk to protect them. The elderly at nursing homes, and people with cancer, or other serious diseases, can not choose to ignore the virus. We will get through the winter, then the spring and summer will make things easier.

I have friends who say that you need to be exposed to germs or bacteria in order to get the virus under control or herd immunity. I do not believe in herd immunity. Why doesn't herd immunity work? Does it work under certain conditions?

Pharmaceutical company Moderna intends to apply today Monday to the US Food and Drug Administration for authorization of its Covid-19 vaccine.

The company will ask the FDA to review an expanded data set showing the vaccine is 94% effective at preventing Covid-19 and 100% effective at preventing severe cases of the disease.

Among the approximately 15,000 people who received the vaccine, 11 developed Covid-19.

Among the approximately 15,000 people who received the placebo, 185 developed Covid-19.

That amounts to a 94% efficacy for Moderna's vaccine. None of the 11 people who received the vaccine became severely ill, but 30 of the 185 who received the placebo became severely ill, and one of them died. The vaccine had similar efficacy rates for elderly people and for people in racial minority groups.

Moderna to apply today for FDA authorization for its Covid-19 vaccine (CNN)

Bjornulf

Herd immunity is used as an excuse to ignore the corona virus, and to keep business open as usual. No country in the world have tried that approach, but some countries have had a more relaxed rule set in fighting covid-19 than other countries. Data for those with more relaxed rules are not promising. They have far more deaths, and not much of "herd immunity".

You need 50% or may be even 75% immunity - from a vaccine, or from natural spread of the virus - in order to protect the virus from getting into homes with elderly and sick people. We do not even know if you are immune for more than may be six months or so, like the annual flu, where the vaccine just work for half a year. The corona virus is new, unknown, and antibodies does not seem to stay for ages, may be not even for a year. We just need more time to know. May be we will need a new vaccine every 6-12 months, we will not know until far into 2021.

From the Guardian report 12-Nov-2020:

Swedish surge in Covid cases dashes immunity hopes

In fact, all studies carried out so far suggest immunity in and around Stockholm is significantly lower than the national health agency predicted. Twenty per cent of Covid-19 tests in the capital last week were positive, compared with 16% and 8.4% in previous weeks, the national news agency TT reported.

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Many questions and answers to be found on the FDA website, and out of curiosity was wondering about animals (domestic and wild) getting infected with covid and spreading it to themselves and humans.

U.S. Food and Drug Administration

Q: What animal species can get COVID-19?

A: We currently don’t fully understand how COVID-19 affects different animal species. We are aware of a very small number of pets, including dogs and cats, reported to be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 after close contact with people with COVID-19.

Large cats in captivity, including several lions and tigers in a New York zoo, a puma in South Africa, and tigers in a Tennessee zoo have tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 after showing signs of respiratory illness. It is suspected these large cats became sick after being exposed to zoo employees with COVID-19.

The virus that causes COVID-19 has been reported in minks on farms in the Netherlands, Denmark, Spain, Italy, Sweden and the United States. Once the virus is introduced on a farm, spread can occur between mink as well as from mink to other animals on the farm (dogs, cats). Because some workers on these farms had COVID-19, it is likely that infected farm workers were the initial source of mink infections.

Recent research shows that ferrets, cats, fruit bats, and golden Syrian hamsters can be experimentally infected with the virus and can spread the infection to other animals of the same species in laboratory settings. Mice, pigs, chickens, and ducks did not become infected or spread the infection based on results from these studies. Data from one study suggest that dogs are not as likely to become infected with the virus as cats and ferrets. These findings were based upon a small number of animals and do not indicate whether animals can spread infection to people.

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Still a lot of mystery, but seems humans are more prone to infection and really bad symptoms (and death) than any other species.
I haven't heard of flocks of birds or wild herds of antelope (for example) getting sick and dying off...seems the virus favors humans over anything else?

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Many questions and answers to be found on the FDA website, and out of curiosity was wondering about animals (domestic and wild) getting infected with covid and spreading it to themselves and humans.

U.S. Food and Drug Administration

Q: What animal species can get COVID-19?

A: We currently don’t fully understand how COVID-19 affects different animal species. We are aware of a very small number of pets, including dogs and cats, reported to be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 after close contact with people with COVID-19.

Large cats in captivity, including several lions and tigers in a New York zoo, a puma in South Africa, and tigers in a Tennessee zoo have tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 after showing signs of respiratory illness. It is suspected these large cats became sick after being exposed to zoo employees with COVID-19.

The virus that causes COVID-19 has been reported in minks on farms in the Netherlands, Denmark, Spain, Italy, Sweden and the United States. Once the virus is introduced on a farm, spread can occur between mink as well as from mink to other animals on the farm (dogs, cats). Because some workers on these farms had COVID-19, it is likely that infected farm workers were the initial source of mink infections.

Recent research shows that ferrets, cats, fruit bats, and golden Syrian hamsters can be experimentally infected with the virus and can spread the infection to other animals of the same species in laboratory settings. Mice, pigs, chickens, and ducks did not become infected or spread the infection based on results from these studies. Data from one study suggest that dogs are not as likely to become infected with the virus as cats and ferrets. These findings were based upon a small number of animals and do not indicate whether animals can spread infection to people.

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Still a lot of mystery, but seems humans are more prone to infection and really bad symptoms (and death) than any other species.
I haven't heard of flocks of birds or wild herds of antelope (for example) getting sick and dying off...seems the virus favors humans over anything else?

Minks susceptible and pass it to/from humans it seems.

[www.who.int]

[www.usatoday.com]

Oh yeah, I do recall bv posting something about minks getting infected some time ago, but don't remember reading about this from the USA Today article:

"Earlier this month Denmark announced it would kill all 17 million of the minks raised there after confirmation that 12 people had been infected
with a mutated strain of COVID-19 that had spread from minks to humans. That strain has not been found elsewhere".

While here in the US:

"In Wisconsin, about 3,400 farmed minks have died over the past month after contracting the virus. And in Utah, about 10,000 minks have died since August".
The article then goes on to say:"There is no evidence that animals, including mink, are playing a significant role in the spread of COVID-19 to people.
Currently in the U.S., there is no evidence of mink-to-human spread. However, investigations are ongoing."


But...there's a link to another story in the USA article you posted that's quite freaky!

Dead minks infected with a mutated form of COVID-19 rise from graves after mass culling

Zombie minks

"Minks infected with a mutated strain of COVID-19 in Denmark appear to be rising from the dead, igniting a national frenzy and calls from local officials to cremate mink carcasses".



Yes there's a rational explanation, but still................freaky!

OK, I think that's enough Covid 19 research for me for the rest of the day ha - time to listen to some Stones....or some Beatles...or anything!!!

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Large cats in captivity, including several lions and tigers in a New York zoo, a puma in South Africa, and tigers in a Tennessee zoo have tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 after showing signs of respiratory illness. It is suspected these large cats became sick after being exposed to zoo employees with COVID-19.

Dreadfully sorry to hear about the puma and tigers but in all likelihood those cats had underlying medical conditions which made them susceptible to the virus. Cats like those need to be isolated for their own protection. But I’ll see the rest of you cats at the pub…twooonight!

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You will find people in denial all over the world. Even in Norway, where we have done pretty well, there were some 200 or so people in denial, having a parade at our parliament building in Oslo yesterday. No masks, just blaming the politicians for taking their freedom.

The general attitude here is that almost everyone support the corona virus actions as done by our health authorities, as well as by our politicians. Schools are still open, but sure travel and hotels and bars and restaurants do suffer.

I do understand people who have lost their income are mad, and sure the pandemic is a nightmare, but we owe the people at risk to protect them. The elderly at nursing homes, and people with cancer, or other serious diseases, can not choose to ignore the virus. We will get through the winter, then the spring and summer will make things easier.

I have friends who say that you need to be exposed to germs or bacteria in order to get the virus under control or herd immunity. I do not believe in herd immunity. Why doesn't herd immunity work? Does it work under certain conditions?

In nature, herds are not connected by airplanes, automobiles, bikes and various trains. Therefor herds are not a world wide population, which is a kind of reverse way of seeing how herd immunity can exist.

Natural herd immunity is not possible with the human animal in 2020 nor has it ever been from all that I've read and the only way what could be considered clinical herd immunity is remotely possible is with a vaccine but even that does not mean everyone will be immune (which at this point is questionable regardless because of length of time vs mutations/outbreaks) because it would require every person on the planet to get a vaccine.

That will not and can not happen.

Unfortunately your friends are wrong.

COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) yet alone all other viruses do not care about politics, liberty or ignorant and wrong opinions.

There is a good bit to read if you know where to look.

[www.healthdata.org]

[www.reuters.com]


geebus....this ought to tell you something about how this Corona Vaccine will be distributed.....

anti-malarial drugs have existed for (literally) 200 years...yet it's still the scourge of the so-called "Global South"....

secondly, Malaria and Dengue are "easily" survivable with clean water and Tylenol.

Lesson: I imagine the poor of Africa won't get the vaccine until it is already ineffective and the virus has mutated....

if they get it at all....

My wife tested positive Monday. So far a few fevers between 100-101.

My son came down with symptoms the day after, same thing, his doctor said no reason to be tested, should just assume that's what it is.

I called my doctor to ask what I should do, been slightly fatiqued for a week with slight headache, some achy joints, assuming I have it too (honestly thought maybe just seasonal stuff), but he suggested I be tested anyway (probably because i'm 56 and overweight). Going in about an hour.

My wife (54) has lupus and my son (25) asthma. So we're concerned but so far so good, both feel better today.

If that's it, we got lucky. Seems to affect everyone differently. But not going to count my chickens before they're hatched.



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My wife tested positive Monday. So far a few fevers between 100-101.

My son came down with symptoms the day after, same thing, his doctor said no reason to be tested, should just assume that's what it is.

I called my doctor to ask what I should do, been slightly fatiqued for a week with slight headache, some achy joints, assuming I have it too (honestly thought maybe just seasonal stuff), but he suggested I be tested anyway (probably because i'm 56 and overweight). Going in about an hour.

My wife (54) has lupus and my son (25) asthma. So we're concerned but so far so good, both feel better today.

If that's it, we got lucky. Seems to affect everyone differently. But not going to count my chickens before they're hatched.

Best wishes to you and the family for a speedy recovery. Are you in the US?



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The Flaming Lips have postponed their space bubble concerts until late January. Everyone in attendance was going to be in their own bubble. Wayne Coyne said he didn't feel it was right to have the shows (even though safe) with record numbers of cases in Oklahoma.

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My wife tested positive Monday. So far a few fevers between 100-101.

My son came down with symptoms the day after, same thing, his doctor said no reason to be tested, should just assume that's what it is.

I called my doctor to ask what I should do, been slightly fatiqued for a week with slight headache, some achy joints, assuming I have it too (honestly thought maybe just seasonal stuff), but he suggested I be tested anyway (probably because i'm 56 and overweight). Going in about an hour.

My wife (54) has lupus and my son (25) asthma. So we're concerned but so far so good, both feel better today.

If that's it, we got lucky. Seems to affect everyone differently. But not going to count my chickens before they're hatched.

Good luck fighting it. Feel free to reach out with any questions from someone who survived it. Hope you and your family can get through it.

Thank you and yes we are in the US.

More concerned about my 80 year old mom. The retirement home she's in ran out of flu shots so we got her out to get one and while we were at it had a quick home meal for Thanksgiving with my brother and our families (less people than you can count on both hands). So far she's fine.

Was quite a catch-22...do we risk taking her to a clinic for a flu shot (they claim could help if you get covid too)? Was no good answer.



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The Flaming Lips have postponed their space bubble concerts until late January. Everyone in attendance was going to be in their own bubble. Wayne Coyne said he didn't feel it was right to have the shows (even though safe) with record numbers of cases in Oklahoma.

Wayne is a stand-up guy.