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GasLightStreet
I've never really understood this: Washington is a STATE.
Why the need to say Washington State is ridiculous. It's as stupid as saying the Lower 48 (yeah yeah yeah, Alaska; however, it says without saying that there is an Upper 48, as in, 96 states).
There is a city named Washington in the District Of Columbia ie D.C. It's not a state. There are a few other states with cities named Washington.
Nobody says "In Seattle, Washington State...". Nobody says "In New York" meaning the city, they say "New York City". Nobody says "New Orleans City".
It's probably the same people that believe in chemtrails and flat Earth and listening microwaves and whatever.
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Why Stadiums Are Incubators for Coronavirus Spread
Sports fans are longing to return to the stands, but health experts say stadiums are one of the highest-risk areas for coronavirus transmission. Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease specialist, walks us through how easily the virus could spread among the crowd
[www.wsj.com]
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GasLightStreet
I've never really understood this: Washington is a STATE.
Why the need to say Washington State is ridiculous. It's as stupid as saying the Lower 48 (yeah yeah yeah, Alaska; however, it says without saying that there is an Upper 48, as in, 96 states).
There is a city named Washington in the District Of Columbia ie D.C. It's not a state. There are a few other states with cities named Washington.
Nobody says "In Seattle, Washington State...". Nobody says "In New York" meaning the city, they say "New York City". Nobody says "New Orleans City".
It's probably the same people that believe in chemtrails and flat Earth and listening microwaves and whatever.
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curt
The ‘Swedish Model’ Is a Failure, Not a Panacea
When economies around the world started grinding to a halt in an effort to stop the carnage inflicted by the coronavirus, Sweden stood out with an approach that appeared to defy the prescription of most experts. Instead of shutting down, the Swedish government opted for much milder measures. The idea looked appealing. It suggested the possibility of containing the pandemic at a much lower economic cost.
The final judgment on Sweden’s unorthodox approach cannot be rendered until the crisis moves into the history books. So far, however, the statistics suggest that the Swedish model is more disaster than panacea. If the pandemic ended today, the actions of Swedish authorities, which have so far earned the support of the population, may ultimately be viewed by future generations of Swedes as a shameful chapter in the country’s history, one that resulted in large-scale suffering and thousands of unnecessary deaths. ...
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Green Lady
Doxa: The UK government at first had some idea of following the Swedish model, but as you say, in a country where the health service was less well prepared than Sweden's, it would have been a recipe for disaster. Having seen what was happening in Italy and Spain, with hospitals overwhelmed, the message quickly became Stay Home and Protect the NHS (my italics).
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Svartmer
There has been restrictions also here in Sweden, just ask all the companies, retaurants and other entrepeneurs that have been going bankrupt because of the lack of customers, and all the elder people who has been isolated from their relativs for months now.
That said, I think it´s difficult to draw any conclusions about which country that has the best strategy as long as the pandemi is ongoing. Maybe a year from now we will see how well the different countries succeeded in this struggle. One thing is for certain, the virus doesn´t go away just because countries are closing down everything,it will just prolong the process.
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bv
Health care workers turn their backs on Belgian prime minister (Euronews 17 May 2020)
Health workers took a stand against Belgium’s prime minister on the weekend, quite literally turning their backs in protest as she visited a hospital in Brussels.
Sophie Wilmes was arriving in a convoy of cars, and medical and non-medical staff lined the road leading up to the Hospital Saint-Pierre, turning their back on her as she passed.
The government has faced criticism over its handling of the coronavirus pandemic, with Belgium currently reporting the highest deaths per capita out of any country.
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bv
I have been called a communist and a nazi and a dictator and a marxist and many many other names you would never use on a friend, not even on your enemy. I don't care what people call me, but when both red and blue individuals in USA call me by names that is fine by me. Then I know I am not that biased.
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Doxa
Thank you, BV, pointing out Belgium. For some reason, the situation there hasn't attracted much international interest by now (at least the news media I follow - could it be that we Trump-like just follow the big, absolute numbers?), but the fatalities per capita are terrible there. I wonder what is the story there - is there a good reason to protest chosen politics or is that the shit just happened, the bloody virus initially spread so quickly that there was not much one can do (like in some parts of Italy, Spain and France).
- Doxa
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GasLightStreet
I've never really understood this: Washington is a STATE.
Why the need to say Washington State is ridiculous. It's as stupid as saying the Lower 48 (yeah yeah yeah, Alaska; however, it says without saying that there is an Upper 48, as in, 96 states).
There is a city named Washington in the District Of Columbia ie D.C. It's not a state. There are a few other states with cities named Washington.
Nobody says "In Seattle, Washington State...". Nobody says "In New York" meaning the city, they say "New York City". Nobody says "New Orleans City".
It's probably the same people that believe in chemtrails and flat Earth and listening microwaves and whatever.
I do it for the benefit of our European & elsewhere friends. It can get confusing. Like NYC vs New York State. Just trying to cut down on misunderstandings. If this were a predominantly American crowd I wouldn't do it.
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MisterDDDD
Very effective silent protest by the medical staff in Belgium.
Unfortunately, when something is effective, people will find a way to use it for their own purposes.
This is from yesterday, notice the creases on the uniform indicating brand new out of a package and the hand drawn 'RN" badge. Despicable.
Then there was this last month.
Arizona GOP chair encourages anti-stay-at-home protesters to dress like health care workers
Washington (CNN)The chairwoman of the Arizona Republican Party is encouraging people planning to protest stay-at-home orders imposed amid the coronavirus pandemic to dress like health care workers.
Recently, several health care workers around the country have worn their scrubs and medical gear to counterprotest against people calling for states to reopen against the urgings of medical experts.
Dr. Kelli Ward, a former state senator and primary care physician, tweeted on Friday that people participating in protests to end the government-imposed closures of regular business should wear scrubs and masks.
"Planning protest to #ReOpenAmerica? EVERYONE wear scrubs & masks - the media doesn't care if you are really in healthcare or not - it's the 'message' that matters," she wrote.
[www.cnn.com]
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Green Lady
Doxa: The UK government at first had some idea of following the Swedish model, but as you say, in a country where the health service was less well prepared than Sweden's, it would have been a recipe for disaster. Having seen what was happening in Italy and Spain, with hospitals overwhelmed, the message quickly became Stay Home and Protect the NHS (my italics).
Partly true.
The biggest single factor though was the unequivocal guidance of scientists from Imperial College who had modelled the number of deaths if little was done, or if 'the curve was flattened'. This was released on March 16th. It is what the 'lockdown/isolate' policy was based around.
I'm pretty sure that Boris had a preview, and policy was changed in days. (I'm pretty sure that I posted here about it at the time, recognising that Boris had heeded advice and done a backflilp). Several levels of the heirarchy of scientific advisers to HM Govt are based at IC and would have fed this up the food chain as soon as they learnt of it.
By mid-march the number of cases in Spain and Italy were about 8k and 16k respectively (from the JHU site). I can't find a way to look at deaths by date in those countries, but looking at the cases and the timeframes, there would not by then have been the terrifying high numbers that we now seem to accept.
Edit: 250 deaths in Italy and 3 in Sweden by March 13th.
If anyone wants a copy of that paper, let me know.
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daspyknows
A few weeks ago I predicted the top 3 would be U.S., Russia and Brazil.
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MisterDDDD
Very effective silent protest by the medical staff in Belgium.
Unfortunately, when something is effective, people will find a way to use it for their own purposes.
This is from yesterday, notice the creases on the uniform indicating brand new out of a package and the hand drawn 'RN" badge. Despicable.
Then there was this last month.
Arizona GOP chair encourages anti-stay-at-home protesters to dress like health care workers
Washington (CNN)The chairwoman of the Arizona Republican Party is encouraging people planning to protest stay-at-home orders imposed amid the coronavirus pandemic to dress like health care workers.
Recently, several health care workers around the country have worn their scrubs and medical gear to counterprotest against people calling for states to reopen against the urgings of medical experts.
Dr. Kelli Ward, a former state senator and primary care physician, tweeted on Friday that people participating in protests to end the government-imposed closures of regular business should wear scrubs and masks.
"Planning protest to #ReOpenAmerica? EVERYONE wear scrubs & masks - the media doesn't care if you are really in healthcare or not - it's the 'message' that matters," she wrote.
[www.cnn.com]
HAND DRAWN "RN" Badge....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!
holy crap....that's so horrible/awesome
I have to laugh, b/c otherwise I'd probably cry.
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daspyknows
A few weeks ago I predicted the top 3 would be U.S., Russia and Brazil.
Happy for you.
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MisterDDDD
Sweden Stayed Open. A Deadly Month Shows the Risks.
Sweden’s outbreak has been far deadlier than those of its neighbors, but it’s still better off than many countries that enforced strict lockdowns.
By late March, nearly every country in Europe had closed schools and businesses, restricted travel and ordered citizens to stay home. But one country stood out for its decision to stay open: Sweden.
The country’s moderated response to the coronavirus outbreak has drawn praise from some American politicians, who see Sweden as a possible model for the United States as it begins to reopen. “We need to observe with an open mind what went on in Sweden, where the kids kept going to school,” Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, a Republican, said at a hearing on Tuesday.
But while Sweden has avoided the devastating tolls of outbreaks in Italy, Spain and Britain, it also has seen an extraordinary increase in deaths, mortality data show.
By late March, nearly every country in Europe had closed schools and businesses, restricted travel and ordered citizens to stay home. But one country stood out for its decision to stay open: Sweden.
The country’s moderated response to the coronavirus outbreak has drawn praise from some American politicians, who see Sweden as a possible model for the United States as it begins to reopen. “We need to observe with an open mind what went on in Sweden, where the kids kept going to school,” Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, a Republican, said at a hearing on Tuesday.
But while Sweden has avoided the devastating tolls of outbreaks in Italy, Spain and Britain, it also has seen an extraordinary increase in deaths, mortality data show.
Across Sweden, almost 30 percent more people died during the epidemic than is normal during this time of year, an increase similar to that of the United States and far higher than the small increases seen in its neighboring countries. While Sweden is the largest country in Scandinavia, all have strong public health care systems and low health inequality across the population.
“It’s not a very flattering comparison for Sweden, which has such a great public health system,” said Andrew Noymer, a demographer at the University of California at Irvine. “There’s no reason Sweden should be doing worse than Norway, Denmark and Finland.”
COUNTRY PCT ABOVE NORMAL
EXCESS DEATHS TIME PERIOD
United Kingdom
+67% 53,300 Mar. 14 - May 1
Spain
+60% 31,500 Mar. 16 - May 3
Belgium
+50% 5,300 Mar. 16 - Apr. 19
Netherlands
+50% 8,700 Mar. 16 - Apr. 26
Italy
+49% 24,600 March
France
+44% 28,500 Mar. 16 - Apr. 26
Sweden
+27% 3,300 Mar. 16 - May 3
Switzerland
+24% 2,000 Mar. 16 - May 3
Portugal
+15% 1,300 Mar. 16 - Apr. 12
Austria
+11% 1,000 Mar. 16 - Apr. 26
Germany
+6% 4,100 Mar. 16 - Apr. 12
Denmark
+5% 300 Mar. 16 - May 3
Norway
+0% <100 Mar. 16 - Apr. 26
Finland
+0% <100 Mar. 16 - Apr. 26
[www.nytimes.com]