Alarming story about COVID-19 spreading in Russia.

from article -

"And as the number of reported coronavirus cases in Russia grows, many fear the worst is yet to come."

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The issue countries like Tanzania face is medical care is almost non existent.

Prayer is useless, hot steam may steam the disease further and herbal remedies is like prayer. Once the virus spreads in the cities in Africa, South Asia and South America it will look like NYC without healthcare infrastructure.

Africa facing a quarter of a billion coronavirus cases, WHO predicts

But continent will have fewer deaths than Europe and US because of its younger population and other lifestyle factors

[www.theguardian.com]

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The issue countries like Tanzania face is medical care is almost non existent.

Prayer is useless, hot steam may steam the disease further and herbal remedies is like prayer. Once the virus spreads in the cities in Africa, South Asia and South America it will look like NYC without healthcare infrastructure.

Africa facing a quarter of a billion coronavirus cases, WHO predicts

But continent will have fewer deaths than Europe and US because of its younger population and other lifestyle factors

[www.theguardian.com]

A lower death rate maybe but fewer deaths? I doubt that with the medical care available? Have you ever seen what passes for medical care in the 3rd world? I have. Makes medical care in rural America seem like the Mayo Clinic.

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DONT LIVE SCARED.

That’s not living

Agreed Paranoia, money, or even your job is no damn reason to be scared - You have to go for it!! I got up at 3:30 this morning and worked hard!!! Take those elements out of life!! Kick Ass !!

There are some great comments today I must say

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There are some great comments today I must say

Lively thread this morning!

I haven’t seen this posted (excuse me if I missed it), this is a website with worldwide stats, developed by a US teenager and is apparently widely consulted now. Very up to date.

[ncov2019.live]

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Well the US unfortunately just hit 80000 deaths with a total number of cases at 1,346,717 so still around 2000 per day since my last update early last week. At the current rate, they'll hit 100,000 in 10 more days.
Total worldwide is now 4,010,000 with 278,000 deaths

New updated US figures, now 87000 deaths and 1.455 million cases. Average daily numbers has dropped from around 2000 per day to around 1400 so that's a good sign. Not a good sign is news reports of people crowding into bars, etc. as states start to reopen. Worldwide total is now 4.52 million cases and 303000 deaths. Keep an eye on Brazil, the numbers there are starting to explode.

the total deaths in washington state will surpass 1,000 this weekend, primarily in the seattle area.

Some good news today. No new deaths in Washington for the first time in a long time. Maybe we will take a bit longer to reach the sad milestone.

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The issue countries like Tanzania face is medical care is almost non existent.

Prayer is useless, hot steam may steam the disease further and herbal remedies is like prayer. Once the virus spreads in the cities in Africa, South Asia and South America it will look like NYC without healthcare infrastructure.

Africa facing a quarter of a billion coronavirus cases, WHO predicts

But continent will have fewer deaths than Europe and US because of its younger population and other lifestyle factors

[www.theguardian.com]

A lower death rate maybe but fewer deaths? I doubt that with the medical care available? Have you ever seen what passes for medical care in the 3rd world? I have. Makes medical care in rural America seem like the Mayo Clinic.

Those words were quoted from the article, so don't shoot the messenger!

And yes, as someone who's spent decades living/working in developing countries (and mostly in Africa), I am quite familiar with the overall status of their health-care systems. But even the state-of-the-art medical facilities available in some of them, e.g. the Gulf states, don't mean much if you're one of the millions of migrant workers now stranded in overcrowded substandard accommodation that is a coronavirus hotbed, some of them also too scared to seek treatment if their papers are not in order. As the saying goes, geography is destiny. And we are the lucky ones.

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Well the US unfortunately just hit 80000 deaths with a total number of cases at 1,346,717 so still around 2000 per day since my last update early last week. At the current rate, they'll hit 100,000 in 10 more days.
Total worldwide is now 4,010,000 with 278,000 deaths

New updated US figures, now 87000 deaths and 1.455 million cases. Average daily numbers has dropped from around 2000 per day to around 1400 so that's a good sign. Not a good sign is news reports of people crowding into bars, etc. as states start to reopen. Worldwide total is now 4.52 million cases and 303000 deaths. Keep an eye on Brazil, the numbers there are starting to explode.

the total deaths in washington state will surpass 1,000 this weekend, primarily in the seattle area.

Some good news today. No new deaths in Washington for the first time in a long time. Maybe we will take a bit longer to reach the sad milestone.

That's great news. Northern California doing better too due to following the plan. Will be interesting to see the statistics from May 1 to June 15 by state. Will see who is correct when it people being smart and careful by state and where sheeple rule.

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I haven’t seen this posted (excuse me if I missed it), this is a website with worldwide stats, developed by a US teenager and is apparently widely consulted now. Very up to date.

[ncov2019.live]

livescience.com has, from what I can tell, more up to date numbers, for the US anyway, than that site.

Biggest issue in the US right now behind places opening up too early, is we don't have a National Strategy on testing. Still.

We have this however, which appears to actually be a strategy, so perhaps I am wrong. We have a National No Testing strategy.

"When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn't do any testing we would have very few cases."



Go US! We're number 40!.. We're number 40!..
The U.S. was at 26.31 tests per 1,000 people as of May 9. That’s more than South Korea, but less than Iceland, Denmark, Italy, New Zealand, Switzerland, Austria, Australia, Canada, Belgium, Germany, Russia and Spain, among others. Worldometer, a data aggregation website, listed 39 countries and territories with higher per-capita testing rates than the U.S. as of May 12.
[www.factcheck.org]

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Biggest issue in the US right now behind places opening up too early, is we don't have a National Strategy on testing. Still.

We have this however, which appears to actually be a strategy, so perhaps I am wrong. We have a National No Testing strategy.

"When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn't do any testing we would have very few cases."



Go US! We're number 40!.. We're number 40!..
The U.S. was at 26.31 tests per 1,000 people as of May 9. That’s more than South Korea, but less than Iceland, Denmark, Italy, New Zealand, Switzerland, Austria, Australia, Canada, Belgium, Germany, Russia and Spain, among others. Worldometer, a data aggregation website, listed 39 countries and territories with higher per-capita testing rates than the U.S. as of May 12.
[www.factcheck.org]

Trump only counts number of tests. Per 1,000 people requires complex math. It's like science. its a hoax.



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Canadians seeking to keep U.S. border closed to non-essential travel another month
"Canadian media outlets are reporting the U.S. Canadian border may remain closed to non-essential travel for an additional month due to the coronavirus pandemic.

The border was first closed for 30 days to all travel deemed non-essential on March 21 in an effort to slow the spread of COVID-19 between the two countries. In mid-April, the closure was extended to May 21.

But with that date approaching, the Toronto Globe and Mail is reporting that the closure will likely be extended until June 21, citing two unnamed Canadian officials with knowledge of talks between the two countries.

The sources told the Globe and Mail that Canada has asked to roll over the extension and that it is “almost certain” the United States will agree to the proposal."
[www.bellinghamherald.com]

The Canadian border closing hits home for me..
I live close, and have extended family still living in Canada as well.
Won't be visiting for a while even after the border opens though.. can't blame the Canadians wanting to keep it closed, and I'm not going to push the issue..

As a kid, I used to live a block from this Peace Arch park and border.
Worked at it for a couple of summers as well. It had never closed until this.
Park is back open now, but border still closed.

COVID-19: Families reunited as Peace Arch Provincial Park reopens



Josh Bennett drove five hours Thursday for a few stolen moments beneath the Peace Arch with his sweetheart.

The symbolic significance of the white concrete monument straddling the border between Canada and the U.S. was obvious as dozens of cross-border couples and families met on the grounds of Peace Arch Park after almost eight weeks apart.

Access to the international park, which encompasses Peace Arch Provincial Park in Surrey and Peace Arch Historical State Park in Blaine, Wash., was restored Thursday as B.C. reopened many provincial parks to visitors.

“We’ll stay until it closes,” said Bennett as he waited for his girlfriend to arrive. “I have food and flowers.”

Bennett is from Portland, Ore. His girlfriend lives in Surrey. They met in November at a church conference and began dating in February. Before the COVID-19 pandemic closed the border to non-essential travel, he drove up almost every weekend to see her.
[vancouversun.com]

The Media and even this forum counts the points against Trump or Fox News. it is recommended that these type of posts refrained let's stick with scientific articles. We are at least at 86 k fatalities last seen count. In my opinion, politics needs to be omitted from this topic as it distorts our ability to learn and protect our own lives. Jeez.

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The Media and even this forum counts the points against Trump or Fox News. it is recommended that these type of posts refrained let's stick with scientific articles. We are at least at 86 k fatalities last seen count. In my opinion, politics needs to be omitted from this topic as it distorts our ability to learn and protect our own lives. Jeez.

It's been made political by politicians and "politicians". Although I'm not positive in terms of every country in the world it seems that most people live "under" some kind of politicians having something to do with their lives (for example, in the United States, socialist capitalism is responsible for just about everything) so...

Real news? I dunno. I used to think the BBC was real but it seems perhaps that's not the case anymore? News in the United States is awful. In fact, there are people that assume that local Fox news stations are part of the beyond laughable Fox "News" - they're not. But facts don't matter.

PBS?

Many US states that have reopened have not seen a spike in cases, hospitalizations or deaths.
Why is this not widely reported in the media?
Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas have all been open 2 weeks or more.

Here is the Covid-19 Data - Georgia Department of Public Health
[dph.georgia.gov]

Texas sees deadliest COVID-19 day so far with 58 deaths

DALLAS (AP) — Texas saw its deadliest COVID-19 day of the coronavirus pandemic so far, with state officials reporting 58 deaths during a time span between Wednesday and Thursday afternoon, according to state tabulations.

In Corpus Christi, 63 workers of the 747 employees, contractors and vendors at the STX Beef processing plant tested positive for COVID-19, Nueces County health officials said
[www.krgv.com]

New COVID-19 cases up in Sarasota-Manatee over last 10 days
Sarasota County had 94 new coronavirus cases in the 10 days between May 4 and May 13, compared to 71 new cases in the 10 days prior.

Manatee County tallied 179 new coronavirus cases between May 4 and May 13, compared to 152 new cases during the previous 10 days.
[www.heraldtribune.com]



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The Canadian border closing hits home for me..
I live close, and have extended family still living in Canada as well.
Won't be visiting for a while even after the border opens though.. can't blame the Canadians wanting to keep it closed, and I'm not going to push the issue..

As a kid, I used to live a block from this Peace Arch park and border.
Worked at it for a couple of summers as well. It had never closed until this.
Park is back open now, but border still closed.

COVID-19: Families reunited as Peace Arch Provincial Park reopens



Josh Bennett drove five hours Thursday for a few stolen moments beneath the Peace Arch with his sweetheart.

The symbolic significance of the white concrete monument straddling the border between Canada and the U.S. was obvious as dozens of cross-border couples and families met on the grounds of Peace Arch Park after almost eight weeks apart.

Access to the international park, which encompasses Peace Arch Provincial Park in Surrey and Peace Arch Historical State Park in Blaine, Wash., was restored Thursday as B.C. reopened many provincial parks to visitors.

“We’ll stay until it closes,” said Bennett as he waited for his girlfriend to arrive. “I have food and flowers.”

Bennett is from Portland, Ore. His girlfriend lives in Surrey. They met in November at a church conference and began dating in February. Before the COVID-19 pandemic closed the border to non-essential travel, he drove up almost every weekend to see her.
[vancouversun.com]

Hey MrDDDD, I know from this thread you're down in Birch Bay. Hopefully the border stays closed for a while yet. In BC, numbers are low and things are starting to reopen so that's good. What amazes me is that I still see a number of vehicles with Alberta license plates. What the hell are you doing out here? The numbers in Alberta are worse than BC and Calgary still has a large number of positive cases. People are still been told don't travel this weekend but highways were pretty busy yesterday and I'm sure will be even busier today.
I've read news stories about small Alaska towns on the BC border that rely on coming across the border for food/medicine, etc. that are having problems. I haven't read lately what the people in Pt.Roberts are doing. I did read that people from BC who own property down there aren't allowed to cross to check up on their houses because that's not considered essential.

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Hey MrDDDD, I know from this thread you're down in Birch Bay. Hopefully the border stays closed for a while yet. In BC, numbers are low and things are starting to reopen so that's good. What amazes me is that I still see a number of vehicles with Alberta license plates. What the hell are you doing out here? The numbers in Alberta are worse than BC and Calgary still has a large number of positive cases. People are still been told don't travel this weekend but highways were pretty busy yesterday and I'm sure will be even busier today.
I've read news stories about small Alaska towns on the BC border that rely on coming across the border for food/medicine, etc. that are having problems. I haven't read lately what the people in Pt.Roberts are doing. I did read that people from BC who own property down there aren't allowed to cross to check up on their houses because that's not considered essential.

Yeah.. saw that in B Bay that a lot of Canadian owned places were sitting empty.
Seems like it would be essential to cross if you owned property, but surprisingly not.
Several Canadian owned trailers burnt during a campground fire in our county as well.

You nailed why I win't be crossing over anytime soon.
While I am fluent in Canadian, my license plates are definitely not
Looking forward to my favorite White Spot burger maybe later this summer though

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Hey MrDDDD, I know from this thread you're down in Birch Bay. Hopefully the border stays closed for a while yet. In BC, numbers are low and things are starting to reopen so that's good. What amazes me is that I still see a number of vehicles with Alberta license plates. What the hell are you doing out here? The numbers in Alberta are worse than BC and Calgary still has a large number of positive cases. People are still been told don't travel this weekend but highways were pretty busy yesterday and I'm sure will be even busier today.
I've read news stories about small Alaska towns on the BC border that rely on coming across the border for food/medicine, etc. that are having problems. I haven't read lately what the people in Pt.Roberts are doing. I did read that people from BC who own property down there aren't allowed to cross to check up on their houses because that's not considered essential.

Yeah.. saw that in B Bay that a lot of Canadian owned places were sitting empty.
Seems like it would be essential to cross if you owned property, but surprisingly not.
Several Canadian owned trailers burnt during a campground fire in our county as well.

You nailed why I win't be crossing over anytime soon.
While I am fluent in Canadian, my license plates are definitely not
Looking forward to my favorite White Spot burger maybe later this summer though

Haha, glad you're fluent in Canadian! Whitespot, my favourite restaurant chain! Just got takeout from there this week!

CDC tracks 12 different forecasting models of possible #COVID19 deaths in the US. As of May 11, all forecast an increase in deaths in the coming weeks and a cumulative total exceeding 100,000 by June 1. See national & state forecasts:



This week’s national-level forecasting includes 12 individual forecasts, and all indicate an increase in deaths in the coming weeks. Predicted rates of increase differ among the forecasts, depending on assumptions about the strength and coverage of social distancing behaviors.
The National Ensemble Forecast suggests that the number of cumulative reported deaths are likely to exceed 100,000 by June 1st.
State-level ensemble forecasts indicate that states with low numbers of deaths reported to date are not likely to see a rapid rise in the coming weeks, while states with high numbers of deaths reported to date are likely to see substantial increases
[www.cdc.gov]

[www.theguardian.com]

we have to prepare ourselves for this very-real possibility and stop believing that a 100% cure-all "vaccine" is guaranteed as long as we just "wait it out"

what is our plan if Corona never goes away? B/c permanent-lockdown, seasonal-lockdown etc. etc. is not sustainable...economically, mentally etc.

it's not. that's as much of a fact as anything.

At some point, we are going to have to ask ourselves: "What death-toll is acceptable?"

it's morbid...but, that's how life works...calculated acceptable risks. We take it every time we get in a car (and i know this isn't car-wrecks or whatever, it's just an example)

I know it is not the flu....but, accepted death-tolls is where we are at w/ the flu...it kills lots of people...most of them old and/or overweight and/or in poor health for one reason or another.....we've accepted that.

maybe w/ Corona we need to "wait" (to a degree) for another year to "see what happens"...

but, if we are right back at this same point next year w/ the economy, mental health, suicides, spousal abuse, child abuse etc. even worse, (b/c that's ALL guaranteed if we continue this way).....well....some very difficult choices are going to have to be made.

If 80% of the Coronavirus deaths continue to be people over 65 (and most of them b/c of diet-related health issues, like obesity).....well....let's just say tough choices will need to be made....hard times = hard choices

[www.businessinsider.com]

I don't know the answer, but we need to prepare for a world where Corona never goes away.


So, for starters: Wear Ya Mask! Wash Ya Hands!

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[www.theguardian.com]

we have to prepare ourselves for this very-real possibility and stop believing that a 100% cure-all "vaccine" is guaranteed as long as we just "wait it out"

what is our plan if Corona never goes away? B/c permanent-lockdown, seasonal-lockdown etc. etc. is not sustainable...economically, mentally etc.

it's not. that's as much of a fact as anything.

At some point, we are going to have to ask ourselves: "What death-toll is acceptable?"

it's morbid...but, that's how life works...calculated acceptable risks. We take it every time we get in a car (and i know this isn't car-wrecks or whatever, it's just an example)

I know it is not the flu....but, accepted death-tolls is where we are at w/ the flu...it kills lots of people...most of them old and/or overweight and/or in poor health for one reason or another.....we've accepted that.

maybe w/ Corona we need to "wait" (to a degree) for another year to "see what happens"...

but, if we are right back at this same point next year w/ the economy, mental health, suicides, spousal abuse, child abuse etc. even worse, (b/c that's ALL guaranteed if we continue this way).....well....some very difficult choices are going to have to be made.

If 80% of the Coronavirus deaths continue to be people over 65 (and most of them b/c of diet-related health issues, like obesity).....well....let's just say tough choices will need to be made....hard times = hard choices

[www.businessinsider.com]

I don't know the answer, but we need to prepare for a world where Corona never goes away.


So, for starters: Wear Ya Mask! Wash Ya Hands!

This article gives very good information about a proper way out of the twin set of economic and medical issues:

The importance of testing, tracing and isolating.



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[www.theguardian.com]

we have to prepare ourselves for this very-real possibility and stop believing that a 100% cure-all "vaccine" is guaranteed as long as we just "wait it out"

what is our plan if Corona never goes away? B/c permanent-lockdown, seasonal-lockdown etc. etc. is not sustainable...economically, mentally etc.

it's not. that's as much of a fact as anything.

At some point, we are going to have to ask ourselves: "What death-toll is acceptable?"

it's morbid...but, that's how life works...calculated acceptable risks. We take it every time we get in a car (and i know this isn't car-wrecks or whatever, it's just an example)

I know it is not the flu....but, accepted death-tolls is where we are at w/ the flu...it kills lots of people...most of them old and/or overweight and/or in poor health for one reason or another.....we've accepted that.

maybe w/ Corona we need to "wait" (to a degree) for another year to "see what happens"...

but, if we are right back at this same point next year w/ the economy, mental health, suicides, spousal abuse, child abuse etc. even worse, (b/c that's ALL guaranteed if we continue this way).....well....some very difficult choices are going to have to be made.

If 80% of the Coronavirus deaths continue to be people over 65 (and most of them b/c of diet-related health issues, like obesity).....well....let's just say tough choices will need to be made....hard times = hard choices

[www.businessinsider.com]

I don't know the answer, but we need to prepare for a world where Corona never goes away.


So, for starters: Wear Ya Mask! Wash Ya Hands!

This article gives very good information about a proper way out of the twin set of economic and medical issues:

The importance of testing, tracing and isolating.

It already has worked in New Zealand, South Korea and Taiwan

the US is not remotely comparable to any of these countries...

However, I agree with the necessity of massive-testing...whole-heartedly.

I take pause with tracing as this is going to be abused in the extreme.

Maybe I missed it, but the article does a lousy job of explaining what "isolation" actually means.

From what I could gather: if it means "stipends for those how remain in isolation" (meaning "not working"??)....OK for now as a stop-gap, but I don't see where this money is going to come from long-term....taxes to pay these stipends come from income/sales/transactions.

If it means "working from home if you can"....this is also OK for the short term, but janitors, food-caterers, secretaries and lots of other "working class" jobs depend on office-facilities being open.

if it means "build voluntary self isolation facilities" - uh-huh...we can't even get people to wear masks...no chance people will "voluntarily" go to these...no chance this will work...big fat pile of gov't-waste comin' up! Give the contract to Halliburton to build 'em!

I don't mean to be a dink...but, anybody who thinks the US Government is reliable and caring and efficient needs to go visit the VA Hospital...

The Gov't has a role to play, for certain...but, if people think the Gov't is gonna spend money wisely to help citizens, well...then I don't think they really understand what a bloated mess of corruption, pork-projects and military-industrial waste government spending actually is.....I can only speak to my country, the USA, in this regard...

that is not going to change, unfortunately b/c no politician is going to vote for anything that doesn't give them some pork to bring back home to their constituents....

The "answer" and "solution" is going to be up to us as citizens...for one, we need to eat healthier and exercise more in the long-and-short-term...

[www.bostonglobe.com]

In the immediate-to-short-to-possibly-long-term...the "answer" is simpler than we think....if people would simply wear masks, we'd slow this down quite rapidly....and be able to get back to work.

[www.forbes.com]

I'm a school-teacher and, well, if we have to wear those clear-masks (and so do students) all day to get us back in the building....so be it.

[www.wbir.com]



Wear Ya Mask! Wash Ya Hands!



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[www.cbsnews.com]


humans = the worst

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[www.cbsnews.com]


humans = the worst

Hard to believe.....
The nurse really blew it. What a fool.
I did not see a single mask in the video. The bartenders can easily wear masks, but nope.
If this is how people handle re-opening across the nation; we’re in trouble.

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humans = the worst

Yeah...just hearing that the sale of condoms is way up...and sale of fresh cut flowers is down 47%. Really? If you can get to the damn drug store...

Odd that a post about "Operation Warp Speed" - an article about the quest for a vaccine written by a science website - has been deleted as there was nothing political about it other than it had the US Presidents name.
Thought it would be newsworthy to note the lengths the US goverenment is willing to go to try and fight this problem.
I saw an interview clip last night of Alan Dershowitz - a self described left wing liberal (opposite of the President fyi)- and he praised the idea saying (to paraphrase) "all politics aside, I would think this is something that most everyone would get behind and root for". I'm not a Trump supporter by any means, but evidently mentioning anything positive about the current President and his goals is off limits here?

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