Prepare for less privacy
Whether in the workplace or the mall, people can expect that an opened-up world will involve more intrusive security measures and surveillance.

"Where it stands: While there's evidence that people are less concerned with privacy than before the pandemic hit — and more concerned with health — they still may not be ready for a world where their blood is tested for antibodies before boarding an airplane, as Dubai-based Emirates airlines has started doing.

The CEO of Delta, Ed Bastian, said the airline is considering "immunity passports" that would be required for boarding.

Other options could have a far broader reach.

Employers are entitled to mandate that workers get their temperature taken at the workplace (per a coronavirus-specific EEOC decision), report any symptoms to their boss, and get a COVID-19 vaccine if one is developed, per the WSJ.

Apple and Google are collaborating on an app-based system for contact tracing that "uses Bluetooth to determine if users have recently been in close proximity to someone with the coronavirus," Axios' Ina Fried reports.
While the tech giants envision an opt-in system, that would limit its utility, since it might not attract a critical mass of people.

People might exchange biosecurity information routinely — or even wear or carry a physical token signaling they're immune, he predicts.
"It sounds Orwellian to some, or draconian to others, but it'll protect lives."
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it's just a matter of time before something jumps the species-barrier from pigs/cows/chickens that runs rampant like Corona....

IMO, we need to self-examine and change our own practices BEFORE that happens...rather than finger-pointing and condemning what Indonesia is doing.

Sure, anything can happen anywhere at any time, and we can speculate endlessly on when or where that might happen.
The fact is though, Indonesian bat markets are presently more relevant (and a high risk) due to the fact that the coronavirus originated in bats in a wet market in Wuhan, China!
Not sure if "finger-pointing" is the right term when a bat market is currently the root cause of a world wide pandemic resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands.
Yes we need to self examine our own methods (and many changes have been made over the years), but right now the immediate priority seems to be focused on the coronavirus and it's origins - bats and wet markets.

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So Texas and Vermont will partially reopen Monday. I forsee a large jump in cases, perhaps not so much in Vermont since it has a small population. Large cities like Houston and Dallas might turn into New Orleans with the number infected.
I take screen shots on my cell phone from the Fox News website which shows current world and US cases. On Friday morning the US had 672246 cases and 33288 deaths. Today, it stood at 755533 cases and 41379 deaths. 8091 reported deaths in 2 days. At this rate, they'll hit 60000 by next weekend if they don't flatten the curve. Who knows where it'll be the weekend after that.

Just to update my numbers from Sunday afternoon, things seemed to have slowed a bit down in the US. Current US figures are 852703 cases and 47750 deaths so 97152 new cases and 6371 deaths or a little over 2000 per day. At this rate, they'll hit mid 50's by Saturday.

Another update for tonight, US figures are now at 956000 cases and 54000 deaths so 103000 new cases and 6250 deaths so still a little over 2000 per day. The curve isn't flattening but not increasing either. US will hit a million cases by Monday and hit 60000 deaths by Tuesday at the current rate. A couple weeks from now we'll see if there's a spike due to certain states partially reopening.

Another update, US figures now at 1049431 cases and 60640 deaths. Hit a million on Monday but deaths didn't hit 60k til today so a day later than I predicted in my last update. Under 2000 per day but by the end of the day, that number will rise but still seems to be flattening a bit.

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So Texas and Vermont will partially reopen Monday. I forsee a large jump in cases, perhaps not so much in Vermont since it has a small population. Large cities like Houston and Dallas might turn into New Orleans with the number infected.
I take screen shots on my cell phone from the Fox News website which shows current world and US cases. On Friday morning the US had 672246 cases and 33288 deaths. Today, it stood at 755533 cases and 41379 deaths. 8091 reported deaths in 2 days. At this rate, they'll hit 60000 by next weekend if they don't flatten the curve. Who knows where it'll be the weekend after that.

Just to update my numbers from Sunday afternoon, things seemed to have slowed a bit down in the US. Current US figures are 852703 cases and 47750 deaths so 97152 new cases and 6371 deaths or a little over 2000 per day. At this rate, they'll hit mid 50's by Saturday.

Another update for tonight, US figures are now at 956000 cases and 54000 deaths so 103000 new cases and 6250 deaths so still a little over 2000 per day. The curve isn't flattening but not increasing either. US will hit a million cases by Monday and hit 60000 deaths by Tuesday at the current rate. A couple weeks from now we'll see if there's a spike due to certain states partially reopening.

Another update, US figures now at 1049431 cases and 60640 deaths. Hit a million on Monday but deaths didn't hit 60k til today so a day later than I predicted in my last update. Under 2000 per day but by the end of the day, that number will rise but still seems to be flattening a bit.

I will bet temporarily flattened. The original hot spots cooling but Georgia, Florida, Texas, Nebraska and a few others will make up the shortfall in a few weeks.

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Thought that some sort of peculiar religious ceremony in that pic before reading the headline and text of it being a prison.
Either way, wouldn't want to be anywhere near that situation coronavirus or not...

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That pic is disturbing...... Kind of like the bat pic.

ROCKMAN, you have some interesting newspapers down there!



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In Race for a Coronavirus Vaccine, an Oxford Group Leaps Ahead
As scientists at the Jenner Institute prepare for mass clinical trials, new tests show their vaccine to be effective in monkeys.

"In the worldwide race for a vaccine to stop the coronavirus, the laboratory sprinting fastest is at Oxford University.

Most other teams have had to start with small clinical trials of a few hundred participants to demonstrate safety. But scientists at the university’s Jenner Institute had a running start on a vaccine, having proved in previous trials that similar inoculations — including one last year against an earlier coronavirus — were harmless to humans.

That has enabled them to leap ahead and schedule tests of their new coronavirus vaccine involving more than 6,000 people by the end of next month, hoping to show not only that it is safe, but also that it works.

Scientists at the National Institutes of Health’s Rocky Mountain Laboratory in Montana last month inoculated six rhesus macaque monkeys with single doses of the Oxford vaccine. The animals were then exposed to heavy quantities of the virus that is causing the pandemic — exposure that had consistently sickened other monkeys in the lab. But more than 28 days later all six were healthy, said Vincent Munster, the researcher who conducted the test.
“The rhesus macaque is pretty much the closest thing we have to humans,” Dr. Munster said, noting that scientists were still analyzing the result.

The Oxford scientists now say that with an emergency approval from regulators, the first few million doses of their vaccine could be available by September — at least several months ahead of any of the other announced efforts — if it proves to be effective."
[www.nytimes.com]

Another news story on the Oxford vaccine. Hopefully this will work.

[www.cbsnews.com]

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Yes, a terrible situation for the inmates, no doubt. But let's not turn the wrongdoers into victims here. Those are members from different gangs in El Salvador being thrown together to protect other, less dangerous inmates.
If you are aware what kind of savage things those gangs do for a living, be it out of necesity or just for the thrill of it, there is no doubt that while precautionary measures need to be taken, but don't make them victims. Those are stonecold murderes, rapists and worse.
There are other groups of people currently suffering from being overexposed to the risk of being infected like nurses, childcare employees and many others. Think of them first before giving space to Maras and the like. And I say that to journalists, not to you especially Rockman, although you may want to reconsider what articles to post.

Dont worry calipachangero not sympathizing
or glorifying them .... fully aware that they are bad guys ...



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Prepare for less privacy
Whether in the workplace or the mall, people can expect that an opened-up world will involve more intrusive security measures and surveillance.

"Where it stands: While there's evidence that people are less concerned with privacy than before the pandemic hit — and more concerned with health — they still may not be ready for a world where their blood is tested for antibodies before boarding an airplane, as Dubai-based Emirates airlines has started doing.

The CEO of Delta, Ed Bastian, said the airline is considering "immunity passports" that would be required for boarding.

Other options could have a far broader reach.

Employers are entitled to mandate that workers get their temperature taken at the workplace (per a coronavirus-specific EEOC decision), report any symptoms to their boss, and get a COVID-19 vaccine if one is developed, per the WSJ.

Apple and Google are collaborating on an app-based system for contact tracing that "uses Bluetooth to determine if users have recently been in close proximity to someone with the coronavirus," Axios' Ina Fried reports.
While the tech giants envision an opt-in system, that would limit its utility, since it might not attract a critical mass of people.

People might exchange biosecurity information routinely — or even wear or carry a physical token signaling they're immune, he predicts.
"It sounds Orwellian to some, or draconian to others, but it'll protect lives."
[www.axios.com]

the road to tyranny is long & insidious.

1984-Great book.

California to close all beaches and state parks starting May 1

"Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA) sent out a notice to police chiefs across the state of California saying that he will be closing all beaches and state parks starting May 1.

While other states are opening up and welcoming crowds of people, Newsom is still urging social distancing to keep the state’s numbers low.

“After the well-publicized media coverage of overcrowded beaches this past weekend, in violation of Governor Newsom’s Shelter in Place Order, the Governor will be announcing tomorrow that all beaches and all state parks in California will be closed effective Friday, May 1,” the release said.
[www.rawstory.com]

Hmmmm...can't find any other sources for that story, and so far there's been no mention on the local news...maybe it will be on the 11:00PM news

From your link:
Via Bill Melugin

"BREAKING: A source has provided me with this bulletin that will be sent out to all California police chiefs notifying them that tomorrow,
Governor Newsom will announce the closure of ALL beaches and state parks effective May 1st in response to recent beach crowds in OC"

If true, not surprising after seeing the overcrowded beaches down in Orange County, but it kind of sucks they can ruin it for the entire state which has well over 1,000 miles of coastline: Calif. Coastline
And while it's in the best interest of everybody (especially down there), it's probably going to get a bit crazy down there when another heatwave returns this weekend.
As for me, guess I'll have to go back to enjoying the bike path...and maybe rebel by sneaking in to some secret spot beaches where there's not a soul in sight (except for seagulls).

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Edit: Just found a story from this morning that Laguna Beach (also in Orange County) will reopen for weekday mornings only. KTLA 5 News
They might be in for a surprise if this latest story above is true - they'll only be able to open for tomorrow morning, and then close up again on Friday indefinitely!

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Memo says California governor will order all beaches closed
A memo sent to California police chiefs says Gov. Gavin Newsom will order all beaches and state parks closed starting Friday to curb the spread of the coronavirus

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Gov. Gavin Newsom will order all beaches and state parks closed Friday after tens of thousands of people flocked to the seashore last weekend during a heat wave despite his stay-at-home order, according to a memo sent Wednesday evening to police chiefs around the state.Eric Nuñez, president of the California Police Chiefs Association, said it was sent to give chiefs time to plan ahead of Newsom’s expected announcement Thursday. A message to the governor’s office seeking comment wasn’t immediately returned.

Newsom this week targeted beachgoers in Orange and Ventura counties, calling them an example of “what not to do” if the state wants to continue its progress fighting the coronavirus. While many beaches and trails throughout the state have been closed for weeks, others have remained open with warnings for visitors to practice social distancing and more have reopened. In Newport Beach, some 80,000 visitors hit the beach over the weekend, although lifeguards said most people exercised social distancing. With criticism swirling, the Newport Beach City Council met Tuesday and rejected a proposal to close the beaches for the next three weekends. Nearby Laguna Beach approved a limited reopening. Beaches across San Diego County reopened Monday, with a few exceptions.

The governor’s order is sure to draw fire as pressure is building to ease restrictions and slowly reopen the state. Virus hospitalizations have been virtually flat for several weeks in California and the state has dodged the dreaded massive surge of patients experienced by New York and several other states.

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Hmmmm...can't find any other sources for that story, and so far there's been no mention on the local news...maybe it will be on the 11:00PM news

From your link:
Via Bill Melugin

"BREAKING: A source has provided me with this bulletin that will be sent out to all California police chiefs notifying them that tomorrow,
Governor Newsom will announce the closure of ALL beaches and state parks effective May 1st in response to recent beach crowds in OC"

If true, not surprising after seeing the overcrowded beaches down in Orange County, but it kind of sucks they can ruin it for the entire state which has well over 1,000 miles of coastline: Calif. Coastline
And while it's in the best interest of everybody (especially down there), it's probably going to get a bit crazy down there when another heatwave returns this weekend.
As for me, guess I'll have to go back to enjoying the bike path...and maybe rebel by sneaking in to some secret spot beaches where there's not a soul in sight (except for seagulls).

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Edit: Just found a story from this morning that Laguna Beach (also in Orange County) will reopen for weekday mornings only. KTLA 5 News
They might be in for a surprise if this latest story above is true - they'll only be able to open for tomorrow morning, and then close up again on Friday indefinitely!

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Another EDIT: Story starting to gain momentum > abcNEWS

Memo says California governor will order all beaches closed
A memo sent to California police chiefs says Gov. Gavin Newsom will order all beaches and state parks closed starting Friday to curb the spread of the coronavirus

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Gov. Gavin Newsom will order all beaches and state parks closed Friday after tens of thousands of people flocked to the seashore last weekend during a heat wave despite his stay-at-home order, according to a memo sent Wednesday evening to police chiefs around the state.Eric Nuñez, president of the California Police Chiefs Association, said it was sent to give chiefs time to plan ahead of Newsom’s expected announcement Thursday. A message to the governor’s office seeking comment wasn’t immediately returned.

Newsom this week targeted beachgoers in Orange and Ventura counties, calling them an example of “what not to do” if the state wants to continue its progress fighting the coronavirus. While many beaches and trails throughout the state have been closed for weeks, others have remained open with warnings for visitors to practice social distancing and more have reopened. In Newport Beach, some 80,000 visitors hit the beach over the weekend, although lifeguards said most people exercised social distancing. With criticism swirling, the Newport Beach City Council met Tuesday and rejected a proposal to close the beaches for the next three weekends. Nearby Laguna Beach approved a limited reopening. Beaches across San Diego County reopened Monday, with a few exceptions.

The governor’s order is sure to draw fire as pressure is building to ease restrictions and slowly reopen the state. Virus hospitalizations have been virtually flat for several weeks in California and the state has dodged the dreaded massive surge of patients experienced by New York and several other states.

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Dazio reported from Los Angeles.

Reported on KTVU Channel 2 in Norcal. The Fox affiliate. If some people weren't stupid this wouldn't be necessary.

Yep - KCAL 9 L.A. news at 10:00PM top story: "From Mexico to the Oregon border - all beaches to close"\

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In response to a possible closure, new statement from Orange County Supervisor Donald P. Wagner (who seems to be a bit of a moron):



Uhhh ...Medical professionals also tell us the importance of social distancing in fighting the coronavirus!!!
Congregating by the thousands on an overcrowded/packed beach without masks and other precautions is NOT what Medical professionals recommend!

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Washington state stay at home order will be extended past May 4. See link below for details:

Stay at home order

How and when to open up?

The corona virus will seriously affect us for 1-2 years minimum. After that it will still be around, but we might have a vaccine within 12-18 months, and hopefully there will be antiviral solutions to treat the worst cases. The virus is completely new. We do now know that as many as 50% may have the virus without symptoms, and they might pass on the virus. We don't know how if and how long people are immune, once they get it. We have just 2-3 months of data in the western world. Data from China are not reliable, and not to be compared. Some virus experts have clearly underestimated the virus, few have overestimated it. We will learn a lot more during the next few months to come.

Italy have had total stay-at-home rules for soon two months. They had a plateau of cases March 18 to April 12 of approx 4,000 new corona cases per day, and daily deaths plateau from Mar 20 to April 11. Total deaths per day have gone from 919 on Mar 27, to 323 yesterday, one month later. Also on daily cases, Italy are now down from a peak of 6,000 to yesterday 2,000 new cases.

USA had 27,000 new corona cases per day on April 1. Yesterday, it is still at the same level, 28,000 new daily cases. Daily deaths were 2,228 on April 7, and 2,390 yesterday. It would be very very risky to open up when there are no signs of any curves going down.

Countries and isolated areas who see 1/3 of their peak/plateau numbers are safe to start testing with slowly open up, as they test a lot and use their data to see if opening up is not making a lot more cases.

Some say that you have to open up in order to keep the economy going. Others say it is child abuse to keep children away from each other. What we all know, is that if you open up too much, like some countries did, and still do, then both the economy and the health system will collapse completely. You don't want to live in a place where you call for help, but nobody can help you. When all the hospital beds are taken by corona patients, then the economy will collapse. That is the main reason for taking control of the corona virus.

If the corona virus is let loose, it will still take a year or two until may be 0.5% to 1% of the total population die. This is not doomsday talk, it is pure facts. The fatality rate is 0.5% in a healthy population with proper health care capacity. When it is out of control and peaking, there will not be any health system in function, and the fatality rate will increase to 1% or 2%. That is why no country in the world have a total open up policy.

Luckily 90% of the would is now in lockdown. Also Asia, Africa, South America. We will learn from those who follow the data, and then we will be able to live and work with the virus during the next 1-2 years, until we have it under control.

There is no quick-fix, even if some seem to think so. There is no quick-fix, and there will not be any quick-fix any time soon.

Bjornulf

Happy 100th birthday today Captain Tom!

Two wartime RAF planes have flown over Captain Tom Moore's home to honour the war veteran and fundraiser on his 100th birthday.

He watched as the Hurricane and Spitfire flew overhead.

War veteran Tom Moore, who has raised more than £30 million ($37.4 million) for the UK's National Health Service (NHS) by walking laps of his garden, celebrates his 100th birthday Thursday.

Captain Tom: RAF flypast in veteran's honour

Tom Moore, veteran who raised $37m for UK health service, turns 100



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Luckily 90% of the would is now in lockdown. Also Asia, Africa, South America. We will learn from those who follow the data, and then we will be able to live and work with the virus during the next 1-2 years, until we have it under control.

There is no quick-fix, even if some seem to think so. There is no quick-fix, and there will not be any quick-fix any time soon.

This will also lead to an enormous increase of depression amongst people.

[www.weforum.org]

In these tough times, two great videos for inspiration and hope:

At the end of a storm
There's a golden sky

You'll Never Walk Alone - Captain Tom Moore, Michael Ball & The NHS Voices of Care Choir

Captain Tom Moore claims Number 1 victory with You'll Never Walk Alone | Official Charts

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Love Captain Tom! And the flypast was brilliant.

This is great news. Hopeful this is just the beginning of mass testing becoming available as testing and tracing are the only (short of a vaccine/effective treatment) ways to reduce infections/deaths and to "open up" the country.
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Los Angeles is now the first major US city to offer free coronavirus testing for all residents

(CNN)Los Angeles is offering free coronavirus testing to all residents, becoming the first major United States city to do so.

"We have the capacity so don't wait, don't wander and don't risk infecting others," Mayor Eric Garcetti said when he made the announcement at a news conference on Wednesday.
The testing became available Wednesday night and there is no limit on the number of tests residents can get, Garcetti said. Those who get tested at drive-thru testing sites can usually get results within 24 to 48 hours.
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Los Angeles is now the first major US city to offer free coronavirus testing for all residents

(CNN)Los Angeles is offering free coronavirus testing to all residents, becoming the first major United States city to do so.

"We have the capacity so don't wait, don't wander and don't risk infecting others," Mayor Eric Garcetti said when he made the announcement at a news conference on Wednesday.
The testing became available Wednesday night and there is no limit on the number of tests residents can get, Garcetti said. Those who get tested at drive-thru testing sites can usually get results within 24 to 48 hours.
[edition.cnn.com]

Hope they start this in Seattle soon.

Meanwhile, no comprehensive testing in Seattle, and “neighborhood watch” vigilantes are forming to dole out rough justice now that the police have stopped prosecuting misdemeanors due to COVID-19. It’s turning into the Wild West out here:

[www.google.com]

Sadly, the homeless will be scapegoated for the actions of a few bad actors and the inability of public officials to find solutions for the housing, mental illness, drug addiction and job training and job placement issues at the heart of the problem.

If the police stop prosecuting criminal activity, though, things could turn ugly fast.

If we are going to spend money on anything related to this virus shouldn't it be "free" test kits? This is our way out of this mess.

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Love Captain Tom! And the flypast was brilliant.

Now promoted by the Queen to honorary COLONEL!

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Meanwhile, no comprehensive testing in Seattle, and “neighborhood watch” vigilantes are forming to dole out rough justice now that the police have stopped prosecuting misdemeanors due to COVID-19. It’s turning into the Wild West out here:

[www.google.com]

Sadly, the homeless will be scapegoated for the actions of a few bad actors and the inability of public officials to find solutions for the housing, mental illness, drug addiction and job training and job placement issues at the heart of the problem.

If the police stop prosecuting criminal activity, though, things could turn ugly fast.

The mayor is a disaster as is at least part of the city council. All the mayor cares about is business. Take the bridge issue. They've known about the problem since 2013 & did nothing. & the roads are atrocious. There also seems to be a movement to grind traffic to a total halt. Very unfriendly to the disabled people. I've lived here most of my life & my disgust is at an all time high.