For information about how to use this forum please check out forum help and policies.
Quote
MisterDDDD
This is criminal. The feds who didn't order PPE supplies until mid-march are seizing shipments bound for places that did.
They deny it, but the facts show otherwise. Again.
Feds seize coronavirus test kit materials bound for Bellingham hospital and Northwest
"A delivery of test kit materials that would have allowed Bellingham’s St. Joseph hospital and other PeaceHealth medical facilities in the Northwest to run COVID-19 tests quicker were seized and diverted by the federal government to the East Coast, PeaceHealth reports.
The Los Angeles Times first reported about the federal government quietly seizing orders for medical supplies made by hospitals in a story Tuesday, April 7. Those seizures came despite President Trump directing states and hospitals to secure what supplies they could to deal with the coronavirus pandemic."
[www.bellinghamherald.com]
Quote
curt
I became curious about the situation with N95 masks...
I found this article:
About mask production
If it is possible to produce on the order or 200 million masks a day, then 40 days would yield 8 billion masks, enough for the whole planet.
If the price was even 10 bucks apiece that's only 80 billion per cycle.
Why not every rich country share that small expense and give them to everyone at no cost.
Quote
bvQuote
curt
I became curious about the situation with N95 masks...
I found this article:
About mask production
If it is possible to produce on the order or 200 million masks a day, then 40 days would yield 8 billion masks, enough for the whole planet.
If the price was even 10 bucks apiece that's only 80 billion per cycle.
Why not every rich country share that small expense and give them to everyone at no cost.
People in the western world have no experience of wearing face masks. Every human being touch their faces with their fingers more than 100 times every day. With a mask you would touch your mask and face probably 200 to 300 times every day. People in Japan and China have years and years of training in how to wear a mask, how to take it off, without touching the outside of the mask, packed with virus, and so on.
Just a basic thing like how to bend the little metallic thing on the mask over your nose... They know all about it in Asia. In the western world it's just a metallic thing, people don't know why and how it is supposed to be bent around the nose and face. You can not just implement a tool to the western world without training and motivating. It takes a long time to develop culture and understanding.
Quote
bv
I guess making millions of masks, and training the population how to use them, will be higher priority in the weeks to come. But before that, right now, there are more important tasks to handle, and they are absolutely free, no need to ramp up any production:
- Keep a distance of 2 m / 6 ft to other people
- Wash your hands properly and often
- Max 5 people together
The day everybody is doing the above, then we may think about wearing masks.
Quote
bv
People in the western world have no experience of wearing face masks. Every human being touch their faces with their fingers more than 100 times every day. With a mask you would touch your mask and face probably 200 to 300 times every day. People in Japan and China have years and years of training in how to wear a mask, how to take it off, without touching the outside of the mask, packed with virus, and so on.
Just a basic thing like how to bend the little metallic thing on the mask over your nose... They know all about it in Asia. In the western world it's just a metallic thing, people don't know why and how it is supposed to be bent around the nose and face. You can not just implement a tool to the western world without training and motivating. It takes a long time to develop culture and understanding.
Quote
VoodooLounge13Quote
bvQuote
VoodooLounge13
For me, personally, I am taking this time to learn about and invest in the stock market here in the US. Something I've been meaning to get back into for several years now, and this downturn has been the key trigger for me.
At one point in time this spring/summer the stock market will be at the very bottom. If you get the right stocks then, you are in for some great winning.
I am hoping so, BV. I really am!!
Quote
Manofwealthandtaste
Apologies if this is an ignorant question, but in the absence of a face mask is there any point in wearing a scarf (folded over a number of times) or is this useless? Would this be better than nothing at all? I ask because it appears many basic face masks do not contain any sort of filter and so their effectiveness must be in doubt.
Quote
bv
... as clearly stated from WHO ever since their messaging mid January, was TEST TEST TEST. ...
Quote
doitywoikQuote
bv
... as clearly stated from WHO ever since their messaging mid January, was TEST TEST TEST. ...
Regarding testing: judging from the news (constantly repeated there), one problem in Europe at least appears to be that (many? all?) states cannot test as much as they would like to because the required reagents are not available on the world market in sufficient quantities, so there is a limit to the number of tests that can be done e.g. in a day.
Quote
MaindefenderQuote
daspyknowsQuote
IGTBA
The US is counting COVID 19 deaths, by counting anyone who tested, or is presumed, positive who dies. So those who are very old and/or have serious other conditions will be counted as COVID 19 deaths, if they tested or were were presumed to be positive for the virus. That will make US deaths look worse on a worldwide scale, but it is indicative of the seriousness of COVID 19.
Does anyone believe the US already has more than three times the deaths from COVID 19 as China??? That's what the numbers show! The WHO numbers! What does that say about the veracity of the WHO's numbers?
US under reporting deaths. Unless they are testing the bodies as positive for Covid many states are not classifying as Covid deaths and there are not enough tests to do it. NYC is seeing lots of cardiac arrest deaths but not counting all as Covid despite the EMT's knowing. Some red states intentionally keeping numbers lower too.
Link to story please, God forbid there's some fake news floating around....
Quote
MileHighQuote
MisterDDDD
This is criminal. The feds who didn't order PPE supplies until mid-march are seizing shipments bound for places that did.
They deny it, but the facts show otherwise. Again.
Feds seize coronavirus test kit materials bound for Bellingham hospital and Northwest
"A delivery of test kit materials that would have allowed Bellingham’s St. Joseph hospital and other PeaceHealth medical facilities in the Northwest to run COVID-19 tests quicker were seized and diverted by the federal government to the East Coast, PeaceHealth reports.
The Los Angeles Times first reported about the federal government quietly seizing orders for medical supplies made by hospitals in a story Tuesday, April 7. Those seizures came despite President Trump directing states and hospitals to secure what supplies they could to deal with the coronavirus pandemic."
[www.bellinghamherald.com]
It's an article with essentially no feedback from the side of the federal government. Perhaps the supplies are being redirected to the New York area because the pandemic is much worse in New York and the materials redirected will do more good in that area? In other words the federal government is acting in the best interests of the country as a whole. I suppose it's possible.
The poor federal government is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Blasted by some people when they take action and at the same time blasted by others and accused of not taking any action.
And I don't mean you specifically MisterDDDD. It's just a generic observation about people in general. Life is so polarized these days and has been for a while!
Quote
bv
What is next, after we get the curve flat, and then going down?
The unemployment rate is 15% or so in many countries now. That is the price we pay in order to avoid a death rate of 1% - 2% of the entire population. We save many many lives. Also, we do that in order to have a health system capable of handling normal life, not just the virus.
Soon, when there are spare ventilators, when hospitals may start treating "normal" patients, routine work, hip replacement, back injuries, heart surgery, all those "routine" treatments now on hold, then we may start thinking about phase two - opening up.
South Korea and Singapore have just started opening up. They see how easy it is to get the second wave, it just arrives overnight, unless you pay very very close attention. Both have extreme testing capacity.
I live in Norway. We do now see the curve going down, and the government is slowly opening up kindergarten April 20, and children's schools grade 1-4 by April 27. They will not open until there are extreme rules to be followed, of keeping distance, preventing the further spread of the virus. It is a conservative and step by step opening, very, very slow.
Also, in Norway, we will ramp up to a test capacity of 100,000 tests per week by the end of April, to be timed with re-opening kindergarten etc. That is testing 5% of the entire population per week. If USA were to have the same testing policy, they would have to test 7 million people every week, being 66 times our population.
Testing is more important than masks. A lot more important. Just ask WHO, or Singapore, or Taiwan, or South Korea, or China. There is lots and lots of experience from Jan Feb Mar in these areas, they are several months ahead of us in learning. Then of course masks may be handy in very highly populated areas like Manhattan NYC etc, where people pack tight on the metro, in elevators etc.