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georgie48
... the 2017/2018 influenza killed more than 60.000 in the USA alone, and in my country 9400 (the current corona death figure is just under 100). How about other countries? No global (media and political) panic in 2018! I find that very strange, to say the least.
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Doxa
Happy24, I think it is better to not think too much or postulate unnecessary entities. Occam's razor. There is no plot, there are no hidden agendas by WHO or whatever instances. No games by nasty people or tests by nasty nature. There is just a pandemia, with which the countries all over the world are trying to cope with the best they can. That's the way the world sometimes is. The world and life is and always has been contingent: there are things that we cannot control or foresee to happen, and when the shit happens, like now, all we can do is just to react and act the best we can according to the best knowledge we have at the moment. Was this reaction the best tactics most of the world is doing now - the blockdown and social distancing - well, that's for the future to judge when all is sit and done. No one knows that for sure yet, but it's the best option we do have now. We do know no better.
- Doxa
Very well said, Doxa. It is just when I go through my thoughts during those last two weeks, I realize that more than several times I thought about some restriction and thought that THAT might actually not happen. And it pretty much always happend the next day. And the very worst scenario I could imagine was that they will not allow people to go out to buy food...and what it would lead to. And just today I read that the government thinks about it...
Plus when I read commets of people on internet, it really gets me down. I come from a post-commuins country and when you read discussions, it looks like most people think that the borders should be closed permanently, that communists got it right. Of course, those are hundreds, maybe thousands of people writing such things on the internet. I have no idea what those other millions think - whether mostly the same, or whether they still value freedom. There is this thought always popping into my head nowadays, that I would much rather live freely even with the possibility of dying on some virus (I mean it will happen one day anyway), than to live in a police state, which I am affraid we are headding to. And I have the feeling that people just applaud to it. I know, that is just my opinion, can't speak for anybody else and I absolutely don't want to say I am correct or that my opinion is better than the opinion of those people thinking the opposite. But it is really difficult for me to think that maybe right now we are loosing our personal freedom for the rest of our lifes, or at least good part of it. At least in our coutry our politicians will be more than happy to do that and it looks like they have all the people's support.
I know, I should stop following news on the internet. The thing is, that I have completely avoided any internet news for about 5 or 6 years. And we don't have a TV since 10 years ago. My life got much better... But just 2 weeks ago I started to check the news again because of the virus. And as I am really not used to it, it gets me pretty bad.
Anyway - I didn't know the "Occam's razor," had to google it. So I even learned something :-)
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EddieByword
"Two wrongs don't make a right".
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EddieByword
"Two wrongs don't make a right".
True.
Yet, my point is that we should address our own malpractices before pointing our finger to others.
And I am not referring to the obvious well known ones.
When I see prosperous realities like fast food stores, all-you-can-eat-for-10 euro meat and fish restaurants, hard discount food markets etc. where do people think that all the rubbish they are eating comes from?
After all the mad cow was 100% European ..,
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EddieByword
I am 60 and first heard of Mac Donald's in 1990 and have only ever eaten two since then. Never again.
Not all the Chinese eat bat either. Actually a very tiny bit.
- Doxa
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EddieByword
I am 60 and first heard of Mac Donald's in 1990 and have only ever eaten two since then. Never again.
Not all the Chinese eat bat either. Actually a very tiny bit.
- Doxa
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Chris Fountain
I actually think this pandemic has brought people together.
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keefriff99Heh. You just go on believing that one.Quote
Chris Fountain
I actually think this pandemic has brought people together.
Well I haven't been out in public since Monday, so I have no idea how well people are following social distancing guidelines. I need to go grocery shopping in the next day or two, so we'll see.Quote
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keefriff99Heh. You just go on believing that one.Quote
Chris Fountain
I actually think this pandemic has brought people together.
In a concerted effort - not social distancing - Thanks in advance for allowing this clarification
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keefriff99Well I haven't been out in public since Monday, so I have no idea how well people are following social distancing guidelines. I need to go grocery shopping in the next day or two, so we'll see.Quote
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keefriff99Heh. You just go on believing that one.Quote
Chris Fountain
I actually think this pandemic has brought people together.
In a concerted effort - not social distancing - Thanks in advance for allowing this clarification
My response, while cynical, was more in what I see online (not always the best of humanity, to say the least)...I see the same hateful, petty, divisive, selfish behavior among people that's always been there.
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angee
Bjornulf, thanks you for your post above, suggesting we avoid indiscriminate blaming and labeling.
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keefriff99
The fact that some people are pushing back so hard on the naming of this virus shows how irrational fear, panic, and hatred takes hold.
They just want to lash out and hurt people rather than try to elevate the collective discussion. It's why I have zero faith that America will rise to the occasion...people are going to start to getting shot in the streets once this thing really takes off.
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MisterDDDD
The coronavirus is killing far more men than women
Upward of 70 percent of deaths in Italy have been men. The question is: Why?
"With over 200,000 coronavirus cases worldwide and thousands of deaths, a striking pattern is appearing in the hardest-hit countries: More men are dying than women."
[www.washingtonpost.com]
I just don't understand what's going on in Italy...haven't they been locked down for a couple of weeks now? How could it still be spreading like this?Quote
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MisterDDDD
The coronavirus is killing far more men than women
Upward of 70 percent of deaths in Italy have been men. The question is: Why?
"With over 200,000 coronavirus cases worldwide and thousands of deaths, a striking pattern is appearing in the hardest-hit countries: More men are dying than women."
[www.washingtonpost.com]
They mentioned yesterday that "genetics" could be at play in Italy vs other countries. It's a bit hard to see what that could be but who knows.
Talking of Italy the latest numbers are in and they're dreadful :
New cases : 5986 - total : 47021
New deaths : 627 - total : 4032
The Chinese numbers are getting more suspicious by they day...
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keefriff99
I just don't understand what's going on in Italy...haven't they been locked down for a couple of weeks now? How could it still be spreading like this?