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Parts of the US have chosen Italy. I live in Ohio, and our governor had become pretty famous his overly cautious handling of this. We’ve essentially been on lockdown for over a week now.
Mixed feelings here in Wa state. Governor Inslee has been great.
Way early on social distancing, shutdowns etc., but also way early on identifying that the virus was present and killing people.
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Nate
It’s not surprising that both the U.K. and the U.S.A. seem to be sleepwalking into a disaster when the leader of the U.K. makes a joke saying we’re making a last gasp effort to produce ventilators and the White House referring to the virus as kung flu.
Nate
It wouldn't surprise me if we are all getting sand thrown in our eyes.
It was mentioned before ... the 2017/2018 influenza killed more than 60.000 in the USA alone, and in my country 9400 (the current corona death figure is just under 100). How about other countries? No global (media and political) panic in 2018! I find that very strange, to say the least. To me it more and more starts to look like a big comedy show over the lives of many sick (and deceased) people with possibly very deeply "hidden" underlying motives. Global monitary control or something else still invisible.
Time will tell us ...
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Hopefully the vast majority will survive this and by this time next year things will be looking up...............I do wonder though, if, apart from finding medical solutions now and for the future, the west will address the root problem which was China's propensity to allow the horrific abuse of animals especially in those 'wet' markets where all this started.
There is not one single animal welfare law in China. They can treat animals however they want and they do. (Boiling and skinning cats and dogs alive etc)
I used to see those places in Hong Kong in 1970 where anybody could just pick a live animal they wanted to eat and it would be slaughtered on the spot. All types of fowl and fish but also cats, dogs, monkeys, snakes etc etc....and I heard that in this particular market they had wolf cubs and of course the infamous bat where, supposedly, the virus came from.
They have no safe hygiene practices. They disgusted me then and still do..............I can't do much as an individual but I will be writing to my MP (Member of Parliament) and would encourage everyone else to do so too (MPs, Senators or whoever) to put pressure on the Chinese government before those barbarians kill us all too.
And that's not to mention the theft of elephant tusks and rhino horns to feed their insane ideas about aesthetics (tusks) and virility (horns).
I'm not comfortable using the word "barbarians", but at a certain point, it becomes more than "cultural differences"...there are outdated and cruel practices, completely bogus and scientifically-illiterate "cures" for illness, etc.
I have no idea how you address things like this with a closed off, authoritarian capitalist government that has become a massive cog in the world's economy.
Look at what happened with the NBA last year. A modest tweet about freedom from a single GM cost the sport half a billion dollars.
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EddieByword
Hopefully the vast majority will survive this and by this time next year things will be looking up...............I do wonder though, if, apart from finding medical solutions now and for the future, the west will address the root problem which was China's propensity to allow the horrific abuse of animals especially in those 'wet' markets where all this started.
There is not one single animal welfare law in China. They can treat animals however they want and they do. (Boiling and skinning cats and dogs alive etc)
I used to see those places in Hong Kong in 1970 where anybody could just pick a live animal they wanted to eat and it would be slaughtered on the spot. All types of fowl and fish but also cats, dogs, monkeys, snakes etc etc....and I heard that in this particular market they had wolf cubs and of course the infamous bat where, supposedly, the virus came from.
They have no safe hygiene practices. They disgusted me then and still do..............I can't do much as an individual but I will be writing to my MP (Member of Parliament) and would encourage everyone else to do so too (MPs, Senators or whoever) to put pressure on the Chinese government before those barbarians kill us all too.
And that's not to mention the theft of elephant tusks and rhino horns to feed their insane ideas about aesthetics (tusks) and virility (horns).
It's very important that these practices stop, because they need to. Also should mention many Chinese eat the undigested food taken from the intestines of a porcupine. They claim it cures cancer and diabetes. In India, Hindu's are drinking cow urine, which they believe protects them from coronavirus.
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Here in Canada on the west coast - it was just announced that as of noon tomorrow the border with the US will only be for essential travel - I'm very impressed with our Canadian Gov response to this, if we all simply follow the protocol I think we are gonna be fine. Our head of BC health Dr. Bonnie Henry has been an outstanding calming force to our area.
Stay safe all !!
I'm afraid to tell you this is very complacent. And I felt exactly the same way 3 weeks ago. I'm in London UK. We are 3 weeks behind Italy which as of today has around 4500 dead exceeding China
Um, er.... The population of China is SIXTY times the population of Italy. So, arguably, the milestone Italy passed was really passed long ago and they are far far more worse off.
Deaths per capita of population should be quoted.
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MileHigh
And to call the virus the "China virus" (or whatever) is not racist. Calling something based on its point of origin is just... normal.
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Nikkei
I've been raised a vegetarian so I basically agree with your point but still. Trying to identify the initial source is woefully pointless but if we do that still, what infamous bat? I have read we're supposed to blame a type of armadillo called pangolin. It's also just as pointless to lay blame on a specific country
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MWasilewski
Well, I still think that pandemic originating in China is not a coincidence. And I don't blame people but rather their law and government. I found this video from Vox particularly informative - I encourage you to watch it.
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Doxa
Happy24, I think it is better to not think too much or postulate unnecessary entities. Occam's razor. There is no plot, there are no hidden agendas by WHO or whatever instances. No games by nasty people or tests by nasty nature. There is just a pandemia, with which the countries all over the world are trying to cope with the best they can. That's the way the world sometimes is. The world and life is and always has been contingent: there are things that we cannot control or foresee to happen, and when the shit happens, like now, all we can do is just to react and act the best we can according to the best knowledge we have at the moment. Was this reaction the best tactics most of the world is doing now - the blockdown and social distancing - well, that's for the future to judge when all is sit and done. No one knows that for sure yet, but it's the best option we do have now. We do know no better.
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Nikkei
I've been raised a vegetarian so I basically agree with your point but still. Trying to identify the initial source is woefully pointless but if we do that still, what infamous bat? I have read we're supposed to blame a type of armadillo called pangolin. It's also just as pointless to lay blame on a specific country and it nearly always leads to people claiming someone released it on purpose. The one thing we can be sure about is we're never going to find out where it came from.
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Happy24
There is this thought always popping into my head nowadays, that I would much rather live freely even with the possibility of dying on some virus (I mean it will happen one day anyway), than to live in a police state, which I am affraid we are headding to.
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Nikkei
I've been raised a vegetarian so I basically agree with your point but still. Trying to identify the initial source is woefully pointless but if we do that still, what infamous bat? I have read we're supposed to blame a type of armadillo called pangolin. It's also just as pointless to lay blame on a specific country and it nearly always leads to people claiming someone released it on purpose. The one thing we can be sure about is we're never going to find out where it came from.
Bat or Pangolin, who cares?.....The point is the reason this virus got out is because of cruel, uncontrolled and unhygienic methods of slaughter in these 'wet' markets in China.
I don't agree that that there is 'no value' in identifying the source. An oncologist will always try and identify and locate the 'Primary' in order to take appropriate action in that location and prevent further and renewed spread of the cancer.
The west needs to start objecting to these Chinese (and other places if it goes on there) practices instead of always just having an eye on where the next buck is coming from.
Fat lot of good that has done everyone too, given how the world economy is now tanking. Gain a million bucks here but lose a billion there..............brilliant.
This post is about promoting the hopefully continued good health of people by suggesting best practice action to prevent a re-occurence of this situation, not politics.
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MKjan
In India, Hindu's are drinking cow urine, which they believe protects them from coronavirus.
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Nikkei
I've been raised a vegetarian so I basically agree with your point but still. Trying to identify the initial source is woefully pointless but if we do that still, what infamous bat? I have read we're supposed to blame a type of armadillo called pangolin. It's also just as pointless to lay blame on a specific country and it nearly always leads to people claiming someone released it on purpose. The one thing we can be sure about is we're never going to find out where it came from.
Bat or Pangolin, who cares?.....The point is the reason this virus got out is because of cruel, uncontrolled and unhygienic methods of slaughter in these 'wet' markets in China.
I don't agree that that there is 'no value' in identifying the source. An oncologist will always try and identify and locate the 'Primary' in order to take appropriate action in that location and prevent further and renewed spread of the cancer.
The west needs to start objecting to these Chinese (and other places if it goes on there) practices instead of always just having an eye on where the next buck is coming from.
Fat lot of good that has done everyone too, given how the world economy is now tanking. Gain a million bucks here but lose a billion there..............brilliant.
This post is about promoting the hopefully continued good health of people by suggesting best practice action to prevent a re-occurence of this situation, not politics.
The one who is without sin is the one who should cast the first stone
I could draw a long list of similar "unhuman" practices that are well accepted in our civilized western world.
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Singapore is the proof of the pudding.
If you take immediate action, test, test, test, investigate, contain every case, and do take the coronavirus completely seriously from day one, it will go away.
Total cases coronavirus positives = 345
Total deaths from coronavirus = 0
Population of Singapore = 5.6 million
Forbes:
Coronavirus Containment—What We Can Learn From Relative Calm In Singapore And Hong Kong
Widespread testing also took fold in Singapore which was quick to ensure that the city knew who was infected and forced isolation to prevent the virus spread.
Although there are still current restrictions in Hong Kong and Singapore, neither place has had to implement a forced lockdown, and life has largely continued in a sensibly cautious way.
Recovery numbers in Hong Kong and Singapore are on par or even outstripping new daily cases of COVID-19 now. Although it is too early to claim the spread of the virus has been defeated here, it has certainly been contained.
Many in Europe and the U.S. can look to the positivity in Hong Kong and Singapore. The difference, however, was the quick, early and sensible measures taken in these Asian cities right at the start, to ensure that wider lockdowns were not imposed.
Currently, for everyone around the world, the more positive outlook in Hong Kong and Singapore represent paramount hope moving forward.