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Captain Teague
Am I the only one on this board who thinks that the three Glyn Johns remixes are a waste of disc space? Given the recent FFSO leak, there were more interesting recordings available for real fans which the expanded release was aimed at.
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DandelionPowderman
Remixing Exile must be a pain in the butt for an engineer.
It's too big a task, I guess. Even though it's a bit "muddy", it's a fine-tuned machinery and a puzzle you don't wanna do again.
GHS was more up for grabs, with its "lifeless" sound (there are individual exceptions, though).
Perhaps the music on Exile "needs" that "muddy" quality to it, to be what it is?
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GasLightStreet
It's interesting to me that GOATS HEAD SOUP got a second life because of Giles Martin remixing it plus the extra material. What might be more interesting is that nothing else got that treatment. Sure, EXILE has the crumbs of extras and SOME GIRLS a little more and the same with STICKY FINGERS. But new life into an album?
Four Beatles albums have had that (the last four important ones). It's fascinating. Lost opportunity? I suppose no one will ever know why BEGGARS, BLEED, FINGERS, EXILE or SOME GIRLS didn't get new mixes (remixed). Didn't Mick say he didn't like the mix of EXILE? Maybe he actually doesn't mind it. Of course, it's really a matter of if he could be bothered.
Time is going by faster and faster for anything else to happen. Hopefully they do it sooner rather than never.
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GasLightStreet
It's interesting to me that GOATS HEAD SOUP got a second life because of Giles Martin remixing it plus the extra material. What might be more interesting is that nothing else got that treatment. Sure, EXILE has the crumbs of extras and SOME GIRLS a little more and the same with STICKY FINGERS. But new life into an album?
Four Beatles albums have had that (the last four important ones). It's fascinating. Lost opportunity? I suppose no one will ever know why BEGGARS, BLEED, FINGERS, EXILE or SOME GIRLS didn't get new mixes (remixed). Didn't Mick say he didn't like the mix of EXILE? Maybe he actually doesn't mind it. Of course, it's really a matter of if he could be bothered.
Time is going by faster and faster for anything else to happen. Hopefully they do it sooner rather than never.
EVERY 'special reissue' of a Rolling Stones record is a lost oppurtunity!!! ;-)
The only good one IMO was Exile on Main Street! With exception of some tracks (new vocals by Jagger).
There are so many unreleased tracks/demos that haven't been used or mastered for these boxsets. Some of them are being destroyed by new vocals and lyrics by Jagger, like All That Rage, So Divine! Awful. Just awful!
And how about the Half Speed masters? Here's a critic who shares his thoughts about these releases. He has some good points:
video: [www.youtube.com]
And he summerize it good; "There is no love for these (vinyl) releases!" The same goes for all those boxsets unfortunately.
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GasLightStreet
It's interesting to me that GOATS HEAD SOUP got a second life because of Giles Martin remixing it plus the extra material. What might be more interesting is that nothing else got that treatment. Sure, EXILE has the crumbs of extras and SOME GIRLS a little more and the same with STICKY FINGERS. But new life into an album?
Four Beatles albums have had that (the last four important ones). It's fascinating. Lost opportunity? I suppose no one will ever know why BEGGARS, BLEED, FINGERS, EXILE or SOME GIRLS didn't get new mixes (remixed). Didn't Mick say he didn't like the mix of EXILE? Maybe he actually doesn't mind it. Of course, it's really a matter of if he could be bothered.
Time is going by faster and faster for anything else to happen. Hopefully they do it sooner rather than never.
EVERY 'special reissue' of a Rolling Stones record is a lost oppurtunity!!! ;-)
The only good one IMO was Exile on Main Street! With exception of some tracks (new vocals by Jagger).
There are so many unreleased tracks/demos that haven't been used or mastered for these boxsets. Some of them are being destroyed by new vocals and lyrics by Jagger, like All That Rage, So Divine! Awful. Just awful!
And how about the Half Speed masters? Here's a critic who shares his thoughts about these releases. He has some good points:
video: [www.youtube.com]
And he summerize it good; "There is no love for these (vinyl) releases!" The same goes for all those boxsets unfortunately.
I strongly disagree. And I wouldn't call the Sticky Fingers Super Deluxe-set a "lost opportunity". It was fantastic!
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24FPS
My local library called to tell me they have the Goats Head Soup deluxe set for me to borrow. I very much want to hear the Blu Ray CD version of GHS. I want to see if it's even better than the SHM CD of the new remix.
Plus I'd like to hear the Brussels CD and see if it sounds better than the streaming download I have.
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24FPS
My local library called to tell me they have the Goats Head Soup deluxe set for me to borrow. I very much want to hear the Blu Ray CD version of GHS. I want to see if it's even better than the SHM CD of the new remix.
Plus I'd like to hear the Brussels CD and see if it sounds better than the streaming download I have.
BluRay Dolby 7.1 is exceptional , BluRay LPCM Stereo 24bit 96k is pitiful.
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GasLightStreet
It's interesting to me that GOATS HEAD SOUP got a second life because of Giles Martin remixing it plus the extra material. What might be more interesting is that nothing else got that treatment. Sure, EXILE has the crumbs of extras and SOME GIRLS a little more and the same with STICKY FINGERS. But new life into an album?
Four Beatles albums have had that (the last four important ones). It's fascinating. Lost opportunity? I suppose no one will ever know why BEGGARS, BLEED, FINGERS, EXILE or SOME GIRLS didn't get new mixes (remixed). Didn't Mick say he didn't like the mix of EXILE? Maybe he actually doesn't mind it. Of course, it's really a matter of if he could be bothered.
Time is going by faster and faster for anything else to happen. Hopefully they do it sooner rather than never.
EVERY 'special reissue' of a Rolling Stones record is a lost oppurtunity!!! ;-)
The only good one IMO was Exile on Main Street! With exception of some tracks (new vocals by Jagger).
There are so many unreleased tracks/demos that haven't been used or mastered for these boxsets. Some of them are being destroyed by new vocals and lyrics by Jagger, like All That Rage, So Divine! Awful. Just awful!
And how about the Half Speed masters? Here's a critic who shares his thoughts about these releases. He has some good points:
video: [www.youtube.com]
And he summerize it good; "There is no love for these (vinyl) releases!" The same goes for all those boxsets unfortunately.
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24FPS
My local library called to tell me they have the Goats Head Soup deluxe set for me to borrow. I very much want to hear the Blu Ray CD version of GHS. I want to see if it's even better than the SHM CD of the new remix.
Plus I'd like to hear the Brussels CD and see if it sounds better than the streaming download I have.
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24FPS
My local library called to tell me they have the Goats Head Soup deluxe set for me to borrow. I very much want to hear the Blu Ray CD version of GHS. I want to see if it's even better than the SHM CD of the new remix.
Plus I'd like to hear the Brussels CD and see if it sounds better than the streaming download I have.
To my ears the Brussel live tracks sound identical to the download versions.
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24FPS
My local library called to tell me they have the Goats Head Soup deluxe set for me to borrow. I very much want to hear the Blu Ray CD version of GHS. I want to see if it's even better than the SHM CD of the new remix.
Plus I'd like to hear the Brussels CD and see if it sounds better than the streaming download I have.
To my ears the Brussel live tracks sound identical to the download versions.
2011 mp3 files have the same mastering as 2011 flac. And the mastering 2011 (DR10) is different from Japanese CD 2015/GHS Deluxe CD 2020/streaming 2020 (DR6).Quote
DandelionPowderman
I'm pretty sure 24 FPS was talking about the US Google Music-download (not streaming) that came out years ago (MP3).
The US didn't (for some reason) get access to the Stones Archive, where the files were WAV (or where they FLAC, can't recall).
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bye bye johnny
Goats Head Soup is available to listen to in a whole new way, with the sound all around you.
Introducing #SpatialAudio ft. #DolbyAtmos. Only on @AppleMusic:apple.co/GoatsHeadSoup
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bye bye johnny
Goats Head Soup is available to listen to in a whole new way, with the sound all around you.
Introducing #SpatialAudio ft. #DolbyAtmos. Only on @AppleMusic:apple.co/GoatsHeadSoup
[twitter.com]
Too bad it's one of their worst-sounding albums.
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bye bye johnny
Goats Head Soup is available to listen to in a whole new way, with the sound all around you.
Introducing #SpatialAudio ft. #DolbyAtmos. Only on @AppleMusic:apple.co/GoatsHeadSoup
[twitter.com]
Too bad it's one of their worst-sounding albums.
It's a brand new mix.
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bye bye johnny
Goats Head Soup is available to listen to in a whole new way, with the sound all around you.
Introducing #SpatialAudio ft. #DolbyAtmos. Only on @AppleMusic:apple.co/GoatsHeadSoup
[twitter.com]
Too bad it's one of their worst-sounding albums.
It's a brand new mix.
GHS sounds great to my ears, either mix. Although it has a hazy sound to it overall, it's quite clear. Even EOMS has a clear sound, as "muddy" as it is.
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bye bye johnny
Goats Head Soup is available to listen to in a whole new way, with the sound all around you.
Introducing #SpatialAudio ft. #DolbyAtmos. Only on @AppleMusic:apple.co/GoatsHeadSoup
[twitter.com]
Too bad it's one of their worst-sounding albums.
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jbwelda
>I only have a tube-based stereo system at present.
You would be wise to hang onto that. Gimmicky "new" audio experiences may seem tempting but good old good old is never really bested. Give yourself extra points if you managed to hang onto your vintage McIntosh tube amplifiers. I should have.
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