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DandelionPowderman
Not sure about the novelty-part. IMO, the one-dimensional hypnotic groove that carries Mr D is very similar (both in terms of sound and function) to that of Ventilator Blues.
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Erik_Snow
Yes, thanks, Rockman, finally a reviewer that *gets it* and not just pass it off by being "a letdown compared to Exile"
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lem motlow
That review is bullshit, it’s from decades after the album was released so it Captures none of the zeitgeist or the place the band was in at the time.he actually said the Stones may have been influenced by Traffic.
No concept of the times, that would be like a new U2 album coming out and saying it had a drive by truckers influence.
The Stones were the premiere Rock and Roll band at that moment in time. they had outlasted the Beatles and had Zep nipping at their heels.
Their influences were probably The Stones at that point.why not look to the best band on the planet.
Also those quotes on sidebar, what s pathetic twat Nick Kent was, he didn’t understand Dancing With Mr Death even though he thought he was some authority on he band, fckng half wit.
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lem motlow
That review is bullshit, it’s from decades after the album was released so it Captures none of the zeitgeist or the place the band was in at the time
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lem motlow
That review is bullshit, it’s from decades after the album was released so it Captures none of the zeitgeist or the place the band was in at the time
That's the very definition of critical assessment. Forgetting about context and offering fresh views. If you don't do that now and then you're the hostage of old farts who'll spit in your face : "yadda yadda... I was THERE and let me tell you how it was back then!" (snore).
Great article from a great mag btw. "Uncut" and "Mojo" still hold the torch of good rock journalism while "Rolling Stone" has completely sunk.
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lem motlow
That review is bullshit, it’s from decades after the album was released so it Captures none of the zeitgeist or the place the band was in at the time
That's the very definition of critical assessment. Forgetting about context and offering fresh views. If you don't do that now and then you're the hostage of old farts who'll spit in your face : "yadda yadda... I was THERE and let me tell you how it was back then!" (snore).
Great article from a great mag btw. "Uncut" and "Mojo" still hold the torch of good rock journalism while "Rolling Stone" has completely sunk.
Music and literature....one judges it by one's own experience and understanding of it, otherwise you're a fool, should one follow the crowd at the time of it's release to make a judgement? Then you'd still think, for instance, that everything Dylan released after "Another Side of" in 1964 is a stab in the back on his "fans"
>>People forget about the context [...]<<
That's not important for my taste, I don't need the context or other people's ratings of this or that to make up my own mind, when it comes to music, which is a very subjective thing. Letting "the context" decide my musical taste.....no thanks
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Rockman
…. love puttin' that ole review up …. gets lem jumpin'
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…. love puttin' that ole review up …. gets lem jumpin'
Except you guys totally misunderstood what I was saying. I didn’t mean some “you had to be there” nonsense.
I was taking issue with the guy saying they were being influenced by Traffic and Van Morrison, two really good acts but in no way in a position to be influencing a band like the Stones at the time.
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…. love puttin' that ole review up …. gets lem jumpin'
Except you guys totally misunderstood what I was saying. I didn’t mean some “you had to be there” nonsense.
I was taking issue with the guy saying they were being influenced by Traffic and Van Morrison, two really good acts but in no way in a position to be influencing a band like the Stones at the time.
I get what you're saying. But I actually think the opposite: that it would make sense for a reviewer of that time to use Traffic and Van as examples of influence.
Those acts never got much bigger than they were back then.
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Yes I agree with myself...
Didn't Keef once complain Mick always wants to play the songs live too fast? Keef probbaly thinks that if you're too fast you have the rock but you miss the roll/the swing.
Can't say he's wrong if you watch a 1988 video of a Mick gig.
He did forget that himself in 1982, though. The merck might have had something to do with it.
Love the extra solos before the third verse, btw
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Wow Jagger drinking JD on stage in '82.......interesting
That performance of Jumpin' Jack Flash is a perfect example of what's been wrong with it since 1972 - they fly through it yet play it way too long, yell and howl, it has no swagger - why bother. Horrible.
Why bother? Seriously? I'd go back in time and go to this show in a heartbeat.
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DandelionPowderman
True! I've been listening to GHS non-stop the last couple of days
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lem motlow
That review is bullshit, it’s from decades after the album was released so it Captures none of the zeitgeist or the place the band was in at the time.he actually said the Stones may have been influenced by Traffic.
No concept of the times, that would be like a new U2 album coming out and saying it had a drive by truckers influence.
The Stones were the premiere Rock and Roll band at that moment in time. they had outlasted the Beatles and had Zep nipping at their heels.
Their influences were probably The Stones at that point.why not look to the best band on the planet.
Also those quotes on sidebar, what s pathetic twat Nick Kent was, he didn’t understand Dancing With Mr Death even though he thought he was some authority on he band, fckng half wit.
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lem motlow
That review is bullshit, it’s from decades after the album was released so it Captures none of the zeitgeist or the place the band was in at the time.he actually said the Stones may have been influenced by Traffic.
No concept of the times, that would be like a new U2 album coming out and saying it had a drive by truckers influence.
The Stones were the premiere Rock and Roll band at that moment in time. they had outlasted the Beatles and had Zep nipping at their heels.
Their influences were probably The Stones at that point.why not look to the best band on the planet.
Also those quotes on sidebar, what s pathetic twat Nick Kent was, he didn’t understand Dancing With Mr Death even though he thought he was some authority on he band, fckng half wit.
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lem motlow
That review is bullshit, it’s from decades after the album was released so it Captures none of the zeitgeist or the place the band was in at the time.he actually said the Stones may have been influenced by Traffic.
No concept of the times, that would be like a new U2 album coming out and saying it had a drive by truckers influence.
The Stones were the premiere Rock and Roll band at that moment in time. they had outlasted the Beatles and had Zep nipping at their heels.
Their influences were probably The Stones at that point.why not look to the best band on the planet.
Also those quotes on sidebar, what s pathetic twat Nick Kent was, he didn’t understand Dancing With Mr Death even though he thought he was some authority on he band, fckng half wit.
You don't think it's possible for an established band to be influenced by someone else? Seems to me they've been influenced by all kinds of music and styles throughout their career, right up through ABB. That's not a knock or some kind of an assertion that they don't have an inner sense of who they are and what they are, musically speaking. You don't think "Miss You" was partly brought on by what was going on around them? I definitely hear some Traffic and Stevie Wonder in GHS....it doesn't mean they needed it or someone is criticizing them. Maybe they just wanted it in there and were excited by it.
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Erik_Snow
Yes, thanks, Rockman, finally a reviewer that *gets it* and not just pass it off by being "a letdown compared to Exile"
Indeed. Although just four stars for an eternal classic like "Angie" makes me wonder...
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lem motlow
That review is bullshit, it’s from decades after the album was released so it Captures none of the zeitgeist or the place the band was in at the time.he actually said the Stones may have been influenced by Traffic.
No concept of the times, that would be like a new U2 album coming out and saying it had a drive by truckers influence.
The Stones were the premiere Rock and Roll band at that moment in time. they had outlasted the Beatles and had Zep nipping at their heels.
Their influences were probably The Stones at that point.why not look to the best band on the planet.
Also those quotes on sidebar, what s pathetic twat Nick Kent was, he didn’t understand Dancing With Mr Death even though he thought he was some authority on he band, fckng half wit.
You don't think it's possible for an established band to be influenced by someone else? Seems to me they've been influenced by all kinds of music and styles throughout their career, right up through ABB. That's not a knock or some kind of an assertion that they don't have an inner sense of who they are and what they are, musically speaking. You don't think "Miss You" was partly brought on by what was going on around them? I definitely hear some Traffic and Stevie Wonder in GHS....it doesn't mean they needed it or someone is criticizing them. Maybe they just wanted it in there and were excited by it.