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Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

God knows.

But what counts more is what Kemsey / Clearmountain did with the original tracks. It is all in the mix: save maybe Tops, all the songs sound "new".


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How cool would it be if they included the Nicaraguan Benefit in LA or Perth 1973 in quality hi-fi stereophonic sound!?!?!

Except neither of those shows contained a single song from GHS

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It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

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It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

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It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

That's news to me, that Ronnie went in and did an overdub in 1981. Interesting!

Do you have a quote, Jordy?

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It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

That's news to me, that Ronnie went in and did an overdub in 1981. Interesting!

Do you have a quote, Jordy?

No quote but just based on listening to the original basic track from '78 and the finished track on TY.

Here's the basic track from '78:

[www.youtube.com]

Here's the finished track with Ronnie's overdubbed guitar starting at (1:22) and again at (3:02):

[www.youtube.com]

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It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

That's news to me, that Ronnie went in and did an overdub in 1981. Interesting!

Do you have a quote, Jordy?

No quote but just based on listening to the original basic track from '78 and the finished track on TY.

Here's the basic track from '78:

[www.youtube.com]

Here's the finished track with Ronnie's overdubbed guitar starting at (1:22) and again at (3:02):

[www.youtube.com]

This is not news to me, though. Thing is, Ronnie could have added the extra track in 1978 as well. There is nothing we have that says otherwise, as Ronnie and Keith have said they weren't involved in recording for the album in 80/81.

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I'm a fan of Plundered and So Young, also Jump on top of Me. Would be great if they brought Mick T and Bill in for the project. Funny how the mind wanders when we start thinking of all the possibilities.

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It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

That's news to me, that Ronnie went in and did an overdub in 1981. Interesting!

Do you have a quote, Jordy?

No quote but just based on listening to the original basic track from '78 and the finished track on TY.

Here's the basic track from '78:

[www.youtube.com]

Here's the finished track with Ronnie's overdubbed guitar starting at (1:22) and again at (3:02):

[www.youtube.com]

This is not news to me, though. Thing is, Ronnie could have added the extra track in 1978 as well. There is nothing we have that says otherwise, as Ronnie and Keith have said they weren't involved in recording for the album in 80/81.

That is very true Dandelion! I'll see if I can find any info on it!

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You might say that folks are really just arguing about how long you're allowed to leave a track unfinished

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GasLightStreet

It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

That's news to me, that Ronnie went in and did an overdub in 1981. Interesting!

Do you have a quote, Jordy?

No quote but just based on listening to the original basic track from '78 and the finished track on TY.

Here's the basic track from '78:

[www.youtube.com]

Here's the finished track with Ronnie's overdubbed guitar starting at (1:22) and again at (3:02):

[www.youtube.com]

This is not news to me, though. Thing is, Ronnie could have added the extra track in 1978 as well. There is nothing we have that says otherwise, as Ronnie and Keith have said they weren't involved in recording for the album in 80/81.

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It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

That's news to me, that Ronnie went in and did an overdub in 1981. Interesting!

Do you have a quote, Jordy?

No quote but just based on listening to the original basic track from '78 and the finished track on TY.

Here's the basic track from '78:

[www.youtube.com]

Here's the finished track with Ronnie's overdubbed guitar starting at (1:22) and again at (3:02):

[www.youtube.com]

This is not news to me, though. Thing is, Ronnie could have added the extra track in 1978 as well. There is nothing we have that says otherwise, as Ronnie and Keith have said they weren't involved in recording for the album in 80/81.

As far as is known, there only have been sessions guided by Jagger for vocals, sax and percussion. No guitar overdubs were done by Richards or Wood.

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Isn't any multi-track recording that doesn't have all the parts recorded in one take a "fake" to some degree ?

You might say that folks are really just arguing about how long you're allowed to leave a track unfinished

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Isn't any multi-track recording that doesn't have all the parts recorded in one take a "fake" to some degree ?

You might say that folks are really just arguing about how long you're allowed to leave a track unfinished

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

What's the difference?

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

What's the difference?

The main difference is that inner-circle collectors tell things about certain tracks, but they're not willing to share the stuff to prove it

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

What's the difference?

The main difference is that inner-circle collectors tell things about certain tracks, but they're not willing to share the stuff to prove it

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

What's the difference?

The main difference is that inner-circle collectors tell things about certain tracks, but they're not willing to share the stuff to prove it

Has there ever been any kind of confirmation about that inner-circle collectors having things like what ended up being released on EXILE with a completely different version of Signfying? There may be more tracks like - completely different from the bootlegs.

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

What's the difference?

The main difference is that inner-circle collectors tell things about certain tracks, but they're not willing to share the stuff to prove it

Has there ever been any kind of confirmation about that inner-circle collectors having things like what ended up being released on EXILE with a completely different version of Signfying? There may be more tracks like - completely different from the bootlegs.

As far as WAOF is concerned: I approached several hardcore collectors about the subject and none of them ever came up with an acoustic guitar on it.

If there's a WAOF version with an acoustic on it, which I doubt, it's still in the vaults. I cannot imagine Jagger/ Richards or Chris Kimsey shared them with good friends. That's not the way it goes. Besides, I cannot imagine Taylor got payed in any way for a song he doesn't play on.

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He was paid for Tops.

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There’s definitely an acoustic on the basic tracks. It might be bleeding into a mic, or it might be mixed very low. The giveaway is that it’s playing a different rhythm than the electric.

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He was paid for Tops.

What's your source, an official reference, or do you have a link please, DP?