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Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Date: February 13, 2020 13:46

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Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

God knows.

But what counts more is what Kemsey / Clearmountain did with the original tracks. It is all in the mix: save maybe Tops, all the songs sound "new".


C

Agreed, about the mix. They even got a Mesa Boogie-esque sound out of Slave smiling smiley

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: TravelinMan ()
Date: February 13, 2020 16:57

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How cool would it be if they included the Nicaraguan Benefit in LA or Perth 1973 in quality hi-fi stereophonic sound!?!?!

Except neither of those shows contained a single song from GHS

We’ve already addressed that

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: JordyLicks96 ()
Date: February 13, 2020 22:56

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GasLightStreet

It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Date: February 13, 2020 23:06

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GasLightStreet

It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

That's news to me, that Ronnie went in and did an overdub in 1981. Interesting!

Do you have a quote, Jordy?

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: JordyLicks96 ()
Date: February 13, 2020 23:43

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GasLightStreet

It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

That's news to me, that Ronnie went in and did an overdub in 1981. Interesting!

Do you have a quote, Jordy?

No quote but just based on listening to the original basic track from '78 and the finished track on TY.

Here's the basic track from '78:

[www.youtube.com]

Here's the finished track with Ronnie's overdubbed guitar starting at (1:22) and again at (3:02):

[www.youtube.com]

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Date: February 13, 2020 23:57

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GasLightStreet

It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

That's news to me, that Ronnie went in and did an overdub in 1981. Interesting!

Do you have a quote, Jordy?

No quote but just based on listening to the original basic track from '78 and the finished track on TY.

Here's the basic track from '78:

[www.youtube.com]

Here's the finished track with Ronnie's overdubbed guitar starting at (1:22) and again at (3:02):

[www.youtube.com]

This is not news to me, though. Thing is, Ronnie could have added the extra track in 1978 as well. There is nothing we have that says otherwise, as Ronnie and Keith have said they weren't involved in recording for the album in 80/81.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: JordyLicks96 ()
Date: February 14, 2020 01:11

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GasLightStreet

It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

That's news to me, that Ronnie went in and did an overdub in 1981. Interesting!

Do you have a quote, Jordy?

No quote but just based on listening to the original basic track from '78 and the finished track on TY.

Here's the basic track from '78:

[www.youtube.com]

Here's the finished track with Ronnie's overdubbed guitar starting at (1:22) and again at (3:02):

[www.youtube.com]

This is not news to me, though. Thing is, Ronnie could have added the extra track in 1978 as well. There is nothing we have that says otherwise, as Ronnie and Keith have said they weren't involved in recording for the album in 80/81.

That is very true Dandelion! I'll see if I can find any info on it! smiling smiley

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 14, 2020 03:46

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I'm a fan of Plundered and So Young, also Jump on top of Me. Would be great if they brought Mick T and Bill in for the project. Funny how the mind wanders when we start thinking of all the possibilities.

I agree. That aside, perhaps it will kickstart the tires for a TATTOO YOU deluxe reissue next year since they're starting with the era that they drew from for TY, which would allow Mick to talk a lot of great fiction about what all was considered for TY...

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Date: February 14, 2020 08:47

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It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

That's news to me, that Ronnie went in and did an overdub in 1981. Interesting!

Do you have a quote, Jordy?

No quote but just based on listening to the original basic track from '78 and the finished track on TY.

Here's the basic track from '78:

[www.youtube.com]

Here's the finished track with Ronnie's overdubbed guitar starting at (1:22) and again at (3:02):

[www.youtube.com]

This is not news to me, though. Thing is, Ronnie could have added the extra track in 1978 as well. There is nothing we have that says otherwise, as Ronnie and Keith have said they weren't involved in recording for the album in 80/81.

That is very true Dandelion! I'll see if I can find any info on it! smiling smiley

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Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: February 14, 2020 09:28

...okay we'll wait here ….



ROCKMAN

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: February 14, 2020 09:55





ROCKMAN

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: February 14, 2020 10:24

Isn't any multi-track recording that doesn't have all the parts recorded in one take a "fake" to some degree ?

You might say that folks are really just arguing about how long you're allowed to leave a track unfinished winking smiley

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: February 14, 2020 11:48

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Spud

You might say that folks are really just arguing about how long you're allowed to leave a track unfinished winking smiley

Good question! i'd ay 10 years, after that it's a travesty, not an overdub session.
Mick leave the ghs outtakes alone! grinning smiley

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: February 14, 2020 13:55

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It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

That's news to me, that Ronnie went in and did an overdub in 1981. Interesting!

Do you have a quote, Jordy?

No quote but just based on listening to the original basic track from '78 and the finished track on TY.

Here's the basic track from '78:

[www.youtube.com]

Here's the finished track with Ronnie's overdubbed guitar starting at (1:22) and again at (3:02):

[www.youtube.com]

This is not news to me, though. Thing is, Ronnie could have added the extra track in 1978 as well. There is nothing we have that says otherwise, as Ronnie and Keith have said they weren't involved in recording for the album in 80/81.

As far as is known, there only have been sessions guided by Jagger for vocals, sax and percussion. No guitar overdubs were done by Richards or Wood.

Mathijs

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: TravelinMan ()
Date: February 14, 2020 15:07

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GasLightStreet

It's not fake.

If that's the case then you think TATTOO YOU is fake ...

If you think it's fake then you know where you fit in, ha ha... with that kook who thinks something is a compilation album in the casual term of what a compilation album means, regardless of the fact that all albums are compilations, because none of the tracks are brand new band recordings.

I didn't say the song is fake because of the mix of old and new. It is not a matter of principle. I said that to my ears - on these reissues only - the blend of "old" and "new" doesn't work.

It works perfectly well on tattoo you.

But for a reason: on Tattoo edits and overdubs were done to make the old parts sound new.

On the reissues it is the other way round. It's like one of those awful "relic" guitars.

In any case, at the end of the day, its just a matter of taste.

Plundered remains a great song!

C

Weren't Mick's (and perhaps Pete Townshend's) vocals, some cowbell/percussion and Sonny Rollins' sax the only overdubs on TY?

There's an overdubbed guitar by Ronnie on "Start Me Up" but I believe that's it. I also think "No Use In Crying" was the only song on TY that was completed and didn't need any overdubbing.

That's news to me, that Ronnie went in and did an overdub in 1981. Interesting!

Do you have a quote, Jordy?

No quote but just based on listening to the original basic track from '78 and the finished track on TY.

Here's the basic track from '78:

[www.youtube.com]

Here's the finished track with Ronnie's overdubbed guitar starting at (1:22) and again at (3:02):

[www.youtube.com]

This is not news to me, though. Thing is, Ronnie could have added the extra track in 1978 as well. There is nothing we have that says otherwise, as Ronnie and Keith have said they weren't involved in recording for the album in 80/81.

As far as is known, there only have been sessions guided by Jagger for vocals, sax and percussion. No guitar overdubs were done by Richards or Wood.

Mathijs

Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 14, 2020 15:34

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Isn't any multi-track recording that doesn't have all the parts recorded in one take a "fake" to some degree ?

You might say that folks are really just arguing about how long you're allowed to leave a track unfinished winking smiley

No.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 14, 2020 16:03

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Isn't any multi-track recording that doesn't have all the parts recorded in one take a "fake" to some degree ?

You might say that folks are really just arguing about how long you're allowed to leave a track unfinished winking smiley

I don't know if the Stones did any take splicing but The Beatles did, the only exception being what they did with Lennon's piano demo songs.

There are no rules. When it's done it's done. How doesn't matter.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Date: February 14, 2020 16:12

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.



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Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Date: February 14, 2020 16:30

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Date: February 14, 2020 16:35

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

What's the difference?

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Date: February 14, 2020 17:10

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

What's the difference?

The main difference is that inner-circle collectors tell things about certain tracks, but they're not willing to share the stuff to prove it smoking smiley

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 14, 2020 17:16

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

What's the difference?

The main difference is that inner-circle collectors tell things about certain tracks, but they're not willing to share the stuff to prove it smoking smiley

Has there ever been any kind of confirmation about that inner-circle collectors having things like what ended up being released on EXILE with a completely different version of Signfying? There may be more tracks like - completely different from the bootlegs.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Date: February 14, 2020 17:54

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

What's the difference?



The main difference is that inner-circle collectors tell things about certain tracks, but they're not willing to share the stuff to prove it smoking smiley

Yes, I know, not even willing to trade them to inner-circle collectors (whoever they are) for good money. grinning smiley

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Date: February 14, 2020 18:08

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

What's the difference?

The main difference is that inner-circle collectors tell things about certain tracks, but they're not willing to share the stuff to prove it smoking smiley

Has there ever been any kind of confirmation about that inner-circle collectors having things like what ended up being released on EXILE with a completely different version of Signfying? There may be more tracks like - completely different from the bootlegs.

As far as WAOF is concerned: I approached several hardcore collectors about the subject and none of them ever came up with an acoustic guitar on it.

If there's a WAOF version with an acoustic on it, which I doubt, it's still in the vaults. I cannot imagine Jagger/ Richards or Chris Kimsey shared them with good friends. That's not the way it goes. Besides, I cannot imagine Taylor got payed in any way for a song he doesn't play on.



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Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: TravelinMan ()
Date: February 14, 2020 18:25

There’s definitely an acoustic on the basic tracks. It might be bleeding into a mic, or it might be mixed very low. The giveaway is that it’s playing a different rhythm than the electric.



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Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Date: February 14, 2020 18:32

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Didn’t you say there were acoustic guitar overdubs on Waiting on a Friend that weren’t used?

There are no circulating WOAF tracks with an acoustic guitar on it, that's a fairy tale. There's only three versions with the same electric guitar track. And if there's a boot with an acoustic, it's never been revealed/ released/traded yet, but still in the vaults.

What's the difference?

The main difference is that inner-circle collectors tell things about certain tracks, but they're not willing to share the stuff to prove it smoking smiley

Has there ever been any kind of confirmation about that inner-circle collectors having things like what ended up being released on EXILE with a completely different version of Signfying? There may be more tracks like - completely different from the bootlegs.

As far as WAOF is concerned: I approached several hardcore collectors about the subject and none of them ever came up with an acoustic guitar on it.

If there's a WAOF version with an acoustic on it, which I doubt, it's still in the vaults. I cannot imagine Jagger/ Richards or Chris Kimsey shared them with good friends. That's not the way it goes. Besides, I cannot imagine Taylor got payed in any way for a song he doesn't play on.

He was paid for Tops.

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Date: February 14, 2020 20:31

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He was paid for Tops.

What's your source, an official reference, or do you have a link please, DP?

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Date: February 14, 2020 20:33

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There’s definitely an acoustic on the basic tracks. It might be bleeding into a mic, or it might be mixed very low. The giveaway is that it’s playing a different rhythm than the electric.

Damn, post that track.thumbs up

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: February 14, 2020 23:00

Maybe Taylor played bass on WOAF,since Bill seemed to be missing in action for a lot of the sessions.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue
Date: February 14, 2020 23:35

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He was paid for Tops.

What's your source, an official reference, or do you have a link please, DP?

Insider info. No proof or quote. Just passing what I was told.

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