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Guess I’m not going to visiting the US from the UK anytime soon. Guess I’ll be selling my September Ohana Festival tickets

You can enter the USA as a U.K. citizen if you spend 14 days in select countries first Mexico is an option that some people have been using.
Obviously it’s not feasible for many people to do given the extra time away but it is an option for anyone that has the time.

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Can back up Silver Dagger, announcement tmrw.

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Re: The Rolling Stones No Filter USA/CA Tour 2020 - postponed
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Date: July 21, 2021 23:46

Can back up Silver Dagger, announcement tmrw.

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Can back up Silver Dagger, announcement tmrw.

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Can back up Silver Dagger, announcement tmrw.

Anybody in a postponed concert city, I guess this evening's the time to watch for any banners.

If none, might be a clue that it's for this year.

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Can back up Silver Dagger, announcement tmrw.

Anybody in a postponed concert city, I guess this evening's the time to watch for any banners.

If none, might be a clue that it's for this year.

Unlikely they would banner a postponed tour that has already been bannered.

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Is this today?

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Is this today?

It's from 3-Feb-2020 in Vancouver - [DailyHive.com] .

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MisterDDDD
Unlikely they would banner a postponed tour that has already been bannered.

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Unlikely they would banner a postponed tour that has already been bannered.

Yeah but the Feb 2020 banners seem like they were almost in a different lifetime now, on a different world from this one.

We were Living In A Ghost World for a good while there in between

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Unlikely they would banner a postponed tour that has already been bannered.

Yeah but the Feb 2020 banners seem like they were almost in a different lifetime now, on a different world from this one.

We were Living In A Ghost World for a good while there in between

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Adult (18+) Full Vaccination Rates in the Thirteen U.S. States Where The Stones' Fourteen 2020 Concerts Were Postponed, per the NYT's tracking

            July 7    July 15    July 20  13-day change

NY       66.2%     67.1%     67.5%   +1.3%

Minn   64.3%     64.9%     65.1%    +0.8%

Calif    61.5%     62.4%     62.9%   +1.4%

Penn   60.8%     61.5%     61.9%    +1.1%

Mich   57.8%     58.5%     58.8%    +1.0%

Flor     56.2%     57.1%     57.6%    +1.4%

Ohio    55.7%     56.1%     56.4%    +0.7%

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KY        54.8%    55.4%     55.7%    +0.9%

Texas  50.2%*   53.9%     54.3%    +4.1%

NCar    51.9%    52.5%     52.8%    +0.9%

MO      49.1%     49.6%     50.0%    +0.9%

Tenn    47.1%     47.6%     47.9%   +0.8%

GA       46.9%     47.4%     47.8%    +0.9%

(* probably was wrong)

I wish we had counterfeiting-resistant proof of vaccination being issued by a national source in the U.S., but we don't. Federalism here means the national government can't or won't nationalize all kinds of things that would help our country function better and that other nations' citizens benefit from. But we're not likely to ever get that from the U.S. govt. It's going to be difficult for the venues to require proof of vaccination on a coast to coast tour here. Maybe venues still can, but good luck to them enforcing the requirement.

I inserted a line in the above table this time. The odds are reasonably good that sometime in September 60% or more of the adult populations will be fully vaxxed in those top-tier states. Is 60% really enough? What we want is more than 70%. But it's also not nothin'. And as been pointed out, older Americans are vaxxed at higher rates. Stones crowds do skew -- ahem -- older. In any of those 7 stadiums, I'm guessing here, but I think the odds are that 70% will be vaxxed.

If I was the Stones AND had powerful enough incentives to want to try to knock out at least half of the U.S. tour commitment this fall, I might draw a line something like that.

And announce that:

* We're going to try to play these 7 concerts, and Vancouver, this year.

* We hope the other concert venue states are better vaccinated by March 2022. If they are, we'll be back in April play those seven concerts -- and any others we may have to postpone again, to complete this leg in May 2022.

Then, on to the U.K. in July 2022.

(Btw, if this did happen, and worked fairly well, I'd argue the band would also be doing a public service to many Americans living in those six southern and border states who want more of their neighbors to get vaccinated. Any incentivizing of the unvaxxed is appreciated... by the vaxxed, at least.)

Of course, even scaled-down Fall touring might still not work. Covid Delta may continue to grow, into a significant 4th wave. It is break-through infecting (although not mortally) quite a few vaccinated people. If it becomes a major 4th wave, yes, it might close down even planned concerts for 70%+ vaxxed audiences.

This is definitely a more difficult environment for making these decisions than we expected it would be only a month or month and a half ago.

(Good thing we pay Michael Philip Jagger, CEO, so well.)

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We should probably look at the vaccination rates of the cities. Detroit's rate for the first vaccination is 39.4%. Wayne county where Detroit is located is 53%. The counties surrounding Detroit where the suburbs are located between the low 50's and high 60's.

Currently, if one is fully vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna, one should be able to attend a couple of Stones concerts and remain virus free even in a city with a 40% vaccination rate. Whether that's true a month from now, we'll see - the Delta cases are rising quickly. If one plans to fly, I'd suggest purchasing refundable tickets, I see postponed concerts if Delta continues infecting people at the current rate.

I bought eight shows, San Diego was refunded. Vegas is rumored to have been added. I think I'll keep Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Louisville. Maybe buy Vegas Lucky Dips and hope things have improved in October. I'll decide morning of the show whether to attend.

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We should probably look at the vaccination rates of the cities. Detroit's rate for the first vaccination is 39.4%. Wayne county where Detroit is located is 53%. The counties surrounding Detroit where the suburbs are located between the low 50's and high 60's.

Currently, if one is fully vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna, one should be able to attend a couple of Stones concerts and remain virus free even in a city with a 40% vaccination rate. Whether that's true a month from now, we'll see - the Delta cases are rising quickly. If one plans to fly, I'd suggest purchasing refundable tickets, I see postponed concerts if Delta continues infecting people at the current rate.

I bought eight shows, San Diego was refunded. Vegas is rumored to have been added. I think I'll keep Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Louisville. Maybe buy Vegas Lucky Dips and hope things have improved in October. I'll decide morning of the show whether to attend.

Vegas numbers are up and they just started mandatory masks again.

((Wait.. Vegas!!!!)) Always one of my favorite locales for a Stones gig.
((Wait.. October!!!) Always one of my favorite times of year to see them

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Can back up Silver Dagger, announcement tmrw.

Anybody in a postponed concert city, I guess this evening's the time to watch for any banners.

If none, might be a clue that it's for this year.

Unlikely they would banner a postponed tour that has already been bannered.

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GlimmerGirl24

We should probably look at the vaccination rates of the cities. Detroit's rate for the first vaccination is 39.4%. Wayne county where Detroit is located is 53%. The counties surrounding Detroit where the suburbs are located between the low 50's and high 60's.

Currently, if one is fully vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna, one should be able to attend a couple of Stones concerts and remain virus free even in a city with a 40% vaccination rate. Whether that's true a month from now, we'll see - the Delta cases are rising quickly. If one plans to fly, I'd suggest purchasing refundable tickets, I see postponed concerts if Delta continues infecting people at the current rate.

I bought eight shows, San Diego was refunded. Vegas is rumored to have been added. I think I'll keep Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Louisville. Maybe buy Vegas Lucky Dips and hope things have improved in October. I'll decide morning of the show whether to attend.

Vegas numbers are up and they just started mandatory masks again.

((Wait.. Vegas!!!!)) Always one of my favorite locales for a Stones gig.
((Wait.. October!!!) Always one of my favorite times of year to see them

The rumor is an October 31st Vegas show at the new stadium. I haven't missed a Vegas show since 1997 and Halloween is so tempting, even with a stadium. As you mentioned, the virus is currently partying there. So I'll buy Lucky Dips and put off purchasing airfare until the middle of October. If it's still a virus party then, no Vegas for me.

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Vegas is rumored to have been added.
...The rumor is an October 31st Vegas show at the new stadium.

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Vegas is rumored to have been added.
...The rumor is an October 31st Vegas show at the new stadium.

Just hours to go.

It's gonna suck sooooo bad now if it's "No Tour Til 2022."

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Okay, I need to ask: Why the announcement on Thursday? Did this come from Silver Dagger?

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Okay, I need to ask: Why the announcement on Thursday? Did this come from Silver Dagger?

My sources indicated Thursday too. If any shows are replaced with new venues, it could be the pre-sales start tomorrow, general sale on Saturday.

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for people with tickets, locked in and ready to tour, i hope the announcement that the tour is on comes true. happy shows! but california is back to indoor mask requirements. and places with low vaccination rates have low vaccination rates for a reason. the "i ain't getting the vax" crowd is convinced the vaccine will Kill You. it ain't funny and they are as serious as a heart attack. and their conspiracy theory is JFK X's 100. they just had a congressional hearing where some batsh*t senator told dr.fauci he's a liar and murdering people. dr. fauci yelled right back "F.U.". it's getting worse and the anti-vax crowd is digging in. they will burn down the country before they get a shot. i'd look for a tattoo you announcement. sorry.

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for people with tickets, locked in and ready to tour, i hope the announcement that the tour is on comes true. happy shows! but california is back to indoor mask requirements. and places with low vaccination rates have low vaccination rates for a reason. the "i ain't getting the vax" crowd is convinced the vaccine will Kill You. it ain't funny and they are as serious as a heart attack. and their conspiracy theory is JFK X's 100. they just had a congressional hearing where some batsh*t senator told dr.fauci he's a liar and murdering people. dr. fauci yelled right back "F.U.". it's getting worse and the anti-vax crowd is digging in. they will burn down the country before they get a shot. i'd look for a tattoo you announcement. sorry.

Well the current leading theory on Covid-19's origin is a Wuhan lab leak, and the NIH under Dr. Fauci granted $$ to EcoHealth Alliance which in turn funded the Wuhan lab in some amount. And the Wuhan lab did gain of function research.

The controversy is, does the creation of that virus come directly from Dr. Fauci's NIH grant to EcoHealth Alliance which funded the Wuhan gain of function research or not?

It's plausible. Provable? Who knows.

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for people with tickets, locked in and ready to tour, i hope the announcement that the tour is on comes true. happy shows! but california is back to indoor mask requirements. and places with low vaccination rates have low vaccination rates for a reason. the "i ain't getting the vax" crowd is convinced the vaccine will Kill You. it ain't funny and they are as serious as a heart attack. and their conspiracy theory is JFK X's 100. they just had a congressional hearing where some batsh*t senator told dr.fauci he's a liar and murdering people. dr. fauci yelled right back "F.U.". it's getting worse and the anti-vax crowd is digging in. they will burn down the country before they get a shot. i'd look for a tattoo you announcement. sorry.

Well the current leading theory on Covid-19's origin is a Wuhan lab leak, and the NIH under Dr. Fauci granted $$ to EcoHealth Alliance which in turn funded the Wuhan lab in some amount. And the Wuhan lab did gain of function research.

The controversy is, does the creation of that virus come directly from Dr. Fauci's NIH grant to EcoHealth Alliance which funded the Wuhan gain of function research or not?

It's plausible. Provable? Who knows.