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The Unvaccinated Of The Americas will be the reason why The Rolling Stones do not tour NA this year.
If this fall's tour doesn't happen, then yep, that'll be why.
That's been increasingly on my mind during this extended wait, as we've simultaneously watched vaccinations in a lot of states stall out. We have our states that are over 60% vaxxed among age 18+. And we've got states most of whose residents seem hell-bent on keeping their state at 50% or less. The 15 cities the Stones originally scheduled are scattered among both.
If the unvaxxed do scuttle the tour for this fall, I'm not sure the %'s in the South are going to be much improved by Spring 2022. UK and much of Europe should be ready by then, but the American South, I'm not so sure.
Here's my view. It's too late to do this for 2021, but if next spring the Stones choose to pull all the under-vaxxed states' concerts and move them to the much safer U.S. states, I'd not blame them.
And I say this as a native southerner and holder of great tix for Nashville and Atlanta. I'd just scramble for tickets up north instead of down here. (I say "here," Baltimore's closer to me anyway.) To hold this country below herd immunity... I just have no sympathy for those doing it. Obviously -- they're helping to very needlessly kill people. I have an intractable brother-in-law and two nephews among that "they," and I can report with 100% certainty, they're not budging on the matter. Most of America's vax refuseniks are that way.
If you lose great opportunities as a result, then you just lose great opportunities. The whole nation shouldn't have to suffer all of the same consequences that those states bring on themselves.
If we're stuck being Two Americas, as we seemingly are, I have zero objections to the Stones playing only in the one of the two Americas in which most of its [www.google.com] citizens are behaving the more responsibly during a global pandemic.
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Topi
Was reading that Ronnie's treatments were finished as far back as December, so maybe his health isn't holding the tour back after all.
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GasLightStreet
The Unvaccinated Of The Americas will be the reason why The Rolling Stones do not tour NA this year.
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GasLightStreet
The Unvaccinated Of The Americas will be the reason why The Rolling Stones do not tour NA this year.
And those same unvaccinated blame it on the Rolling Stones or the government or the vaccinated. Meanwhile Delta rages and Lambda on deck.
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NilsHolgersson
Funny how the "unvaccinated" are to blame for everything. Just like the government likes to see division amongst the people. Takes the blame away from them and their mismanagement of healthcare.
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NilsHolgersson
If I would take a vaccine, I wouldn't care about any unvaccinated. I'm safe, got my shots, right. If I still had to worry, that would mean the vaccine doesn't really protect me at all.
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NilsHolgersson
Funny how the "unvaccinated" are to blame for everything. Just like the government likes to see division amongst the people. Takes the blame away from them and their mismanagement of healthcare.
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Funny how the "unvaccinated" are to blame for everything. Just like the government likes to see division amongst the people. Takes the blame away from them and their mismanagement of healthcare.
How does making a safe and effective vaccine made available to the public for FREE is mismanaging the Covid response. If unvaccinated people refuse the vaccine how is that the government's fault. Short of mandatory forced vaccinations there is little more the government can do to convince the refuseniks from getting the shot. The government is not trying to divide anything, they want people to get the vaccine.
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NilsHolgersson
Funny how the "unvaccinated" are to blame for everything. Just like the government likes to see division amongst the people. Takes the blame away from them and their mismanagement of healthcare.
How does making a safe and effective vaccine made available to the public for FREE is mismanaging the Covid response. If unvaccinated people refuse the vaccine how is that the government's fault. Short of mandatory forced vaccinations there is little more the government can do to convince the refuseniks from getting the shot. The government is not trying to divide anything, they want people to get the vaccine.
Don’t waste your time daspyknows with people with low IQs
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NilsHolgersson
If I would take a vaccine, I wouldn't care about any unvaccinated. I'm safe, got my shots, right. If I still had to worry, that would mean the vaccine doesn't really protect me at all.
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NilsHolgersson
If I would take a vaccine, I wouldn't care about any unvaccinated. I'm safe, got my shots, right. If I still had to worry, that would mean the vaccine doesn't really protect me at all.
You'd be flying in the face of history and science says otherwise.
Goddamn. That's a fake news Fox News fake science attitude.
You're possibly one of millions contributing to the Stones not touring NA later this year. Not the way to go.
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NilsHolgersson
If I would take a vaccine, I wouldn't care about any unvaccinated. I'm safe, got my shots, right. If I still had to worry, that would mean the vaccine doesn't really protect me at all.
You'd be flying in the face of history and science says otherwise.
Goddamn. That's a fake news Fox News fake science attitude.
You're possibly one of millions contributing to the Stones not touring NA later this year. Not the way to go.
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If I would take a vaccine, I wouldn't care about any unvaccinated. I'm safe, got my shots, right. If I still had to worry, that would mean the vaccine doesn't really protect me at all.
You'd be flying in the face of history and science says otherwise.
Goddamn. That's a fake news Fox News fake science attitude.
You're possibly one of millions contributing to the Stones not touring NA later this year. Not the way to go.
I'm 67 years old. I gladly took the Pfizer vaccine as soon as I could. It made sense for me. Even though it is unproven and yet unapproved.
I get why people don't want to take it. I don't call them stupid, but I get that that is the prevailing style of discourse. We know the truth and everyone else is stupid. Individual thought is way passé.
I'm 67 and not particularly worried about long-term effects. If I had a 17-year old child, I would advise them that the risks of taking the jab seem, to me, greater than the risks of the virus to someone that age. Stupid?
I will be first in line for a booster, but I will not criticize those who don't trust anything they hear from our alleged public health officials.
And all this has Zero to do with the Stones (not) touring the US.
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bv
There is a 10% chance you still get Covid-19 even if you are vaccinated. Some get it mild, others who are vaccinated get serious flu-like illness lasting for 1-2 weeks. The Rolling Stones are not like a football team, where you may replace a band member with covid-19 with another person on the same position. They don't have any extra Mick, Keith, Charlie, Ronnie on the bench. They know it, insurance companies know it, management know it, doctors know it.
The vaccination rate is not really sufficient in some areas, and Delta is on the rise. Shares of BioNTech were down 5.3% as of 10 a.m. EDT on Tuesday. Meanwhile, shares of Moderna were slipping 2.7%, because the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech appears to be less effective against the Delta variant.
I would rather wait a few months more, making sure Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie are safe vs covid-19, also everyone else of the large portion of fans being at risk, mind you we are not teenagers most of us anymore.
Everybody want to get on a new tour, but the pandemic is not over yet.
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stickyfingers101
Stones aren't touring by their own choice.
There are plenty of venues open.
There are plenty of bands touring.
No Vax No Entry can be demanded (a la "Bruce") as a condition.
Heck, the Stones could tour at clubs for prices only Robert Kraft and his vaccinated loser friends could afford.....and we could cry about that instead.
Point: they can tour if they want, they can tour any way they want....it's their choice.
If part of that decision is based on the rate of vaccination (aka "the unvaccinated")....so be it. I don't deny that plays a role in their decision, esp. given Ronnie's recovery.....
but, in the end, it's still their choice based on whatever cost-benefit risk-analysis they decide to listen to....
....just like it is everybody's free choice what they put (or don't put) in their body....
Go Freedom!
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jimpietryga1
I think you are exactly right with an announcement toward the end of July . Most tickets are sold so eight weeks is not too late to start at the end of Sept like BTB in 97. A lot of the venues have roofs or are in the South. Wait on the US/Canadian border to open and that will signal the announcement.
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Cooltoplady
The Stones are not touring because Covid is still a risk.
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bv
There is a 10% chance you still get Covid-19 even if you are vaccinated. Some get it mild, others who are vaccinated get serious flu-like illness lasting for 1-2 weeks. The Rolling Stones are not like a football team, where you may replace a band member with covid-19 with another person on the same position. They don't have any extra Mick, Keith, Charlie, Ronnie on the bench. They know it, insurance companies know it, management know it, doctors know it.
The vaccination rate is not really sufficient in some areas, and Delta is on the rise. Shares of BioNTech were down 5.3% as of 10 a.m. EDT on Tuesday. Meanwhile, shares of Moderna were slipping 2.7%, because the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech appears to be less effective against the Delta variant.
I would rather wait a few months more, making sure Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie are safe vs covid-19, also everyone else of the large portion of fans being at risk, mind you we are not teenagers most of us anymore.
Everybody want to get on a new tour, but the pandemic is not over yet.
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timbernardis
In 2019, they toured late June til the end of August during the hottest part of the summer, the dog days of summer.
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There is a 10% chance you still get Covid-19 even if you are vaccinated. Some get it mild, others who are vaccinated get serious flu-like illness lasting for 1-2 weeks. The Rolling Stones are not like a football team, where you may replace a band member with covid-19 with another person on the same position. They don't have any extra Mick, Keith, Charlie, Ronnie on the bench. They know it, insurance companies know it, management know it, doctors know it.
The vaccination rate is not really sufficient in some areas, and Delta is on the rise. Shares of BioNTech were down 5.3% as of 10 a.m. EDT on Tuesday. Meanwhile, shares of Moderna were slipping 2.7%, because the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech appears to be less effective against the Delta variant.
I would rather wait a few months more, making sure Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie are safe vs covid-19, also everyone else of the large portion of fans being at risk, mind you we are not teenagers most of us anymore.
Everybody want to get on a new tour, but the pandemic is not over yet.
Wondering if the Stones the only band left that had to postpone, yet have still made no announcement regarding a reschedule or cancellation? Seems every other band I can think of have either rescheduled (sometimes twice) or ultimately canceled. I realize the Stones are unique in many ways given their age, Ronnie's health, the insurance problems, visa problems, etc., etc., etc., but wondering what will be the absolute deciding factor for them to decide whether to move forward or to throw in the towel. Doesn't seem likely the pandemic is going to suddenly disappear any time soon - in fact things seem to be getting worse again in the US with new variants mutating, and even talk of reinstating mask mandates and other restrictions. With all that in the news, can't imagine the tour will go forward this fall, but maybe by next spring/summer things will start to look a bit better.