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stickyfingers101
NYC's Penn Station sees 600,000 people PER DAY....EVERY DAY. Should Penn Station be "No Vax, No Entry" too?
Everybody in the entire society will be subjected to un-vaccinated people every day once we get back to "normal"...what makes concert workers so special?
we can't force people to get vaccinated, so my point remains: should we start down a slippery slope of applying this policy to other places too?
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stickyfingers101
NYC's Penn Station sees 600,000 people PER DAY....EVERY DAY. Should Penn Station be "No Vax, No Entry" too?
Everybody in the entire society will be subjected to un-vaccinated people every day once we get back to "normal"...what makes concert workers so special?
we can't force people to get vaccinated, so my point remains: should we start down a slippery slope of applying this policy to other places too?
The obvious difference between the street and a concert is that a concert is a private event where the rules are set by the organizers, like ticket prices, no smoking, mandatory shoes (no shirt, no service), no alcohol, etc...and if they decide that it's "no vax, no entry" that's it, end of story. Not happy about that rule ? There's an easy fix, don't go !
Can't see concerts resuming for a long time without that kind of strict rule.
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bv
All bands may tour the state of Texas now. There are no covid-19 rules in Texas now, right? Then the rest of the world may learn from the great human experiment involving all 29 million people living in Texas USA, how it is turning out, three months on from now.
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All bands may tour the state of Texas now. There are no covid-19 rules in Texas now, right? Then the rest of the world may learn from the great human experiment involving all 29 million people living in Texas USA, how it is turning out, three months on from now.
Other states are getting close to that insanity also, but Texas will be the one to watch. And then there's the various concert promoters, management, etc. where a majority sound more like wishful thinking campaigns and salesmen vs. reality. Sure they're going to sound hopeful as their livelihoods depend on it, but still seems they're putting the cart before the horse. Might get messy for tour organizers when one state requires vaccinations and/or proof of negative tests, while another state such as Texas requires nothing and is basically a free for all. And with more and more states possibly following in Texas' footsteps, seems it will be more and more difficult for tours to get insurance. Eventually things should work themselves out, but to put a timeline and give dates seems premature. Even President Biden was extra- cautionary with his optimism and hopeful goals, pleading for people to get vaccinated and follow the rules to help make this work. I don't think he'll be buying any concert tickets at any type of venues any time soon...not until there's much more science telling him it's safe.
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The promoters set the requirements for entry. It’s private business. Vaccinated attendees are what the insurers are looking for.Quote
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All bands may tour the state of Texas now. There are no covid-19 rules in Texas now, right? Then the rest of the world may learn from the great human experiment involving all 29 million people living in Texas USA, how it is turning out, three months on from now.
Other states are getting close to that insanity also, but Texas will be the one to watch. And then there's the various concert promoters, management, etc. where a majority sound more like wishful thinking campaigns and salesmen vs. reality. Sure they're going to sound hopeful as their livelihoods depend on it, but still seems they're putting the cart before the horse. Might get messy for tour organizers when one state requires vaccinations and/or proof of negative tests, while another state such as Texas requires nothing and is basically a free for all. And with more and more states possibly following in Texas' footsteps, seems it will be more and more difficult for tours to get insurance. Eventually things should work themselves out, but to put a timeline and give dates seems premature. Even President Biden was extra- cautionary with his optimism and hopeful goals, pleading for people to get vaccinated and follow the rules to help make this work. I don't think he'll be buying any concert tickets at any type of venues any time soon...not until there's much more science telling him it's safe.
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Hairball
As the old saying goes "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas", and hope that would also include the surge in coronavirus cases that will probably result from the latest ease on restrictions.
Unfortunately millions of people come and go to Vegas unchecked from all corners of the world 24/7...it could possibly become a "super spreader" to the highest degree.
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thecitadel
The risk of getting Covid or Flu depends on how close you are to people for how long. Walking past some people for 2 or 3 minutes, perhaps with a mask, is much lower risk that standing/dancing/singing/shouting in a gig. Worse inside than outside.
Here in the UK, Festivals look like they will be going ahead by late summer. But every adult will be vaccinated by then - at least those people who believe the science rather than some superstitious shite. You might get ill, but are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital or dead. Normal risks we have always taken in life.
I suspect indoors masks will be needed - on trains, planes, in bars etc for some time. But outdoors, especially if vaccines are made compulsory, then I think live returns to normal when >90% of adults have the vaccine.
For the Stones, as they can ensure they and their whole team are vaccinated, the issue will be insurance cover and local rules on big gatherings.
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Hairball
As the old saying goes "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas", and hope that would also include the surge in coronavirus cases that will probably result from the latest ease on restrictions.
Unfortunately millions of people come and go to Vegas unchecked from all corners of the world 24/7...it could possibly become a "super spreader" to the highest degree.
Music cue: The O'Jays "For the Love of Money"
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Hairball
As the old saying goes "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas", and hope that would also include the surge in coronavirus cases that will probably result from the latest ease on restrictions.
Unfortunately millions of people come and go to Vegas unchecked from all corners of the world 24/7...it could possibly become a "super spreader" to the highest degree.
Music cue: The O'Jays "For the Love of Money"
Meanhwile in California, restrictions continue to rapidly loosen up with restaurants being allowed limited indoor dining again this week, and high school football games being allowed to take place.
This all happening amidst the recall effort of the CA Governor and his attempt to divert attention, but looks like the 2,000,000 signature criteria has been met to have him possibly removed and replaced.
Not saying the alternative choices or replacements will be any better, but it's nice to see the peoples voices heard, and have the ability to dispose of the corruption.
Last time there was a recall back in 2003, Arnold Schwarzenegger ended up as the Governor here - seemed like a joke at the time, but in hindsight wasn't all that bad.
Pretty sure I saw Arnold 'The Governator' at a Stones show somewhere in California back around that time - maybe the new/replacement Governor will attend an upcoming show if there is one in CA?
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Rockman
YEAH .... but drunks have more fun ...
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Rockman
YEAH .... but drunks have more fun ...
You may be right, I'll have to ponder that.
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daspyknows
2 questions on this topic. Do we have a non Fox News (NY Post owned by Rupert Murdoch's empire) to be sure this is credible and is there even vaccines in Also- Mexico at this point in time?
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CNN is fake news!
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Hairball
One of the postponed/rescheduled shows my wife and I had tix for but immediately opted for refunds last year is Steely Dan and Steve Winwood at the Hollywood Bowl.
Originally secheduled for June 8, 2020, then postpostponed to June 8, 2021...not a chance it will happen considering all the facts and the current unknown status of the pandemic.
Wondering if they'll attempt to reschedule again to June 2022, or simply cancel as other bands have eventually ended up doing such as The Who.
Would have been an excellent show in that setting, but alas not meant to be and thankfully we've seen them both multiple times.
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GasLightStreet
I'm curious to see who says the hell with it after this year with more shows pushed to 2022 or cancelled. Although for the older acts it could be good for them. It's a weird thing, though, this "pause" - getting old seems to accelerate more so when it really hits, based on observations of some older friends as well as my grandparents, who appeared to age about 20 years in 3 when they got about 80.