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Event cancellations now stretching to late July in California. No insurance company going to underwrite the rescheduled tour this year. Maybe next year IMHO.

I have tickets for Sturgill Simpson on May 3 at the Gorge in Washington. Just got a notice from Ticketmaster that it has been postponed with no new date yet. Sturgill cancelled some shows last week & now is getting more extensive with cancel/postponements.

And in case some seem to think so, there will be no Stones tour this summer. No chance at all. The summer will hold the world in emergency state, because so many people do still think it will just "blow over soon".

Wow - many elements to this discussion. First thing that comes to mind is that the virus has subsided in China. Politicians are starting to label this pandemic a disease as oppose to "virus". Some folks have sold many of assets in form of qualities to make a quick buck. I really don't think another stimulus package is the answer. No source - just news on tv.



From a financial standpoint,I wouldn't be surprised if the Stock Market hits 24 k next week. From a medical standpoint and going back to bv's original advice - common sense and hygiene should be the plan. Yep an investment may prove useless.


Again - I'm only providing thoughts and sources where available and wish nothing but health and safety for all.

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I'm going to use the stimulus check to buy Stones concert tickets- Still think Louisville would be a cool place to go.

Chris, a Cool place indeed. A little slow (and I have solid reference-traveling all over, abroad), but it's home to me and wish this show would come to fruition, but current reality does seem to play that way, is my guess. This show does come about, I'll be sure to be to first in line to offer you a cool refreshment and happy to be your tour guide of my hometown

Count me in - Watching news sources all day ...mmm can't cite ---better yet what hotel do you recommend?


Seabiscuit is my favorite movie although he did not run there. What stable Do you recommend? Also I would need allergy medicine in morning. I suffer from hay fever!



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I'm going to use the stimulus check to buy Stones concert tickets- Still think Louisville would be a cool place to go.

Chris, a Cool place indeed. A little slow (and I have solid reference-traveling all over, abroad), but it's home to me and wish this show would come to fruition, but current reality does seem to play that way, is my guess. This show does come about, I'll be sure to be to first in line to offer you a cool refreshment and happy to be your tour guide of my hometown

Do you know of Jim Cornette? Wrestling Manager

Took a look at my flights for the No Happening Tour

Finnair has already announced the cancellation of most of its long-haul flights up until June 30. I'm on Finnair metal on an American booking, just waiting it out with AA. Covered by EC 261, I will be reimbursed, at least in the form of a voucher. If I cancelled/altered the booking myself, American would have me flying by Dec 31 this year. (Originally due outbound May 4, but Finnair has all but technically cancelled it already. )

Westjet (Vancouver to Minny) offers to cancel flight and give credit towards future flights, valid for 24 months

Air Canada (San Diego to Vancouver ) offers to cancel and give credit, valid until March 31, 2021

Sun Country flight (Minny to Nashville) I cancelled, they gave me credit for the amount, valid for a year

Airlines are your best friend at the moment!

First we have to fight the virus. It will take may be half a year. May be a year or more. Then the world economy, and for sure any personal economy, will have taken a major blow. We will all be set back for a year or so, with cuts in out bank accounts, lost income, many out of work, and a financial status like 2008-2009.

Why on earth do some still think there will be anyone willing to pay for a tour next year? When this is over, which I sure hope it will be later this year, people will need the money they save from refunds of tickets and canceled hotels for food and survival day to day.

I can not see any tour this year, and there will be no economy private or enterprise wise willing to pay for a tour next year. Sorry folks, it is time to pull the heads out of the ground and face the reality.

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First we have to fight the virus. It will take may be half a year. May be a year or more. [...] I can not see any tour this year, and there will be no economy private or enterprise wise willing to pay for a tour next year. Sorry folks, it is time to pull the heads out of the ground and face the reality.

German´s top virologist, Professor Christian Drosten, about everything
you need to know [in English]:



[www.zeit.de]

ZEIT ONLINE: Life as we know it is changing at the moment. Mr. Drosten, are you worried?

Christian Drosten: Like many other people, I, too, am in denial about the current situation to a certain extent. I hope for my family and for myself that it won't affect us. But it very well could. And then there are others who are ignoring our new reality completely.

ZEIT ONLINE: People in this country, though, are listening to you and what you say carries great weight. What effect is this role having on you?

Drosten: I just sort of slipped into it. It's also becoming a bit overwhelming, all the media inquiries, advising politicians. I'm not a politician, I'm a scientist. I'm happy to explain what I know. Scientific findings must be communicated to everyone transparently, so that we all can get an idea of the situation. But I'm also honest about what I don't know. I always have been.

ZEIT ONLINE: The country is grinding to a halt. Daycare centers and schools have been closed nationwide as of this week. Is the government reacting appropriately at the moment?

Drosten: Few of the decisions made in recent days were purely evidence-based. Many were political, and certainly correct. Some were surely influenced by the strict measures in neighboring countries. But either way: I have the impression that a switch has now been flipped in all states across Germany. Now a decision has been made to ban public events and close daycares and schools.

ZEIT ONLINE: It is said that you played a central consultative role in the decision to close schools. Was it the correct decision to do so now?

Drosten: I don't know. It probably won't be clear until later whether it was the right time to do this. I've always maintained that scientists from other disciplines must also be heard, and that kind of decision is outside the realm of competence of an epidemiologically trained virologist like myself. I don't see my job as condensing the truth, but as explaining aspects of the truth and allowing for uncertainties and saying, 'We don't know' – which makes a political decision necessary. And as long as it's communicated as a political decision, I think that's fine.

ZEIT ONLINE: Will the measures work?

Drosten: Hopefully, they will decisively change the dynamics of the disease's transmission. It's possible that we'll be able to judge this by Easter. Maybe we'll see that fewer people have been infected than we would have expected amid the current exponential growth. That the curve has grown flatter. Initially, however, this will have less of an impact on the death rate, because some of those who will die before Easter are already infected now or will be in the coming days. What's more, the recent decisions won't have an immediate effect. It will take a few days. Some things have become normalized. Many people have figured out childcare solutions, for example. And more and more people are understanding that they shouldn't meet up in groups anymore. It will take some time for people to get used to this.


ZEIT ONLINE: Stricter measures, such as forbidding people from leaving their homes for non-essential reasons, are under consideration – largely because apparently not everyone has understood that they should stay home and reduce their contact with others in order to protect the community at large.

Drosten: I think that in the next few days, the penny will finally drop. These measures are still quite new, but most people will have grasped it. There will always be some people who are incorrigible. Of course, people like that don't exist in China – there, they are censured. But I'm glad that we don't live in that kind of society. And I'm not sure whether it's even necessary, in terms of the overall epidemic, to find every last person who's not following the rules.

ZEIT ONLINE: So, given the corona parties that have been taking place, you wouldn't say: "From now on, no one is allowed to go outside?"

Drosten: Who am I to say such a thing? I can say that as a virologist, in my field, up to a certain point, this is the way things are. Other things just don't fall into my area of competence. Then I'm no longer a scientist, but a private citizen. I don't have a mandate from voters. But I do believe that by shutting down bars and restaurants, cancelling major events and closing daycares and schools, a great deal has already been achieved. The goal is to prevent as many people as possible from coming into contact with one another.

ZEIT ONLINE: What's your assessment of how Germany managed the earliest stages of this outbreak?

Drosten: I believe that Germany recognized its own outbreak very early on. We're two or three weeks ahead of some of our neighbors. We've been able to do this because we've been doing so many diagnostics, so much testing. Of course, we missed some cases in this early stage, that always happens. But I don't think we overlooked a major outbreak. This assertion is also supported by the fact that we are seeing cases in Germany increase as expected. But we're also seeing that we have fewer deaths than other countries. One could deduce, therefore, that we're not that far off from the total number of cases we have. We certainly aren't identifying all of the cases, but relatively, we are seeing more than other countries that are testing less.

ZEIT ONLINE: Like Italy, for instance?

Drosten: In Italy, tests are apparently primarily performed on people who get admitted to the hospital. That's because people there know that there aren't enough tests to go around anyway, so they initially stay home, even if they have symptoms. They only go to the hospital if their condition worsens. There, they arrive with shortness of breath and are immediately admitted to the intensive care unit, where they are then tested for the first time. This is why the average age of recorded cases is much higher in Italy than here in Germany. I assume that many young Italians are or were infected without ever being detected. This also explains the virus' supposedly higher mortality rate there.

ZEIT ONLINE: How much longer will we be able to keep up with testing in Germany?

Drosten: At some point, this won't be possible anymore. We're simply not able to increase our testing capacity as quickly as the number of cases rises. Then two things will coincide: First, some of the people who are now sick with COVID-19 will die. And second, because we won't be able to test everyone, our statistics will be incomplete. Our fatality rate will then also rise. It will appear that the virus has become more dangerous, but this will be a statistical artifact, a distortion. It will simply reflect what's already starting to happen: We're missing more and more infections.

ZEIT ONLINE: What can we do about it?

Drosten: We have to take shortcuts. If one person in a household tests positive, we could, for instance, consider the entire household to be positive, even without a test. Because we know that is what is going to happen: If one family member gets infected, they infect everyone else. If you say right away that the entire family is positive, you save yourself a lot of testing. Imagine that you're infected, and the next day your wife has to go and stand in line. And then imagine the test doesn't detect her infection yet, and she has to come back. That doesn't make any sense. So, it's better if the entire family isolates at home from the get-go. They're already doing this in the Netherlands and I'm going to suggest that Germany follow suit in discussions with health authorities.

ZEIT ONLINE: What other options are there?

Drosten: At some point, suspected cases will be reported only on the basis of symptoms and then the statistics will begin to reflect this. At the same time, available tests will have to be reserved for those people most at risk. If an otherwise healthy student is at home on her couch watching Netflix, as a general practitioner, I don't need to know whether she's positive or not. She should just stay there and get better. But when a 70-year-old patient of mine gets sick and is isolated at home, then I'd like to test him in order to then be able to call every two days and ask how his breathing is. That way, he can be admitted to a hospital early enough and doesn't show up to an out-patient clinic with a clotted lung and have to immediately be transferred to an intensive care unit.

ZEIT ONLINE: Will we soon have tests that are faster than the current ones?

Drosten: Some are already commercially available, mostly those that detect antibodies. Their quality probably varies. And they only work after 10 days, since that's when patients have developed antibodies. In the first 10 days, these tests are blind, so to speak. We have to wait until antigen tests are developed, which can actually detect viral proteins. These tests will work like a pregnancy test – and they'll also provide results just as quickly. If the tests work well, they'll be able to completely replace the current ones. Then people won't have to wait in lines anymore. I hope this will happen by May.

ZEIT ONLINE: By then, millions of people could be infected. How well are German clinics prepared for that eventuality?

Drosten: No matter how you count or who you speak to: We have to bring down the number of cases now. Otherwise we won't be able to handle it. Otherwise we'll have exactly the same problems as Italy within a few weeks. We do have more beds, and maybe we're a little better trained. But even though intensive care in Germany is good, there's still not enough of it. Based on the current figures, we would need – even by conservative estimates – to double our current intensive-care capacity in order to even come close to ventilating everyone who needs it.

ZEIT ONLINE: Germany's federal and state governments have now adopted an emergency plan. Additional capacities for minor cases are to be created and the number of intensive care beds doubled.

Drosten: That's a good plan. And in order to do this, we need the time that we hope to buy with the current measures. Now is the phase in which ventilators are still being ordered and hospital wards cleared. All this (points to a nearby building) belongs to the hospital. Normally it's used for offices. Now it's being cleared out and beds are being set up inside – including ones with ventilators. Processes like these take a few weeks. That's what the weeks we're trying to buy ourselves now are for, and not primarily for developing a vaccine.

ZEIT ONLINE: Let's look at the virus itself. You have been researching coronaviruses for many years. What has surprised you most about SARS-CoV-2 so far?

Drosten: Clearly the fact that it replicates in the throat. With the SARS virus, which caused the outbreak in 2002-2003, we were never able to isolate it in the throat. SARS patients had far fewer viruses in their bodies and the pathogens were far less infectious. In addition, the new coronavirus contains an astonishing biological innovation: a protease cleavage site in the surface protein of the virus. In the case of bird flu, for example, whether this site is there or not makes the difference whether the pathogen makes poultry very sick or not.

ZEIT ONLINE: What's so special about this cleavage site?

Drosten: The surface protein must be cut so that the virus can mature and enter the next cell. And this cleavage site may enable the virus to be cut even when it's only just been released from the last infected cell. It's like a sheet of paper that's easier to tear off the notepad because it's perforated. And SARS-CoV-2 has this perforation.

ZEIT ONLINE: What does this mean for the disease?

Drosten: We don't know for sure yet. It could allow the virus to already be mature when it leaves the cell – ready to enter the next one. This could also be the reason why SARS-CoV-2 replicates so well in the throat and why it can be transmitted so easily. We now have to figure all that out.

ZEIT ONLINE: Just like the question as to the precise case fatality rate.

Drosten: Right now, there's actually another variable that's more important: the so-called infection fatality rate. This indicates the percentage of infected people who die – including those who have no or only a few symptoms and are therefore not recorded as cases. As such, it also serves as an estimate of how high the number of unreported cases is. How many people who contract the disease don't show any symptoms at all, or only have sore throats? Among the first infected people in Germany, whom we closely examined for a study, there were quite a few. At the moment, I often hear that 80 percent of cases have only mild symptoms. But my impression is: Maybe it's even a lot more. That would be important to know.

ZEIT ONLINE: Elderly and sick people are particularly at risk of contracting COVID-19. Yet over and over again, there are also reports of people in their early or mid-30s who have to be admitted to intensive care or who even die. Why is that?

Drosten: This is also the case with other respiratory diseases, that younger people sometimes fall seriously ill. But we often don't know a lot about people. In the media, you'll here: "A 35-year-old is in intensive care." But a 35-year-old can have massive underlying diseases. We know, for example, that a high body mass index is a major risk factor for COVID-19, as is coronary heart disease, i.e. a narrowing of the coronary vessels due to vascular calcification. Pneumonia puts a massive strain on the cardiovascular system. If that system is already damaged, the extra strain can sometimes overwhelm it. And there are many people between the ages of 35 and 50 who live with such risk factors. Another hypothesis is that someone may inhale a huge dose of the virus directly into their lungs. Then the virus immediately replicates deep within the respiratory tract without having previously triggered any immune response in the throat. Then people might get really sick right away and the body has no remedy for it yet. Like I said, it's a hypothesis.

ZEIT ONLINE: According to what we know so far, men are more likely to fall ill than women. Are there clues as to why that might be?

Drosten: We don't know for sure yet. It's possible that risk factors like the ones we just discussed are more common in men. Some studies also suggest that the binding site the virus uses to enter cells is especially common on the cells of Asians, and especially males. But honestly, I think this explanation fits into the picture well and that's why it was interpreted this way. Besides, the virus is also spreading outside China, so I don't think this argument is very likely. There just isn't any good data on this yet.

ZEIT ONLINE: You've often said that neither drugs nor vaccines will be available in time for this outbreak. Is there no hope at all?

Drosten: It is conceivable that the situation will become so bad that regulations will be suspended. One could imagine certain aspects of vaccine approval being ignored during this crisis and vaccines that haven't been tested well being used on people. These are far-fetched scenarios, and they're speculative. But if things get very bad – and I don't want to rule that out at the moment – something like this could be conceivable. A number of biotech companies have had vaccine candidates in the pipeline for quite some time.

ZEIT ONLINE: In the U.S. this week, a volunteer test subject received a possible vaccine manufactured by a private biotech company. It is based on mRNA, so small pieces of genetic material. Is this the right approach?

Drosten: I can't really say yet. I think it's a quick approach. I don't know if it's also the mass approach we need right now. At the moment, this would perhaps more likely be a surface protein of the virus that can be produced en masse and against which the immune system produces antibodies in large quantities. Some companies are pursuing this approach. That kind of vaccine would then be earmarked for risk groups. If things were to get really bad, one could imagine something like this happening.

ZEIT ONLINE: At what point would you say things are bad enough for such steps to be taken?

Drosten: I can't and don't want to imagine that at the moment.

ZEIT ONLINE: Do you consider any medications promising?

Drosten: I see the antiviral drug remdesivir as the best option. It was originally developed to treat Ebola. Studies are currently underway, but at the moment, the manufacturer only permits it to be used on people who are already seriously ill, and only then under a special protocol and only within a small timeframe. Ideally, it would be possible to give it to patients sooner, and for that, much greater quantities would have to be available. We now have to wait and see what the first results are.

ZEIT ONLINE: And other drugs?

Drosten: I don't see any real alternatives. Neither the malaria drug chloroquine nor the HIV drugs ritonavir/lopinavir. Both have been the subject of clinical studies, but the results haven't been convincing.

ZEIT ONLINE: Italy is apparently considering experimenting with treating patients with the plasma of people who have already recovered from the infection.

Drosten: It is a tempting idea. There still isn't any published data on the treatment, but there are a lot of young, healthy patients who would be perfect plasma donors. When they become infected, they produce the best antibodies around. If they are administered to patients at the right moment, then it is certainly a possibility. I can imagine that in maybe two months, the first small analyses of case studies – potentially also from Germany – will be available. But extremely rapid results, at least on a large scale, cannot be expected from all of these measures.

ZEIT ONLINE: What about from rising springtime temperatures?

Drosten: This effect isn't likely to be particularly pronounced. It won't be able to stop the outbreak, but it may help a bit. And combined with the isolation measures, I strongly expect that we will see an impact in a month.

ZEIT ONLINE: And then? What happens after that?

Drosten: We perhaps have to assume that from a societal perspective, we'll have to go through a year in a state of emergency. But we probably won't continue pursuing all measures precisely as we have now introduced them. We will be able to, we will have to, adjust them. Some things will be phased out. But during the initial phase between now and the week after Easter, we really have to take rigorous action and keep a close eye on the development of the number of cases.

ZEIT ONLINE: A year of a state of emergency? What will our lives look like during this period?

Drosten: Nobody knows. I can't imagine it yet either. More than anything, a solution for our schools must be found. That is the most important thing. At the universities, I think it's OK to lose a semester or two. But losing an entire schoolyear is simply too difficult because there is so much depending on it, not least for our economy. We'll have to find a solution. And, of course, also for those who are particularly at risk.

ZEIT ONLINE: What kinds of things do you have in mind?

Drosten: Certain arrangements could be made specifically for such risk groups, for example by rigorously testing the elderly and those at risk early on and giving them priority when it comes to hospital admissions. And those at higher risk will have to continue to work from home, for an extended period. It could be possible to find ways to isolate elderly people at home. There could be shuttle services for them, and groceries would have to be delivered to them. Volunteers could help, perhaps even the German military. And in day-to-day life, children would have to be kept away from those at risk as strictly as possible.

ZEIT ONLINE: And then the schools could be opened again?

Drosten: Perhaps measures could be imposed, like half the school can use only these hallways and the other half the other hallways. There would no longer be a long recess, and perhaps no short ones either. Common rooms would no longer be used and would be locked. With such measures, you can reduce effective group sizes in the schools. That would require some planning, but we have time between now and the week after Easter. The most important thing is that we need scientific data regarding the situation at schools.

ZEIT ONLINE: And what if grandparents want to see their grandchildren again?

Drosten: Perhaps it will be the case that grandchildren will first have to undergo a test when they want to visit grandma and grandpa to be sure that they don't infect them. Such details now need to be clarified. With the political decisions that have been made, social life has been put on hold. But hopefully adjustments can be made with the help of scientific findings and modelling that apply specifically to Germany.


ZEIT ONLINE: When will people be able to go back to work?

Drosten: In the medical world, consideration is already being given to the idea of testing people so they can go to work. Once antigen tests are available, that could be expanded to include other occupational groups. Plus, if we assume that during the current wave of infections, perhaps 10 to 15 million people will become infected in Germany by autumn, we will soon have a large number of people with antibodies. People who are immune. Then, there will be doctors and nurses who can work without masks, and in other occupational groups, there will also be people who say: "I've made it through." And their number will continually increase.

ZEIT ONLINE: For how long will those people be immune?

Drosten: Those who have become infected will likely be immune for the rest of the pandemic, I would think – for a couple of years. And even if you were to become infected again, then it would be experienced as a harmless cold. The second infection wouldn't be as bad. That, at least, would be my best guess at present.

ZEIT ONLINE: How can we find out who has already been infected?

Drosten: By performing large, cross-sectional studies in the population, once in summer and again in October. Ideally it could be done with the help of blood banks, where blood is already being taken and stored. The goal must be that of establishing a decent estimate for each age group as to how many people have made it through the infection and now have antibodies. By doing so, it will be possible to find out whether we have reached the 60 to 70 percent level, which is the share of the population that will likely ultimately be infected.

ZEIT ONLINE: And then the virus will be gone after a year and a half?

Drosten: No, it will likely follow the path of the other coronaviruses that merely give you a cold. We will have to live with them, but they aren't as dangerous to us anymore once with have withstood the current outbreak.

ZEIT ONLINE: That all sounds like an immense challenge. Are we up to it as a society?

Drosten: It will be a difficult time and there will be huge economic losses. But yes, of course we'll get through it. We have to.

Translators: Chris Cottrell and Charles Hawley

In another interview he said about footballmatches in stadiums (that includes packed stadiums for concerts as well):


“I don't believe at all that we'll be filling football stadiums again in the foreseeable future. That is superfluous. That will not happen until this time next year," explains virologist Christian Drosten in an interview with “stern”.

For the record, I wasn't talking about the now postponed tour per se, I was talking about the flights - and how the different airlines are handling the situation.

For fans who were planning to travel from Europe, you actually have better passenger's rights due to the EU regulation.

See the European Commission's guidelines here:

[ec.europa.eu]

Thanks very much Too Tough for posting that interview,it is for sure the best thing I’ve read about the situation so far everyone should read it.


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No Chris, it does not work for me just because Faux News carries a press conference. No offense but Fox is not where one should look to get real news...the major networks tend to report just the facts. Knowing that some of these broadcasters on Fox speak directly to someone in the white house on a daily basis tells me all I need to know....Fox gets the WORD directly from that person in the white house...propaganda....pure & simple.

Topi

West jet offer is only for march & april flight

For may we have to wait ...

François

Just got notice from TicketMaster that my RS events are postponed.
No new dates available yet. No refund option listed.

~"Love is Strong"~

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Just got notice from TicketMaster that my RS events are postponed.
No new dates available yet. No refund option listed.

Me too. Same email as last weeks.
Not good for folks who need that money refunded now.

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I'm going to use the stimulus check to buy Stones concert tickets- Still think Louisville would be a cool place to go.

Chris, a Cool place indeed. A little slow (and I have solid reference-traveling all over, abroad), but it's home to me and wish this show would come to fruition, but current reality does seem to play that way, is my guess. This show does come about, I'll be sure to be to first in line to offer you a cool refreshment and happy to be your tour guide of my hometown

Visited Louisville last year, took a whirlwind tour from St. Louis for my kids spring break to see Alice Cooper, through Lexington to see the Ark Encounter, and to Cincinnati just for fun (was also opening day of baseball but was rained out).

Louisville Slugger museum and Muhammid Ali museum all downtown within walking distance of an entertainment district and hotels. Ali museum had the torch he raised at the Olympics, some of his outfits and gloves, though was slightly disappointed, seemed like 80% was civil rights and religion, 20% boxing.

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Just got notice from TicketMaster that my RS events are postponed.
No new dates available yet. No refund option listed.

Me too. Same email as last weeks.
Not good for folks who need that money refunded now.

Yes I also received a email. I went to the Ticketmaster site and
found you can purchase tickets now for five of the shows. The dates
are not new dates. Aside from these five or six shows, all the others
are marked postponed with no ability to purchase tickets.

I think the answer is it’s just a mistake and Ticketmaster will correct
it once they discover the problem. These are shows from the beginning and
the end of the tour.

I suppose this could be ticketmaster working on the new sequence. If so, the
opening show is San Diego and the closing show is Vancouver.

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I suppose this could be ticketmaster working on the new sequence. If so, the
opening show is San Diego and the closing show is Vancouver.

Meant nothing last year. Will be the same again this time.

Ticketmaster just released online refunds!

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Source: Fox News Chief Medical Officer (I think out of Johns Hopkins) " Most viruses cannot withstand temps over 70 -75 degrees F. Spring is near - for my Northern friends-

sorry for offtopic, here in Europe it was said about temperature, but doctors are saying that this virus lifes inside people who has body temperature - 36,6 C. so people can have it and spread it to another and another. temperature is not important. so 75 F is 24 C. I mean that you better isolate, stay safe at home than count that virus will dissapear in a blink of an eye. I hope good times are coming..

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Ticketmaster just released online refunds!

Not showing uo for my tix yet.. San Diego, Austin, Van or Nashville.
Hopefully for others maybe? I'm holding on to all mine anyway.. for now

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I suppose this could be ticketmaster working on the new sequence. If so, the
opening show is San Diego and the closing show is Vancouver.

Meant nothing last year. Will be the same again this time.

Yes, thanks now I remember this happening last year as well.

I can't even access my account or tickets right now -it says "400 Bad Request" - whereas earlier today I was able to get in there, and the refund option was not there for San Diego.
Hoping for a refund at this point, and if/when the Stones do reschedule I'll think about getting new tickets then because right now I'd rather have my money back in my own bank account.
Hoping the next time I'm able to access my account and tickets, I'll see the REFUND button - not just for the Stones, but for several other concerts that have been postponed without a new date yet.

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

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Ticketmaster just released online refunds!

Not showing for Vancouver, Detroit, Buffalo or Charlotte. In fact, Buffalo still shows as going ahead on the scheduled date.

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I can't even access my account or tickets right now -it says "400 Bad Request" - whereas earlier today I was able to get in there, and the refund option was not there for San Diego.
Hoping for a refund at this point, and if/when the Stones do reschedule I'll think about getting new tickets then because right now I'd rather have my money back in my own bank account.
Hoping the next time I'm able to access my account and tickets, I'll see the REFUND button - not just for the Stones, but for several other concerts that have been postponed without a new date yet.

Yeah.. May return my lone Golden Circle.. the rest are Lucky Dips so worth holding on to for a bit.. never know
Wonder where the info came from.. Odd that no one else yet has confirmed.

bv
I wish you safety but you really are all doom and gloom

I ask you to look at Macau casinos- closed on february 5th and reopened on february 20 today is march 23.
They have been reopened for over 30 days!
The regulator and government would not have reopened if was as bad as you say.

One of the reasons Italy was hit so hard- because they have the oldest population in Europe

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...Macau casinos- closed on february 5th and reopened on february 20 today is march 23.
They have been reopened for over 30 days!
The regulator and government would not have reopened if was as bad as you say.

... or everybody went out there with a trophy (sort of) ...

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says
The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5.

As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.

[www.bloomberg.com]

Was able to get back in account and see all orders for various concerts. While there is still no refund option for Rolling Stones San Diego May 8th, there was a refund option for Dallas which I had Lucky Dips for.
Bought those on a whim with the possibility of being able to attend, but as it turned out no way I could have made it and was going to try an transfer to someone else some way and some how, one way or another.
With the hassle and risk involved of sharing credit card info. etc., and as much as it hurt to click the submit refund button, really had no choice...



"Due to the current COVID-19 situation, we are experiencing a high volume of postponed and rescheduled events.
You will receive your refund in as soon as 30 days. Thank you for your understanding".

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This is one small step for Hairball, and one giant leap for Stones fans ha.
Now hoping/waiting for the refund button to appear for San Diego where I have a $499.50 +fee ticket lingering in limbo and waiting to be refunded.

For those who like to gamble and would hope to see the Stones in Dallas for cheap, there's a pair of Lucky Dips at $73.66 that were just thrown back in to the pot - good luck!

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-03-24 07:00 by Hairball.

Nashville refund option is now showing. Except I've requested a refund and it still shows the 'request refund' option, so don't have a lot of confidence in it...

syrel