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One basic mistake people make is judging the past thru the eyes of today.
Name one rock star from the 70's who did not use his superstar status to bed underage girls... I think Keith never did it. But Page or Plant? or the guys in the Who?
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One basic mistake people make is judging the past thru the eyes of today.
Name one rock star from the 70's who did not use his superstar status to bed underage girls... I think Keith never did it. But Page or Plant? or the guys in the Who?
LOL, with tens of thousands of girls to choose from they had use "superstar status" to go after an underage girl. They couldn't find a hotter 18yr old? There's something more to that thought process then just sex. I mean really, out of all the girls they could get, that 15yr old is "the one"?
Maybe they like the fact that the 15 y.o. girl hasn't been with 20 other guys like the 18 y.o. groupie.
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One basic mistake people make is judging the past thru the eyes of today.
Name one rock star from the 70's who did not use his superstar status to bed underage girls... I think Keith never did it. But Page or Plant? or the guys in the Who?
LOL, with tens of thousands of girls to choose from they had use "superstar status" to go after an underage girl. They couldn't find a hotter 18yr old? There's something more to that thought process then just sex. I mean really, out of all the girls they could get, that 15yr old is "the one"?
RDC said she viewed the whole experience as empowering and pleasant, so obviously she doesn't regret it. If she feels that way why would anyone else feel a need to judge Mick Jagger for providing her with a good experience?
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Could it affect the tour?
A smart lawyer could convince RDC to sue him and then MJ has committed a crime and could be banned from US.
If so, then just come to Europe for a tour. We are ready.
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RDC said she viewed the whole experience as empowering and pleasant. So obviously she doesn't regret it. If she feels that way why would anyone feel a need to judge Mick Jagger for providing her with a good experience?
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RDC said she viewed the whole experience as empowering and pleasant. So obviously she doesn't regret it. If she feels that way why would anyone feel a need to judge Mick Jagger for providing her with a good experience?
Rock stars can have anyone. If that someone is underage then the mindset is more predatory than sex. The only judgment is the error in judgment by ANYONE who chooses to do that. For any rock star to do it is unnecessary. There's simply so many others to choose from. Is there anyone one here that would say they would have done the same thing? Maybe I'm looking at it wrong. Is 3 years under 18 that much of a "premium" that you had to go for it?
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If you want wholesome performers, then listen to The Carpenters.
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While you're rounding up your fellow villagers with their torches so you can storm the castle, kindly remember these are criminals who took lots of illegal drugs and played with guns; have serial addictions to sex, drugs, and alcohol; and (yes) glorified their scandalous behavior as part of their image, in their lyrics, and in their artistic expression from cover art to tour inflatables to video images to advertising.
They are bad people doing what they please. That's the point. That means being unfaithful, sleeping with underage girls, playing with the occult, hanging with dangerous criminals, and behaving like moral degenerates. That's who they are. They don't apologize for being transparent.
If you've suddenly developed a moral compass that says The Rolling Stones are shameful people, don't tell it to fans on their messageboard. Go find Jesus or political correctness or whatever else makes you feel morally superior and stop listening to what offends you. You're no longer a fan. I salute your maturity and responsibility. Just please don't waste anyone's time here trying to convert them. Most of us knew what we were getting when we bought the ticket. The truth is, the bad behavior is a big part of why we love them.
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Rocky Dijon
While you're rounding up your fellow villagers with their torches so you can storm the castle, kindly remember these are criminals who took lots of illegal drugs and played with guns; have serial addictions to sex, drugs, and alcohol; and (yes) glorified their scandalous behavior as part of their image, in their lyrics, and in their artistic expression from cover art to tour inflatables to video images to advertising.
They are bad people doing what they please. That's the point. That means being unfaithful, sleeping with underage girls, playing with the occult, hanging with dangerous criminals, and behaving like moral degenerates. That's who they are. They don't apologize for being transparent.
If you've suddenly developed a moral compass that says The Rolling Stones are shameful people, don't tell it to fans on their messageboard. Go find Jesus or political correctness or whatever else makes you feel morally superior and stop listening to what offends you. You're no longer a fan. I salute your maturity and responsibility. Just please don't waste anyone's time here trying to convert them. Most of us knew what we were getting when we bought the ticket. The truth is, the bad behavior is a big part of why we love them.
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While you're rounding up your fellow villagers with their torches so you can storm the castle, kindly remember these are criminals who took lots of illegal drugs and played with guns; have serial addictions to sex, drugs, and alcohol; and (yes) glorified their scandalous behavior as part of their image, in their lyrics, and in their artistic expression from cover art to tour inflatables to video images to advertising.
They are bad people doing what they please. That's the point. That means being unfaithful, sleeping with underage girls, playing with the occult, hanging with dangerous criminals, and behaving like moral degenerates. That's who they are. They don't apologize for being transparent.
If you've suddenly developed a moral compass that says The Rolling Stones are shameful people, don't tell it to fans on their messageboard. Go find Jesus or political correctness or whatever else makes you feel morally superior and stop listening to what offends you. You're no longer a fan. I salute your maturity and responsibility. Just please don't waste anyone's time here trying to convert them. Most of us knew what we were getting when we bought the ticket. The truth is, the bad behavior is a big part of why we love them.
As being a person of unsavory character myself, I was simply expressing that if you need to go to a little girl to get your rocks off then that's your thing and it's not mine. To say I can't express an opinion on it here (and you are) while you can express your opinion defending it is just your typical bloviating. I will still listen to their music, go to the shows and post here just like you. I have no interest in being morally superior, politically correct, religious, or mature it's just not my vice and I have every right to say it. Furthermore, anyone here that is wholesome and of good morals has the right to express their opinion too. If you don't like it, then you go somewhere else. There you see, I can be a friggin blowhard windbag just like you.
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As myself being a person of unsavory character, I was simply expressing that if you need to go to a little girl to get your rocks off then that's your thing and it's not mine. To say I can't express an opinion on it here (and you are) while you can express your opinion defending it is just your typical bloviating
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I love The Carpenters...
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What about when an entire country gets fucked?
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nick
If you don't like it, then you go somewhere else. There you see, I can be a friggin blowhard windbag just like you.
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As myself being a person of unsavory character, I was simply expressing that if you need to go to a little girl to get your rocks off then that's your thing and it's not mine. To say I can't express an opinion on it here (and you are) while you can express your opinion defending it is just your typical bloviating
You miss my point which since I apparently talk endlessly in an inflated fashion saying nothing of value (thank you for that) must be my fault.
Try two other viewpoints: We all know Keith was a junkie. That doesn't mean we're okay with people using heroin. We understood that when we became fans unless we're old enough to have been a fan before 1968. We're not scandalized to hear more junkie stories about him.
We all know about Bill and Mandy. That doesn't mean we're okay with underage sex, but we knew "Stray Cat Blues," "Summer Romance," and "So Young" and didn't imagine they were fantasizing. It was part of their lives.
They're outlaws. We don't hold them to society's standards. Sometimes they came close to being held to it by the Establishment, but most of us are glad they didn't do time and got off with wrist slappings. Some of us point out quite fairly that's the privilege of wealth and is unfair, but we didn't want the band broken up in 1967 any more than we did in 1977 or 1986. Whether we like to admit it or not, we're glad they're outlaws who got away with the crime even if we wouldn't be okay if it was us, our friends, our neighbors, our co-workers doing the same thing. It's the same mentality that made gangsters folk heroes. They transgress what we can't and it appeals to us and we try not to think about the consequences for those who were hurt by their actions.
If that's still being long-winded and devoid of meaning, I can't help you. For what it's worth, while I may have responded to your post immediately before mine, I was directing it to the outrage of many, not one. Yes, it was wrong of Mick. No, we shouldn't be surprised. Yes, it was wrong of Keith with Quincy Jones' underage (according to her) daughter. No, we shouldn't be surprised. And on and on. It's what they do. They had the opportunity, the power, and the notoriety to do what would have been unthinkable had they not been stars. We might tell ourselves we wouldn't have made the same terrible mistakes, but we can't honestly know that not having the same circumstances in which to choose.
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Could it affect the tour?
A smart lawyer could convince RDC to sue him and then MJ has committed a crime and could be banned from US.
If so, then just come to Europe for a tour. We are ready.
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Ket
if a 58 year old woman reflects fondly on a fling in her youth where there is NO victim then why is this even an issue?
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what do you mean 'using underage girls'? did you even read the 58 year old woman's reflection? do you think she was a victim? look I'm not saying having sex with an underage person is not wrong but please read HER statement.