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Chacho
My policy is, if it is not highly rated, it is for a very good reason.
Yep, and one of those reasons – if not the main reason – is the reason Spud mentioned in his post above: It's tough to challenge the «herd»
No. The main reason is that when choosing between Exile or Goat Head's Soup (and admittedly, there are good songs on GHS), 9 out of 10, you choose Exile. When choosing between Tattoo You and Undercover (and admittedly, there are good songs on U), 9 out of 10, you choose Tattoo You. When choosing between..., well, you get my drift.
I see your point. It took me more than 20 years to appreciate TY more than Undercover, though
So, actually that would make initially TY underrated. Just as Exile actually, which wasn't very well received at the beginning.
Side-B of Tattoo You is of course a bit of a surprise if you expect an album of rock songs: a complete side of soulful ballads with Heaven as an odd "psychedelic" one out. Its quality takes time to recogize but then shines forever. Whereas with U, there's great stuff on it, but its effect quickly fades off and there's too much on it which is just not good at all.
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duke richardson
Emotional Rescue is underated..
isn't it..?
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Ket
Black and Blue for me, the best one in the 3 studio LP's between Exile and Some Girls in my opinion.
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GasLightStreet
I find the case of too much not good at all on UNDERCOVER to be absurd, which is no different than saying I Just Want To See His Face being an excellent track.
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Chacho
My policy is, if it is not highly rated, it is for a very good reason.
Yep, and one of those reasons – if not the main reason – is the reason Spud mentioned in his post above: It's tough to challenge the «herd»
No. The main reason is that when choosing between Exile or Goat Head's Soup (and admittedly, there are good songs on GHS), 9 out of 10, you choose Exile. When choosing between Tattoo You and Undercover (and admittedly, there are good songs on U), 9 out of 10, you choose Tattoo You. When choosing between..., well, you get my drift.
I see your point. It took me more than 20 years to appreciate TY more than Undercover, though
So, actually that would make initially TY underrated. Just as Exile actually, which wasn't very well received at the beginning.
Side-B of Tattoo You is of course a bit of a surprise if you expect an album of rock songs: a complete side of soulful ballads with Heaven as an odd "psychedelic" one out. Its quality takes time to recogize but then shines forever. Whereas with U, there's great stuff on it, but its effect quickly fades off and there's too much on it which is just not good at all.
Feel On Baby is Undercover's "Heaven". I still love that album, btw
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Chacho
My policy is, if it is not highly rated, it is for a very good reason.
Yep, and one of those reasons – if not the main reason – is the reason Spud mentioned in his post above: It's tough to challenge the «herd»
No. The main reason is that when choosing between Exile or Goat Head's Soup (and admittedly, there are good songs on GHS), 9 out of 10, you choose Exile. When choosing between Tattoo You and Undercover (and admittedly, there are good songs on U), 9 out of 10, you choose Tattoo You. When choosing between..., well, you get my drift.
I see your point. It took me more than 20 years to appreciate TY more than Undercover, though
So, actually that would make initially TY underrated. Just as Exile actually, which wasn't very well received at the beginning.
Side-B of Tattoo You is of course a bit of a surprise if you expect an album of rock songs: a complete side of soulful ballads with Heaven as an odd "psychedelic" one out. Its quality takes time to recogize but then shines forever. Whereas with U, there's great stuff on it, but its effect quickly fades off and there's too much on it which is just not good at all.
Feel On Baby is Undercover's "Heaven". I still love that album, btw
I don't inmediately see the connection between "Feel On Baby" and "Heaven" but I love both songs deeply. On Undercover, "Feel on Baby" and "Tie You Up" are the highlights. On Tattoo You all songs (except for Hang Fire) are highlights, but Heaven is certainly a high-highlight.
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I find the case of too much not good at all on UNDERCOVER to be absurd, which is no different than saying I Just Want To See His Face being an excellent track.
I agree with you that I Just Want To See His Face becomes good in context. As a separate song it's odd but nothing stellar. It just fits in.
With Undercover, however, it's not just that some songs are out of context (actually, the context of U is pretty clear) but some songs are - I find - really bad. Not bad as in "not stellar, only works in context" but bad as in "Gomper" or "Back to Zero" bad. There are four of them: "Wanna Hold You" is terrible. And then the last three: "Too Tough", "All The Way Down" (you seem to think one is good, the other not so much, personally, I can hardly remember the difference between them, they are throwaway rubbish to me) and obviously "Must Be Hell". Without those 4 songs, Undercover would have been a very good album because all the other songs are good in many different ways *and* fit in the overall "bleak, gloomy" context. So, it's not an underrated album but a flawed album. Which is a pity.
I'd say Emotional Rescue is an underrated album. It's obviously not their best but it doesn't have any bad songs on it (but that's because I actually like "Indian Girl") and some (not many, but some) very good ones.
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No Security is a great album but I didn't realize it was not highly rated.
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duke richardson
Emotional Rescue is underated..
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I find the case of too much not good at all on UNDERCOVER to be absurd, which is no different than saying I Just Want To See His Face being an excellent track.
I agree with you that I Just Want To See His Face becomes good in context. As a separate song it's odd but nothing stellar. It just fits in.
With Undercover, however, it's not just that some songs are out of context (actually, the context of U is pretty clear) but some songs are - I find - really bad. Not bad as in "not stellar, only works in context" but bad as in "Gomper" or "Back to Zero" bad. There are four of them: "Wanna Hold You" is terrible. And then the last three: "Too Tough", "All The Way Down" (you seem to think one is good, the other not so much, personally, I can hardly remember the difference between them, they are throwaway rubbish to me) and obviously "Must Be Hell". Without those 4 songs, Undercover would have been a very good album because all the other songs are good in many different ways *and* fit in the overall "bleak, gloomy" context. So, it's not an underrated album but a flawed album. Which is a pity.
I'd say Emotional Rescue is an underrated album. It's obviously not their best but it doesn't have any bad songs on it (but that's because I actually like "Indian Girl") and some (not many, but some) very good ones.
Ehhhhhh, there's nothing as bad as Gomper or Back To Zero on UNDERCOVER to my ears. Dated, sure, but not as bad.
All The Way Down moves along, has a good melody, funny lyrics, some great singing by Mick, it's basically a Stones-by-numbers track that's decent. There's certainly nothing outstanding about it.
Too Tough is weird, it's a bit jarring, and even though it's a tune they started on in 1975 they could've left it off for something better.
Wanna Hold You... I've gone through phases of liking it, not liking it, but never thinking much of it. It is rather nowhere.
It Must Be Hell - Mick's delivery is hilarious but the riff... at least they didn't recycle something everyone would know, like Start Me Up or Brown Sugar, but taking Soul Survivor and Honky Tonk Women and putting new words over those is weak (regardless of Mick's excellent vocal work).
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duke richardson
Emotional Rescue is underated..
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Send It To me
Voodoo sounds amazing but the songs are a bit weak.
Steel Wheels has great songs but sounds a bit weak.
Bridges is uneven and has poor production but has great highlights song-wise.
Black & Blue is great but short and lacks a BIG HIT - weird to think they had Start Me Up, Waiting On A Friend, & Slave sitting on a shelf when they put it out.
Goats Head Soup is truly great and underrated.
Bigger Bang is truly great and underrated.
Emotional Rescue was a misfire, except for about 3-4 tracks.
Dirty Work is underrated because, although it isn't great, One Hit is amazingly good and Winning Ugly, Harlem Shuffle, Had With You & Too Rude are all really solid.
Undercover is truly great and underrated.
Between the Buttons is truly great and underrated.
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Spud
I think a lot of folks are afraid not to follow the pack when it comes to rating albums... and tend to jump on band wagons, sometimes over praising or over slating certain albums in relative terms.
For some folks , the four albums from 68 to 72 are sublime...and rest seemingly rubbish.
Maybe a slight exaggeration of the truth .
We do, however, have a few brave folks, prepared to stick their heads above the parapet in praise of their much maligned favourites...usually to then receive a whole lot of flak !
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Gazza
Everything up to Between the Buttons.
The early records get relatively little attention on fansites.