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His Majesty
ABKCO have @#$%& up this time. 1968 recordings in a 1969 upload. Woops.
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jlowe
Unlike some of the Dylan Copyright issues we haven't had multiple recordings /takes of the same composition.
So, presumably there are still lots of alternative takes out there, in ABKCO vaults, Stones vaults, and in private hands.
Those in the latter category are now in the Public Domain?
And could be released on the iorr label?
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His Majesty
That they are 'rehearsals' for Circus sounds plausible, but not that they were recorded at the circus.
The sound is too full etc and different to actual circus recordings. That full and beautiful Olympic sound.
So, I say recordings done at Olympic for/in preparation for The R&R Circus in early December 1968.
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His Majesty
That they are 'rehearsals' for Circus sounds plausible, but not that they were recorded at the circus.
The sound is too full etc and different to actual circus recordings. That full and beautiful Olympic sound.
So, I say recordings done at Olympic for/in preparation for The R&R Circus in early December 1968.
Maybe they were painfully aware they hadn't played live since April 1967? And they were scared of having to compete with The Who or Jethro Tull (two bands hot from constant touring)? So they discreetly orgazined a rehearsal session at Olympic so they could set the "gig" machine in motion without anyone looking?
EDIT : ahem... that's what zentgraf just hinted at :
681208A 8th December: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller.
Sound engineer: Glyn Johns. Recording session for Rock And Roll Circus, incl.
- Sympathy For The Devil (MJ/KR)
- Ruby Tuesday (MJ/KR)"
"Including" so logically there's more on the tape... Maybe one day around 2050 or 2060... ><
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His Majesty
That they are 'rehearsals' for Circus sounds plausible, but not that they were recorded at the circus.
The sound is too full etc and different to actual circus recordings. That full and beautiful Olympic sound.
So, I say recordings done at Olympic for/in preparation for The R&R Circus in early December 1968.
Maybe they were painfully aware they hadn't played live since April 1967? And they were scared of having to compete with The Who or Jethro Tull (two bands hot from constant touring)? So they discreetly orgazined a rehearsal session at Olympic so they could set the "gig" machine in motion without anyone looking?
EDIT : ahem... that's what zentgraf just hinted at :
681208A 8th December: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller.
Sound engineer: Glyn Johns. Recording session for Rock And Roll Circus, incl.
- Sympathy For The Devil (MJ/KR)
- Ruby Tuesday (MJ/KR)"
"Including" so logically there's more on the tape... Maybe one day around 2050 or 2060... ><
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retired_dog
However, songwriters always have the right to allow or veto the first release/publication of a composition, just like they retain the right to allow or veto the use of their compositions for advertising campaigns, the use of foreign language lyrics instead of the original lyrics etc. All these are personal rights guaranteed by law that songwriters usually can't even sign away in contractual agreements even if they want to.
No, sorry this is all very much not true. First, it is much more complicated, and second it really depends on which country.
As a writer you have very limited power on what the owner of the publishing rights does with your tracks -even big bands like the Stones have limited to no say in whatever compilation is released by publisher ABKCO. Second, you CAN sign away your personal rights, unknowingly (again, Stones, or CCR, or Prince, or even Lennon/McCartney) or knowingly (Bowie is the best example of selling all his personal rights for 100 mm$).
Then, in most countries, and especially the USA, music can be used in most affairs without consent of the publisher and author. No one can stop a radio station from playing your music, or your music being used in a political campaign, or being played in a stadium during a basketball game. Only in advertising and broadcasting on TV or movie an agreement must be reached when the clip is longer than 29 seconds.
What is not even guaranteed is that you get your money. Most contracts are vague, and many companies are rogue. Many owner of the publishing rights have basically stolen money from the artists, and it can take years and years to get part of that money. The Small Faces and Immediate Records come to mind, Micky Most and RAK is also known, and of course Allan Klein.
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jbwelda
>it’s actually quite a feat, to mix and edit three shows down to the final
>released Ya Ya’s
I do not understand this comment; I was under the distinct impression that Ya Yas, despite what it may claim in the credits, was only partially recorded at MSG. Instead it was a conglomeration of tracks from various stops on the tour, sometimes more than one source per song. In fact I recall some very lengthy analysis of the song sources back in Sticky Fingers. Or has that all proven to be incorrect?
about the Altamont recordings, any soundboard recordings would have been done by the grateful deads sound engineer, Owsley Stanley aka Bear, who has claimed in the past to have a complete soundboard recording, albeit in stereo and just using front of house mix, recorded on his Uher (I think it was) reel to reel deck. Are those the soundboard recordings being referenced here? I was always wondering where the multitracks of the day, if they exist, came from as while I was there I saw no multitrack recorders nor great amounts of wiring leading to an offstage recording truck, but of course I wasn't everywhere at once. I have always been hopeful that at least the sb front of house mix would get released. Who would the "owners" of the multitracks be, the Maysle brothers?
Did anyone save the similarly dumped BB sessions that were reportedly put up on youtube in a similar fashion for the copyright protection back last year? if so, could we be pointed to them please?
all very interesting and a very interesting time to be dropping back into the stones that's for sure.
jb
Ya Yas is MSG (from two shows) + Love In Vain from Baltimore.
The tracks released on Youtube were from 65-66, not 68. '67 Sessions were released on iTunes.
As it seems now, only JJF is from the 27th show, LIV from Baltimore, and all the remaining tracks from 28 first and second show.
JJF note for note 27
Carol note for note 28 1st
Stray cat not 27 and not 28 2nd
Love Baltimore
Sympathy 28 1st note for note
Midnight 28 2nd note for note
Live with me 28 2nd note for note
HTW not 27 and not 28 2nd
SFM not 27 and not 28 2nd
Queenie 28 1st note for note
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I know it's a bit anorak, but....
Sources for Ya Ya's:
HTW is November 28, 2nd show until the lead break, when it turns to the November 27, 1969 show.
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I know it's a bit anorak, but....
Sources for Ya Ya's:
HTW is November 28, 2nd show until the lead break, when it turns to the November 27, 1969 show.
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Is this a use of the word bit with which I am not familiar?
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keefgotsoul
I might actually like this version of Sister Morphine better than the album version.
Mind blown ????
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jbwelda
>it’s actually quite a feat, to mix and edit three shows down to the final
>released Ya Ya’s
I do not understand this comment; I was under the distinct impression that Ya Yas, despite what it may claim in the credits, was only partially recorded at MSG. Instead it was a conglomeration of tracks from various stops on the tour, sometimes more than one source per song. In fact I recall some very lengthy analysis of the song sources back in Sticky Fingers. Or has that all proven to be incorrect?
about the Altamont recordings, any soundboard recordings would have been done by the grateful deads sound engineer, Owsley Stanley aka Bear, who has claimed in the past to have a complete soundboard recording, albeit in stereo and just using front of house mix, recorded on his Uher (I think it was) reel to reel deck. Are those the soundboard recordings being referenced here? I was always wondering where the multitracks of the day, if they exist, came from as while I was there I saw no multitrack recorders nor great amounts of wiring leading to an offstage recording truck, but of course I wasn't everywhere at once. I have always been hopeful that at least the sb front of house mix would get released. Who would the "owners" of the multitracks be, the Maysle brothers?
Did anyone save the similarly dumped BB sessions that were reportedly put up on youtube in a similar fashion for the copyright protection back last year? if so, could we be pointed to them please?
all very interesting and a very interesting time to be dropping back into the stones that's for sure.
jb
Ya Yas is MSG (from two shows) + Love In Vain from Baltimore.
The tracks released on Youtube were from 65-66, not 68. '67 Sessions were released on iTunes.
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MrEcho
In December 2018 ABKCO uploaded the following 1968 tracks on YouTube:
Dear Doctor (alternate version)
Family (alternate intro and mix version)
Family (demo)
Mickey Mouse Blues (Child Of The Moon instr)
Pay Your Dues (Street Fighting Man early)
Sympathy For The Devil (alternate take)
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MrEcho
In December 2018 ABKCO uploaded the following 1968 tracks on YouTube:
Dear Doctor (alternate version)
Family (alternate intro and mix version)
Family (demo)
Mickey Mouse Blues (Child Of The Moon instr)
Pay Your Dues (Street Fighting Man early)
Sympathy For The Devil (alternate take)
I searched, for example, on Rolling Stones Mickey Mouse, and get no hits on youtube. Were they pulled down right after?
If not on youtube, can you kindly share them?
Thanks!
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MrEcho
In December 2018 ABKCO uploaded the following 1968 tracks on YouTube:
Dear Doctor (alternate version)
Family (alternate intro and mix version)
Family (demo)
Mickey Mouse Blues (Child Of The Moon instr)
Pay Your Dues (Street Fighting Man early)
Sympathy For The Devil (alternate take)
I searched, for example, on Rolling Stones Mickey Mouse, and get no hits on youtube. Were they pulled down right after?
If not on youtube, can you kindly share them?
Thanks!
I think this is "Mickey Mouse Blues": [youtu.be]
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MrEcho
In December 2018 ABKCO uploaded the following 1968 tracks on YouTube:
Dear Doctor (alternate version)
Family (alternate intro and mix version)
Family (demo)
Mickey Mouse Blues (Child Of The Moon instr)
Pay Your Dues (Street Fighting Man early)
Sympathy For The Devil (alternate take)
I searched, for example, on Rolling Stones Mickey Mouse, and get no hits on youtube. Were they pulled down right after?
If not on youtube, can you kindly share them?
Thanks!
I think this is "Mickey Mouse Blues": [youtu.be]
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MrEcho
In December 2018 ABKCO uploaded the following 1968 tracks on YouTube:
Dear Doctor (alternate version)
Family (alternate intro and mix version)
Family (demo)
Mickey Mouse Blues (Child Of The Moon instr)
Pay Your Dues (Street Fighting Man early)
Sympathy For The Devil (alternate take)
I searched, for example, on Rolling Stones Mickey Mouse, and get no hits on youtube. Were they pulled down right after?
If not on youtube, can you kindly share them?
Thanks!
I think this is "Mickey Mouse Blues": [youtu.be]
Nice.
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MrEcho
In December 2018 ABKCO uploaded the following 1968 tracks on YouTube:
Dear Doctor (alternate version)
Family (alternate intro and mix version)
Family (demo)
Mickey Mouse Blues (Child Of The Moon instr)
Pay Your Dues (Street Fighting Man early)
Sympathy For The Devil (alternate take)
I searched, for example, on Rolling Stones Mickey Mouse, and get no hits on youtube. Were they pulled down right after?
If not on youtube, can you kindly share them?
Thanks!
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MrEcho
In December 2018 ABKCO uploaded the following 1968 tracks on YouTube:
Dear Doctor (alternate version)
Family (alternate intro and mix version)
Family (demo)
Mickey Mouse Blues (Child Of The Moon instr)
Pay Your Dues (Street Fighting Man early)
Sympathy For The Devil (alternate take)
I searched, for example, on Rolling Stones Mickey Mouse, and get no hits on youtube. Were they pulled down right after?
If not on youtube, can you kindly share them?
Thanks!
I think this is "Mickey Mouse Blues": [youtu.be]
Nice.
I think that's a different acoustic version of Child of the Moon. The copyright version, Mickey Mouse Blues was definitely different.