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Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 23, 2019 03:57

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Nothing against The Cult but it's pretty ridiculous to call Motley Crue jealous of them, Motley Crue can still sell out arena's and amphitheatres across North America as a headline act. The Cult is lucky to fill up casinos and theatres. Motley Crue also sold millions more records than The Cult, had much bigger hits and commercial success and are far more relevant in 2019 than The Cult are. Motley Crue's last studio album was in 2008, it was very successful and nominated for a GRAMMY. They also released stand alone singles in 2012, 2015 and 2019 as well.
Hardly comparable.

I was being cheeky.

Ian Astbury was a decent stand-in for the irreplaceable Jim Morrison. At least he helped (not hampered) the surviving Doors bring their music to life again.

He did an excellent job.

No one could've done it better than Morrison! Ian DID it.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 23, 2019 04:05

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maybe the crue are onto something. just read that the g n r tour grossed 584 million dollars, third highest of all time behind ed sheeran (bleh!) & u2 360. i'm thinking that if this tour does 150 - 200 million, promoters are going to be ecstatic. even 100 million. so far there doesn't seem to be a lot of competition for the coming season. that could change obviously. i love green day but have absolutely no interest in seeing them in a stadium setting.

Just remember - Ed Sheeran's tour wasn't a proper tour in the sense of what the Stones and U2 did - especially the amount of shows wise, which U2 blasted out of the water of what the Stones did in 70 some shows of what the Stones did with in 147 shows to U2's total of 110 shows!!!!!!!!!!!

Sheeran sits at 255 shows to break U2's record!!!

A complete sham of a comparison. I get the name of the tour for x years... but come on, wouldn't Dylan's NEVER ENDING TOUR be up there as well?

U2 could do it again, break $1 billion easily.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: shadooby ()
Date: November 25, 2019 01:54

Vince is scary close to a heart attack or stroke. He can hardly speak without getting out of breath anymore.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 25, 2019 03:10

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Its funny even just on the level of Motley Crue and Def Leppard being a stadium draw in 2020. I like and enjoy both of those bands, but I can't imagine how you drum up even an ounce of interest in that. The concert business is such a hilarious struggle these days, I'm happy to sit back with popcorn and watch it all go down.

I can't imagine this being in anything but stadiums,

You don't have to sell 60,000 tix at full price to be profitable.

Live Nation pays them up front, also handles production & logistics as well. The bands only have to show up

Sell 1/3 at premium prices, 1/3 at middle range and 1/3 blow out in fire sales.

Keep in mind LN makes money off fees, a percentage of concessions (ever see how the prices change from ball games to concerts?) and parking. That there is worth millions.

This will be around 20 shows likely piggybacked with other Live Nation stadium shows, possibly the entire Green Day tour, in order to save money on production.

30,000 a night and this tour is a success. Def Leppard is a huge draw now for whatever reason. Both bands have likely added a third generation of customers since the last Motley Crue tour.

And these package tours sell an insane amount of beer. Live Nation will make more off this than they would a 20 date U2 stadium tour.

The Stones NOLA 2019 show was their lowest money maker ($7.16 million) and lowest attended show of the entire tour with 35k (a sell out) with the tour grossing $415.6 million in 45 shows over 3 years.

U2 in 2017 had 34.5k attend in NOLA (a sell out) and made just over $3 million with the tour grossing $316 million plus with 54 shows inside of one year.

Obviously the Stones charged more but both bands made a huge amount of money.

I'm not aware of any other acts that have that kind of draw on a year to year yet alone decade to decade basis. They have enormous drawing power no matter the venues they play. All of U2's stadium (and arena) tours post-POPMART tour have been 100% sold out.

All but a few handful of shows by the Stones have been sell outs since 1978 (stadiums and arenas) - 7 VOODOO shows, 15 BRIDGES shows, 3 NO SECURITY shows, 8 BANG shows, although from what I recall of the BANG tour there were a few more than that, with, astoundingly, some shows barely having half the capacity.

Record sales don't match up to concert sales, obviously, especially since the iTunes/streaming era commenced. GNR came back at the right time - and sold out stadiums (nothing like the Stones and U2 have when they actually fill stadiums - GNR's NOLA show, one of a handful to undersell, sold 32,894 of 40,215 seats - with The Cult opening!!!). I doubt they'll be able to do that again now that the nostalgia has worn off but who knows.

So maybe with Motley Crue and Def Leppard together (with that silly band opening) a stadium tour will draw enough, especially if they're only using half the seating.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: November 25, 2019 15:40

I walked into U2's last stadium tour, where they were touring The Joshua Tree, and got side seats for $50. I was second row and it was maybe the easiest ticket I ever got.

GNR can't do stadiums again. They had one shot to cash in on that and they did. Its why they started the tour there. You do those first cause its the only time you're gonna be able to do that. They are no bigger than an arena act now that the nostalgia has worn off.

I understand that they'll make enough money doing arenas, but I really think they'd make more at an arena and this is so NOT a stadium draw.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: Send It To me ()
Date: November 25, 2019 15:52

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Its funny even just on the level of Motley Crue and Def Leppard being a stadium draw in 2020. I like and enjoy both of those bands, but I can't imagine how you drum up even an ounce of interest in that. The concert business is such a hilarious struggle these days, I'm happy to sit back with popcorn and watch it all go down.

I can't imagine this being in anything but stadiums,

You don't have to sell 60,000 tix at full price to be profitable.

Live Nation pays them up front, also handles production & logistics as well. The bands only have to show up

Sell 1/3 at premium prices, 1/3 at middle range and 1/3 blow out in fire sales.

Keep in mind LN makes money off fees, a percentage of concessions (ever see how the prices change from ball games to concerts?) and parking. That there is worth millions.

This will be around 20 shows likely piggybacked with other Live Nation stadium shows, possibly the entire Green Day tour, in order to save money on production.

30,000 a night and this tour is a success. Def Leppard is a huge draw now for whatever reason. Both bands have likely added a third generation of customers since the last Motley Crue tour.

And these package tours sell an insane amount of beer. Live Nation will make more off this than they would a 20 date U2 stadium tour.

The Stones NOLA 2019 show was their lowest money maker ($7.16 million) and lowest attended show of the entire tour with 35k (a sell out) with the tour grossing $415.6 million in 45 shows over 3 years.

U2 in 2017 had 34.5k attend in NOLA (a sell out) and made just over $3 million with the tour grossing $316 million plus with 54 shows inside of one year.

Obviously the Stones charged more but both bands made a huge amount of money.

I'm not aware of any other acts that have that kind of draw on a year to year yet alone decade to decade basis. They have enormous drawing power no matter the venues they play. All of U2's stadium (and arena) tours post-POPMART tour have been 100% sold out.

All but a few handful of shows by the Stones have been sell outs since 1978 (stadiums and arenas) - 7 VOODOO shows, 15 BRIDGES shows, 3 NO SECURITY shows, 8 BANG shows, although from what I recall of the BANG tour there were a few more than that, with, astoundingly, some shows barely having half the capacity.

Record sales don't match up to concert sales, obviously, especially since the iTunes/streaming era commenced. GNR came back at the right time - and sold out stadiums (nothing like the Stones and U2 have when they actually fill stadiums - GNR's NOLA show, one of a handful to undersell, sold 32,894 of 40,215 seats - with The Cult opening!!!). I doubt they'll be able to do that again now that the nostalgia has worn off but who knows.

So maybe with Motley Crue and Def Leppard together (with that silly band opening) a stadium tour will draw enough, especially if they're only using half the seating.

A lot of North American Voodoo Lounge shows sold poorly, especially early on. Indianapolis was probably 20% full. Birmingham, Cincinnati & some others were lightly attended to0. It gained momentum as it went though.



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Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: November 25, 2019 16:04

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Its funny even just on the level of Motley Crue and Def Leppard being a stadium draw in 2020. I like and enjoy both of those bands, but I can't imagine how you drum up even an ounce of interest in that. The concert business is such a hilarious struggle these days, I'm happy to sit back with popcorn and watch it all go down.

I can't imagine this being in anything but stadiums,

You don't have to sell 60,000 tix at full price to be profitable.

Live Nation pays them up front, also handles production & logistics as well. The bands only have to show up

Sell 1/3 at premium prices, 1/3 at middle range and 1/3 blow out in fire sales.

Keep in mind LN makes money off fees, a percentage of concessions (ever see how the prices change from ball games to concerts?) and parking. That there is worth millions.

This will be around 20 shows likely piggybacked with other Live Nation stadium shows, possibly the entire Green Day tour, in order to save money on production.

30,000 a night and this tour is a success. Def Leppard is a huge draw now for whatever reason. Both bands have likely added a third generation of customers since the last Motley Crue tour.

And these package tours sell an insane amount of beer. Live Nation will make more off this than they would a 20 date U2 stadium tour.

The Stones NOLA 2019 show was their lowest money maker ($7.16 million) and lowest attended show of the entire tour with 35k (a sell out) with the tour grossing $415.6 million in 45 shows over 3 years.

U2 in 2017 had 34.5k attend in NOLA (a sell out) and made just over $3 million with the tour grossing $316 million plus with 54 shows inside of one year.

Obviously the Stones charged more but both bands made a huge amount of money.

I'm not aware of any other acts that have that kind of draw on a year to year yet alone decade to decade basis. They have enormous drawing power no matter the venues they play. All of U2's stadium (and arena) tours post-POPMART tour have been 100% sold out.

All but a few handful of shows by the Stones have been sell outs since 1978 (stadiums and arenas) - 7 VOODOO shows, 15 BRIDGES shows, 3 NO SECURITY shows, 8 BANG shows, although from what I recall of the BANG tour there were a few more than that, with, astoundingly, some shows barely having half the capacity.

Record sales don't match up to concert sales, obviously, especially since the iTunes/streaming era commenced. GNR came back at the right time - and sold out stadiums (nothing like the Stones and U2 have when they actually fill stadiums - GNR's NOLA show, one of a handful to undersell, sold 32,894 of 40,215 seats - with The Cult opening!!!). I doubt they'll be able to do that again now that the nostalgia has worn off but who knows.

So maybe with Motley Crue and Def Leppard together (with that silly band opening) a stadium tour will draw enough, especially if they're only using half the seating.

A lot of North American Voodoo Lounge shows sold poorly, especially early on. Indianapolis was probably 20% full. Birmingham, Cincinnati & some others were lightly attended to0. It gained momentum as it went though.
Damn, really? I had no idea.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Date: November 25, 2019 17:13

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I walked into U2's last stadium tour, where they were touring The Joshua Tree, and got side seats for $50. I was second row and it was maybe the easiest ticket I ever got.

GNR can't do stadiums again. They had one shot to cash in on that and they did. Its why they started the tour there. You do those first cause its the only time you're gonna be able to do that. They are no bigger than an arena act now that the nostalgia has worn off.

I understand that they'll make enough money doing arenas, but I really think they'd make more at an arena and this is so NOT a stadium draw.


disagree, have new material and only play 15-20 shows and GNR can fill stadiums again

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: Dan ()
Date: November 25, 2019 18:17

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So maybe with Motley Crue and Def Leppard together (with that silly band opening) a stadium tour will draw enough, especially if they're only using half the seating.

The thing about stadium shows is the stadium is it's own draw for a significant number of attendees.

So while a Motley Crue or Def Leppard show in a shed will draw 10-15,000 of the band's fans, radio station listeners or typical concert goers when you put the same show in a stadium, then all the season ticket holders, seat license owners and regular game attendees who don't pay attention to the Pine Knob schedule but who saw the Dirt on Netflix are also interested in attending.

It's why the same bill that can draw 15-20k automatically draws 30k or more in a stadium.

When you add in that Live Nation has the infrastructure (stadium staging) and possible contracts to provide a minimum number of events over a specific time frame in order to get favorable rental terms, then it makes a lot more financial sense than the now mostly obsolete way of promoting concerts (individual deal with promoters for a guarantee and/or percentage of seats sold).

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: November 25, 2019 19:55

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I walked into U2's last stadium tour, where they were touring The Joshua Tree, and got side seats for $50. I was second row and it was maybe the easiest ticket I ever got.

GNR can't do stadiums again. They had one shot to cash in on that and they did. Its why they started the tour there. You do those first cause its the only time you're gonna be able to do that. They are no bigger than an arena act now that the nostalgia has worn off.

I understand that they'll make enough money doing arenas, but I really think they'd make more at an arena and this is so NOT a stadium draw.


disagree, have new material and only play 15-20 shows and GNR can fill stadiums again

Have to just agree to disagree. No one really cares about new material, and they really saturated the market with this tour (which was the goal so its not like I blame them). But every show I went to (which includes all the early ones because they were stadiums), this was an easy ticket tour. Tickets were plentiful in arenas by the time they got there, and I just don't know you could really drum up that kind of demand again unless they went away for like another 5 years. Anything sooner and I feel like thats way too big for them to play. They have the mass appeal of the Stones and Paul who regularly play stadiums but I don't know. Just doesn't seem like the kind of show you'll bring the whole family to like you would the others which helps sales. I think they were smart to kick off the tour with stadiums because they probably wouldn't have filled them otherwise and this way they can say they PLAYED stadiums (strategically at the point when everyone was dying to see them again and not after they already had other ways).

But who knows. I get what you're saying and its very possible I'm way off on it. I just think sales got soft on this GNR tour after the stadiums (I got in for free for every show post 2016, big venues and small) and not sure they could pull that off again. You only get worldwide interest once with a reunion like that, and I really do think they're different than AC/DC or someone that routinely do a stadium run. Maybe they have more hits? I don't know.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 26, 2019 04:31

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I walked into U2's last stadium tour, where they were touring The Joshua Tree, and got side seats for $50. I was second row and it was maybe the easiest ticket I ever got.

GNR can't do stadiums again. They had one shot to cash in on that and they did. Its why they started the tour there. You do those first cause its the only time you're gonna be able to do that. They are no bigger than an arena act now that the nostalgia has worn off.

I understand that they'll make enough money doing arenas, but I really think they'd make more at an arena and this is so NOT a stadium draw.


disagree, have new material and only play 15-20 shows and GNR can fill stadiums again

Have to just agree to disagree. No one really cares about new material, and they really saturated the market with this tour (which was the goal so its not like I blame them). But every show I went to (which includes all the early ones because they were stadiums), this was an easy ticket tour. Tickets were plentiful in arenas by the time they got there, and I just don't know you could really drum up that kind of demand again unless they went away for like another 5 years. Anything sooner and I feel like thats way too big for them to play. They have the mass appeal of the Stones and Paul who regularly play stadiums but I don't know. Just doesn't seem like the kind of show you'll bring the whole family to like you would the others which helps sales. I think they were smart to kick off the tour with stadiums because they probably wouldn't have filled them otherwise and this way they can say they PLAYED stadiums (strategically at the point when everyone was dying to see them again and not after they already had other ways).

But who knows. I get what you're saying and its very possible I'm way off on it. I just think sales got soft on this GNR tour after the stadiums (I got in for free for every show post 2016, big venues and small) and not sure they could pull that off again. You only get worldwide interest once with a reunion like that, and I really do think they're different than AC/DC or someone that routinely do a stadium run. Maybe they have more hits? I don't know.

AC/DC has been around a long time and have had some pretty big tunes that have aged much better than anything GNR did. APPETITE was big etc but who doesn't have BACK IN BLACK?

Not many.

Regarding big acts AC/DC has never had a greatest hits compilation yet alone several.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Date: November 26, 2019 10:39

Who Made Who was close to being one, though....

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Date: November 26, 2019 15:06

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I walked into U2's last stadium tour, where they were touring The Joshua Tree, and got side seats for $50. I was second row and it was maybe the easiest ticket I ever got.

GNR can't do stadiums again. They had one shot to cash in on that and they did. Its why they started the tour there. You do those first cause its the only time you're gonna be able to do that. They are no bigger than an arena act now that the nostalgia has worn off.

I understand that they'll make enough money doing arenas, but I really think they'd make more at an arena and this is so NOT a stadium draw.


disagree, have new material and only play 15-20 shows and GNR can fill stadiums again

Have to just agree to disagree. No one really cares about new material, and they really saturated the market with this tour (which was the goal so its not like I blame them). But every show I went to (which includes all the early ones because they were stadiums), this was an easy ticket tour. Tickets were plentiful in arenas by the time they got there, and I just don't know you could really drum up that kind of demand again unless they went away for like another 5 years. Anything sooner and I feel like thats way too big for them to play. They have the mass appeal of the Stones and Paul who regularly play stadiums but I don't know. Just doesn't seem like the kind of show you'll bring the whole family to like you would the others which helps sales. I think they were smart to kick off the tour with stadiums because they probably wouldn't have filled them otherwise and this way they can say they PLAYED stadiums (strategically at the point when everyone was dying to see them again and not after they already had other ways).

But who knows. I get what you're saying and its very possible I'm way off on it. I just think sales got soft on this GNR tour after the stadiums (I got in for free for every show post 2016, big venues and small) and not sure they could pull that off again. You only get worldwide interest once with a reunion like that, and I really do think they're different than AC/DC or someone that routinely do a stadium run. Maybe they have more hits? I don't know.

AC/DC has been around a long time and have had some pretty big tunes that have aged much better than anything GNR did. APPETITE was big etc but who doesn't have BACK IN BLACK?

Not many.

Regarding big acts AC/DC has never had a greatest hits compilation yet alone several.


plus AC/DC really only tours every 4-5 years and its been that way since 1994 so there is a big demand.


GNR only has 1 hits release BTW and it was forced onto the public by the record company. I think axl was contracted to release some new product at least every 5 years. in 1999 GNR released a new single "oh my god" and a double live album. in 2004 the label was out of options and told axl either give us the album or a hits release is coming out. axl, duff and slash filed a lawsuit to block the release but lost and the hits release come out anyways

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Date: November 26, 2019 15:09

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Who Made Who was close to being one, though....

and the iron man 2 soundtrack is almost like a hits part 2 release

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: November 26, 2019 15:40

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Who Made Who was close to being one, though....

and the iron man 2 soundtrack is almost like a hits part 2 release
Yeah, the Iron Man 2 soundtrack is actually a much representation of their career than Who Made Who. It covers the band's entire career, while Who Made Who only had one non-hit Bon track on it and three instrumentals recorded specifically for Maximum Overdrive.

Neither album makes for a very good greatest hits compilation though.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 27, 2019 05:21

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I walked into U2's last stadium tour, where they were touring The Joshua Tree, and got side seats for $50. I was second row and it was maybe the easiest ticket I ever got.

GNR can't do stadiums again. They had one shot to cash in on that and they did. Its why they started the tour there. You do those first cause its the only time you're gonna be able to do that. They are no bigger than an arena act now that the nostalgia has worn off.

I understand that they'll make enough money doing arenas, but I really think they'd make more at an arena and this is so NOT a stadium draw.


disagree, have new material and only play 15-20 shows and GNR can fill stadiums again

Have to just agree to disagree. No one really cares about new material, and they really saturated the market with this tour (which was the goal so its not like I blame them). But every show I went to (which includes all the early ones because they were stadiums), this was an easy ticket tour. Tickets were plentiful in arenas by the time they got there, and I just don't know you could really drum up that kind of demand again unless they went away for like another 5 years. Anything sooner and I feel like thats way too big for them to play. They have the mass appeal of the Stones and Paul who regularly play stadiums but I don't know. Just doesn't seem like the kind of show you'll bring the whole family to like you would the others which helps sales. I think they were smart to kick off the tour with stadiums because they probably wouldn't have filled them otherwise and this way they can say they PLAYED stadiums (strategically at the point when everyone was dying to see them again and not after they already had other ways).

But who knows. I get what you're saying and its very possible I'm way off on it. I just think sales got soft on this GNR tour after the stadiums (I got in for free for every show post 2016, big venues and small) and not sure they could pull that off again. You only get worldwide interest once with a reunion like that, and I really do think they're different than AC/DC or someone that routinely do a stadium run. Maybe they have more hits? I don't know.

AC/DC has been around a long time and have had some pretty big tunes that have aged much better than anything GNR did. APPETITE was big etc but who doesn't have BACK IN BLACK?

Not many.

Regarding big acts AC/DC has never had a greatest hits compilation yet alone several.


plus AC/DC really only tours every 4-5 years and its been that way since 1994 so there is a big demand.


GNR only has 1 hits release BTW and it was forced onto the public by the record company. I think axl was contracted to release some new product at least every 5 years. in 1999 GNR released a new single "oh my god" and a double live album. in 2004 the label was out of options and told axl either give us the album or a hits release is coming out. axl, duff and slash filed a lawsuit to block the release but lost and the hits release come out anyways

Geffen was done giving Axl money FOR NOTHING. So... a hits comp came out so the label - rightly so - could make something. Michael Jackson's HIStory and "GNR"'s 300 year old piano off the balcony album debacle - the biggest busts in the record industry as we knew it.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: November 27, 2019 05:43

I don't really have any idea why it bothered them that much. I know that it did, greatly, but how does a greatest hits hurt an artist? Like yeah, I wouldn't put out like 90 of them like Aerosmith or the Stones do. But you have one greatest hits out there, who cares? Especially when you're not putting anything out. I never understood why he got so pissed. I guess just cause he's Axl but if anything he should have been grateful. It exposed a new generation to that music. I know many fans that that was their hook. If anything it probably made Axl way more money. Its in better taste to put out a greatest hits of the actual band than to tour as the band when that band didn't exist anymore.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 27, 2019 05:47

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I don't really have any idea why it bothered them that much. I know that it did, greatly, but how does a greatest hits hurt an artist? Like yeah, I wouldn't put out like 90 of them like Aerosmith or the Stones do. But you have one greatest hits out there, who cares? Especially when you're not putting anything out. I never understood why he got so pissed. I guess just cause he's Axl but if anything he should have been grateful. It exposed a new generation to that music. I know many fans that that was their hook. If anything it probably made Axl way more money. Its in better taste to put out a greatest hits of the actual band than to tour as the band when that band didn't exist anymore.

LOL! Like "The Beach Boys"????

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Posted by: crholmstrom ()
Date: November 27, 2019 05:54

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I don't really have any idea why it bothered them that much. I know that it did, greatly, but how does a greatest hits hurt an artist? Like yeah, I wouldn't put out like 90 of them like Aerosmith or the Stones do. But you have one greatest hits out there, who cares? Especially when you're not putting anything out. I never understood why he got so pissed. I guess just cause he's Axl but if anything he should have been grateful. It exposed a new generation to that music. I know many fans that that was their hook. If anything it probably made Axl way more money. Its in better taste to put out a greatest hits of the actual band than to tour as the band when that band didn't exist anymore.

There is that horrible version of SFTD....nuff said!

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Date: November 27, 2019 15:06

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I don't really have any idea why it bothered them that much. I know that it did, greatly, but how does a greatest hits hurt an artist? Like yeah, I wouldn't put out like 90 of them like Aerosmith or the Stones do. But you have one greatest hits out there, who cares? Especially when you're not putting anything out. I never understood why he got so pissed. I guess just cause he's Axl but if anything he should have been grateful. It exposed a new generation to that music. I know many fans that that was their hook. If anything it probably made Axl way more money. Its in better taste to put out a greatest hits of the actual band than to tour as the band when that band didn't exist anymore.

slash and duff were point of the lawsuit to block the release. axl's reasons was it distracted him from completing the new album having to sign off whatever lol. made no sense. I think duff and slash probably thought it was going to take away from the studio album sales by having people just by the hits release. they really never said as far as I remember why they were also trying to block it

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 28, 2019 05:06

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I don't really have any idea why it bothered them that much. I know that it did, greatly, but how does a greatest hits hurt an artist? Like yeah, I wouldn't put out like 90 of them like Aerosmith or the Stones do. But you have one greatest hits out there, who cares? Especially when you're not putting anything out. I never understood why he got so pissed. I guess just cause he's Axl but if anything he should have been grateful. It exposed a new generation to that music. I know many fans that that was their hook. If anything it probably made Axl way more money. Its in better taste to put out a greatest hits of the actual band than to tour as the band when that band didn't exist anymore.

slash and duff were point of the lawsuit to block the release. axl's reasons was it distracted him from completing the new album having to sign off whatever lol. made no sense. I think duff and slash probably thought it was going to take away from the studio album sales by having people just by the hits release. they really never said as far as I remember why they were also trying to block it

Which, of course, if that is the case, is completely ludicrous - Geffen Records made their money back who knows how many times over what it cost for them to distribute APPETITE. According to the GNR wiki page, supposedly they got a $75,000 advance to record it. They released an EP (a fake live one) while they worked on the LP. When it was finally finished, they - whoever thought releasing It's So Easy as the debut single in the UK in June 1987 was a good idea should be jailed - released Welcome To The Jungle in the US in October. They then went on tour opening for The Cult for their ELECTRIC tour, whose bassist at the time, Kid Chaos, filled in for Duff later on when he missed some shows to be married.

Sweet Child O'Mine was the proper second single and it was BOOM. After that did it's thing, they reissued WTTJ, which charted well, and the third single was the gargantuan Paradise City, which propelled the LP to #1.

After it all settled down, they went down a road of bloated success and conned everyone with the USE YOUR ILLUSION LPs.

They went from no ones to has-beens in a matter of 7 years.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Date: November 28, 2019 10:18

<whose bassist at the time, Kid Chaos, filled in for Duff later on when he missed some shows to be married>

Where was Jamie?

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Date: November 28, 2019 14:48

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I don't really have any idea why it bothered them that much. I know that it did, greatly, but how does a greatest hits hurt an artist? Like yeah, I wouldn't put out like 90 of them like Aerosmith or the Stones do. But you have one greatest hits out there, who cares? Especially when you're not putting anything out. I never understood why he got so pissed. I guess just cause he's Axl but if anything he should have been grateful. It exposed a new generation to that music. I know many fans that that was their hook. If anything it probably made Axl way more money. Its in better taste to put out a greatest hits of the actual band than to tour as the band when that band didn't exist anymore.

slash and duff were point of the lawsuit to block the release. axl's reasons was it distracted him from completing the new album having to sign off whatever lol. made no sense. I think duff and slash probably thought it was going to take away from the studio album sales by having people just by the hits release. they really never said as far as I remember why they were also trying to block it

Which, of course, if that is the case, is completely ludicrous - Geffen Records made their money back who knows how many times over what it cost for them to distribute APPETITE. According to the GNR wiki page, supposedly they got a $75,000 advance to record it. They released an EP (a fake live one) while they worked on the LP. When it was finally finished, they - whoever thought releasing It's So Easy as the debut single in the UK in June 1987 was a good idea should be jailed - released Welcome To The Jungle in the US in October. They then went on tour opening for The Cult for their ELECTRIC tour, whose bassist at the time, Kid Chaos, filled in for Duff later on when he missed some shows to be married.

Sweet Child O'Mine was the proper second single and it was BOOM. After that did it's thing, they reissued WTTJ, which charted well, and the third single was the gargantuan Paradise City, which propelled the LP to #1.

After it all settled down, they went down a road of bloated success and conned everyone with the USE YOUR ILLUSION LPs.

They went from no ones to has-beens in a matter of 7 years.


I don't really know the case. I just know they were part of the lawsuit too. maybe they just don't like hits releases? who knows. I do know in the end between the live album, the hits release, the video game deal, the best buy deal, etc Geffen paid off Chinese democracy before it was ever purchased by 1 fan so Geffen ended up happy

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 28, 2019 16:43

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Where was Jamie?

Jamie was on guitar. But it was after The Cult's tour was done.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 28, 2019 16:45

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I don't really have any idea why it bothered them that much. I know that it did, greatly, but how does a greatest hits hurt an artist? Like yeah, I wouldn't put out like 90 of them like Aerosmith or the Stones do. But you have one greatest hits out there, who cares? Especially when you're not putting anything out. I never understood why he got so pissed. I guess just cause he's Axl but if anything he should have been grateful. It exposed a new generation to that music. I know many fans that that was their hook. If anything it probably made Axl way more money. Its in better taste to put out a greatest hits of the actual band than to tour as the band when that band didn't exist anymore.

slash and duff were point of the lawsuit to block the release. axl's reasons was it distracted him from completing the new album having to sign off whatever lol. made no sense. I think duff and slash probably thought it was going to take away from the studio album sales by having people just by the hits release. they really never said as far as I remember why they were also trying to block it

Which, of course, if that is the case, is completely ludicrous - Geffen Records made their money back who knows how many times over what it cost for them to distribute APPETITE. According to the GNR wiki page, supposedly they got a $75,000 advance to record it. They released an EP (a fake live one) while they worked on the LP. When it was finally finished, they - whoever thought releasing It's So Easy as the debut single in the UK in June 1987 was a good idea should be jailed - released Welcome To The Jungle in the US in October. They then went on tour opening for The Cult for their ELECTRIC tour, whose bassist at the time, Kid Chaos, filled in for Duff later on when he missed some shows to be married.

Sweet Child O'Mine was the proper second single and it was BOOM. After that did it's thing, they reissued WTTJ, which charted well, and the third single was the gargantuan Paradise City, which propelled the LP to #1.

After it all settled down, they went down a road of bloated success and conned everyone with the USE YOUR ILLUSION LPs.

They went from no ones to has-beens in a matter of 7 years.


I don't really know the case. I just know they were part of the lawsuit too. maybe they just don't like hits releases? who knows. I do know in the end between the live album, the hits release, the video game deal, the best buy deal, etc Geffen paid off Chinese democracy before it was ever purchased by 1 fan so Geffen ended up happy

They made zero money on CHINESE CRAPOCRACY. It's one thing to "make the money back", it's another to "make money".

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Date: November 28, 2019 16:52

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I don't really have any idea why it bothered them that much. I know that it did, greatly, but how does a greatest hits hurt an artist? Like yeah, I wouldn't put out like 90 of them like Aerosmith or the Stones do. But you have one greatest hits out there, who cares? Especially when you're not putting anything out. I never understood why he got so pissed. I guess just cause he's Axl but if anything he should have been grateful. It exposed a new generation to that music. I know many fans that that was their hook. If anything it probably made Axl way more money. Its in better taste to put out a greatest hits of the actual band than to tour as the band when that band didn't exist anymore.

slash and duff were point of the lawsuit to block the release. axl's reasons was it distracted him from completing the new album having to sign off whatever lol. made no sense. I think duff and slash probably thought it was going to take away from the studio album sales by having people just by the hits release. they really never said as far as I remember why they were also trying to block it

Which, of course, if that is the case, is completely ludicrous - Geffen Records made their money back who knows how many times over what it cost for them to distribute APPETITE. According to the GNR wiki page, supposedly they got a $75,000 advance to record it. They released an EP (a fake live one) while they worked on the LP. When it was finally finished, they - whoever thought releasing It's So Easy as the debut single in the UK in June 1987 was a good idea should be jailed - released Welcome To The Jungle in the US in October. They then went on tour opening for The Cult for their ELECTRIC tour, whose bassist at the time, Kid Chaos, filled in for Duff later on when he missed some shows to be married.

Sweet Child O'Mine was the proper second single and it was BOOM. After that did it's thing, they reissued WTTJ, which charted well, and the third single was the gargantuan Paradise City, which propelled the LP to #1.

After it all settled down, they went down a road of bloated success and conned everyone with the USE YOUR ILLUSION LPs.

They went from no ones to has-beens in a matter of 7 years.


I don't really know the case. I just know they were part of the lawsuit too. maybe they just don't like hits releases? who knows. I do know in the end between the live album, the hits release, the video game deal, the best buy deal, etc Geffen paid off Chinese democracy before it was ever purchased by 1 fan so Geffen ended up happy

They made zero money on CHINESE CRAPOCRACY. It's one thing to "make the money back", it's another to "make money".


but it cost them nothing and axl supposedly tried to give them another album a few years ago and instead that's when the whole reunion thing was pitched. I like chinse democracy, wanted an album of the other stuff recorded and wanted to hear the other mixes of the songs

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: TooTough ()
Date: November 28, 2019 21:57

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A lot of North American Voodoo Lounge shows sold poorly, especially early on. Indianapolis was probably 20% full.

I was there. Well, the "RCA Dome" ("boooooh";-) was 50 to 60% full.
I was kind of shocked. And Indy didn´t get any
more shows until 2015.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: crholmstrom ()
Date: December 5, 2019 03:31

The Stadium Tour 2020 Tour Dates:
07/07 – Miami, FL @ Hard Rock Stadium
07/09 – Orlando, FL @ Camping World Stadium
07/11 – Charlotte, NC @ Bank of America Stadium
07/14 – Arlington, TX @ Globe Life Field
07/15 – Houston, TX @ Minute Maid Park
07/19 – San Francisco, CA @ Oracle Park
07/23 – San Diego, CA @ Petco Park
07/25 – Phoenix, AZ @ State Farm Stadium
08/09 – Atlanta, GA @ SunTrust Park
08/11 – Hershey, PA @ Hersheypark Stadium
08/13 – Buffalo, NY @ New Era Field
08/15 – Philadelphia, PA @ Citizens Bank Park
08/16 – Pittsburgh, PA @ PNC Park
08/18 – Milwaukee, WI @ Miller Park
08/20 – Detroit, MI @ Comerica Park
08/22 – Washington, DC @ Nationals Park
08/23 – Queens, NY @ Citi Field
08/25 – Boston, MA @ Fenway Park
08/28 – Chicago, IL @ Wrigley Field
08/30 – Denver, CO @ Coors Field
09/02 – Seattle, WA @ T-Mobile Park
09/05 – Los Angeles, CA @ SoFi Stadium

Joan Jett is opening all shows. Nice payday for her. She works hard!

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: daspyknows ()
Date: December 5, 2019 03:38

For me Joan Jett would be the highlight. Hoping she does another local gig.

Re: OT: Mötley Crüe 2020 Tour
Posted by: TornAndFried ()
Date: December 5, 2019 03:59

These guys suck. They always did but now they are also old and spent. I hope this tour tanks. It's an insult to all who believed their last tour was their finale.

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