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So I finished the book (...) Rich’s snub — disrespectful in its offhandedness — was enough for Page to say “Why bother?” The end was *abrupt*: Right after the “Tonight Show,” Page split without explanation.
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So I finished the book, and the story about Page is somewhat more than just “Rich turned down my offer to co-write songs.” It was against the backdrop of the affiliation with Page basically rescuing their career. And the back problems were real, required surgery. He was willing to postpone the medical procedure and finish the tour, but Rich’s snub — disrespectful in its offhandedness — was enough for Page to say “Why bother?” The end was *abrupt*: Right after the “Tonight Show,” Page split without explanation.
rescue their career? maybe look up the bands sales and chart placements from 1990-2000 compared to what jimmy page was doing. the band pretty much was a gold selling band until the broke up around 2002
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So I finished the book, and the story about Page is somewhat more than just “Rich turned down my offer to co-write songs.” It was against the backdrop of the affiliation with Page basically rescuing their career. And the back problems were real, required surgery. He was willing to postpone the medical procedure and finish the tour, but Rich’s snub — disrespectful in its offhandedness — was enough for Page to say “Why bother?” The end was *abrupt*: Right after the “Tonight Show,” Page split without explanation.
rescue their career? maybe look up the bands sales and chart placements from 1990-2000 compared to what jimmy page was doing. the band pretty much was a gold selling band until the broke up around 2002
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So I finished the book, and the story about Page is somewhat more than just “Rich turned down my offer to co-write songs.” It was against the backdrop of the affiliation with Page basically rescuing their career. And the back problems were real, required surgery. He was willing to postpone the medical procedure and finish the tour, but Rich’s snub — disrespectful in its offhandedness — was enough for Page to say “Why bother?” The end was *abrupt*: Right after the “Tonight Show,” Page split without explanation.
rescue their career? maybe look up the bands sales and chart placements from 1990-2000 compared to what jimmy page was doing. the band pretty much was a gold selling band until the broke up around 2002
That’s just not true. Sales declined with each album. “By Your Side” tanked. The six initial dates with Page and the “Live at the Greek” album were instrumental in securing them a deal with V2 Records (which Chris demolished with the first “hiatus”).
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So I finished the book, and the story about Page is somewhat more than just “Rich turned down my offer to co-write songs.” It was against the backdrop of the affiliation with Page basically rescuing their career. And the back problems were real, required surgery. He was willing to postpone the medical procedure and finish the tour, but Rich’s snub — disrespectful in its offhandedness — was enough for Page to say “Why bother?” The end was *abrupt*: Right after the “Tonight Show,” Page split without explanation.
rescue their career? maybe look up the bands sales and chart placements from 1990-2000 compared to what jimmy page was doing. the band pretty much was a gold selling band until the broke up around 2002
That’s just not true. Sales declined with each album. “By Your Side” tanked. The six initial dates with Page and the “Live at the Greek” album were instrumental in securing them a deal with V2 Records (which Chris demolished with the first “hiatus”).
sales were lower as the band got less commercial sounding. every album the band released prior to the page tour is eligible to be certified gold now. the label just doesn't do it
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I imagine if they weren't dickheads and had remained friendly with Page, their sales would have increased tenfold vs. declined steadily. Whether Page contributed solid material or not is beside the point - his name alone would have carried alot of weight amongst the masses. And had the tour with Page continued, their credibility amongst many would have also increased. Should also be said that Pages career at that point might have taken a turn for the better vs. going into stagnation - he could have had a decent younger backing band to play live with (and maybe record with) similar to the way Neil Young has done with Promise of the Real.
But despite the soap opera, no doubt the Black Crowes were given a huge boost by their limited association with Page ("securing them a deal with V2 Records") - unfortunately for them they threw it away and sort of dissolved in to nothing. So wondering where this all will lead...will there be a reunion in 2020? And if so, will anybody really care other than the few diehards who still like them? Times have changed since then, and not sure how well retro/classic rock will translate in todays world. Maybe they can team up with other similar bands like Greta Van Fleet for a tour and get another boost from the association. Otherwise, they might end up playing at County Fairs and half empty theaters.
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I imagine if they weren't dickheads and had remained friendly with Page, their sales would have increased tenfold vs. declined steadily. Whether Page contributed solid material or not is beside the point - his name alone would have carried alot of weight amongst the masses. And had the tour with Page continued, their credibility amongst many would have also increased. Should also be said that Pages career at that point might have taken a turn for the better vs. going into stagnation - he could have had a decent younger backing band to play live with (and maybe record with) similar to the way Neil Young has done with Promise of the Real.
But despite the soap opera, no doubt the Black Crowes were given a huge boost by their limited association with Page ("securing them a deal with V2 Records") - unfortunately for them they threw it away and sort of dissolved in to nothing. So wondering where this all will lead...will there be a reunion in 2020? And if so, will anybody really care other than the few diehards who still like them? Times have changed since then, and not sure how well retro/classic rock will translate in todays world. Maybe they can team up with other similar bands like Greta Van Fleet for a tour and get another boost from the association. Otherwise, they might end up playing at County Fairs and half empty theaters.
increased ten fold? this thread is hilarious. pages albums with plant were barely selling better than the crowes releases at that time. a ten fold increases means you are saying the bands studio album released after the page tour would have sold over 3 million copies as lions right now is over 300k . page hadn't had an album sell that much since the 1970's lol
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I imagine if they weren't dickheads and had remained friendly with Page, their sales would have increased tenfold vs. declined steadily. Whether Page contributed solid material or not is beside the point - his name alone would have carried alot of weight amongst the masses. And had the tour with Page continued, their credibility amongst many would have also increased. Should also be said that Pages career at that point might have taken a turn for the better vs. going into stagnation - he could have had a decent younger backing band to play live with (and maybe record with) similar to the way Neil Young has done with Promise of the Real.
But despite the soap opera, no doubt the Black Crowes were given a huge boost by their limited association with Page ("securing them a deal with V2 Records") - unfortunately for them they threw it away and sort of dissolved in to nothing. So wondering where this all will lead...will there be a reunion in 2020? And if so, will anybody really care other than the few diehards who still like them? Times have changed since then, and not sure how well retro/classic rock will translate in todays world. Maybe they can team up with other similar bands like Greta Van Fleet for a tour and get another boost from the association. Otherwise, they might end up playing at County Fairs and half empty theaters.
increased ten fold? this thread is hilarious. pages albums with plant were barely selling better than the crowes releases at that time. a ten fold increases means you are saying the bands studio album released after the page tour would have sold over 3 million copies as lions right now is over 300k . page hadn't had an album sell that much since the 1970's lol
Obviously tenfold was an exaggeration and not to be taken literally, but not sure why you keep repeating the fact that Page wasn't as successful as he was in the '70s - I totally get that and have agreed with you several times now. I even just said that if they're collaboration would have continued, it could have been a win-win for both of them - "Pages career at that point might have taken a turn for the better vs. going into stagnation" while the Black Crowes would have been elevated because of their association with Page. Not sure if you just hate Jimmy Page, or resent the fact that he lent a hand and worked with the Black Crowes...maybe both? Whatever the case, no denying the Black Crowes were huge Page/Zeppelin fans - enough to be his backing band for a tour (give or take a few Black Crowes tunes), but unfortunately they seemingly took it all for granted and basically threw it all away.
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what i am is someone who is realistic and knows a studio album between page and the crowes would have sold maybe 600k at most. thats really not some big ground breaking number and had they released a second studio album my guess it would have sold less than that as the novelty had worn off after one album.
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what i am is someone who is realistic and knows a studio album between page and the crowes would have sold maybe 600k at most. thats really not some big ground breaking number and had they released a second studio album my guess it would have sold less than that as the novelty had worn off after one album.
Not so sure about that - had Page been involved I certainly would have bought a copy, and there are many thousands of others who would have done the same.
But since you're so-called "someone who is realistic and knows" (lol), even to the point of calculating the numbers it would have sold, there's not much point in speculating any further.
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what i am is someone who is realistic and knows a studio album between page and the crowes would have sold maybe 600k at most. thats really not some big ground breaking number and had they released a second studio album my guess it would have sold less than that as the novelty had worn off after one album.
Not so sure about that - had Page been involved I certainly would have bought a copy, and there are many thousands of others who would have done the same.
But since you're so-called "someone who is realistic and knows" (lol), even to the point of calculating the numbers it would have sold, there's not much point in speculating any further.
so the first studio album between page and plant since the 1970's sells a little less than a million copies, an album between page and coverdale sells barely over a million copies but an album between page and the crowes was going to outsell those 2 releases? makes no sense at all. again go look at pages sales numbers in the 90's and explain to me why a 2002 studio album with page and the crowes was going to outsell 2 other page releases that more people were looking forward to. plant and coverdale were a lot more popular too when they did albums with page than the black crowes were in 2002 . the page and crowes live album sales are around 600k so that's what my guess for a studio release is based off of plus the sales of pages more anticipated releases selling roughly the same
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what i am is someone who is realistic and knows a studio album between page and the crowes would have sold maybe 600k at most. thats really not some big ground breaking number and had they released a second studio album my guess it would have sold less than that as the novelty had worn off after one album.
Not so sure about that - had Page been involved I certainly would have bought a copy, and there are many thousands of others who would have done the same.
But since you're so-called "someone who is realistic and knows" (lol), even to the point of calculating the numbers it would have sold, there's not much point in speculating any further.
so the first studio album between page and plant since the 1970's sells a little less than a million copies, an album between page and coverdale sells barely over a million copies but an album between page and the crowes was going to outsell those 2 releases? makes no sense at all. again go look at pages sales numbers in the 90's and explain to me why a 2002 studio album with page and the crowes was going to outsell 2 other page releases that more people were looking forward to. plant and coverdale were a lot more popular too when they did albums with page than the black crowes were in 2002 . the page and crowes live album sales are around 600k so that's what my guess for a studio release is based off of plus the sales of pages more anticipated releases selling roughly the same
Albums sales across the board were on a downward slope in 1998, when Page & Plant’s “Walking Into Clarksdale” was released (remember MP3’s and Napster?...that album is also pretty disjointed...one listen and you can clearly hear there are to very different artistic perspectives...Jimmy wanted to blaze, and Robert was into something much different.
They were making their money and continuing their legacy by playing incredible shows for that tour. That’s why Page’s carried some much weight...not only because of Zeppelin, but also because he still had ‘it,’ and was proving it onstage. Which is what he did with the Black Crowes...a year later with the Live album and tour...he was proving he could do it again without Plant.
Also the tour with The Who & The Crowes + Jimmy Page was selling extremely well... and had generated quite a lot of buzz...and buzz means dollars.
Dismissing how touring increased in importance in Thai transitional period in the music business is a huge mistake.
And Jimmy Page with the Black Crowes were monsters on the tour...MONSTERS...that’s how good they were playing.
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"former drummer Steve Gorman revealed he’s heard rumblings of a reunion and wasn’t asked to participate".
What a surprise! I guess his tell-all book didn't help in getting him back in the band.
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I imagine if they weren't dickheads and had remained friendly with Page, their sales would have increased tenfold vs. declined steadily. Whether Page contributed solid material or not is beside the point - his name alone would have carried alot of weight amongst the masses. And had the tour with Page continued, their credibility amongst many would have also increased. Should also be said that Pages career at that point might have taken a turn for the better vs. going into stagnation - he could have had a decent younger backing band to play live with (and maybe record with) similar to the way Neil Young has done with Promise of the Real.
But despite the soap opera, no doubt the Black Crowes were given a huge boost by their limited association with Page ("securing them a deal with V2 Records") - unfortunately for them they threw it away and sort of dissolved in to nothing. So wondering where this all will lead...will there be a reunion in 2020? And if so, will anybody really care other than the few diehards who still like them? Times have changed since then, and not sure how well retro/classic rock will translate in todays world. Maybe they can team up with other similar bands like Greta Van Fleet for a tour and get another boost from the association. Otherwise, they might end up playing at County Fairs and half empty theaters.
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"former drummer Steve Gorman revealed he’s heard rumblings of a reunion and wasn’t asked to participate".
What a surprise! I guess his tell-all book didn't help in getting him back in the band.
What did he reveal in the book?
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"former drummer Steve Gorman revealed he’s heard rumblings of a reunion and wasn’t asked to participate".
What a surprise! I guess his tell-all book didn't help in getting him back in the band.
What did he reveal in the book?
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Hairball is strangely very much on the (to use his word) "stagnated" Page train for some ungodly reason. I'm not a big Black Crowes fan either (that first album is fantastic, I don't really know the rest) but I have no idea why there's a need to bash them and bring a pointless Jimmy Page argument into the mix. They were very clearly a band in their own right and that little blip in their history does not make or break them. Do you hold some sort of grudge because the singer said he doesn't really like Zeppelin or Robert Plant that much? Thats all I can think.
But I'm not offended in any way, I just think that comparison and needless bringing up of Jimmy Page is extremely strange and doesn't really have anything to do with the discussion here.
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Hairball is strangely very much on the (to use his word) "stagnated" Page train for some ungodly reason. I'm not a big Black Crowes fan either (that first album is fantastic, I don't really know the rest) but I have no idea why there's a need to bash them and bring a pointless Jimmy Page argument into the mix. They were very clearly a band in their own right and that little blip in their history does not make or break them. Do you hold some sort of grudge because the singer said he doesn't really like Zeppelin or Robert Plant that much? Thats all I can think.
But I'm not offended in any way, I just think that comparison and needless bringing up of Jimmy Page is extremely strange and doesn't really have anything to do with the discussion here.
Uhhh....if you read the thread from page one, you would see the topic was brought up by someone else, and is a big talking point of Gorman's book.
The conversation evolved from there amongst keefriffhard4life and several others chiming in, and the last comment I made on it was over a week ago.
Not sure what your problem is (though it's clear you have one), but maybe you need to do some homework before you start making things personal.
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Right, and I was responding to Elmo about your post....Not meaning to drag you back into things...
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I imagine if they weren't dickheads and had remained friendly with Page, their sales would have increased tenfold vs. declined steadily. Whether Page contributed solid material or not is beside the point - his name alone would have carried alot of weight amongst the masses. And had the tour with Page continued, their credibility amongst many would have also increased. Should also be said that Pages career at that point might have taken a turn for the better vs. going into stagnation - he could have had a decent younger backing band to play live with (and maybe record with) similar to the way Neil Young has done with Promise of the Real.
But despite the soap opera, no doubt the Black Crowes were given a huge boost by their limited association with Page ("securing them a deal with V2 Records") - unfortunately for them they threw it away and sort of dissolved in to nothing. So wondering where this all will lead...will there be a reunion in 2020? And if so, will anybody really care other than the few diehards who still like them? Times have changed since then, and not sure how well retro/classic rock will translate in todays world. Maybe they can team up with other similar bands like Greta Van Fleet for a tour and get another boost from the association. Otherwise, they might end up playing at County Fairs and half empty theaters.
I respectfully disagree, Hairball. I think there would/will be/is lots of interest in a Crowes (Robinson brothers) reunion tour.
My evidence:
1. Several music loving friends have mentioned it to me.
2. 4 pages on a Stones website.