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Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Date: August 12, 2019 17:54

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Without a doubt, 1969-1974

Technically?
Yes, but also creatively. As was said, his playing is all about touch, hard to imitate. And around 1970 he occasionally played rather good solos as well, not that same 'lick' (I hate that word btw) that was repeated in about every solo on the 97/98 tour. The 60s and 70s were when Keith earned the distinction of being innovative as a guitarist.
For sure, Keith has never been about fancy virtuoso technique, but if the question is really technical proficiency versus creativity, then I think the high point of his playing is '89-'99, with a special emphasis on the Steel Wheels tour.

There's a huge difference between 89 and 99, though. Technically, there is no doubt he peaked round 89/90, imo.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: OpenG ()
Date: August 12, 2019 18:04

[www.youtube.com]
Guitar Moves with Keith Richards: "There's Two Sides to Every Story" (Part 1)



at 1.12 Keith says its all in the right hand.


For me Keith was and still is perfect on acoustic - with electric these days thank
god we have capos so Keith can play all the songs.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Date: August 12, 2019 18:07

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TheflyingDutchman
To me technically Keith's best achievement was his guitar solo on SFTD, the studio version. Quite fast. In the beginning I thought it was sped up.

Did you hear him do this in 1968? smoking smiley

[youtu.be]

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: August 12, 2019 18:09

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[www.youtube.com]
Guitar Moves with Keith Richards: "There's Two Sides to Every Story" (Part 1)



at 1.12 Keith says its all in the right hand.


For me Keith was and still is perfect on acoustic - with electric these days thank
god we have capos so Keith can play all the songs.

Watched that vid just last nightOpenG!

I'd say Keith was most technically proficient the day he mastered Malaguena as a child.
From there it was all downhill after being corrupted by the blues and rock and roll.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-08-12 18:11 by Hairball.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: Send It To me ()
Date: August 12, 2019 18:11

1989.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: August 12, 2019 18:18

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To me technically Keith's best achievement was his guitar solo on SFTD, the studio version. Quite fast. In the beginning I thought it was sped up.

After Malaguena ( winking smiley ) hard to disagree with this.
Such an iconic solo, and a major part of why the entire tune itself is perfect.

Remember the rumours that it was actually Clapton playing it?
For Keith to be compared to, or mistaken for Clapton, says alot.

Sort of a unique/one-off solo from Keith, and one that he's never really replicated and/or matched in a live setting imo.

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"Rip this joint, gonna save your soul..."

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Date: August 12, 2019 18:20

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TheflyingDutchman
To me technically Keith's best achievement was his guitar solo on SFTD, the studio version. Quite fast. In the beginning I thought it was sped up.

After Malaguena ( winking smiley ) hard to disagree with this.
Such an iconic solo, and a major part of why the entire tune itself is perfect.

Remember the rumours that it was actually Clapton playing it?
For Keith to be compared to, or mistaken for Clapton, says alot.

Sort of a unique/one-off solo from Keith, and one that he's never really replicated and/or matched in a live setting imo.

Check my clip above for Malaguena on speed smiling smiley

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: OpenG ()
Date: August 12, 2019 18:29

Some of Keith's greatest live playing was with the Winos and with Waddy those shows are up their with Keith playing with MT or RW.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: SomeGuy ()
Date: August 12, 2019 18:37

The Sympathy solo by Keith on Get Yer Ya Ya's Out! is pretty cool too, I think, in all its simplicity and almost childish ruggedness as it were.

Soloing on the Love You Live version is somehow acceptable (not great), but after that, Keith played a longer solo and definitely a much worse one, in the 90s and after, to the extent than many (on this forum also) would want him to stop doing that smiling smiley

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: August 12, 2019 18:46

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Without a doubt, 1969-1974

Technically?
Yes, but also creatively. As was said, his playing is all about touch, hard to imitate. And around 1970 he occasionally played rather good solos as well, not that same 'lick' (I hate that word btw) that was repeated in about every solo on the 97/98 tour. The 60s and 70s were when Keith earned the distinction of being innovative as a guitarist.
For sure, Keith has never been about fancy virtuoso technique, but if the question is really technical proficiency versus creativity, then I think the high point of his playing is '89-'99, with a special emphasis on the Steel Wheels tour.

There's a huge difference between 89 and 99, though. Technically, there is no doubt he peaked round 89/90, imo.
I think Keith showed off on the guitar the most on '89-'90 because that was the fashionable thing to do back then. The '80s was the decade of the guitar hero, so Keith played longer, flashier solos.

By '94, guitar heroics were considered dated and corny, so he went back to playing more compact solos.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Date: August 12, 2019 19:27

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Without a doubt, 1969-1974

Technically?
Yes, but also creatively. As was said, his playing is all about touch, hard to imitate. And around 1970 he occasionally played rather good solos as well, not that same 'lick' (I hate that word btw) that was repeated in about every solo on the 97/98 tour. The 60s and 70s were when Keith earned the distinction of being innovative as a guitarist.
For sure, Keith has never been about fancy virtuoso technique, but if the question is really technical proficiency versus creativity, then I think the high point of his playing is '89-'99, with a special emphasis on the Steel Wheels tour.

There's a huge difference between 89 and 99, though. Technically, there is no doubt he peaked round 89/90, imo.
I think Keith showed off on the guitar the most on '89-'90 because that was the fashionable thing to do back then. The '80s was the decade of the guitar hero, so Keith played longer, flashier solos.

By '94, guitar heroics were considered dated and corny, so he went back to playing more compact solos.

True, but his playing had also somewhat slipped a bit. The licks were fewer, and he started to rest more on bum notes in his solos (as opposed to root notes smiling smiley ).

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: August 12, 2019 19:31

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Without a doubt, 1969-1974

Technically?
Yes, but also creatively. As was said, his playing is all about touch, hard to imitate. And around 1970 he occasionally played rather good solos as well, not that same 'lick' (I hate that word btw) that was repeated in about every solo on the 97/98 tour. The 60s and 70s were when Keith earned the distinction of being innovative as a guitarist.
For sure, Keith has never been about fancy virtuoso technique, but if the question is really technical proficiency versus creativity, then I think the high point of his playing is '89-'99, with a special emphasis on the Steel Wheels tour.

There's a huge difference between 89 and 99, though. Technically, there is no doubt he peaked round 89/90, imo.
I think Keith showed off on the guitar the most on '89-'90 because that was the fashionable thing to do back then. The '80s was the decade of the guitar hero, so Keith played longer, flashier solos.

By '94, guitar heroics were considered dated and corny, so he went back to playing more compact solos.

True, but his playing had also somewhat slipped a bit. The licks were fewer, and he started to rest more on bum notes in his solos (as opposed to root notes smiling smiley ).
Agreed.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Date: August 12, 2019 19:34

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To me technically Keith's best achievement was his guitar solo on SFTD, the studio version. Quite fast. In the beginning I thought it was sped up.

Did you hear him do this in 1968? smoking smiley

[youtu.be]

That are relaxed triplets? SFTD studio sets the record as far as I have heard
Keith.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: audun-eg ()
Date: August 12, 2019 20:49

I would say his fills and solos on Hold On To Your Hat from Steel Wheels is the flashiest he ever tried to be, and with success that is.

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Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Date: August 12, 2019 20:51

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TheflyingDutchman
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DandelionPowderman
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TheflyingDutchman
To me technically Keith's best achievement was his guitar solo on SFTD, the studio version. Quite fast. In the beginning I thought it was sped up.

Did you hear him do this in 1968? smoking smiley

[youtu.be]

That are relaxed triplets? SFTD studio sets the record as far as I have heard
Keith.

Triplets? It's a bad recording, but even I can hear all the notes smiling smiley

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: windmelody ()
Date: August 12, 2019 21:03

Stripped features some really enjoyable playing from both guitarists.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: Bjorn ()
Date: August 12, 2019 21:17

1981 to 1999 for me - but 1989, 1990 was probably a peak technically...

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: keithsman ()
Date: August 12, 2019 21:27

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1981 to 1999 for me - but 1989, 1990 was probably a peak technically...

Absolutely spot on, 89' 90' so much footage out there to prove it too, those tours had hundreds of dates, Keith got so fluid and practiced, but even by 93' with the Winos he'd lost something though IMHO.
What people expect from Keith now mortifies me, just 15 to 17 tour dates a year, it's just not long enough for a player like Keith to get rid of the rust.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: August 12, 2019 21:31

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1981 to 1999 for me - but 1989, 1990 was probably a peak technically...

Absolutely spot on, 89' 90' so much footage out there to prove it too, those tours had hundreds of dates, Keith got so fluid and practiced, but even by 93' with the Winos he'd lost something though IMHO.
What people expect from Keith now mortifies me, just 15 to 17 tour dates a year, it's just not long enough for a player like Keith to get rid of the rust.
It's amazing how different Keith looks and sounds now compared to just a month ago at Foxborough, when he was still tentative and a bit withdrawn onstage.

He's beaming and moving around so much better now...almost looks like a different person. Sadly, as soon as he starts to hit his stride, the tour's almost finished.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: keithsman ()
Date: August 12, 2019 22:21

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1981 to 1999 for me - but 1989, 1990 was probably a peak technically...

Absolutely spot on, 89' 90' so much footage out there to prove it too, those tours had hundreds of dates, Keith got so fluid and practiced, but even by 93' with the Winos he'd lost something though IMHO.
What people expect from Keith now mortifies me, just 15 to 17 tour dates a year, it's just not long enough for a player like Keith to get rid of the rust.
It's amazing how different Keith looks and sounds now compared to just a month ago at Foxborough, when he was still tentative and a bit withdrawn onstage.

He's beaming and moving around so much better now...almost looks like a different person. Sadly, as soon as he starts to hit his stride, the tour's almost finished.

I know , it's such a pity, he really does love it when he gets into it, it's like he becomes Keith Richards again, like wow yes this is what I do, and i can still do it and he's face is beaming with smiles and he looks and moves like he's 20 years younger again.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: roundnround ()
Date: August 12, 2019 23:00

video: [www.youtube.com]

1977? Can't beat this...

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: xke38 ()
Date: August 12, 2019 23:46

Maybe not the most technically proficient, but this is the fastest playing I've heard from Keith (around the 8:25 to 9:00 mark, from One Plus One):

video: [www.youtube.com]

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: August 13, 2019 00:57

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1981 to 1999 for me - but 1989, 1990 was probably a peak technically...

Absolutely spot on, 89' 90' so much footage out there to prove it too, those tours had hundreds of dates, Keith got so fluid and practiced, but even by 93' with the Winos he'd lost something though IMHO.
What people expect from Keith now mortifies me, just 15 to 17 tour dates a year, it's just not long enough for a player like Keith to get rid of the rust.
It's amazing how different Keith looks and sounds now compared to just a month ago at Foxborough, when he was still tentative and a bit withdrawn onstage.

He's beaming and moving around so much better now...almost looks like a different person. Sadly, as soon as he starts to hit his stride, the tour's almost finished.

I know , it's such a pity, he really does love it when he gets into it, it's like he becomes Keith Richards again, like wow yes this is what I do, and i can still do it and he's face is beaming with smiles and he looks and moves like he's 20 years younger again.
Having said that, I think the way they tour now is the smart play. Doing longer tours simply aren't feasible anymore.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: August 13, 2019 02:45

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1981 to 1999 for me - but 1989, 1990 was probably a peak technically...

Absolutely spot on, 89' 90' so much footage out there to prove it too, those tours had hundreds of dates, Keith got so fluid and practiced, but even by 93' with the Winos he'd lost something though IMHO.
What people expect from Keith now mortifies me, just 15 to 17 tour dates a year, it's just not long enough for a player like Keith to get rid of the rust.
It's amazing how different Keith looks and sounds now compared to just a month ago at Foxborough, when he was still tentative and a bit withdrawn onstage.

He's beaming and moving around so much better now...almost looks like a different person. Sadly, as soon as he starts to hit his stride, the tour's almost finished.

I know , it's such a pity, he really does love it when he gets into it, it's like he becomes Keith Richards again, like wow yes this is what I do, and i can still do it and he's face is beaming with smiles and he looks and moves like he's 20 years younger again.
Having said that, I think the way they tour now is the smart play. Doing longer tours simply aren't feasible anymore.

If Keith was so inclined/ready and willing, he could continue to play live one way or another after these limited Stones tours finish.
Either some solo shows, or a bunch of guest appearances at other shows, but he probably misses home and can't be bothered with any more performances - even if he's just getting in his groove.

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"Rip this joint, gonna save your soul..."

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: TheBlockbuster ()
Date: August 13, 2019 02:50

I would say around 1981-1999. He obviously tried to play faster in 1989/1990, sometimes it sounded great but sometimes a bit sloppy. One more sloppy example would be SFTD in Dallas 1989: [www.youtube.com]. The solo goes on for too long with some licks played out of time and missed notes here and there. His style changed back to a more tasteful approach in 1994 with a more careful selection of notes and licks, of course with a few mistakes here and there as always but he didn't overplay the same way as in 89/90.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
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Date: August 13, 2019 03:28


Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: beachbreak ()
Date: August 13, 2019 03:33

The SFTD Dallas 1989 solo was "underwhelming".

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: August 13, 2019 09:40

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audun-eg
I would say his fills and solos on Hold On To Your Hat from Steel Wheels is the flashiest he ever tried to be, and with success that is.

Yeah, the closest the Stones ever got to shredding that one !

On the other side of the coin , someone mentioned the SFD solo from Ya Yas .

That one also highlights another side of Keith's guitar prowess... TONE.

The guitar sound is sublime.

Keith's sound has changed over the years with his taste in amplification...

,...but from the Vox days to his latter day preference for old "Tweeds" ...he has always been a master of finding the right voice for every song.

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Posted by: RobertJohnson ()
Date: August 13, 2019 14:13

In general 69-82. But sometimes there are good performances earlier, e.g. the live performance on SFTD during the Circus 68. Since Brian was out of the game, Keith had to play rhythm and solo - not an easy situation to manage ...

Re: When was Keith most technically proficient on guitar?
Date: August 13, 2019 15:57

How do we define the term "technically" considering the different opinions about
Keith"s "most technically proficient" years? In the traditional sense, just like
Bach is difficult to play on a classical guitar, or Ingwie Malmsteen's almost senseless speed?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-08-13 15:58 by TheflyingDutchman.

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