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keithsman
I've always got the impression Ronnie has been the most replaceable core member of the band, with all due respect and i don't want this to sound like i would prefer another player to Ronnie at this stage, but someone like Waddy Wachtel could replace Ronnie after a weeks rehearsal with the Stones and do a very good job alongside Keith as we have seen with the Winos.
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keithsman
I've always got the impression Ronnie has been the most replaceable core member of the band, with all due respect and i don't want this to sound like i would prefer another player to Ronnie at this stage, but someone like Waddy Wachtel could replace Ronnie after a weeks rehearsal with the Stones and do a very good job alongside Keith as we have seen with the Winos.
musically speaking there a bus loads of guitarists who could outperform Ronnie but since he has become one of the core members replacing him would mean the end of the Stones
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keithsman
I've always got the impression Ronnie has been the most replaceable core member of the band, with all due respect and i don't want this to sound like i would prefer another player to Ronnie at this stage, but someone like Waddy Wachtel could replace Ronnie after a weeks rehearsal with the Stones and do a very good job alongside Keith as we have seen with the Winos.
musically speaking there a bus loads of guitarists who could outperform Ronnie but since he has become one of the core members replacing him would mean the end of the Stones
All of the Stones can be "outperformed" (whatever that means), but it won't sound like The Stones. There is a reason why we love this band...
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Nikkei
To me, Charlie is the most valuable player and always has been. He's the one to dance to. Without the context he provides, what the others do becomes ridiculous
The Stones always have been ridiculous. That's both their weakness and strength.
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keithsman
A myth is that Ronnie helps Keith with his guitar parts, Ronnie doesn't play a single note of Keiths throughout the tour, what Ronnie does do now is play the right amounts of Ronnie parts.
He's interlocking and weaving with Keith, this is what Keith has always wanted from Ronnie, it's nothing new, Ronnie is exactly where he should be on songs like GS and BS etc, if you go back to the mid to late 70's that's how Ronnie played with the Stones, it's taken 30 year's for him to get back to what he is supposed to do, that's why they picked him.
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MonkeyMan2000
Ronnie does sometimes play Keith's parts. In one of the Monkey Man versions from this tour he played the descending intro notes behind Keith and I remember him doubling Keith's parts during the Brown Sugar intro in 2017 and those are just two examples.
That Matt or Chuck are playing guitar parts with their Keyboards is a hoax though, in my opinion (other than supplementary sounds like the acoustic on Satisfaction).
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MonkeyMan2000
Not trying to be a jerk, but listen to Monkey Man from Chicago 2. Where he once played ghostly slide licks during the intro he is now taking over the right rhythm for that descending line. Brown Sugar in Spielberg is another example where he plays Keith's notes to get him back on track. Nothing earth shattering and I'm not trying to take away anything from Keith, he is usually fine once he's on track. But it's nice to see they can rely on each other and Ronnie has shown to be a good guide these last few tours.
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Nikkei
To me, Charlie is the most valuable player and always has been. He's the one to dance to. Without the context he provides, what the others do becomes ridiculous
The Stones always have been ridiculous. That's both their weakness and strength.
Weakness ????????
They were, right from the start, and still are today, the most reliable power boosters in rock 'n' roll. All others follow them at great distance or have dropped of the stage ages ago.
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MonkeyMan2000
Not trying to be a jerk, but listen to Monkey Man from Chicago 2. Where he once played ghostly slide licks during the intro he is now taking over the right rhythm for that descending line. Brown Sugar in Spielberg is another example where he plays Keith's notes to get him back on track. Nothing earth shattering and I'm not trying to take away anything from Keith, he is usually fine once he's on track. But it's nice to see they can rely on each other and Ronnie has shown to be a good guide these last few tours.
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MonkeyMan2000
That Matt or Chuck are playing guitar parts with their Keyboards is a hoax though, in my opinion (other than supplementary sounds like the acoustic on Satisfaction)
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MonkeyMan2000
That Matt or Chuck are playing guitar parts with their Keyboards is a hoax though, in my opinion (other than supplementary sounds like the acoustic on Satisfaction)
Could have fooled me - at Desert Trip wkd. 2, Chuck clearly played the opening riff to Little T&A on keyboard while Keith sort of acted/posed like he was playing it (he might have struck a single chord or played a couple of notes). Had never seen that before, and even wrote about it here. Not sure if you would consider that also a "supplementary sound", but considering it's an iconic opening riff to one of Keith's best known tunes, hard to say it was just supplementary imo.
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MonkeyMan2000
Not trying to be a jerk, but listen to Monkey Man from Chicago 2. Where he once played ghostly slide licks during the intro he is now taking over the right rhythm for that descending line. Brown Sugar in Spielberg is another example where he plays Keith's notes to get him back on track. Nothing earth shattering and I'm not trying to take away anything from Keith, he is usually fine once he's on track. But it's nice to see they can rely on each other and Ronnie has shown to be a good guide these last few tours.
Yeah I see what you mean MonkeyMan , Ronnie is still so sharp and aware and he definitely helps Keith stay on track at times, especially in 2017 , not so much need on this tour I'm pleased to say, Keith seems to be holding up OK, definitely Keith's timing is suspect at times though, and maybe Ronnie helps with that..
I think we are talking a little bit at cross purposses, i was just making the point that Keith still plays 99% of his parts, just hear what happens when Keith stops playing to greet the crowd at any show to see the enormity of Keiths job, when Keith stops playing the music almost stops, Keith's guitar parts are huge throughout most songs played, a big responsibility and we all know what happens when Keith messes up, it's far more noticeable than when Ronnie used to mess up.
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That Matt or Chuck are playing guitar parts with their Keyboards is a hoax though, in my opinion (other than supplementary sounds like the acoustic on Satisfaction)
Could have fooled me - at Desert Trip wkd. 2, Chuck clearly played the opening riff to Little T&A on keyboard while Keith sort of acted/posed like he was playing it (he might have struck a single chord or played a couple of notes). Had never seen that before, and even wrote about it here. Not sure if you would consider that also a "supplementary sound", but considering it's an iconic opening riff to one of Keith's best known tunes, hard to say it was just supplementary imo.